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| kanzure | aw fuck | 01:03 |
| kanzure | http://boingboing.net/2011/09/25/747s-as-flying-unix-hosts-scada-in-the-sky.html | 01:03 |
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| fenn | wurrble | 02:53 |
| fenn | i was playing with curved spaces and other hyperbolic games: http://geometrygames.org/ | 02:54 |
| fenn | need to get it to compile on linux so i can hook up joystick support | 02:54 |
| fenn | i'd like to make a virtual reality of some sort based on this code, eventually | 02:56 |
| fenn | low priority atm | 02:56 |
| fenn | it's GPL | 02:56 |
| fenn | Stee|: there have been numerous conversations about modeling the reprap melting/extrusion/solidifcation process but afaik nobody has actually done any modeling | 03:00 |
| fenn | there are a lot of poorly understood processes going on | 03:00 |
| fenn | nophead's been doing a lot of work on the melting part | 03:00 |
| fenn | then you get to deal with non-newtonian fluid flow, shear stress, thermally induced stress, and plain old viscosity | 03:01 |
| fenn | these things tend to make the part come out differently than as designed | 03:01 |
| fenn | but they're all perfectly repeatable | 03:01 |
| fenn | also i havent looked at reprap for 6 months or so | 03:02 |
| fenn | hum, inositol is involved in serotonin activity modulation | 03:11 |
| fenn | wish there was a citation for that | 03:11 |
| fenn | http://inositolpage.blogspot.com/ | 03:13 |
| fenn | is there a psychopharmaceutical simulator? for automatically warning about drug interactions | 03:15 |
| fenn | wow google really needs a "-1" button | 03:25 |
| fenn | The ethanol is separated from the lecithin sludge, after which the ethanol is removed by evaporation to obtain a phosphatidylcholine-enriched lecithin fraction. | 03:30 |
| fenn | sweet, DIY pharmacology | 03:30 |
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| fenn | my typing speed varies from 75 (typespeed) to 150 (gtypist) | 04:25 |
| fenn | i sense a discrepancy | 04:25 |
| fenn | average ~115 on typeracer | 04:25 |
| foucist | gtypist is probably less accurate then! | 04:26 |
| foucist | have you tested your typing speed locally | 04:26 |
| fenn | what do you mean? | 04:26 |
| foucist | compared to via websites | 04:26 |
| fenn | typespeed and gtypist are command line programs | 04:26 |
| foucist | ah | 04:26 |
| fenn | i just think it's odd that there's no de facto standard typing test | 04:27 |
| fenn | and that they can vary by a factor of two | 04:27 |
| fenn | i dont get why this section is here at all http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nootropics#Recreational_drugs | 04:30 |
| foucist | fenn: hmm, it's not written out very well, needs to be fleshed out/re-organized/explained better etc | 04:32 |
| foucist | but it makes sense that a certain subset of nootropics are atually 'recreational drugs' | 04:32 |
| fenn | but not a single one is listed there | 04:33 |
| foucist | damn, that wikipedia entry doesn't mention vitamin C.. or sugar | 04:33 |
| fenn | um. why am i talking to you. | 04:33 |
| foucist | fenn: because i know more about nootropics than you? jk | 04:34 |
| foucist | and anyways, why are you talking to me?! | 04:34 |
| fenn | dunno i have stuff to do | 04:34 |
| foucist | ah | 04:35 |
| fenn | like order some vitamins for example :P | 04:35 |
| foucist | i need to get some EFA & PAGG pronto! | 04:36 |
| foucist | maybe in a year! | 04:36 |
| fenn | " The book includes an interesting story of how Tim came to investigate the benefits of garlic involving a homeless man." | 04:39 |
| fenn | heh i've thought about doing this | 04:39 |
| foucist | :P | 04:42 |
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| fenn | foucist you should like the last section of this article (sugar's effects on willpower) http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/21/magazine/do-you-suffer-from-decision-fatigue.html?_r=3&pagewanted=all | 04:57 |
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| foucist | fenn: nice! | 06:03 |
| foucist | interesting article | 06:03 |
| foucist | hmm | 06:07 |
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| jrayhawk | hahaha they made it through that entire article without mentioning serotonin | 10:48 |
| jrayhawk | quality research | 10:48 |
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| kanzure | http://videos.arte.tv/fr/videos/tracks-4147068.html | 13:37 |
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| kanzure | "french/german tv show about ray kurzweil and biohackers" | 13:38 |
| kanzure | ray doesn't like biohackers.. how did that happen | 13:38 |
| archels | kanzure: Has there been any meaningful discussion here on the neutrino experiment? | 13:41 |
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| kanzure | archels: not in here, no | 14:42 |
| kanzure | but i think i linked to the paper | 14:42 |
| kanzure | and fenn complained about the number of authors on the paper | 14:43 |
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| AlonzoTG | I'm too stupid to really understand physics. | 15:52 |
| AlonzoTG | This neutrino discovery would be majorly revolutionary, so therefore I am waiting for some extremely strong proof that it is true. | 15:52 |
| QuantumG | umm.. you should wait for confirmation of all scientific experiments | 15:58 |
| eudoxia | I want proof that it was an error just to spite the FTL people | 16:02 |
| eudoxia | Jesus so annoying | 16:02 |
| QuantumG | sure.. but what's important is that ALL results require confirmation.. not just the ones you happen to disagree with. | 16:03 |
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| eudoxia | why of course | 16:12 |
| eudoxia | but i hate how everyone thinks "hurp durp we ftl now finally i'll save the galaxy just like cuptain shepurd" over a single experiment after a century of confirmation after confirmation of relativity | 16:12 |
| QuantumG | its the breakthrough mentality | 16:14 |
| Stee| | eudoxia: I'm more interested in the reading I've been doing on Podkletnov/Tajmar/Heim/Poher forces | 16:16 |
| Stee| | not a lot of attention to them, unfortunately | 16:17 |
| Stee| | and there's been a lot of unreproducible results | 16:17 |
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| QuantumG | in regards to the neutrinos, my first thought was "how the hell do you make a radio out of that?" | 16:31 |
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| klafka | hey! | 17:51 |
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| kanzure | hi klafka | 18:14 |
| klafka | what's up kanzure | 18:15 |
| kanzure | working myself to death | 18:23 |
| klafka | fun | 18:28 |
| klafka | on what? | 18:28 |
| klafka | i'm working too | 18:28 |
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| kanzure | jrayhawk: hey bruce has proposed a way to do open hardware licensing: http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing/browse_thread/thread/a449608fc8519b2f?hide_quotes=no#msg_23e85b39c33386d4 | 20:38 |
| kanzure | it seems to be a trademark play.. | 20:39 |
| kanzure | (like OHANDA) | 20:40 |
| jrayhawk | Hrm. Well, I guess that's better for an evangelistic effort. | 20:40 |
| jrayhawk | And trademark law is a lot easier to fight on. | 20:41 |
| kanzure | i would much rather have strict membership requirements | 20:42 |
| kanzure | where you are given a license to use the trademark as a member | 20:43 |
| kanzure | and as a member you vow to respect the requirements (release all dev files) | 20:43 |
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| kanzure | if you break or violate the rules as a member, you are instantly kicked out | 20:43 |
| QuantumG | then you have to make people value the trademark | 20:43 |
| kanzure | 'instantly' is too strong | 20:43 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: it still seems a lot weaker or like the practical benefits aren't quite the same as GPL | 20:45 |
| kanzure | OHANDA is a simple trademarking scheme for open hardware.. so how is this one any better? (besides the fact that i trust bruce to get his act together in some legally sane way) | 20:45 |
| jrayhawk | Well, you're never going to get *all* of the desirable properties of the GPL | 20:45 |
| kanzure | so members of this 'contract co-op' will release their files on the web for viewing | 20:46 |
| kanzure | "derivatives are licensed through so-and-so co-op of which you must become a member to join and make derivatives" | 20:46 |
| kanzure | is that how it would go down? | 20:46 |
| QuantumG | just sounds like proprietary licensing to me | 20:47 |
| kanzure | well so is GPL... you assign your copyright to FSF or whatever | 20:48 |
| kanzure | am i making this up? | 20:51 |
| jrayhawk | The copyright assignment part, mostly, yes. | 20:51 |
| kanzure | i am making it up? | 20:51 |
| kanzure | ok i thought so | 20:51 |
| jrayhawk | The FSF and maaaaaybe Canonical are the only freedom-oriented organizations that require copyright assignment that I can think of off the top of my head. | 20:52 |
| jrayhawk | Most of the rest are just blatant commercial dual-licensors. | 20:53 |
| jrayhawk | Most free software projects do not require copyright assignment. | 20:53 |
| jrayhawk | That said, despite Bruce not having assigned copyright to the FSF, the FSF has still been using his code for their ham-fisted legal activism. | 20:54 |
| kanzure | what about linux | 20:54 |
| kanzure | are all of those devs assigning copyright somewhere? | 20:55 |
| jrayhawk | Nope. | 20:55 |
| kanzure | nice | 20:55 |
| jrayhawk | Large amounts of new code written for Linux are actually BSD-licensed, even. | 20:56 |
| kanzure | i think the problem with OHANDA is that they didn't go the licensing-a-trademark route | 20:57 |
| kanzure | they just did here-is-a-trademark route | 20:57 |
| klafka | jrayhawk: you don't like FSF? | 20:59 |
| jrayhawk | Not most of it, no. | 20:59 |
| klafka | oh woops i was thinking of eff | 20:59 |
| klafka | yeah fsf is definitely more controversial | 21:00 |
| AlonzoTG | oh, are you guys busy talking about [unspecified] again? =P | 21:01 |
| AlonzoTG | I can imagine the three of you meeting off-line, deciding on a topic, then agreeing to finish the conversation in this chat room, typing as much as humanly possible without revealing the context, motivation, or meaning of the conversation. =P | 21:02 |
| jrayhawk | So I guess the trademark thing will help this concept get off the ground, but it makes things conceptually messier if we're aiming for an end-game of destroying the patent system. | 21:03 |
| AlonzoTG | what concept? | 21:03 |
| AlonzoTG | Which trademark? | 21:03 |
| jrayhawk | there is a link at the beginning of this conversation that provides the context for this conversation | 21:03 |
| AlonzoTG | my computer is a bit blinky right now after being on-line for 30 days. | 21:04 |
| AlonzoTG | For one thing, clicking on a link first brings up an error message, then a web browser, and then, finally, libreoffice. | 21:04 |
| AlonzoTG | the last, for no discernable reason at all. | 21:04 |
| jrayhawk | That said, I suspect the world would be more amenable to a pure patent/contract solution after having gotten used to a trademark/license/patent(/still possibly contract?) solution | 21:05 |
| AlonzoTG | I can't imagine how well a vastly accelerated upload's computer could possibly last more than a week or so. | 21:05 |
| kanzure | AlonzoTG: jokes on you for clicking on shit | 21:05 |
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| kanzure | real men don't click links they either type the url from memory or don't | 21:06 |
| kanzure | also, have you considered using wget, curl, links2 or lynx? | 21:06 |
| AlonzoTG | oh, open hardware. | 21:06 |
| AlonzoTG | I tried my hand on that last week. | 21:06 |
| AlonzoTG | I couldn't find an EDA tool capable of finishing my PCB layout the way I needed it... You're welcome to look at my schematics though. | 21:06 |
| jrayhawk | So I guess I'm in support. | 21:06 |
| kanzure | AlonzoTG: how about geda? | 21:07 |
| AlonzoTG | I think I tried that, | 21:07 |
| AlonzoTG | very messy system. | 21:07 |
| AlonzoTG | My computer is a bit blinky right now because I had 3 versions of libpng, and some of my most critical software required a specific version, | 21:08 |
| AlonzoTG | It's in the process of repairing itself. | 21:08 |
| AlonzoTG | Also, my main window manager broke on my right monitor so I'm just using twm over there... It's barely usable. =P | 21:08 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: i don't think you can use trademarks to construct something more valuable than a patent | 21:10 |
| jrayhawk | haha a google search for "Bruce Perense does not speak for me" comes up with perens.com/resources/speaking/ "Inviting Bruce Perens To Speak At Your Conference" | 21:10 |
| kanzure | "his views are expressly his own" | 21:11 |
| jrayhawk | err "Bruce Perens does not speak for me" | 21:12 |
| jrayhawk | I can spell, I swear. | 21:12 |
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| kanzure | oh look he's finally using git | 22:54 |
| kanzure | https://github.com/tpaviot/pythonocc | 22:54 |
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