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| delinquentme | anyone know what a "low-z" material is? | 05:47 |
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| delinquentme | kanzure, im about to write an email to andressen horowitz | 08:11 |
| delinquentme | im trying to decide if i should make the email more imressive sounding or cut more shit out | 08:12 |
| foucist | delinquentme: limit emails to 2-3 paragraphs | 08:16 |
| delinquentme | foucist, yeah im keeping it to like 4 sentences | 08:17 |
| delinquentme | id like it to be read in its entirety at first glance | 08:17 |
| kanzure | http://vinay.howtolivewiki.com/blog/other/the-gupta-state-failure-management-archive-a-public-resource-for-hard-times-2636 | 08:31 |
| kanzure | delinquentme: still waiting for your email so that i can get aubrey and the others in on it | 08:32 |
| delinquentme | perfect | 08:33 |
| foucist | de gray? | 08:36 |
| delinquentme | ya | 08:37 |
| delinquentme | hes a good dude | 08:37 |
| foucist | what's the email about | 08:38 |
| kanzure | delinquentme is looking to work somewhere focusing on legit longevity/rejuvenation/life extension projects | 08:41 |
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| delinquentme | OK! | 09:01 |
| delinquentme | im gonna send it to his personal email ... the one you sent me | 09:02 |
| kanzure | what? | 09:04 |
| kanzure | do you want me to review it first? | 09:04 |
| delinquentme | kaeber@u.washington.edu | 09:04 |
| delinquentme | sure! | 09:04 |
| kanzure | yeah i'm not sure you should email that guy, i'm pretty sure i can hook you up with some better projects than that | 09:04 |
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| kanzure | again shoot me the email so i can get aubrey and steve and the others offering advice | 09:04 |
| kanzure | hi ianmathwiz7 | 09:04 |
| delinquentme | http://pastie.org/2334930 | 09:05 |
| kanzure | lol dude they won't read pastie or a pastebin | 09:05 |
| delinquentme | hahah no no i have it as a PDF | 09:05 |
| delinquentme | ill email you that | 09:05 |
| ianmathwiz7 | hey | 09:05 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, I say hit em all | 09:06 |
| delinquentme | i emailed DNA nexus last night and asked if they've got any public intention to study aging | 09:06 |
| delinquentme | so ill see if that gets a response | 09:06 |
| delinquentme | halcyon id LOVE to work with .. so im working on their internship questions as we speak | 09:07 |
| delinquentme | ( I think if i get my foot in the door i could handle the rest ) | 09:07 |
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| kanzure | delinquentme: their internship questions? | 09:15 |
| kanzure | yeah don't do their internship.. that's bogus | 09:15 |
| kanzure | go get an actual position there | 09:15 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, im ok with going in at the humble end | 09:16 |
| delinquentme | and just carve out a niche for what im really good at | 09:16 |
| kanzure | yeah but nobody gets a job by applying lolz | 09:21 |
| kanzure | got your email.. i'll send it up the tubes | 09:21 |
| delinquentme | haha | 09:22 |
| delinquentme | this is true | 09:22 |
| delinquentme | so i shouldnt send it to him? | 09:22 |
| kanzure | delinquentme: eh, i guess.. go ahead | 09:22 |
| kanzure | btw, in your cover letter | 09:23 |
| kanzure | everyone in this community knows peter thiel.. he's not a big deal :P | 09:23 |
| delinquentme | lol whaaat | 09:23 |
| kanzure | oh, also | 09:23 |
| kanzure | please remove your compensation section | 09:23 |
| delinquentme | god yeah id love to be able to claim that | 09:23 |
| kanzure | like, absolutely remove it | 09:23 |
| delinquentme | you dont think thats a good idea? | 09:23 |
| kanzure | no not at all | 09:23 |
| kanzure | it's ok if you want to work for cheap but don't tell them taht | 09:24 |
| kanzure | *that | 09:24 |
| kanzure | jesus | 09:24 |
| kanzure | it shows that you're not valuable | 09:24 |
| delinquentme | good enough | 09:24 |
| kanzure | which isn't the reality. | 09:24 |
| delinquentme | appreciate! | 09:24 |
| delinquentme | ok sweet | 09:25 |
| delinquentme | ima shoot this over to him | 09:25 |
| kanzure | send me back an updated version | 09:25 |
| delinquentme | sure .. i think its safe to assume hes got a doctorate? | 09:26 |
| delinquentme | was going to address it to him | 09:26 |
| delinquentme | yup PHd | 09:27 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, you got it | 09:30 |
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| fenn | mwahaha | 09:40 |
| kanzure | sup fenn | 09:49 |
| kanzure | delinquentme: hah "An error occurred and your email was not sent" give it a few moments | 09:49 |
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| delinquentme | kanzure, thats perfect | 09:50 |
| kanzure | delinquentme: a few of us in here are gonna work on a collaborative web app | 09:51 |
| delinquentme | rails? | 09:51 |
| kanzure | thesnark, ybit, maybe foucist, Nam-Ereh-Won are sorta sitting around | 09:51 |
| kanzure | yeah | 09:51 |
| delinquentme | yes. | 09:51 |
| kanzure | i figure a 1-month project by 4 people could be much better than just 1 person working on a demo thing | 09:51 |
| delinquentme | that is all haha "yes" | 09:51 |
| kanzure | anyway no particular idea has been finalized yet | 09:52 |
| QuantumG | depends on the 1 person or the 4 people | 09:52 |
| kanzure | either an entry to a competition, something that could make money, or something that couldn't make money but would be cool to have on a resume | 09:52 |
| delinquentme | currently my forte is going to be graphics. UI HTML and jquery | 09:52 |
| kanzure | delinquentme: yeah i know you're a good fit for that :) | 09:52 |
| delinquentme | im pretty good w ruby as well ... and still learning my way about the rails framework | 09:53 |
| kanzure | wait you're new to rails? | 09:53 |
| kanzure | i thought you did web dev | 09:53 |
| delinquentme | oh i've done it .. as well as built apps | 09:53 |
| delinquentme | just i feel its not my strongest category | 09:54 |
| delinquentme | but can i work with it? absolutely | 09:54 |
| kanzure | k | 09:54 |
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| delinquentme | ^^^^^ | 09:54 |
| kanzure | hey bdesk | 09:54 |
| kanzure | welcome back | 09:54 |
| bdesk | hi | 09:55 |
| kanzure | delinquentme: so ideas are still open, if there's some itch you've been meaning to scratch.. let's hear it | 09:55 |
| kanzure | i'd like to keep the project under one month in duration | 09:55 |
| kanzure | and, i'd like it to *not* be "free work for some company that needs work done" | 09:56 |
| kanzure | ianmathwiz7: got your email today.. don't forget ##hplusroadmap ;) when talkin' about irc | 09:57 |
| kanzure | but thanks for the shout out. | 09:57 |
| bdesk | didnt this used to be only one # instead of ## | 09:57 |
| klafka | what sort of collaborative web app? | 09:58 |
| klafka | ya | 09:58 |
| bdesk | i tried to join earlier and i just assumed that this channel had somehow disappeared | 09:58 |
| ianmathwiz7 | what email, you mean my discussion post? | 09:58 |
| bdesk | like all the transhumanists and singularitarians had decided to just give up, or that the channel had become too mainstream | 09:59 |
| kanzure | bdesk: yep | 09:59 |
| kanzure | ianmathwiz7: yep | 09:59 |
| ianmathwiz7 | transhumanists giving up? seems unlikely :P | 09:59 |
| delinquentme | ^^^^ | 09:59 |
| klafka | or perhaps they'd already transcended | 09:59 |
| ianmathwiz7 | I was mostly focusing on biohack.me on that post | 09:59 |
| kanzure | klafka: haven't decided yet.. could be something totally random, or something specific to our interests | 09:59 |
| klafka | ah | 09:59 |
| bdesk | it was like i was Left Behind | 09:59 |
| delinquentme | yeah kanzure just let me know what you guys want to do | 10:00 |
| kanzure | klafka: the important thing is that everyone should want to work on it | 10:00 |
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| kanzure | hey gedankenstuecke | 10:00 |
| gedankenstuecke | hi | 10:00 |
| kanzure | what's up? | 10:00 |
| klafka | i have been thinking of making an event promotion website, but i am kinda thinking that social networks are sort of a crowded field | 10:00 |
| kanzure | uh.. yeah | 10:00 |
| klafka | there is no good event promotion website anymore though :( | 10:00 |
| kanzure | eventbrite, badgecardly? | 10:01 |
| delinquentme | out for a bit :D ttyl~ | 10:01 |
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| gedankenstuecke | sunday afternoon, lazy-time with the cats and irc-idling ;) | 10:01 |
| klafka | eventbrite is ok, it's much more of a ticket selling website though really | 10:01 |
| bdesk | that is what your event promotion would turn into anyway | 10:02 |
| kanzure | oh i assumed they sold tickets so that they could collect conference data | 10:02 |
| kanzure | are they just doing tickets? that's lame | 10:02 |
| kanzure | one idea is to brighten up http://diyhpl.us:9000/ | 10:02 |
| kanzure | and turn that into a real "thing" | 10:02 |
| klafka | hey let's go host and organize that jstor torrent | 10:03 |
| klafka | :P | 10:03 |
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| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us:9000/random | 10:03 |
| kanzure | hi evolv | 10:03 |
| evolv | hey | 10:03 |
| evolv | is that where all the cool cats chat? | 10:03 |
| evolv | I wanna be a cool cat | 10:03 |
| bdesk | yes | 10:03 |
| kanzure | we're only cool when you're not here | 10:03 |
| evolv | that's an unfortunate truth | 10:03 |
| kanzure | see /topic for logs | 10:04 |
| bdesk | this is where the young unemployed idealists chat before they get old and take corporate jobs | 10:04 |
| klafka | lol | 10:04 |
| kanzure | yeah i'm kinda surprised about how many of you are unemployed | 10:05 |
| klafka | i'm barely employed | 10:06 |
| klafka | that's almost employed | 10:06 |
| klafka | er unemployed | 10:06 |
| gedankenstuecke | +1 | 10:06 |
| kanzure | http://www.labwear.com/shop/fashion-lab-coats.htm | 10:19 |
| kanzure | wasn't there someone who was selling patches and did mail order lab coats with your patches? | 10:19 |
| kanzure | i.e. the patches were things like the logos for diybio, rails, django, python, rubygems logo, atomic science, other things | 10:20 |
| bdesk | does anyone who does diybio actually wear a labcoat | 10:20 |
| kanzure | i saw lab coats hanging up at genspace | 10:21 |
| bdesk | well maybe for the photo ops | 10:21 |
| bdesk | some probably not only wear lab coats, but wear lab coats all the time. | 10:22 |
| bdesk | like when they are cooking or grocery shopping | 10:23 |
| bdesk | if you guys want to do something that is feasible with current technology and might help advance science, and doesnt involve blatantly doing free work for a corporation, then how about setting up a good free legal academic journal system. | 10:30 |
| kanzure | you mean like "open journal system"? | 10:30 |
| kanzure | http://pkp.sfu.ca/?q=ojs | 10:30 |
| bdesk | yeah i didnt know that was a thing | 10:30 |
| bdesk | but i do know that people have thought about this before. | 10:30 |
| bdesk | kanzure: is that project good? | 10:31 |
| kanzure | a lab protocol sharing site might be interesting.. but it's not like a website is going to solve the real problems in that area | 10:31 |
| bdesk | there was openwetware | 10:31 |
| kanzure | bdesk: i know a few people who have used it.. seemed to work | 10:31 |
| kanzure | i haven't looked at the code | 10:31 |
| kanzure | openwetware is still around, but it's just a wiki | 10:31 |
| bdesk | for the free journal system a single website is certainly not enough. | 10:32 |
| bdesk | there are all the intricacies involving the politics among the editors, reviewers, authors, publishers, etc. | 10:33 |
| kanzure | your options are: | 10:33 |
| kanzure | 1) copy something that already works and make it slightly better | 10:33 |
| kanzure | 2) find something that needs to be built that nobody has thought of yet | 10:33 |
| bdesk | are you talking about the journals or the lab protocols | 10:33 |
| kanzure | 3) create something totally new | 10:33 |
| kanzure | just in general for project chocies | 10:33 |
| kanzure | *choices | 10:33 |
| kanzure | you aren't going to solve any significant lab problem in 1 month as far as i can tell ;) | 10:34 |
| Utopiah | is it listed by order of difficulty? | 10:34 |
| kanzure | everything's way too broken there | 10:34 |
| kanzure | no | 10:34 |
| bdesk | I think that there's a lot of inertia behind the current journal system, but that it is possible that it could be stably replaced by a free system. already peer reviewers do the work for free and authors submit their work without pay. | 10:35 |
| kanzure | a simple/cheesy project might be.. "make a site that reviews android science-related apps, and make a downloadable market app and be that thing in that space" | 10:35 |
| kanzure | bdesk: the real reason that doesn't exist is because nobody is going to submit to your no-name journal | 10:36 |
| bdesk | i agree | 10:36 |
| kanzure | elsevier owns something like 10,000 journals | 10:36 |
| kanzure | the majority of them are 5-10 professors that have known each other for 40+ years | 10:36 |
| bdesk | im not saying that it's simple, just that it could be stable if it could ever become established. | 10:36 |
| kanzure | the problem there isn't making a new system, but rather convincing all of them that something different is better | 10:37 |
| bdesk | kanzure: agreed on all counts, that's where my remark about politics comes from. | 10:37 |
| Utopiah | bdesk: it's long and old but I think well written http://www.arl.org/resources/pubs/mmproceedings/138guedon.shtml | 10:37 |
| kanzure | heh "How Commercial Publishers Managed to Harness the Digital Revolution into a Counterrevolution" | 10:38 |
| klafka | i am still of the opinion that the idea of peer review in its current form needs to be replaced by a more reddit-like organization | 10:41 |
| klafka | \ social network situation | 10:41 |
| kanzure | huh never knew about cnslp | 10:42 |
| bdesk | I think peer review could stay in its current form. It's not like the peer reviewers are being paid right now anyway. Neither are the authors. | 10:42 |
| kanzure | yeah, an experimental peer review site might be fun.. | 10:42 |
| kanzure | where you give the link to the reviewers and they write down everything wrong on the site | 10:42 |
| klafka | well bdesk lets think about what the point of peer review | 10:42 |
| klafka | exactly kanzure | 10:42 |
| kanzure | with an ipad app (web view) and other shit | 10:42 |
| klafka | and you can apply points to the paper | 10:43 |
| kanzure | then you can do a peer reviewing economy.. blah blah blah | 10:43 |
| klafka | _however_ points should not be applied equally | 10:43 |
| bdesk | Im just saying that if you want to change the publishing system then it is possible to make it free without also changing the review system. | 10:43 |
| klafka | i agree | 10:43 |
| klafka | but i kind of want to change both | 10:43 |
| klafka | I think peer review is not the best | 10:43 |
| bdesk | If you want to turn it into reddit at the same time, then this will only be more things to change at once. | 10:43 |
| klafka | faceface and i have talk about this a lot | 10:43 |
| kanzure | nobody would use reddit for peer review | 10:44 |
| klafka | bdesk so your basic idea is that cataclysmic change will never work | 10:44 |
| kanzure | what they will want is a private, locked-down login system, etc. etc. | 10:44 |
| klafka | kanzure i'm not saying use reddit | 10:44 |
| klafka | i'm saying a login system tied to your actual credentials | 10:44 |
| klafka | in some cases anonymity on the web is good | 10:44 |
| klafka | sometimes its not | 10:44 |
| bdesk | I'm saying that changing to a free system is cataclysmic enough, as kanzure has pointed out already. and that redditizing it is unneccesary excess calamity to add to the process. | 10:44 |
| klafka | bdesk it may be the case that you must radicalize past a certain point for people to embark on the process | 10:45 |
| klafka | perhaps it has to be so completely different | 10:45 |
| klafka | no i don't really believe that | 10:45 |
| kanzure | heh "If, through the manipulation of the number of articles in a given database, a publisher manages to affect the rate of use of its own articles, it also stands to reason that this publisher is able to affect the citation rate of its articles." | 10:47 |
| bdesk | I think that the journal system can be replaced by a free system with basically zero difference from the perspective of authors and reviewers. | 10:47 |
| klafka | agreed | 10:48 |
| klafka | i think bdesk that is slowly happening | 10:48 |
| klafka | honestly | 10:48 |
| kanzure | "The European Union has quietly blocked the merging of Reed-Elsevier with Kluwer that had been announced in October 1997, but the Anglo-Dutch giant has recently acquired Academic Press." | 10:48 |
| klafka | we need the death of IEEE and ACM and Jstor and elsevier | 10:48 |
| kanzure | and acs | 10:50 |
| fenn | there will be a private showing of "limitless" at ardent west tomorrow.. anyone in the bay area? | 10:51 |
| bdesk | is that another kurzweil film | 10:51 |
| kanzure | :( i want to go | 10:51 |
| fenn | no | 10:51 |
| kanzure | bdesk: hell no | 10:51 |
| Utopiah | (and that before they die they open all their usage statistics) | 10:51 |
| fenn | it's about some loser who takes drugs | 10:51 |
| fenn | and then he is not a loser anymore :) | 10:52 |
| kanzure | that's pretty much it.. | 10:52 |
| fenn | ok now you dont need to see it | 10:52 |
| fenn | anyone know what the shape in the middle is called? not the icosahedron: http://fennetic.net/irc/icosa_somethingorother.jpg | 10:54 |
| fenn | and inscribed ____ | 10:54 |
| bdesk | does it have 20 sides | 10:55 |
| bdesk | faces | 10:55 |
| kanzure | looks like 12 faces? | 10:55 |
| bdesk | dodecahedron? | 10:55 |
| bdesk | is it regular | 10:55 |
| fenn | so it's a regular dodecahedron | 10:55 |
| bdesk | are its faces pentagons | 10:56 |
| fenn | you can see how close i am by how close the white spots are to the center of the triangles | 10:57 |
| fenn | bdesk yeah | 10:57 |
| fenn | can you not see images? | 10:57 |
| fenn | save our race. know the truth! http://anti-dolphin.org/ | 11:00 |
| fenn | hmm, youtube-dl is busted | 11:02 |
| kanzure | fenn: the real truth http://web.archive.org/web/20020324181447/http://dolphinsex.org/ | 11:02 |
| bdesk | all this time ive been eating non-dolphin-safe tuna because it tastes better, now i know it is also the morally superior choice | 11:02 |
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| fenn | new invention allows humans to live forever!!!!!!!! | 11:06 |
| fenn | "A male dolphin could snap your neck in a accidental thrust, and that would be the end of that relationship. | 11:08 |
| fenn | why the hell am i reading this | 11:08 |
| kanzure | hahahah | 11:08 |
| kanzure | you wanted the truth! it's out there. | 11:08 |
| fenn | i watched enough x-files, thank you | 11:10 |
| kanzure | do you want to join deliquentme, ybit, thesnark and Nam-Ereh-Won on a one-month project? | 11:13 |
| kanzure | the peer review app might work if everyone likes that | 11:13 |
| fenn | no i'm busy | 11:14 |
| kanzure | okie dokie | 11:14 |
| fenn | maybe after burning man | 11:14 |
| fenn | (mid september) | 11:14 |
| kanzure | ooh i'll be back in time for like.. one day of burning man | 11:14 |
| kanzure | oh "sold out" what? | 11:15 |
| kanzure | there's tickets? | 11:15 |
| fenn | pff forget it, you're like 6 months too late | 11:16 |
| fenn | you'd die instantly anyway | 11:16 |
| kanzure | heat? | 11:16 |
| fenn | "what no internet? ah.. ah.. aaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrggghh..." | 11:16 |
| kanzure | i'm not that bad without internet access | 11:17 |
| kanzure | but i would be confused: aren't these the cool people who should be carrying around mesh networks and shit? | 11:17 |
| fenn | no internet, phone, running water, air conditioning, and an infestation of hippies who want to hug you with their sweaty dusty patchouli scented bodies | 11:17 |
| fenn | and yes there are cool people who _should_ be carrying around mesh networks | 11:18 |
| fenn | but last year that didnt work so well for me | 11:18 |
| fenn | i could get like one bar of wifi from my dish pointed across the city, managed to get a dhcp lease and like 1 ping to google | 11:18 |
| kanzure | oh google would be cool. i meant local network anyway. | 11:19 |
| fenn | hm it looks like i managed to send some emails from center camp on 2010-09-02 | 11:21 |
| klafka | i had to sell my tickets | 11:21 |
| klafka | ;( | 11:21 |
| kanzure | here's another idea.. | 11:29 |
| kanzure | crowdsourced "industrial infrastructure" mapping | 11:29 |
| kanzure | with a mobile app to take photos of factories | 11:29 |
| kanzure | then view the entries on a map online or on the phone | 11:29 |
| kanzure | (so photos of factories and other facilities) | 11:29 |
| kanzure | a nootropics site might be fun | 11:30 |
| klafka | so basically organizing iminst and journal info? | 11:31 |
| kanzure | maybe that, or competitions, or data collection, or sales | 11:31 |
| kanzure | dunno. | 11:31 |
| klafka | ah | 11:31 |
| kanzure | mobile silkroad.. hah | 11:33 |
| kanzure | http://ianxz6zefk72ulzz.onion/ etc. etc. | 11:34 |
| fenn | if y'all wanna compile nootropics prices (scrapers would be hot) and present in a clear consistent format, that'd be nice | 11:41 |
| kanzure | what about "complimentary mass spectroscopy and testing" | 11:41 |
| kanzure | eh nevermind that's not gonna happen in a month | 11:41 |
| kanzure | the problem with a shopping aggregator is that it makes me feel grimy/sleezy | 11:42 |
| kanzure | i agree that it would be useful | 11:42 |
| kanzure | fenn: can you link to some sources? | 11:42 |
| kanzure | ebay stores, alibaba users, shady sites? | 11:43 |
| fenn | this is all i got http://fennetic.net/irc/drug_prices | 11:43 |
| fenn | and smart-drugs.net | 11:44 |
| kanzure | smarterdrugs.org is available | 11:44 |
| kanzure | actually, you could probably make an argument that a nootropics site like that should be a subscription service | 11:48 |
| kanzure | "because it's smart to pay for this" | 11:48 |
| kanzure | hah | 11:48 |
| fenn | meh | 11:48 |
| fenn | rather do referral revenue | 11:48 |
| fenn | don't get int he way | 11:49 |
| kanzure | Nam-Ereh-Won: ping | 11:51 |
| Nam-Ereh-Won | pong | 11:53 |
| kanzure | fenn: Nam-Ereh-Won is an old high school friend of mine currently moving into what might be a hosting company job | 11:53 |
| kanzure | prolly what you did for whoever it was | 11:53 |
| fenn | blegh | 11:53 |
| fenn | tell him to ask for more money | 11:54 |
| Nam-Ereh-Won | beats end luser support | 11:54 |
| fenn | oh hi | 11:54 |
| Nam-Ereh-Won | yo | 11:54 |
| kanzure | so i'm trying to convince him to do a project with ybit and thesnark | 11:54 |
| kanzure | possibly this nootropics aggregator shopper thing or the factory mapper | 11:54 |
| * fenn mumbles something about giving away all his ideas | 11:55 | |
| fenn | i'm manfred macx | 11:56 |
| fenn | god what a terrible book | 11:57 |
| kanzure | what about a site to organize http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/longevity/ | 12:01 |
| kanzure | deliquentme might like that | 12:01 |
| kanzure | eightpennies is always complaining that nobody reads enough | 12:01 |
| kanzure | i can't think of anything particularly practical though.. i mean that's more like a blog | 12:02 |
| kanzure | gitduino-for-microfluidics (way easier than writing lolcad.. that's for sure) | 12:03 |
| fenn | a site to organize journalz? | 12:03 |
| fenn | but you're not swedish.. | 12:04 |
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| kanzure | fenn: how about android marketplace for science apps | 12:08 |
| fenn | um, no | 12:09 |
| kanzure | it's a pretty standard model.. the site does a market app, does reviews/aggregation, etc. | 12:09 |
| kanzure | problem is that most science apps seem to be lame so far | 12:09 |
| fenn | who looks at a website for android apps? nobody, that' swho | 12:09 |
| fenn | nobody^2 | 12:09 |
| kanzure | no i'm talking about a market | 12:09 |
| kanzure | it's the same exact model as a debian mirror | 12:10 |
| fenn | so i have to figure out how to install a new market on my phone? not gonna happen | 12:10 |
| kanzure | you click "download" and you're done | 12:10 |
| fenn | well, i dont get it | 12:10 |
| kanzure | the default market app sucks | 12:10 |
| fenn | why not just make some science apps instead? | 12:10 |
| superkuh | Does anyone do anything scientific or engineering related on an android device? | 12:11 |
| fenn | no | 12:11 |
| kanzure | people carry around smartphones into their labs but all the equipment is so old you couldn't interface 'em even if you wanted to | 12:11 |
| kanzure | cowell has been using photography as a way to get people at bosslab to document their work | 12:11 |
| kanzure | photos are posted to a web server | 12:11 |
| fenn | usb to rs232 not good enough? | 12:11 |
| kanzure | and then they are forced/required to tag and comment on what the heck they were doing | 12:11 |
| fenn | ok sure a documentation app | 12:12 |
| fenn | a hackerspace management app | 12:12 |
| kanzure | fenn: well someone on the biologigaragen list was doing a cell counting app.. meh | 12:12 |
| fenn | yes that sounds useful too | 12:12 |
| kanzure | fenn: that's not a "solved" problem even on desktop really | 12:12 |
| fenn | i know, mattyg is working on it | 12:12 |
| fenn | anyway colony counting or bacteria counting is simple | 12:13 |
| kanzure | yup | 12:13 |
| kanzure | oh i wonder if my scraper finished | 12:14 |
| kanzure | for that chemical inventory site | 12:14 |
| kanzure | heh yep | 12:14 |
| kanzure | 1.1 GB | 12:14 |
| kanzure | tarring.. | 12:15 |
| QuantumG | careful, you might get someone saying you're racist for using the word "tar" | 12:16 |
| kanzure | heh professorstacks.. a comedy game where you submit pics of your professor's stacks/piles of papers in their offices | 12:17 |
| kanzure | could be dangerous. | 12:17 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/quartzy/ | 12:18 |
| kanzure | index.txt is 28 MB be careful | 12:18 |
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| kanzure | quartzy_files.tar is 924 MB | 12:18 |
| kanzure | delinquentme: see the backlog for a few ideas of projects.. (1) urban mapping of locations of factories via photo submission and google maps; (2) nootropics shopping aggregator and pricing site; (3) android marketplace for science apps and reviews | 12:19 |
| kanzure | oh and (4) science lab coat embroidery service (i.e. for software logos and other things) | 12:20 |
| delinquentme | oh i thought these were supposed to be directly science / longev related | 12:21 |
| kanzure | they could be | 12:21 |
| delinquentme | should we put everyones resumes up in a single spot? | 12:21 |
| delinquentme | so we know what talent we're working with/ | 12:21 |
| kanzure | yeah | 12:21 |
| kanzure | the people are: delinquentme, ybit, thesnark, possibly foucist, possibly Nam-Ereh-Won | 12:22 |
| kanzure | if you have a 1-month project idea for longevity.. let's ehar it | 12:22 |
| kanzure | hear | 12:22 |
| delinquentme | maria kov mentioned making a map | 12:24 |
| delinquentme | something which would allow people to add their own thoughts on the matter | 12:24 |
| kanzure | eh? | 12:24 |
| kanzure | what would that do? | 12:25 |
| delinquentme | we've got the "whos who of biogerontology" available to us | 12:25 |
| kanzure | yeah i've got that database too.. | 12:25 |
| klafka | heh | 12:25 |
| delinquentme | map >> allow people to contribute thoughts to what they might do with the extra time | 12:26 |
| kanzure | oh this is from forever ago but i suggested it to ybit | 12:26 |
| kanzure | a lab rat adoption service so that experimentalists don't have to sacrifice 'em | 12:26 |
| delinquentme | but really i think id like to address those who already know they'd like to live longer | 12:26 |
| delinquentme | cute | 12:26 |
| kanzure | (so, the website primarily- not the actual service) | 12:26 |
| kanzure | i mean, not the actual rat keeping | 12:27 |
| fenn | they don't have to sacrifice them | 12:27 |
| fenn | also, they're still useful for other purposes | 12:27 |
| delinquentme | but dont these rats also have all kinds of stuff running through them | 12:27 |
| delinquentme | they are after all biomedical expiriments | 12:27 |
| delinquentme | personally id like to say lets hit on the angle list | 12:27 |
| kanzure | delinquentme: the cancerous mice and rats? sure.. | 12:27 |
| kanzure | what? you don't even have a product lolz why would you post to angel list | 12:28 |
| delinquentme | what information can we provide to the VCs on angle list .. which would be of benefit to them | 12:28 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, i mean look at these guys | 12:28 |
| gedankenstuecke | delinquentme: thats the reason why they have to kill lab animals after your experiments in germany afair | 12:28 |
| delinquentme | as customers | 12:28 |
| delinquentme | say "this is the target market .. these are the guys we want to bring benefit to" | 12:28 |
| kanzure | well someone did and that's why they came up with awful ideas like lunchwithme and shit | 12:29 |
| delinquentme | i bet every last one of them are in some way interested in life extension | 12:29 |
| delinquentme | but why would a vc want to commoditize their time | 12:29 |
| delinquentme | thats a shitty idea | 12:29 |
| delinquentme | what do those VCs want | 12:29 |
| kanzure | i wish i had the link.. it's pretty hilarious | 12:29 |
| delinquentme | we could easily make a service that would provide some kind of graphical representation of whats getting talked about in the DIY bio circles | 12:30 |
| kanzure | they want peopel to stop bugging them with bad ideas, they want to make money, they want to negotiate terms that are good for them | 12:30 |
| kanzure | why would they care about that? | 12:30 |
| delinquentme | information | 12:30 |
| kanzure | if they were going to invest in biotech why would they go to the software circles? | 12:31 |
| kanzure | and much less a non-commercial biotech group? | 12:31 |
| delinquentme | what would make the lives of those VC's who are experienced in biology ... to find more bio ventures .. or to better quantify those that are out there | 12:31 |
| kanzure | "don't invest $80 billion in someone with no product" | 12:32 |
| delinquentme | do we have someone proficient in autocad? | 12:32 |
| delinquentme | there is w/o a doubt money to be made in automation in bio | 12:33 |
| kanzure | i've used a lot of cad tools like autocad, solidworks, pro/engineer, catia, alibre, heekscad, brlcad, opencascade, openscad.. | 12:33 |
| delinquentme | sweet | 12:33 |
| kanzure | where do you see that money coming from?? labs are way too cheap | 12:33 |
| fenn | autocad sucks | 12:33 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, the machines out there .. or processes which havnt yet been automated | 12:33 |
| kanzure | that's usually a market problem not an engineering problem | 12:34 |
| kanzure | i.e., the market is so messed up in its structure that they'd rather hire undergrads than buy equipment | 12:34 |
| delinquentme | miniprep >> PCR >> gel electro | 12:34 |
| delinquentme | true but at the same time we could make those grads more productive | 12:35 |
| delinquentme | now i've only been in 1 legit lab.. but from what i was told .. the work is all veryyy linear | 12:35 |
| delinquentme | with lots of waiting time | 12:35 |
| fenn | this is what i'm going to be building soonish | 12:35 |
| kanzure | there's lots of monotonous work, sure | 12:35 |
| fenn | something grad students can afford themselves and tell the PI to fuck off | 12:35 |
| kanzure | and i love me my equipment and robotics and automation | 12:35 |
| kanzure | fenn: ok, that might work | 12:36 |
| fenn | and actually make it "actually open source" | 12:36 |
| delinquentme | thats a cool idea | 12:37 |
| fenn | i havent even told you what i'm doing | 12:37 |
| delinquentme | or even if you made something under the chump change number | 12:37 |
| delinquentme | it'd be like a non issue to purchase | 12:37 |
| fenn | obviously you dont understand lab funding politics | 12:38 |
| delinquentme | fenn dont they have a discretionary budget? | 12:38 |
| delinquentme | like "common change" of like $500 or something | 12:38 |
| fenn | you couldn't buy so much as a pair of gloves if it was perceived as unjustified | 12:38 |
| fenn | it depends on the institution | 12:39 |
| delinquentme | in no way would it be unjustified | 12:39 |
| fenn | i said "perceived as" | 12:39 |
| delinquentme | it just wouldnt have to be run through the purchase channels | 12:39 |
| kanzure | no they run everything through the purchase channels | 12:39 |
| kanzure | in fact they sometimes have required 'vendors' | 12:39 |
| kanzure | (vendors that have made deals with the institution and bought their souls, etc.) | 12:39 |
| kanzure | anyway, getting around that by something that the grad studens would buy is an interesting approach | 12:40 |
| kanzure | *students | 12:41 |
| delinquentme | novel for sure | 12:41 |
| delinquentme | are pipettes easy to build? | 12:41 |
| delinquentme | well the usual better / cheaper deal | 12:41 |
| kanzure | someone posted a spec sheet for pipettes on diybio about 15 months ago | 12:41 |
| kanzure | pipette tips, i mean | 12:42 |
| kanzure | delinquentme: keep thinking about 1-month web/mobile app ideas | 12:43 |
| kanzure | doesn't have to be something that makes money. | 12:43 |
| delinquentme | gilt group for medical equip? | 12:44 |
| delinquentme | doesnt work with the purch structure though | 12:44 |
| delinquentme | yeah ill stash it | 12:44 |
| kanzure | oh there's also my silly password recovery site idea.. the one that automatically switches out your password on 100s of sites | 12:46 |
| Utopiah | (related http://www.leavethenet.com ) | 12:46 |
| kanzure | there's another one.. d-something.me.. i can't remember the url | 12:47 |
| kanzure | but they got monies, some cookie deleter. | 12:47 |
| klafka | could you make pippette tubes with 3d printers? | 12:48 |
| kanzure | not as efficiently as the factories :p | 12:48 |
| kanzure | also i think cathal made a microcentrifuge tube on a makerbot or reprap about two years ago | 12:49 |
| kanzure | not quite a pipette tip | 12:49 |
| klafka | aa | 12:49 |
| klafka | well yeah surprisingly not as efficient as factories :P | 12:49 |
| klafka | probably way more costly too | 12:49 |
| klafka | oh hey you guys would probably know, what's a good place to look for job listings for startups/interesting companies in the bay area? | 12:50 |
| delinquentme | y combinator? | 12:51 |
| delinquentme | erm hacker news i mean | 12:51 |
| klafka | they seem to always have very few postings | 12:51 |
| kanzure | news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2831646 | 12:51 |
| klafka | ooh that's cool | 12:52 |
| klafka | i'm actually applying for one of those jobs there | 12:54 |
| Utopiah | klafka: are there events organized by local incubators? | 12:59 |
| klafka | no | 12:59 |
| klafka | i am remote | 12:59 |
| klafka | i live in rochester ny | 12:59 |
| klafka | i want to move to sf though | 13:00 |
| klafka | or rather, there probably are there | 13:00 |
| kanzure | there are some fun jobs in nyc.. like stackoverflow | 13:00 |
| kanzure | and makerbot industries is hiring some more web dev knowhow | 13:00 |
| klafka | rochester ny is however 6hrs from nyc | 13:01 |
| klafka | i'm trying to find like entry level data mining / "engineer" jobs | 13:02 |
| kanzure | what the heck is "entry level" | 13:02 |
| kanzure | do you have a resume i can look at? | 13:02 |
| klafka | sure | 13:02 |
| klafka | emailed | 13:03 |
| kanzure | nice | 13:04 |
| kanzure | i like the formatting | 13:04 |
| kanzure | it almost hides the fact that you've only worked in labs | 13:05 |
| klafka | yup | 13:05 |
| klafka | that is my problem, there aren't real jobs here | 13:05 |
| kanzure | welp.. you wanna work on the 1-month project with the others in here? | 13:06 |
| klafka | sure | 13:06 |
| kanzure | pile on.. get some interesting non-research-related project on your resume | 13:06 |
| klafka | yeah i'm also working on extending pyMC | 13:06 |
| kanzure | cool. | 13:06 |
| kanzure | have you used scikit.learn? | 13:06 |
| klafka | i want to extend it for various ensemble MCMC methods | 13:06 |
| klafka | hmm no | 13:07 |
| kanzure | take a look at the crazy stuff going on here | 13:07 |
| kanzure | http://scikit-learn.sourceforge.net/stable/ | 13:07 |
| delinquentme | oh kanzure that reminds me | 13:07 |
| klafka | i assume it's built on matplotlib/scipy/numpy | 13:07 |
| delinquentme | another thing i was intersted in | 13:07 |
| kanzure | klafka: actually i don't know, i hope it's on top of scipy :) | 13:07 |
| klafka | hahaha | 13:07 |
| delinquentme | smaller financial planning services ... it would be hella easy to provide montecarlos for them with AWS | 13:07 |
| klafka | interesting kanzure, they don't have a lot of fancy techniques | 13:08 |
| klafka | but very interesting | 13:08 |
| kanzure | there was one that had tooons of crazy algorthims going on | 13:08 |
| kanzure | was it somehow related to nltk? augur might know.. | 13:08 |
| klafka | hmm maybe | 13:09 |
| klafka | is nltk any good? | 13:09 |
| kanzure | i used it a few times.. it did what i needed | 13:09 |
| augur | O_O | 13:09 |
| klafka | i was reading the book that goes with it but i got kind of sick of the book | 13:09 |
| augur | what | 13:09 |
| kanzure | hah there's a book! | 13:09 |
| kanzure | alright well that's.. something i'll have to avoid | 13:09 |
| klafka | http://www.nltk.org/book | 13:09 |
| klafka | it was just too much intro to python and intro to nl | 13:09 |
| klafka | nlp | 13:09 |
| evolv | no wonder why nobody talks in bioinfo anymore | 13:09 |
| klafka | evolv i haven't talked in here or there in awhile | 13:10 |
| klafka | actually | 13:10 |
| augur | i dont know jack about nlp | 13:10 |
| delinquentme | hmmm NLP for ruby >>> http://mendicantbug.com/2009/09/13/nlp-resources-for-ruby/ | 13:10 |
| kanzure | augur: i thought you did linguistic stuff | 13:10 |
| augur | i do. | 13:10 |
| augur | nlp isnt linguistics | 13:11 |
| kanzure | evolv: yeah this is sort of a crazy channel | 13:11 |
| kanzure | evolv: we swing between "a bunch of losers on irc" and "wait you're using how many terajoules" | 13:11 |
| evolv | :D | 13:11 |
| evolv | sweet, I'm down with that | 13:12 |
| kanzure | augur: :( ok | 13:12 |
| augur | NLP is to Linguistics as the design of genome scanners is to biology | 13:12 |
| augur | not even, because genome scanners might be useful for biologists | 13:12 |
| augur | whereas NLP provides nothing for linguists to use | 13:13 |
| delinquentme | linguistics >> input for the NLP | 13:14 |
| augur | delinquentme: not even | 13:14 |
| augur | NLPers basically ignore linguistics | 13:15 |
| delinquentme | no? | 13:15 |
| delinquentme | how? | 13:15 |
| klafka | augur modern nlp seems totally statistical | 13:15 |
| delinquentme | just saying .. bc that doesnt sound to me like its accurate | 13:16 |
| delinquentme | slash "makes sense" | 13:16 |
| augur | klafka: its not, but NLPers wont let you know that | 13:18 |
| augur | delinquentme: it DOESNT make sense but its pretty much true | 13:18 |
| klafka | ? i mean i guess a;ll the NLP is statistical learning/inference, like CRFs for PoS tagging say | 13:18 |
| delinquentme | augur, so you're saying its not based on statistic nor linguistics | 13:18 |
| klafka | er that i've seen | 13:18 |
| delinquentme | whats in the background ? | 13:19 |
| augur | delinquentme: not _entirely_ statistics | 13:19 |
| augur | it makes heavy use of statistics | 13:19 |
| augur | but NLPers will often say its _just_ statistics | 13:19 |
| klafka | so the other part isn't linguistics? | 13:19 |
| augur | which is false | 13:19 |
| augur | klafka: indeed. the other part is whatever state machines/formal grammars work best for the task at hand | 13:19 |
| augur | or if its not a parsing-like task, whatever random idea they have | 13:20 |
| klafka | i see | 13:20 |
| augur | and fair enough, those extra bits often work and lead to interesting new ways of modelling the phenomenon in question | 13:20 |
| augur | or at least of getting better results | 13:20 |
| augur | but they dont take any hints from linguistics | 13:20 |
| augur | and at this stage they probably dont _need_ to | 13:21 |
| klafka | i see | 13:21 |
| klafka | i guess i don't really know enough about linguistics to make intelligent comments about it | 13:21 |
| augur | NLP is like pre-newtonian physics | 13:21 |
| klafka | i'm starting to think that more and more, most fields are like biology | 13:22 |
| klafka | and physics is hte exception | 13:22 |
| augur | the step from aristotle to galileo vs the step from einstein to witten, or something | 13:22 |
| klafka | that most fields are very heterogenous in nature and may not have a 'relatively' simple set of rules to model it | 13:23 |
| klafka | like physics | 13:23 |
| augur | NLP is hacking away at big chunks, low hanging fruit, easy targets | 13:23 |
| klafka | i see | 13:23 |
| augur | and so what theyre doing can indeed make "huge" strides | 13:23 |
| augur | or if you want to compare it to art | 13:24 |
| augur | think of the different between the initial whacks at a piece of marble that cut away big chunks of unnecessary marble | 13:25 |
| augur | vs the latter stages of the sculpture, where you have to be precise, nuanced, and you have to know the shape you're trying to make intimately well | 13:25 |
| augur | beginning sculptors can get you a vague outline of a human | 13:26 |
| augur | but only michelangelo can get you david | 13:26 |
| augur | the statistical methods that NLPers use are the same as in cancer detection systems, for instance | 13:31 |
| augur | not sort of, but literally. | 13:31 |
| klafka | right | 13:31 |
| augur | ive taken NLP courses. unabashedly NLP courses. and half the time, the explanations for the algos used these other tasks as examples | 13:32 |
| augur | which is fine, but it means that what NLP is currently doing is carving out the regularity that isn't really particular to language | 13:32 |
| klafka | eh, it could be that the techniques generalize well | 13:33 |
| klafka | i mean regresion analysis is used for finance and biology | 13:33 |
| klafka | does that mean they are both immature ? | 13:33 |
| augur | yes | 13:33 |
| augur | it means that our understanding of finance and biology is very young | 13:34 |
| augur | finance and biology are clearly different systems obeying different laws in one way or another | 13:34 |
| klafka | eh, in kind but not overall, they (though they may not be ) abstractly be the same | 13:35 |
| klafka | i mean the advantage of modelling is to simplify the reality so that you can do something useful with it | 13:35 |
| augur | it depends on what you mean by abstractly | 13:35 |
| augur | at some level, EVERYTHING is abstractly the same | 13:35 |
| augur | its a matter of approximation | 13:35 |
| klafka | right | 13:36 |
| augur | if you approximate, you can unify a lot of things | 13:36 |
| augur | but approximations are approximations | 13:36 |
| klafka | you seem to believe that the level of utility necessarily goes up as the level of detail does | 13:36 |
| augur | if you want better approximations, you have to specialize | 13:36 |
| augur | oh no this isnt about level of utility | 13:36 |
| klafka | it's just about the accuracy of the model? | 13:36 |
| augur | NLP as it is is incredibly successful at what its intended for | 13:37 |
| augur | but what it's intended for is not understanding how language works | 13:37 |
| klafka | oh | 13:37 |
| klafka | yeah totally | 13:37 |
| klafka | agreed | 13:37 |
| klafka | it's for doing useful things | 13:37 |
| augur | for some definition of useful :) | 13:38 |
| klafka | not that that isn't necessarily useful | 13:38 |
| klafka | but NLP seems muc more utilitarian | 13:38 |
| klafka | particularly w/ the web | 13:38 |
| augur | its very utilitarian in some sense | 13:38 |
| augur | i mean, yeah, a web example is good | 13:39 |
| augur | you have to have the ability to handle noisy, poorly written text from all sorts of people | 13:39 |
| augur | non-native speakers, children, regional variation, etc. | 13:39 |
| klafka | idiots | 13:40 |
| augur | not that this is what most NLPers are aiming for | 13:40 |
| augur | i mean, the big bucks come from crap like sentiment analysis | 13:40 |
| augur | and most sentiment analysis is crap | 13:40 |
| augur | but it sells | 13:40 |
| klafka | interesting | 13:41 |
| augur | sentiment analysis, btw, is stuff like looking at movie reviews and judging whether its a positive or negative review | 13:42 |
| augur | or that sort of thing | 13:42 |
| augur | is this blog post pro- or anti-israel | 13:42 |
| augur | etc | 13:42 |
| augur | these are common themes in the sentiment analysis literature | 13:43 |
| klafka | *nod | 13:43 |
| klafka | i see | 13:43 |
| klafka | why do you think it sucks? | 13:43 |
| klafka | i mean you can view it as just a supervised learning problem | 13:43 |
| klafka | if you have a lot of data | 13:43 |
| klafka | or perhaps an unsupervised learning problem | 13:43 |
| augur | why do i think what sucks | 13:45 |
| klafka | sentiment analysis | 13:45 |
| augur | im not saying sentiment analysis sucks | 13:46 |
| augur | where did you get that impression | 13:46 |
| augur | well ok | 13:46 |
| augur | most sentiment analysis TECHNIQUES are crap | 13:46 |
| augur | yes | 13:46 |
| augur | but thats just because people aren't actually applying real learning techniques to the task | 13:47 |
| augur | most sentiment analysis is just shit like token counting or keyword finding | 13:47 |
| augur | the real sentiment analysis people dont suck, they do proper work | 13:48 |
| augur | theres just a lot of bs | 13:48 |
| klafka | aah i see | 13:50 |
| klafka | gotchya | 13:50 |
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| delinquentme | kanzure, http://www.lifetechnologies.com/content/lifetech/en/home/about-life-technologies/grand-challenges.html?ICID=LTHP-LGC-0611 | 14:21 |
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| kanzure | various "plan b"s for patents http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2855397 | 14:42 |
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| kanzure | http://www.wired.com/culture/culturereviews/magazine/17-07/st_singularity | 15:18 |
| fenn | http://www.cremationsolutions.com/Personal-Cremation-Urns-for-ashes-c109.html | 15:18 |
| kanzure | glad to see tv/vcr repair a part of the singularityu curriculum | 15:19 |
| kanzure | fenn: someone should give one of osama to obama | 15:24 |
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| kanzure | desai shukla? | 16:33 |
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| delinquentme | http://www.lifetechnologies.com/about-life-technologies/grand-challenges/speed.html | 17:05 |
| delinquentme | so this is asking to halve the prep time on a sequence machine | 17:05 |
| delinquentme | is that difficult? | 17:05 |
| kanzure | depends on the machine | 17:06 |
| kanzure | it might be a design flaw | 17:06 |
| delinquentme | PostresQL! | 17:08 |
| delinquentme | http://www.lifetechnologies.com/about-life-technologies/grand-challenges/accuracy.html | 17:08 |
| delinquentme | and this particular one is straightforward programming | 17:09 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, lol what is our institution name? | 17:14 |
| delinquentme | the 4 internets-men? | 17:15 |
| QuantumG | is lolcad dead yet? | 17:17 |
| klafka | why isn't there a grand challenge to make viable cheap dna writing technology | 17:20 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_virtual_communities_with_more_than_100_million_users | 17:25 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: not quite :) | 17:25 |
| kanzure | "As of july 11, 2011, the active QQ users accounts for QQ IM totaled 812.3 million" | 17:25 |
| kanzure | "The number of simultaneous online QQ accounts exceeded 100 million" | 17:26 |
| QuantumG | what's a QQ? | 17:28 |
| klafka | probably something chinese | 17:28 |
| QuantumG | ahh, right | 17:29 |
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| kanzure | hi ferrouswheel | 17:33 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: most popular im program in the world | 17:33 |
| delinquentme | QuantumG, kanzure >> http://xkcd.com/256/ | 17:39 |
| delinquentme | wait thats not the right one! | 17:39 |
| delinquentme | http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/online_communities_2_large.png | 17:41 |
| delinquentme | there we go | 17:41 |
| kanzure | not really accurate | 17:42 |
| kanzure | and that's very old | 17:42 |
| delinquentme | wonk brb | 17:44 |
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| kanzure | my qq id is 2302976763 | 17:49 |
| QuantumG | it's an icq knockoff right? | 17:50 |
| QuantumG | I vaguely remember this | 17:50 |
| kanzure | everything is an icq knockoff | 17:51 |
| kanzure | apparently you have to have an icq id to be big in porn or advertising | 17:51 |
| kanzure | the lower the better.. | 17:51 |
| kanzure | those are the only two industries that still care about icq | 17:51 |
| klafka | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4zw99VsoMA | 17:56 |
| QuantumG | or hacking | 17:56 |
| QuantumG | or credit card fraud | 17:56 |
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| klafka | kanzure i read that on reddit as well | 17:57 |
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| kanzure | QuantumG: nah, credit card fraud has migrated back to irc again | 18:13 |
| kanzure | it's a ciruclar thing | 18:13 |
| QuantumG | well, the brief experiment with carding forums and tutorial archives, etc, did net a large number of convictions. | 18:14 |
| kanzure | hrm | 18:15 |
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| kanzure | heh fossasia is being hosted in ho chi minh city this year | 19:33 |
| ferrouswheel | g'day kanzure | 20:54 |
| kanzure | hi | 20:54 |
| ferrouswheel | my icq was 9311884.... but then it got hacked and the icq website was hopeless to try to fix the issue. | 20:55 |
| ferrouswheel | but at that stage the only contacts I really had on there we're teenage girls I'd never met (I was also a teenager!) | 20:56 |
| kanzure | i have 556283484 and possibly one in the 7000000 range | 20:56 |
| ferrouswheel | Which probably meant half of them were men in their 40s. | 20:56 |
| kanzure | dunno man.. half of the teenaged girls on AIM turned out to be teenaged girls on AIM | 20:56 |
| kanzure | now they are young 20-somethings on AIM :) | 20:57 |
| ferrouswheel | haha | 20:58 |
| kanzure | nice: http://computationaltales.blogspot.com/p/posts-by-topic.html | 21:06 |
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| kanzure | deliquentme: aubrey replied | 21:58 |
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