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| antipragmatist | kanzure are you here ? | 05:08 |
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| antipragmatist | i need your help | 05:08 |
| antipragmatist | i want to plan a hit kill | 05:08 |
| antipragmatist | i am gonna take them down man | 05:09 |
| antipragmatist | each atomic molecule one by one | 05:10 |
| antipragmatist | im gonna control it man | 05:11 |
| antipragmatist | each atom | 05:11 |
| antipragmatist | can you just get me this article http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sugexp=kjrmc&cp=41&gs_id=8&xhr=t&q=A+fully+computer+controlled%2C+low+cost+STM&qe=QSBmdWxseSBjb21wdXRlciBjb250cm9sbGVkLCBsb3cgY29zdCBTVE0&qesig=q4YHi1k8WRc47oWTgg2U9g&pkc=AFgZ2tl0D7DH6cCHFPBYgbgBx5Ht_uxGIVXVeNHwGFBUa-7UqcTo9FVPMAzYuDDZYNIrCOXvh51GYCp-AUQDyydNAh04g9skiA&pf=p&sclient=tablet-gws&tbo=d&site=&source=hp&pbx=1&oq=A+fully+computer+controlled,+low+cost+ | 05:22 |
| antipragmatist | sorry wrong url http://www.springerlink.com/content/j75m270v635v534p/ | 05:22 |
| antipragmatist | niven y do usay that | 05:45 |
| antipragmatist | scared? | 05:45 |
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| JayDugger | Good morning, everyone. | 06:24 |
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| antipragmatist | hey jose what is in the bit bucket | 07:01 |
| antipragmatist | i am into nano tech kanzure is mentoring me so I can do it quickly | 07:02 |
| antipragmatist | and yes, i got the afm doc from him already :-) | 07:03 |
| antipragmatist | are you still here guy? | 07:04 |
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| antipragmatist | i am very happy to be here it is a great place in the usa. | 07:06 |
| JayDugger | Welcome to America! | 07:06 |
| JayDugger | If you become a citizen, I'll send you a complimentary copy of tax preparation software for April 15th, the day federal income tax comes due. :) | 07:07 |
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| JayDugger | I'll also send you a combined thank-you note and congrulatory card. :) | 07:10 |
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| JayDugger | s/congrualtory/congratulatory/ | 07:10 |
| antipragmatist | thank you. i shall do tha -... it i my dream | 07:10 |
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| antipragmatist | i am designing a stm for my nano poject. it will we immensely simplified but i hope to get it working really well with optimiztions in isolation system and added laser interferometry system for better computer control. | 07:14 |
| JayDugger | I don't have any particular technical skills that would help you there, I'm afraid, but I wish you a great deal of success with that project. You will certainly learn a lot from it. | 07:15 |
| antipragmatist | i am unsure as to the benefits of cryogenics thtoughff | 07:15 |
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| fenn | jamie mantzel's house reminds me of burning man | 07:16 |
| antipragmatist | yes, that is very true and i hope to learn as much as i can from the toy. | 07:16 |
| antipragmatist | it will be fun!!! | 07:16 |
| antipragmatist | i want to leRn to control the atom bit by bit | 07:17 |
| antipragmatist | bye bye for now | 07:17 |
| JayDugger | Good-bye, and again--good luck! | 07:17 |
| fenn | fuck logarithmic calendars, i want a hyperbolic calendar | 07:20 |
| fenn | http://fennetic.net/irc/conformal_mapping.png | 07:22 |
| * fenn wonders if he's going to halcyon today to build some crap | 07:35 | |
| fenn | a big styrofoam box for the new TEM | 07:36 |
| fenn | huh. | 07:42 |
| kanzure | hm? | 07:42 |
| fenn | [6~[6~looking at nature.com i see this on the sidebar | 07:42 |
| fenn | Open innovation challenges | 07:42 |
| fenn | Isolating Active Human Endogenous Interleukin-25 | 07:42 |
| fenn | Deadline:Nov 29 2011Reward:$15,000 USD | 07:42 |
| kanzure | "We have received a request from this email address to be subscribed to the Ezproxy list. Generally these requests come from educational institutions. Please explain your interest in this list. Thank you." | 07:42 |
| fenn | I AM THE EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTION | 07:43 |
| kanzure | fenn: you should use deliquentme and do your robots | 07:44 |
| kanzure | roboits | 07:44 |
| kanzure | *robits | 07:44 |
| fenn | $30,000 USDnGiven genetic variables (expression levels for ~7400 genes) and outcome data, deliver an efficient computer program that selects the most powerfully predictive variables, then uses these to accurately predict outcomes. Acceptable solutions must be implemented as an R package | 07:46 |
| fenn | use delinquentme how? | 07:46 |
| kanzure | yeah um i can't imagine less than 500 people are making that R package | 07:46 |
| kanzure | well, he's eager and idealistic and has many of the same goals | 07:47 |
| fenn | innocentive is interesting, i wonder if they actually pay up | 07:49 |
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| kanzure | i've been getting innocentive emails for the past few years | 07:50 |
| kanzure | can't answer that.. | 07:50 |
| kanzure | maybe you should look at tasks on http://scienceexchange.com/ | 07:50 |
| kanzure | are you still looking for things to do | 07:50 |
| * fenn glances over at the ginormous project list | 07:52 | |
| fenn | yeah, of course | 07:52 |
| kanzure | i mean paying things | 07:53 |
| fenn | science exchange looks very institution prejudiced | 07:54 |
| fenn | paying things are good | 07:55 |
| fenn | is anyone working on that nootropics price comparison site idea? | 07:55 |
| kanzure | yep http://www.drugstack.com/ | 07:55 |
| kanzure | klafka and i are brogramming it | 07:55 |
| * fenn winces | 07:56 | |
| kanzure | hey it's not bad for 20min of work you dork | 07:57 |
| fenn | i hate websites like that | 07:57 |
| kanzure | what do you want? octopart.com? | 07:57 |
| fenn | compare http://octopart.com/ | 07:58 |
| fenn | a) no bullshit ecommerce theme | 07:58 |
| kanzure | don't worry about the layout | 07:58 |
| fenn | b) words n stuff that are actually related to what the website is about | 07:58 |
| kanzure | worry about all my scrapers | 07:58 |
| fenn | what scrapers | 07:58 |
| kanzure | scraping various vendor sites | 07:59 |
| kanzure | i've been writing jquery | 07:59 |
| kanzure | stuf | 07:59 |
| fenn | what have you scraped so far? | 07:59 |
| kanzure | nothing :) but this is presumably the actually important part | 07:59 |
| kanzure | not the random-ass landing page | 07:59 |
| fenn | i guess | 07:59 |
| fenn | you can probably hire indians to do the "scraping" | 07:59 |
| kanzure | or you | 07:59 |
| fenn | heh | 07:59 |
| fenn | you can pay per price recorded | 08:00 |
| kanzure | haha no | 08:00 |
| fenn | why not | 08:00 |
| fenn | want to be a wage slavemaster? | 08:00 |
| kanzure | because software can easily scale beyond my entire net worth | 08:01 |
| fenn | you can scale in equity then | 08:01 |
| kanzure | equity doesn't pay your bills | 08:01 |
| fenn | you're right, but if you don't have the cash then what's the point of arguing | 08:01 |
| kanzure | i do have the cash, but not the cash to pay $0.01 per price x 100 million items | 08:02 |
| fenn | hm i hope kent responds before the last bullet train leaves | 08:03 |
| kanzure | o shitz http://mulberry.toura.com/overview/ | 08:05 |
| nuba | kanzure: join #touramulberry on freenode :) | 08:11 |
| kanzure | fenn: so klafka and i are wondering about the nootropics site, | 08:18 |
| kanzure | and there's two sets of scrapers you can imagine; | 08:18 |
| kanzure | one that grabs prices | 08:18 |
| kanzure | and another to seed data about drugs, like from wikipedia or another source | 08:18 |
| kanzure | the second one is a bit curious.. any suggestions? scrape wikipedia Category:Nootropics ? | 08:18 |
| fenn | hum | 08:19 |
| fenn | to get a list of things to scrape for in the first place? | 08:19 |
| kanzure | no | 08:20 |
| kanzure | products have ingredients | 08:20 |
| kanzure | these ingredients are generic chemicals or other substances | 08:20 |
| kanzure | it would be nice to have information about these general things | 08:20 |
| fenn | right | 08:20 |
| fenn | it's hard to summarize a lot of technical information from disparate sources | 08:21 |
| fenn | also wikipedia has a lot of extraneous information | 08:21 |
| kanzure | maybe it should be broken down into: | 08:21 |
| kanzure | 1) getting a list of nootropics to seed the database with (easy, but maybe a manual task) | 08:21 |
| kanzure | 2) a scraper that pulls in data from pubchem, wikipedia, or other structured sources, for that general ingredient | 08:21 |
| fenn | or things like "it's used for trating dementia and alzheimer's" which is totally useless | 08:21 |
| fenn | you could list the links at the bottom, that would be useful | 08:22 |
| fenn | i dont think trying to automatically smush various info sources into something resembling a webpage would be good though | 08:22 |
| kanzure | that's not what i want to do | 08:22 |
| kanzure | pubchem gives xml and chemical structures | 08:22 |
| kanzure | and things | 08:22 |
| fenn | ok | 08:22 |
| kanzure | i think having that info available is important? | 08:23 |
| fenn | not really, but it would be nice eye candy | 08:23 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrafinil | 08:23 |
| kanzure | the shit on the right | 08:23 |
| kanzure | is structured data | 08:23 |
| kanzure | http://www.nlm.nih.gov/cgi/mesh/2009/MB_cgi?term=63547-13-7&rn=1 | 08:23 |
| fenn | i mean who cares about molecular weight of a drug | 08:23 |
| kanzure | http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/summary/summary.cgi?cid=3033226 | 08:23 |
| kanzure | half-life, excretion | 08:23 |
| kanzure | routes | 08:23 |
| kanzure | legal status | 08:23 |
| fenn | bioavailability is an interesting metric | 08:24 |
| fenn | never noticed that before | 08:24 |
| fenn | legal status is also a good one | 08:25 |
| kanzure | yeh i wonder if it changes per wikipedia language | 08:25 |
| strages_ | I <3 you guys | 08:25 |
| strages_ | everytime I come in here, I learn something new | 08:25 |
| fenn | has different country codes, see i.e. modafinil | 08:25 |
| kanzure | hah | 08:26 |
| kanzure | ok so this sort of information seems important to me | 08:26 |
| fenn | cody was saying the way the developed modafinil was like "hey, so antihistamines make you drowsy, what would an anti-antihistamine do?" | 08:27 |
| fenn | yes i now agree wikipedia structured data is important | 08:28 |
| kanzure | so there should probably be user-curated content on each general drug or each product | 08:29 |
| fenn | for a while i've been meaning to print out various chemical structures and put them on my wall | 08:29 |
| kanzure | especially since there's no general way to point to "THIS IS WHERE IT AFFECTS THE BRAINZ" in a diagram or something | 08:29 |
| kanzure | i haven't mapped out all the features yet | 08:31 |
| fenn | lol http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_Gum | 08:31 |
| kanzure | so a user makes a regimen.. and another user can comment on it? or another user can press a copy button and attach it to his account? | 08:31 |
| kanzure | or a regimen is subscribed to? | 08:31 |
| fenn | subscribed to means you watch for changes? or you're "actively doing" that regimen? | 08:32 |
| kanzure | dunno | 08:32 |
| kanzure | fenn: so ai-class turned out to be a publicity stunt for a company, eh? | 08:36 |
| fenn | huh? | 08:36 |
| fenn | why do you say that? | 08:37 |
| kanzure | know labs | 08:37 |
| kanzure | http://knowlabs.com/ | 08:37 |
| fenn | they're the people who take the video and put it online | 08:37 |
| fenn | hardly a publicity stunt to do their job | 08:37 |
| kanzure | hrm | 08:38 |
| fenn | i think it's just one guy | 08:38 |
| fenn | eesh | 08:39 |
| fenn | 7 bed, 7 bath, 5324 sq. ft. house located at 13818 PAGE MILL Rd, Los Altos Hills, CA 94022 sold for $5949900 on May 17, 2010 | 08:39 |
| fenn | is the address of the company | 08:40 |
| kanzure | los altos.. yeah | 08:40 |
| fenn | hm well i'm off to redwood city for better or worse | 08:43 |
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| kanzure | http://www.wikistep.org/bugzilla/ ISO 10303 'official' | 09:19 |
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| antipragmatist | fenn what do you ean bythaat ylu are the educational institution? | 09:45 |
| antipragmatist | fenn what do you mean by, "I AM THE EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTION" ? | 09:48 |
| kanzure | it was a funny remark to the bullshit email i got about ezproxy | 09:49 |
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| antipragmatist | ok :-) i was thin,ing he was a dean or something .... hehehe | 09:50 |
| antipragmatist | i think that molecular assembly is nondetministic because you can not computer outcome only most probable. it is mostly a wait and see situation. | 09:51 |
| antipragmatist | even qed is not definitive andit i feel is closer reality than traditional qm. | 09:52 |
| antipragmatist | feynman w | 09:53 |
| antipragmatist | says that everything is particle and shows how qed, via feynman diagrams, how this is so. | 09:54 |
| antipragmatist | not a qed expert but one would think it would the only tool to create nano. | 09:55 |
| antipragmatist | sadly, bothit and qm can only suggestit is possble a d nothing more. | 09:56 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/nanotech/ have fun.. | 09:57 |
| antipragmatist | thankies | 09:57 |
| antipragmatist | you know i have aall but given up looking for answers i seek regarding nanotech in book or web.... | 09:59 |
| antipragmatist | eachbook or article has only pipe dreams but nothing concrete ... just obscure abstractness and complicated formulas that amount to nothing. | 10:00 |
| antipragmatist | at this point, i truly believe that anything tangibly useful will be completly new and unlike the current state nanotech... a whole new paradigm | 10:04 |
| antipragmatist | my problem is i have no idea yet ... | 10:04 |
| antipragmatist | justlike the scientists doing research ... however do you think i have advantage by not being train think like a "scientist"? | 10:06 |
| kanzure | no | 10:06 |
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| antipragmatist | ok, so i should seek out traditonal learing to? | 10:07 |
| kanzure | yes- read the papers, run the simulations, build a laboratory | 10:07 |
| antipragmatist | ok | 10:08 |
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| antipragmatist | appreciate thehelp | 10:08 |
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| antipragmatist | hi | 15:44 |
| kanzure | hi | 15:44 |
| antipragmatist | AnY diamonoid'ist here | 15:44 |
| antipragmatist | hi kanzure | 15:44 |
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