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| kanzure | ybit: how much work? | 00:04 |
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| kanzure | $2k is an ok amount for filling out a pre-existing template | 00:05 |
| kanzure | but my guess is that you're offering more than that? | 00:06 |
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| Utopiah | for those into scikit-learn and in Germany http://events.ccc.de/camp/2011/wiki/Machine_Learning_Workshop | 01:01 |
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| delinquentme | kanzure, you do know that i've ported crossbow to run via ruby ... thats an option for a service | 06:03 |
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| kanzure | delinquentme: you mean you wrote a wrapper? | 07:45 |
| delinquentme | yeah | 07:46 |
| delinquentme | like i can launch the program from ruby | 07:46 |
| kanzure | i can also launch it from bash... i'm not seeing the point :P | 07:46 |
| kanzure | but ok. | 07:46 |
| delinquentme | i've already started on a devise based login system for it | 07:46 |
| delinquentme | oh no taking it into ruby ... theres no benefit if you're just running the excercises | 07:47 |
| delinquentme | but have you looked at the assembly of the JAR files? | 07:47 |
| kanzure | i think it was some ant or maven build scripts.. | 07:47 |
| delinquentme | the 013 version has that | 07:47 |
| delinquentme | but the code hasnt been released yet | 07:48 |
| delinquentme | so the question is: Would anyone have a use for a " I need this sequence aligned right now" service | 07:49 |
| delinquentme | im not sure if there are companys who have sequence machines and not a solution for alignment ... unless theres a specific reason they'd be over capacity | 07:50 |
| kanzure | quoteth: | 08:01 |
| kanzure | "The one more obstacle is the lack of documentation. When you look at the | 08:01 |
| kanzure | project it's usually hard to say is it open or not, and what do you need | 08:01 |
| kanzure | to build it(time, knowledge, resources). You need to spend time on | 08:01 |
| kanzure | reading long descriptions, forums, comments before you found usefull | 08:01 |
| kanzure | information. There's no any documentation standards. What I'd like to | 08:01 |
| kanzure | see as a "beginner" is the catalog of projects with minimal information: | 08:01 |
| kanzure | wether it's open or not(licences, closed parts or components), time and | 08:01 |
| kanzure | knowledge that i need to build it, components/resources and average | 08:01 |
| kanzure | costs for it, source files(both software and hardware), some description | 08:01 |
| kanzure | and instructions. The type of source files also does matter. I can't say | 08:01 |
| kanzure | that the project is 100% open if its sources(i.e. schematics) are | 08:01 |
| kanzure | distributed in closed format, so it requires program that I need to pay | 08:01 |
| kanzure | for. I realize that not every engineer can or want provide that | 08:01 |
| kanzure | information, but it'd save much time for other users and potential | 08:01 |
| kanzure | developers." | 08:01 |
| kanzure | that was via dmitry.. i pointed him to http://gnusha.org/skdb/ so we'll see what he thinks | 08:01 |
| delinquentme | ? | 08:09 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, thoughts on getting khan to kick out bioinformatics lessons sooner than later ? | 08:12 |
| kanzure | do you need help with bioinformatics? | 08:14 |
| kanzure | nice.. http://coscup.org/2011/en/program/ | 08:17 |
| kanzure | it's in taiwan but i think it's worth going to | 08:17 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, yeah | 08:18 |
| delinquentme | Im gonna write a few tutorials | 08:18 |
| delinquentme | ive got a few ebooks im reading | 08:19 |
| kanzure | then why do you need khan to teach you ? | 08:19 |
| kanzure | i say go ahead and write the tutorials.. | 08:20 |
| delinquentme | yeah | 08:20 |
| delinquentme | thats the plan ... i like the idea of khan bc i know those will be better maintained | 08:20 |
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| kanzure | saurik: what are the actual tools that this is talking about? -- | 09:15 |
| kanzure | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/08/04/secret_iphone_hacking_tool/ | 09:15 |
| kanzure | i don't see any links or names | 09:15 |
| kanzure | it's some gdb-like-tool that was baked into ios 4.x? | 09:15 |
| kanzure | 3D movie glasses to turn it back into 2D http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B004X4L1UC/downandoutint-20 | 09:18 |
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| ybit | It's not from a previous template, but that's not a problem. I think the real time consumer is going to be the screencasts | 10:49 |
| ybit | lesscss.org | 10:54 |
| ybit | woot | 10:54 |
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| kanzure | ybit: you should try compass | 11:03 |
| kanzure | http://compass-style.org/ | 11:03 |
| kanzure | sass is a lil different from less.. | 11:03 |
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| delinquentme | ive used both of these | 11:32 |
| delinquentme | and they are good. | 11:32 |
| delinquentme | ^^^ kanzure | 11:32 |
| delinquentme | haml sass and compass | 11:32 |
| delinquentme | chris eppstein has his shit together and does a hella good job maintaining updates to the codebase | 11:32 |
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| ybit | holy crap, that's a lot to learn | 11:57 |
| ybit | compass + sass + blueprint, this isn't my momma's css | 11:58 |
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| delinquentme | yo kanzure i just had a nuts idea ... Lets say you get a bunch of bioinformatis ( or any topic ) e books >> scrape the KW data >> parse through that data and reference against some corpus for KW correlation | 12:04 |
| delinquentme | instantly you've got a way to create relational teaching material | 12:04 |
| delinquentme | it would require a person to go through and organize the hierarchy | 12:04 |
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| delinquentme | annnnnnddd BAM | 12:07 |
| delinquentme | http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=bioinformatics+corpus | 12:07 |
| delinquentme | corpus | 12:07 |
| Utopiah | Juul: hey since you are at CCC Camp, might want to check http://events.ccc.de/camp/2011/wiki/Machine_Learning_Workshop | 12:07 |
| Juul | Utopiah, :) thanks | 12:07 |
| delinquentme | Utopiah, are you registered for the stanford free Ai class :D | 12:07 |
| delinquentme | ? | 12:07 |
| Utopiah | delinquentme: I think nobody is yet but yes I left my email a week ago or so on the website | 12:08 |
| delinquentme | awesome | 12:09 |
| delinquentme | ill be sure to study in here :D | 12:09 |
| Utopiah | delinquentme: regarding using a graph of topics to study maybe http://www.khanacademy.org/exercisedashboard is a good example, doubt it's easy to generate one automatically though | 12:10 |
| delinquentme | Utopiah, oh yeah khan is awesome | 12:11 |
| delinquentme | what i was on about was: | 12:11 |
| delinquentme | im going through bioinformatics ebooks atm.. and making outlines | 12:11 |
| delinquentme | which could be automated through comparison against a corpus | 12:12 |
| delinquentme | http://www-tsujii.is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp/GENIA/home/wiki.cgi?page=GENIA+Ontology | 12:12 |
| delinquentme | ha! | 12:12 |
| delinquentme | this is how i learn | 12:12 |
| Utopiah | the dashboard is organized by complexity though, which is what I dont see how could be inferred from ebooks, except maybe if they are already categorized by level, age or even better concepts to master before | 12:16 |
| kanzure | ybit: blueprint/sass/less is way easier than fucking with css for 20 bazillion hours | 12:18 |
| kanzure | ybit: if you suck at javascript please look at jquery or coffeescript | 12:18 |
| ybit | i'm fine with js | 12:19 |
| delinquentme | Utopiah, exactly :D .. the comment about the organization of hierarchy | 12:19 |
| ybit | thinking of just going with less | 12:19 |
| ybit | dunno | 12:19 |
| delinquentme | ybit, jquery is awesome | 12:19 |
| ybit | yeah | 12:19 |
| ybit | lots of things are awesome :) | 12:20 |
| delinquentme | its the gateway drug to full blown js | 12:20 |
| delinquentme | hahah | 12:20 |
| delinquentme | TRUE! | 12:20 |
| kanzure | i've been writing a phonegap app generator for the last few days | 12:20 |
| ybit | i've got a huge fscking list on google wave of stuff i would love to throw into a web project, but i don't have time to learn all of them | 12:20 |
| kanzure | it generates a jquery mobile + backbone.js + css3 app for phonegap | 12:20 |
| kanzure | then compiles it for iphone, android, windows, blackberry | 12:21 |
| kanzure | with scaffolds/models/views/controllers | 12:21 |
| ybit | http://dpaste.com/590617/ | 12:21 |
| ybit | that's annoying | 12:21 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, a phonegap app? | 12:21 |
| ybit | cause it works w/out sass | 12:21 |
| ybit | not sure how valid it is, but it works :) | 12:21 |
| kanzure | ybit: use comment blocks | 12:21 |
| kanzure | ===== is invalid css | 12:22 |
| ybit | that's not in the css | 12:22 |
| ybit | that's me just commenting on the pastebin | 12:22 |
| kanzure | there should be a semicolon after font-family: Delicious-BoldItalic | 12:22 |
| kanzure | on line 31 | 12:22 |
| kanzure | delinquentme: no, a phonegap app generator | 12:22 |
| ybit | yup | 12:23 |
| ybit | derp | 12:23 |
| kanzure | delinquentme: think of rails scaffolds except for generating mobile apps | 12:23 |
| delinquentme | ==== << is a conflict annotation | 12:23 |
| ybit | note to self, delivious-heavy looks like shit in ffox | 12:23 |
| delinquentme | ybit, did you run a merge recently? | 12:23 |
| ybit | eh? | 12:24 |
| ybit | where have i heard that from.. | 12:25 |
| ybit | merge | 12:25 |
| ybit | oh durka | 12:25 |
| ybit | no i haven't | 12:25 |
| ybit | i haven't thrown this on any hosting service | 12:25 |
| kanzure | ybit: use google fonts | 12:26 |
| kanzure | or typekit | 12:26 |
| ybit | nope | 12:26 |
| ybit | i refuse | 12:26 |
| kanzure | then steal some shit from pixelunion | 12:26 |
| kanzure | hey if you're gonna mess with the best.. | 12:26 |
| ybit | later i will | 12:26 |
| * ybit sighs, fine | 12:26 | |
| delinquentme | ybit, what u making ? | 12:31 |
| kanzure | jewlery shopping cart | 12:32 |
| ybit | no no | 12:32 |
| ybit | the manager created a new company called diamond relations | 12:33 |
| ybit | they hired someone previously to tweak sugarcrm for the diamond service industry | 12:33 |
| ybit | and they just need someone to create a site that makes them look legit | 12:33 |
| kanzure | i'm looking at http://andrewrussell.net/exen/ .. seems a little ridiculous | 12:35 |
| ybit | i'm looking at the fonts on google.com/webfonts and am crying | 12:35 |
| kanzure | hm? | 12:35 |
| kanzure | you should also look at http://typekit.com/ | 12:35 |
| ybit | $$$ | 12:35 |
| kanzure | do you want my account | 12:36 |
| kanzure | also, just use what other people are using from typekit | 12:36 |
| ybit | i'm going to finish looking at the fonts at google, there's bound to be one similar to the delicious fonts | 12:37 |
| ybit | or not, reached bottom | 12:37 |
| * ybit looks at typekit | 12:37 | |
| kanzure | http://typechart.com/ | 12:38 |
| kanzure | http://fonttester.com/ | 12:39 |
| kanzure | http://fontburner.com/ | 12:39 |
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| delinquentme | ybit, torrent that shit man | 12:48 |
| delinquentme | i downloaded like 30 gigs of fonts before | 12:48 |
| delinquentme | the biggest issue is browsing through all of them | 12:48 |
| ybit | i think the benefit of using google is that you save bandwidth space | 12:48 |
| ybit | ubuntu bold works | 12:48 |
| ybit | s/space// | 12:48 |
| kanzure | delinquentme: write a local html/js app to view them | 13:00 |
| delinquentme | or google "fontbrowser" | 13:01 |
| delinquentme | with a space | 13:01 |
| kanzure | "5000% Increase in the sale of baseball bats on Amazon.co.uk" | 13:06 |
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| delinquentme | yeah saw that.. wtf | 13:12 |
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| delinquentme | kanzure, are you on twatter? | 13:22 |
| kanzure | http://twitter.com/kanzure | 13:23 |
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| delinquentme | whats stopping sequencing technology from getting longer than 500 bp reads? | 15:01 |
| delinquentme | is the shit fragile? | 15:01 |
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| kanzure | fenn: i was assembling some more training material for my vietnam team, | 15:48 |
| kanzure | sometimes i use youtube videos to help explain things | 15:48 |
| kanzure | today i want them to use weinre, a remote debugger for mobile apps | 15:48 |
| kanzure | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nL6xey13fE | 15:48 |
| kanzure | anyway i was looking at this and it was recorded by jonathanstark | 15:48 |
| kanzure | from halcyon molecular | 15:49 |
| ybit | rubyonrailstutorial.org way too slow | 15:54 |
| * ybit prefers guides.rubyonrails.org | 15:54 | |
| kanzure | ybit: use http://ruby.railstutorial.org/ruby-on-rails-tutorial-book | 15:55 |
| kanzure | if you're lame use http://railscasts.com/ | 15:55 |
| kanzure | nice.. https://github.com/blog/904-announcing-github-issues-for-iphone | 16:03 |
| kanzure | too bad it's iphone | 16:03 |
| kanzure | ybit: did my suggestion fix your css error earlier today? | 16:06 |
| ybit | yar | 16:18 |
| ybit | need more power | 16:28 |
| ybit | comp can't handle eclipse + inkscape + chromium + firefox and misc | 16:28 |
| kanzure | that's pretty lame | 16:33 |
| kanzure | why are you using eclipse for anything | 16:33 |
| ybit | google's android sdk stuff | 16:35 |
| kanzure | yeah don't do that | 16:43 |
| kanzure | just use the command line tools | 16:43 |
| jrayhawk | i could troll you by installing and running eclipse directly on my phone | 16:49 |
| kanzure | please don't | 16:49 |
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| ybit | I don't like the clickey as much as the next guy (i'm using awesomewm), but what happens when you add someone who doesn't have familiarity with cli tools, he'll most likely be using eclipse | 16:53 |
| ybit | and i would think that it's good to know how they messed up | 16:53 |
| ybit | that's the rational | 16:53 |
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| ybit | ..the original rational before seeing google's sdk stuff | 16:56 |
| QuantumG | when explaining why Eclipse sucks to people I sometimes feel like Linus | 17:00 |
| QuantumG | *it's too fucking slow*, what don't you understand about that? | 17:00 |
| eudoxia | it crashes my Lisp projects >:c | 17:01 |
| QuantumG | but, to be fair, I haven't looked at it in ages.. it could be good now, who knows | 17:01 |
| eudoxia | lol no | 17:01 |
| ybit | :) | 17:01 |
| kanzure | ybit: tell them to suck your dick | 17:02 |
| kanzure | i have 5-10 people daily using my android projects | 17:02 |
| ybit | damn you button for not showing your other half! | 17:02 |
| kanzure | i do all the work cli | 17:02 |
| kanzure | they use eclipse.. no problems | 17:02 |
| ybit | i love the coloring i'm seeing for my js | 17:03 |
| ybit | http://image.bayimg.com/aajdlaadi.jpg | 17:05 |
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| epitron | ubuntu theme \o/ | 17:36 |
| ybit | :P | 17:37 |
| ybit | don't think that's ubuntu | 17:37 |
| epitron | oh | 17:38 |
| epitron | i thought only ubuntu had that kind of crazy theme | 17:38 |
| ybit | i think it's part of the aptana stuff | 17:39 |
| ybit | is there such thing as a css hell? | 17:39 |
| ybit | i feel like i'm approaching it quickly | 17:39 |
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| * ybit pokes at his css markup | 17:57 | |
| ybit | looks dead | 17:57 |
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| ybit | css is kicking my butt | 18:07 |
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| saurik | kanzure: I think the "tool" they mean is just "a kernel debugging protocol", like some linux compiles have (kdb or whatever) | 19:25 |
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| kanzure | ybit: lemme know when you need help little buddy | 22:27 |
| kanzure | i charge $215/hour but for you.. you're priceless | 22:27 |
| ybit | i'm your little buddy now? | 22:28 |
| ybit | awww, that's cute | 22:28 |
| kanzure | you are like 5 feet shorter than me or something | 22:28 |
| ybit | haha true | 22:28 |
| kanzure | (height is logarithmic) | 22:28 |
| kanzure | what's up? | 22:29 |
| kanzure | this might help: http://csspivot.com/ | 22:29 |
| kanzure | also this, if you want to share the state with me: http://debug.phonegap.com/ | 22:29 |
| ybit | I was just looking at drop shadows | 22:29 |
| kanzure | the full documentation for that is http://phonegap.github.com/weinre/ | 22:29 |
| kanzure | oh i guess you might not be using chrome dev tools or firebug | 22:31 |
| kanzure | you're using one of those right? | 22:31 |
| ybit | oh yeah i'm stacked on both | 22:31 |
| kanzure | weinre is "remote" chrome dev tools | 22:31 |
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| kanzure | " In recent years, they determined there may be at least 1,000each with just a tiny effect on the differences in people's IQ. A study released Tuesday found new evidence that many genes play a role in intelligence, but scientists still couldn't pinpoint the specific genes involved." | 23:05 |
| kanzure | ha, ha | 23:05 |
| kanzure | Genome-wide association studies establish that human intelligence is highly heritable and polygenic | 23:05 |
| kanzure | http://www.nature.com/mp/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/mp201185a.html | 23:06 |
| epitron | heehee | 23:07 |
| epitron | one of the authors is A Pickles | 23:07 |
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| epitron | genome-wide association studies sound pretty great | 23:09 |
| epitron | have they done that for lifespan? | 23:10 |
| epitron | (irc -- lazy man's google) | 23:10 |
| foucist | google me a sandwich | 23:11 |
| foucist | ^ way more original than that xkcd hack who copied the sudo joke from irc anyways! | 23:14 |
| epitron | well, yeah... randall is an irc dude | 23:15 |
| epitron | :) | 23:15 |
| kanzure | epitron: yeah there's tons of those studies | 23:15 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/longevity/ should have some of them | 23:15 |
| kanzure | there's also a few companies and research groups pursuing that | 23:15 |
| kanzure | like acron cell (or whatever the heck it's called now) | 23:15 |
| kanzure | and the los angeles gerontology research group | 23:15 |
| kanzure | or the supercentenarian foundation | 23:16 |
| epitron | which one is associated with the guy who bred fruit flies that could live longer? | 23:16 |
| kanzure | that's michael rose and gregory benford | 23:16 |
| epitron | right | 23:16 |
| kanzure | genescient.. | 23:16 |
| epitron | ah yes | 23:16 |
| kanzure | http://genescient.com/ | 23:16 |
| epitron | ahyes.com | 23:17 |
| kanzure | what is that supposed to be ? | 23:17 |
| kanzure | looks like spam | 23:17 |
| epitron | hahah | 23:17 |
| epitron | i'm glad something exists! | 23:17 |
| epitron | i was just repeating your algorithm | 23:18 |
| epitron | "say something" | 23:18 |
| epitron | http://something.com | 23:18 |
| epitron | "ah yes" | 23:18 |
| epitron | ahyes.com | 23:18 |
| kanzure | that's not an algorithm the links go places | 23:18 |
| kanzure | and they do.. things | 23:18 |
| epitron | well, if you wanna get all deep | 23:18 |
| epitron | btw, if you want to make your dirlistings prettier, i made a php script a while back for that | 23:19 |
| epitron | http://chris.ill-logic.com/files/ | 23:19 |
| epitron | https://github.com/epitron/autoindex | 23:20 |
| kanzure | i prefer default : | 23:21 |
| kanzure | :x | 23:21 |
| epitron | heh | 23:21 |
| epitron | it looks pretty fucked up in opera | 23:21 |
| epitron | i guess it's fine in other browsers | 23:21 |
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| epitron | i stand corrected. | 23:29 |
| kanzure | new henry markram talks | 23:36 |
| kanzure | http://www.kurzweilai.net/henry-markram-simulating-the-brain-next-decisive-years | 23:36 |
| kanzure | "Henry Markram, Ph.D., Director of the Blue Brain Project at École Polytechnique Fédérale de Lausanne, speaks at the International Supercomputing Conference 2011." | 23:36 |
| kanzure | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3W_VwhZKEU | 23:37 |
| kanzure | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrsFb5vG3mQ | 23:37 |
| kanzure | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cn_gEoQ8nQI | 23:37 |
| epitron | ooo | 23:38 |
| epitron | new markram | 23:38 |
| epitron | http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/07/longevity-genetics-study-retracted-from-science/ | 23:45 |
| kanzure | i think i have the pre-retraction version laying around here somewhere | 23:46 |
| epitron | it's on the web | 23:46 |
| kanzure | not if it's "retracted" | 23:46 |
| kanzure | what do you think that is? | 23:46 |
| epitron | i was just posting because it has the same boilig-fluid-of-dots graph | 23:46 |
| epitron | you cannot retract anything from the web | 23:46 |
| epitron | ask sony :) | 23:46 |
| epitron | and DECSS | 23:46 |
| epitron | but, the boiling dot fluid... | 23:47 |
| epitron | what is that? | 23:47 |
| epitron | ah, the Illumina610-Quadv1 chip | 23:48 |
| epitron | that's the same SNP chip they used for the intelligence study | 23:48 |
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