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| JayDugger | Good morning, everyone. | 00:38 |
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| kanzure | hello | 00:40 |
| kanzure | on this edition of extropy-chat, everyone finally bothers to check out marshall brain and manna | 01:01 |
| kanzure | *cough* | 01:01 |
| JayDugger | manna? | 01:12 |
| JayDugger | Never mind, found it. | 01:12 |
| JayDugger | I remember it now. | 01:13 |
| JayDugger | Anything novel about the current discussion, or just the usual suspects repeating their usual opinions? | 01:14 |
| kanzure | the only novelty is that they found it or apparently forgot that they know marshall brain | 01:14 |
| JayDugger | That figures. Anyone complaining about the arbitrary ending? | 01:14 |
| kanzure | no they haven't read it | 01:15 |
| JayDugger | Figures. | 01:15 |
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| kanzure | you guys are boring during the nights | 08:07 |
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| delinquentme | you know whats fucking stupid? | 08:15 |
| delinquentme | hearing your mother discuss right of attorney over a dying grandmother | 08:16 |
| delinquentme | that. | 08:16 |
| kanzure | ah yes because clearly you're a certified attorney | 08:22 |
| delinquentme | not what i meant | 08:23 |
| delinquentme | its just a pain in the ass all around | 08:23 |
| delinquentme | effectively its a convo on " who pulls the plug " | 08:23 |
| kanzure | http://alcor.org/ should pull the plug | 08:24 |
| delinquentme | religion. | 08:25 |
| delinquentme | schmeh | 08:25 |
| delinquentme | they could . and if theres any more humane of an option ... i dont know what it is | 08:26 |
| kanzure | bah being humane.. | 08:32 |
| kanzure | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap1co5ZZHYE#t=265 | 08:32 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, yearly $$$ on alcor? | 08:38 |
| delinquentme | and thoughts on what presentation should be on? | 08:38 |
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| kanzure | delinquentme: all of her assets for life; they put it into a fund and live off a yearly percentage for eternity or whatever | 08:47 |
| kanzure | your presentation should be on your liquid handler | 08:47 |
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| delinquentme | specifially on? :D | 08:58 |
| delinquentme | how long should it last .. how about that | 08:59 |
| kanzure | you should ask them | 09:08 |
| kanzure | they usually decide on that sort of thing | 09:08 |
| uniqanomaly | delinquentme: create a robot to pull the plug and webpage with button | 09:16 |
| uniqanomaly | and live streaming | 09:16 |
| uniqanomaly | "robot" | 09:16 |
| uniqanomaly | simple motor | 09:17 |
| uniqanomaly | but that would totally solve it | 09:17 |
| uniqanomaly | or it's just another mad idea | 09:17 |
| uniqanomaly | better ask lawyer | 09:18 |
| delinquentme | lol | 09:18 |
| uniqanomaly | more so | 09:19 |
| uniqanomaly | you can create live exchange | 09:19 |
| uniqanomaly | *grannie death stock market* | 09:20 |
| uniqanomaly | people betting if pulling the plug will kill her and how long till someone pulls the plug | 09:20 |
| uniqanomaly | and alike | 09:21 |
| uniqanomaly | https://www.starstreet.com/ something like that | 09:21 |
| kanzure | http://www.synbioproject.org/news/project/new_podcast_launched_on_diybio/ | 09:43 |
| kanzure | bleh eri again | 09:43 |
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| kanzure | daniel dennett's mechanical dog http://cyberneticzoo.com/?p=5358 | 10:18 |
| kanzure | robotic | 10:18 |
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| kanzure | hi Tyrant | 10:42 |
| Tyrant | hello kanzure | 10:42 |
| Tyrant | how are you this fine saturday aftermorning | 10:43 |
| kanzure | prepping for vietnam | 10:48 |
| kanzure | gonna come back with pstd it's going to be great | 10:48 |
| kanzure | ptsd | 10:48 |
| Tyrant | why you goin to nam | 10:49 |
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| Tyrant | to sodomize some charlies? | 10:49 |
| kanzure | i have hired programmers | 10:50 |
| kanzure | and have an office over there now | 10:50 |
| Tyrant | oh you'll definitely come back with ptsd | 10:50 |
| Tyrant | what are you working on? | 10:50 |
| kanzure | got too much software to write on my own | 10:51 |
| kanzure | mobile games, web apps, things like that | 10:51 |
| Tyrant | ah | 10:53 |
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| delinquentme | Tyrant, what are you thoughts on the ... linking areas... | 11:42 |
| klafka | hey | 11:42 |
| delinquentme | we talk modular instruments ... what does that connection / joint look like | 11:42 |
| delinquentme | howdy klafka | 11:43 |
| klafka | does anyone know in a class definition can you pass a classes function | 11:43 |
| klafka | e.g. inside a class can you go def foo(self, self.bar): | 11:43 |
| klafka | er | 11:43 |
| klafka | e.g. inside a class can you go def foo(self, x=self.bar): | 11:43 |
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| kanzure | klafka: what? | 12:35 |
| klafka | nvm | 12:35 |
| kanzure | klafka: are you asking if we know that, or how it works? | 12:35 |
| kanzure | ok | 12:35 |
| klafka | this URI encoder/decoder is a pretty comprehensive program | 12:36 |
| klafka | i've just been going through the RFC for the past hour trying to get all the logic of it down | 12:36 |
| kanzure | heh | 12:36 |
| klafka | anyway i can't stand being in panera any longer | 12:38 |
| klafka | it's terrible | 12:38 |
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| Tyrant | delinquentme, thats a relatively simple area | 12:40 |
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| Tyrant | when linking together stuff that uses 96 well plates (or any plates really) then using something like the benchbot makes it easy | 12:41 |
| Tyrant | (and making a benchbot ripoff should be quite simple too) | 12:41 |
| Tyrant | everything else is a matter of piping or moving around single ependorfs for samples | 12:43 |
| delinquentme | Tyrant, so when i was thinking about a hotel or a stack of plates the idea came to mind... 1) simply have a common height where the plate sits .. and a simple clamp mechanism which scoots it to the next area | 12:43 |
| Tyrant | thats how the benchbot works | 12:44 |
| delinquentme | http://www.qdraw.com/conveyors/microplate/ | 12:44 |
| delinquentme | and i really like the design on these | 12:44 |
| Tyrant | ofc, you're obsessed with conveyors :p | 12:45 |
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| Tyrant | I prefer http://www.chem.agilent.com/en-US/Products/Instruments/automation/Pages/AAS_BenchBot.aspx | 12:45 |
| delinquentme | doesnt the conveyor seem cheaper? | 12:51 |
| delinquentme | lol PAUSE. | 12:53 |
| delinquentme | found my new calling | 12:53 |
| jrayhawk | you seem to find a new calling every fifteen minutes | 12:53 |
| delinquentme | I want to mix electronic ambient beats for medical automation companies | 12:53 |
| delinquentme | SPECIFICALLY | 12:53 |
| delinquentme | yea. duh. | 12:53 |
| kanzure | yeah there's tons of videos like that on youtube | 12:53 |
| kanzure | delinquentme: try this, | 12:53 |
| kanzure | http://www.youtube.com/user/kanzure#grid/user/0EB93E6E02E5CF17 | 12:54 |
| delinquentme | "you're really good!" yeah thanks .. my robot was featured in a top 40 song once | 12:54 |
| kanzure | it's just a playlist of ambient beats over machines | 12:54 |
| delinquentme | Tyrant, its very cool .. but how much wasted motion is that? | 12:56 |
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| kanzure | delinquentme: http://www.youtube.com/user/kanzure#p/c/0EB93E6E02E5CF17/26/4e8u6xJLTzE | 13:01 |
| Tyrant | delinquentme: Reducing the amount of wasted motion of the benchbot is a matter of better programming | 13:02 |
| Tyrant | it seems to need to zero itself between every movement which is ridiculous | 13:02 |
| delinquentme | MACHINESSSss they're so beautifullll | 13:03 |
| delinquentme | Tyrant, yeah that is a side effect of that one touch | 13:04 |
| Tyrant | its a bit derpy | 13:04 |
| delinquentme | that arm is a solution for integrating systems which were not designed to work together | 13:04 |
| delinquentme | like its an awesome solution for that | 13:04 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, this channel is better than watching discovery channel | 13:05 |
| Tyrant | your generally not going to get a system of lots of equipment that is designed to work to gether unless one company makes them all (not gona happen) | 13:05 |
| delinquentme | GOD i wonder if the audi R8 stress test is online | 13:05 |
| delinquentme | YESSSSS | 13:08 |
| delinquentme | here it is | 13:08 |
| delinquentme | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Az84LRmYfiY | 13:08 |
| delinquentme | <3 | 13:08 |
| delinquentme | humans, we're fucking AWESOME when we focus huh? | 13:08 |
| delinquentme | Tyrant, yeah see thats the current downfall of my entirely automated lab | 13:08 |
| delinquentme | but with that solution mixer startup you showed yesterday .. step in the right direction | 13:09 |
| Tyrant | meh theres actually quite a bit of lab automation out htere | 13:11 |
| Tyrant | problem: very expensive | 13:11 |
| delinquentme | where does the line get drawn ... as in between what gets the "assembly line treatment" ( probs processes which are low-margin for those mfgs) and which machines are sufficiently complex that we should just throw the agilent arm at it | 13:15 |
| jrayhawk | speaking of sampling machinery for music and audi, the r10 promotional video is also pretty cool | 13:23 |
| jrayhawk | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3704130114630224232 | 13:24 |
| kanzure | not bad | 13:33 |
| Tyrant | delinquentme: depends on what the lab is doing | 13:33 |
| Tyrant | if its an R&D lab, very much the latter | 13:33 |
| Tyrant | if it's a diagnostics lab, assay lab, other bio contracting services, etc. then it needs the assembly line | 13:34 |
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| kanzure | hmm looks like someone on the diybio group has worked here: | 14:37 |
| kanzure | http://www.labotix.com/ | 14:37 |
| delinquentme | dude! | 14:55 |
| delinquentme | how does one decontaminate pipettes for molecular research? | 15:14 |
| delinquentme | autoclave doesnt work... | 15:14 |
| delinquentme | does it? | 15:14 |
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| evolvidle | pipettes or pipette tips? | 16:00 |
| evolvidle | you can wipe pipettes with alcohol | 16:00 |
| evolvidle | as for pipette tips | 16:00 |
| evolvidle | you never reuse pipette tips | 16:00 |
| evolvidle | period | 16:00 |
| delinquentme | evolvidle, so alcohol... removes all objects sufficient as to not contaminate | 16:40 |
| delinquentme | it seems to me that when were talking molecular bio we've got to worry about all kinds of molecular debris | 16:45 |
| evolvidle | the pipette itself doesn't touch the samples | 16:46 |
| evolvidle | just the pipette tips | 16:46 |
| delinquentme | what about fixed tips | 16:47 |
| delinquentme | like those in tecan systems .. how do they clean those | 16:47 |
| evolvidle | I've never used fixed tips | 16:49 |
| evolvidle | even after autoclaving, contamination can still be an issue | 16:49 |
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| Tyrant | delinquentme_, those fixed tip tecans are only for specific purposes, such as chemistry or something and they get removed and auto claved. bio almost exclusively uses disposables | 17:40 |
| delinquentme_ | ahhhh ok good to know | 17:44 |
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| AlonzoTG | My mother died this morning. | 18:06 |
| AlonzoTG | =( | 18:06 |
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| kanzure | AlonzoTG: did you throw her in an ice bath | 18:31 |
| kanzure | might not have been brain death | 18:31 |
| delinquentme_ | =[ | 18:42 |
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| kanzure | fenn: how was meredith's visit? | 20:34 |
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| kanzure | hey so does anyone have.. border passing advice? | 22:07 |
| Tyrant | kanzure: as in physical borders, airport security, etc? | 22:24 |
| kanzure | as in leaving/arriving in the u.s. | 22:25 |
| Tyrant | if you're a US citizen, just need your passport | 22:26 |
| Tyrant | if you have to ask "can i bring this in carry on" you should probably leave it in a checked bag | 22:26 |
| kanzure | no i mean my hard drive contents | 22:27 |
| Tyrant | antistatic bag | 22:27 |
| kanzure | erm | 22:27 |
| kanzure | no i mean like private keys | 22:27 |
| Tyrant | what about them | 22:27 |
| kanzure | have you done this before | 22:27 |
| Tyrant | seeing as im an immigrant, yes i have | 22:28 |
| kanzure | and you let them copy your private keys ? | 22:28 |
| kanzure | or what? | 22:28 |
| Tyrant | no | 22:28 |
| Tyrant | why would you let anyone copy them | 22:29 |
| Tyrant | why would that even come up at an airport | 22:29 |
| kanzure | apparently it's standard procedure to check your hard drives now | 22:29 |
| Tyrant | uhhh no | 22:29 |
| kanzure | http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2008/05/border-search-answers | 22:29 |
| Tyrant | supposedly the TSA can check if you're a suspicious entity | 22:30 |
| Tyrant | but you have no obligatio | 22:30 |
| Tyrant | and in the many times ive flown (including recently), i've never had anyone check | 22:30 |
| kanzure | "suspicious entity" meaning, i make them feel uneasy? | 22:31 |
| kanzure | or "you're on some list"? | 22:31 |
| Tyrant | if you're "on some list" you probably won't fly | 22:31 |
| Tyrant | suspicious meaning you are arab or something | 22:32 |
| kanzure | okay | 22:32 |
| Tyrant | act normal, carry a black passport and you'll be fine | 22:32 |
| kanzure | last time i checked i wasn't arab so that's cool | 22:32 |
| Tyrant | is this your first time flying out of the country? | 22:32 |
| kanzure | yep | 22:32 |
| kanzure | not really sure what the hard drive copying rate is | 22:32 |
| kanzure | 10% chance? | 22:32 |
| kanzure | 1? | 22:32 |
| Tyrant | 0% | 22:33 |
| Tyrant | "practically" 0% | 22:33 |
| Tyrant | like i said, if you're wondering wether you can bring osmething onto carry on, just put it in checked bags and they wont get a reason to search you | 22:34 |
| wrldpc | ^ | 22:37 |
| foucist | Tyrant: they do randomly check checked in baggage | 22:38 |
| wrldpc | They're looking for child pornographers and terrorists. | 22:38 |
| wrldpc | and drug runners. | 22:38 |
| foucist | wrldpc: they do random at the checked baggage level as well | 22:39 |
| foucist | no racial profiling | 22:39 |
| foucist | depends on airport i guess | 22:39 |
| wrldpc | What I'm getting at is even if he does get stopped and searched … even in the worst case scenario whatever they find isn't going to ping their radar. | 22:39 |
| wrldpc | He could have every JSTOR paper. | 22:39 |
| foucist | wrldpc: i'm talking _checked baggage_ specifically | 22:39 |
| foucist | not carry-on | 22:40 |
| wrldpc | Even in that case. | 22:40 |
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| foucist | anecdotal evidence: my friend has had his checked baggage checked 3-4 times (he doesn't lock the bags however), he's flown a shitton though, probably 50 times in the last 2 years | 22:44 |
| foucist | i carry on however | 22:45 |
| foucist | so i dunno how high the rate of checking checked baggage is | 22:45 |
| Tyrant | foucist: i get my checked baggage inspected probably a quarter of the time I fly | 22:47 |
| Tyrant | reason: i usually fly with lots of electronic equipment and stuff that "looks" like bombs | 22:47 |
| Tyrant | if you dont carry anything suspicious your chances of getting inspected are minimal | 22:47 |
| Tyrant | random you can't account for unless you dont fly | 22:48 |
| Tyrant | as for them checking hard drives in checked baggage, i doubt it | 22:48 |
| wrldpc | I've never heard of a case wherein a passenger had their hard drive scanned. | 22:48 |
| wrldpc | Maybe in a couple years. | 22:48 |
| foucist | kanzure: yeah your hdds are safe | 22:49 |
| Tyrant | just do full drive encryption and theres nothing they can do (assuming you chose even a semi secure encryption method) | 22:49 |
| wrldpc | I would think they'd need a warrant for something like that? They can't just open your briefcase and rifle through your papers can they? | 22:49 |
| Tyrant | probably can | 22:49 |
| Tyrant | i just ask that I be present when they inspect my checked baggage | 22:49 |
| wrldpc | If you're really sketched out you might elect to just ship the drives ahead of you. | 22:50 |
| wrldpc | If this was the future I'd suggest stuff it all in a cloud. | 22:50 |
| Tyrant | pfft. it should all be in the cloud anyway | 22:50 |
| wrldpc | ^ | 22:51 |
| foucist | just don't put it on dropbox without pre-encrypting it | 22:51 |
| wrldpc | lulz | 22:51 |
| Tyrant | i prefer ubuntu's cloud thing | 22:52 |
| Tyrant | theres some stuff online on encrypting/decrypting stuff on ubuntu one | 22:52 |
| Tyrant | when you login a script runs and copies the encrypted ubuntu one docs to a set directory unencrypted | 22:53 |
| Tyrant | then you just copy to that directory and rerun the script | 22:53 |
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| epitron | i'd rather self-host my storage thing | 23:59 |
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