| --- Log opened Wed Jan 04 00:00:59 2012 | ||
| @kanzure | happy birthday to me | 00:03 |
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| @kanzure | http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3421190 | 00:11 |
| @kanzure | everyone there is complaining about each 20ms of lag | 00:11 |
| @kanzure | but here i am and i can't even get <10ms lag on my keyboard | 00:11 |
| jrayhawk | On... your... keyboard...? | 00:33 |
| @kanzure | ? | 00:33 |
| @kanzure | yes? | 00:33 |
| @kanzure | i suppose comparing input/output isn't fair | 00:34 |
| jrayhawk | I understand their complaints quite well, but I have no idea what you're talking about. | 00:35 |
| @kanzure | i'm just complaining that my keyboard is slow | 00:35 |
| jrayhawk | Oh okay | 00:36 |
| jrayhawk | So, USB defaults to a 125hz polling rate; some peripheral chipsets are clocked high enough to increase that number. | 00:37 |
| jrayhawk | I think most modern gaming keyboards support that. | 00:37 |
| jrayhawk | Obviously this isn't all that useful since most of the user-experienced latency is still in the OS and video pathway, but if you've thoroughly optimized those... | 00:39 |
| jrayhawk | If you're using PS/2 (which is usually the case for laptop keyboards), that number is typically 80hz | 00:41 |
| @kanzure | i really haven't isolated where the latencies are, i'm sure some of it is keyboard geometry, between me and my fingers, stuff like that | 00:42 |
| @kanzure | i've written some code once to track my typing rate, and some combinations i can type in 15-25ms reliably | 00:42 |
| @kanzure | but that's mainly stuff like "is" | 00:42 |
| @kanzure | now excuse me, i have a pokemon rom to read :x | 00:42 |
| @kanzure | http://pkh.me/ROM1.html | 00:43 |
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| jrayhawk | There's also some potential extra latency in your userspace input layers. | 00:46 |
| jrayhawk | Such as if you were going through xinput and/or GTK | 00:47 |
| jrayhawk | or SDL | 00:47 |
| @kanzure | well clearly that means i need linux-kernel-realtime and to keep my keyboard interrupts in kernel space | 00:48 |
| @kanzure | ^or other words that are equally ridiculous to that effect | 00:48 |
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| @kanzure | ok i am back | 07:18 |
| AlonzoTG | ? | 07:24 |
| AlonzoTG | Yeah, | 07:24 |
| AlonzoTG | the unixites insist that the device-as-file interface is sufficient for everything, | 07:24 |
| AlonzoTG | that interractive programs can work just fine by issuing read commands to /dev/tty.... | 07:24 |
| AlonzoTG | Truth is that programs such as X have to circumvent the unix keyboard driver and implement an event-based interface. | 07:25 |
| AlonzoTG | Which creates massive administrative headaches when the user wants to use a Dvorak keyboard mapping in all applications and on the console. | 07:25 |
| AlonzoTG | I don't actually know the details of how this is accomplished, it is poorly documented. =\ | 07:26 |
| AlonzoTG | It also creates a nightmare because a certain developer in the X11 project thought it would be cute to make the keyboard "hot-pluggable" which means it simply fails to work at all without a litany of commands in xorg.conf to disable hot-plugging. =\ | 07:26 |
| @kanzure | saurik: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/131/installs.csv | 07:33 |
| archels | So what happens when you accidently unplug your keyboard, you have to hard-reset your box? | 07:33 |
| @kanzure | saurik: that's android app installs (by the market categorization thingy) as of this morning | 07:33 |
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| Lucas___ | Has anyone here gotten implants yet? | 08:26 |
| @kanzure | yes, there's a few iirc | 08:35 |
| Lucas___ | sweet, what sorts? I am always looking for something new | 08:39 |
| @kanzure | just some lame magnets | 08:44 |
| @kanzure | who was it.. hmm | 08:44 |
| @kanzure | panax? | 08:44 |
| Lucas___ | lame magnets? | 08:44 |
| Lucas___ | do you have a suitable alternative? | 08:45 |
| @kanzure | magnetoproteins? | 08:47 |
| klafka | what did the magnets do? | 08:50 |
| Lucas___ | I actually proposed using electrochemotherapy methods to get that protein into human muscle tissue. People are a lot more comfortable with sticking electronics into their flesh than biochemically altering it :( | 08:50 |
| Lucas___ | if you can find people that would help me with that I would appreciate it | 08:50 |
| @kanzure | gah marketing campaigns. "ITCH or integrating transhumanist cultural hardware" | 08:51 |
| @kanzure | what the heck is cultural hardware? | 08:51 |
| Lucas___ | *shrug* | 08:52 |
| @kanzure | klafka: are you a pokemon master | 08:52 |
| klafka | no :( | 08:55 |
| Lucas___ | kanzure: something you may be interested in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroporation | 08:55 |
| Lucas___ | I am going to have someone build the electrical device I need for the procedure | 08:55 |
| Lucas___ | http://www.jove.com/video/1038/electrochemotherapy-of-tumours | 08:56 |
| @kanzure | klafka: https://bitbucket.org/kanzure/pokered/src/257c1743c396/pokered.asm | 09:00 |
| Lucas___ | kanzure, would you be willing to be one of my test subjects? | 09:09 |
| @kanzure | for electrochemotherapy? can i convine you to build an ultrasound riggup instead | 09:13 |
| Lucas___ | ? | 09:16 |
| Lucas___ | why? | 09:16 |
| Lucas___ | wow, I had no idea there was ultrasound gene delivery | 09:22 |
| @kanzure | no not that | 09:22 |
| @kanzure | transcranial ultrasound for brain stimulation and, at higher power delivery, tumor destruction | 09:22 |
| @kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/ultrasound/ | 09:24 |
| Lucas___ | thank you | 09:25 |
| Lucas___ | hopefully I can convince the engineers to build this as well | 09:25 |
| archels | kanzure, Lucas___ is just going to end up giving himself the cancer. | 09:36 |
| Lucas___ | What alternative do you suggest? | 09:37 |
| Lucas___ | <archels> | 09:37 |
| archels | knowing what you're doing? | 09:38 |
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| Lucas___ | if I knew exactly what would happen I wouldn't do this | 09:41 |
| archels | ah well, I was young once too. But I would suggest focussing on one topic of your interest rather than trying to do it all. | 09:41 |
| Lucas___ | my main interested in genetics | 09:41 |
| Lucas___ | interest is* | 09:41 |
| archels | On a related note, don't underestimate the time and effort involved in trying to accomplish any of this, or anything at all, really. | 09:41 |
| archels | To paraphrase Einstein, science is 10% inspiration and 90% hard work. | 09:42 |
| Lucas___ | thank you | 09:44 |
| Lucas___ | it is not my intention to take unnecessary risks. I'd like to do some tissue culture work first (ideally) | 09:45 |
| archels | What exactly are you trying to achieve? | 09:45 |
| Lucas___ | introduction of a plasmid into eukaryotic cells using electroporation. My idea (with the tissue culture) is to use GFP as a marker to see if the gene got into the tissue | 09:48 |
| Lucas___ | using a viral vector is preferred here, but there is no way that it can be done outside of a lab | 09:49 |
| archels | OK, should be fun! | 09:59 |
| archels | How large is your bank account? ;) | 09:59 |
| Lucas___ | non existant - which is why I am trying to get people to fund me. Right now it is partially working, as there are other projects my group is focusing on | 10:00 |
| @kanzure | Lucas___: i have some funds available for the transcranial ultrasound project | 10:21 |
| @kanzure | right now i have someone fully quoting out the project (i'd rather pay this guy, even though he'd probably do it for free) | 10:22 |
| archels | kanzure: If you don't mind my asking, where do you want to take that project? What is its purpose to you? | 10:23 |
| @kanzure | neural stimulation | 10:24 |
| Lucas___ | I know absolutely nothing about transcranial ultrasound | 10:24 |
| @kanzure | so that means lots of testing | 10:24 |
| @kanzure | Lucas___: read those papers | 10:24 |
| @kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/ultrasound/ | 10:25 |
| archels | aha | 10:25 |
| Lucas___ | I could try to see if it can stimulate musculoskeletal tissue | 10:26 |
| Lucas___ | it might be good for people with accelerated muscle loss due to disease or ... | 10:26 |
| Lucas___ | space travel, maybe | 10:26 |
| @kanzure | um | 10:28 |
| @kanzure | "space travel" shouldn't be the first thought that comes to mind | 10:28 |
| Lucas___ | memory enhancement? reflex enhancement? | 10:31 |
| Lucas___ | what are you shooting for? | 10:31 |
| @kanzure | stimulation | 10:32 |
| @kanzure | i'm sure there's theoretically some regions that you can stimulate for memory enhancement, | 10:33 |
| @kanzure | but i'd be happy with "memory-related stimulation" | 10:33 |
| Lucas___ | fair enough | 10:34 |
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| @kanzure | klafka: did you say badgenation? | 10:46 |
| klafka | hmm? | 10:46 |
| klafka | badgeville | 10:47 |
| @kanzure | oh, weird | 10:47 |
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| @kanzure | klafka: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0As_7Yc_iucRqdFd0eVJ1aU1KVkdualJUOXJERnczYVE&hl=en_US#gid=0 | 10:47 |
| @kanzure | this is for "badgenation" | 10:47 |
| @kanzure | not badgeville. | 10:47 |
| @kanzure | 10:46 < blackwhite> kanzure you will use it once you realize that you can achieve multi like, ultra like, mega like and godlike | 10:50 |
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| Utopiah | Singularity Hub article on robotics apps mentionned by @AUVSI | 13:57 |
| @kanzure | spaes: hi. | 13:58 |
| spaes | kanzure: hey, i saw your comment about this chan on diybio (why i did the whois) | 13:59 |
| @kanzure | neato, welcome | 13:59 |
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| Mokbortolan_1 | http://www.brainsignals.de/users/cristian.grozea/articles/bristle_sensors_JNE2011_preprint.pdf | 14:10 |
| @kanzure | http://resilientvillage.blogspot.com/2012/01/diy-insulin-biohacking-anyone.html | 14:29 |
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| Mariu | Cristian Grozea ? | 14:36 |
| Mariu | it's interesting because the name is familiar in a way | 14:37 |
| @kanzure | hrm why is the fbi sponsoring backyard brains | 14:45 |
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| jrayhawk | AlonzoTG: curl http://www.strout.net/info/dvorak/dvorak.pke | xmodmap - | 16:56 |
| jrayhawk | loadkeys dvorak | 16:57 |
| jrayhawk | That should cover X and the console. | 16:57 |
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| jrayhawk | Mind you there are advantages to xkb approach modern toolchains use, such as being able to use different mappings for different simultaneous keyboards. | 16:58 |
| jrayhawk | s/to xkb/to the xkb/ | 16:59 |
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| foucist | kanzure: shit.. have you seen dot.js? ridiculously fast. http://jsperf.com/dom-vs-innerhtml-based-templating/306 | 17:53 |
| foucist | dot.js + phonegap? ;) | 17:54 |
| foucist | er there's some mobile here: http://jsperf.com/dom-vs-innerhtml-based-templating/305 | 17:55 |
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| foucist | it's basicaly 40x faster than jquery templates hmm, 15x faster than underscore | 17:58 |
| foucist | (obviously it's just 1 specific thing being tested here) | 18:01 |
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| @kanzure | foucist: nope, haven't used dot yet | 18:19 |
| @kanzure | "Ideally, I want a communications platform where only my 200 or so friends, co-workers and friends of friends can message me for free. Anybody else who wants to contact me has to send the message with a $1 bitcoin (interrupting my stream of conciousness price would be custom set by me, so lil' wayne would probably set his price at $75)." | 18:27 |
| @kanzure | "If the message from a stranger I got was in fact a cool dude I met at a party last weekend following up on that cat picture, then I'd click "reply and return" to give him back that bitcoin. If I see that the message is from a prince, I'd just ignore it and go buy some gum or something with his precious $1." | 18:27 |
| @kanzure | hrm | 18:27 |
| @kanzure | it'd be nice to have a sushi rolling machine | 18:33 |
| @kanzure | http://www.tanfar.net/ | 18:41 |
| @kanzure | there we go. | 18:41 |
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