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| strangewarp | 2059: Gradual-brain-replacement uploading is ironically marketed as an ethical weight-loss solution. Illegal in those checkered portions of the USA, UCSA, EU, and Greater Israel/Iran Co-Prosperity Sphere still under government control | 02:08 |
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| @kanzure | lego calculations http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3438725 | 02:25 |
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| Urchin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qVMdvsvXuk <- this is interesting | 09:17 |
| @kanzure | yawn | 10:17 |
| @kanzure | klafka: how goes backbone | 10:17 |
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| Mariu | hello everyone | 12:20 |
| Mariu | thanks for the link, Urchin | 12:20 |
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| Urchin | spread it around | 12:29 |
| Urchin | it's a good update to his old TED talk | 12:30 |
| @kanzure | Urchin: what is that link? | 12:31 |
| @kanzure | youtube links aren't particularly descriptive | 12:31 |
| Urchin | it's the new de Grey's talk from TEDxOxford | 12:45 |
| Mariu | ^ | 12:47 |
| Mariu | it's only 18 minutes though :( | 12:47 |
| Urchin | it's a TED talk, what do you expect? | 12:49 |
| Mariu | good point | 12:50 |
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| Spakz | Hello | 13:35 |
| ybit | hi Spakz | 13:37 |
| Spakz | How's it going? | 13:37 |
| ybit | just woke up, so slowly | 13:37 |
| ybit | how about yourself? | 13:37 |
| Spakz | Not too bad, thanks. Trying to work my way through an essay at the moment | 13:37 |
| Spakz | So, what kinds of things get discussed here? | 13:48 |
| ybit | everything mentioned in the topic including pokemon | 13:51 |
| Spakz | Haha nice. I'll have to look through those links | 13:51 |
| * ybit fetches a burrito | 13:52 | |
| -!- kanzure changed the topic of ##hplusroadmap to: biohacking, nootropics, transhumanism, open hardware http://gnusha.org/logs/ http://bit.ly/diybionews2 http://gadaprize.org/ http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing | 13:52 | |
| Spakz | So, has anyone here been working on any projects? | 13:56 |
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| ybit | project: fetch a burrito is finally over | 14:08 |
| ybit | so i guess i'll continue on building an extension for KDE's krunner | 14:08 |
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| ybit | Spakz: what about yourself | 14:09 |
| Spakz | Unfortunately, nothing at the moment. I've been struggling to work my way into biology and biological work | 14:11 |
| ybit | Spakz: what about yourself | 14:11 |
| ybit | oh sorry | 14:12 |
| Spakz | No worries | 14:12 |
| ybit | was trying to restart mplayer :) | 14:12 |
| Spakz | Haha gotcha | 14:12 |
| ybit | watching how to train a dragon in spanish while eat my burrito | 14:12 |
| Spakz | Do you speak Spanish? | 14:14 |
| ybit | sí, pero, hablo muy poquito desde vivo en eeuu | 14:17 |
| ybit | yes, but i speak little since i live in the states | 14:17 |
| ybit | in florence, alabama to be precise | 14:17 |
| ybit | Spakz: would you be interested in an h+ bootcamp? | 14:18 |
| Spakz | Absolutely | 14:18 |
| Spakz | And I speak a little bit of Spanish myself | 14:19 |
| ybit | 16:12 <@kanzure> instead of lectures, you learn actual skills like tissue cultures, programming, rocketry, machining, asskicking | 14:19 |
| ybit | bueno, donde estas? | 14:19 |
| Spakz | En eeuu también, pero no estoy en Alabama sino Massachusetts | 14:20 |
| ybit | un estado mucho mejor que alabama :) | 14:21 |
| ybit | tenemos huntsville, eso es todo | 14:21 |
| Spakz | Te molesta Alabama? | 14:22 |
| ybit | y birmingham, supungo | 14:22 |
| ybit | supongo* | 14:22 |
| ybit | it's alright, really, it's just not somewhere i plan on living for the rest of my life | 14:23 |
| Spakz | Ah, I see. Fair enough. I enjoy Massachusetts :> | 14:23 |
| ybit | think the southeasst linux fest might be going on in birmingham this year, and we had the international space development conf in hsv this year | 14:24 |
| Spakz | That's awesome | 14:25 |
| ybit | unfortunately i know all the conferences that are going on this year :P | 14:25 |
| ybit | in the sate | 14:26 |
| Spakz | Things are always pretty active around Cambridge, so there's usually someplace intersting to be | 14:26 |
| ybit | Spakz: so, what part of ma? | 14:26 |
| ybit | yeah | 14:26 |
| Spakz | I'm a couple due miles West of Boton. Pretty squarely in suburbia | 14:27 |
| Spakz | couple miles due west* | 14:27 |
| Spakz | Boston* | 14:27 |
| Spakz | Meh, typing : P | 14:27 |
| ybit | yeah, i had never heard of boton ;) | 14:28 |
| ybit | boton, ma sounded like it would just as fun as boston though | 14:28 |
| ybit | you've got the diybio group there | 14:28 |
| ybit | a friend of mine started the bu hackerspace there, builds | 14:29 |
| Spakz | Nice! | 14:29 |
| * ybit isn't sure if there's a techshop there | 14:29 | |
| ybit | but you have the public nights for the mit fablab | 14:29 |
| ybit | you also have tons of interest groups meeting up all the time | 14:30 |
| Spakz | I'm going to be talking with someone who works at a bioinformatics company soon. It's possible I'll be landing an internship there | 14:30 |
| ybit | e.g. the haskell group | 14:31 |
| Spakz | I'm more of a perl man myself | 14:31 |
| ybit | i guess diybio would be considered an interest group :) | 14:31 |
| Spakz | Haha something like that | 14:32 |
| ybit | i really can't say much about perl outside of "go parrot!" | 14:33 |
| Spakz | hahaha | 14:33 |
| Spakz | I'm going to have to see about becoming more active with the bio community | 14:34 |
| ybit | we have a functional programming interest group that meets once a month here, but it's mostly to do with languages built on top of jvm | 14:35 |
| Spakz | Ah, I gotcha | 14:35 |
| ybit | i did some diybio meetings here before i went back to school | 14:35 |
| Spakz | I've been trying to find any sort of projects I can work on by myself. It's been a bit tricky | 14:36 |
| ybit | i completely understand | 14:36 |
| ybit | you should see the chart i created last year while tackling this issue | 14:37 |
| Spakz | Link? | 14:38 |
| ybit | you can make a webcam microscope easily, just invert the lens on a $5 webcam | 14:38 |
| ybit | it's sitting beside me in a drawer | 14:38 |
| ybit | we were able to get something like 50x45micron fov | 14:38 |
| Spakz | Wow | 14:39 |
| Spakz | That's really good | 14:39 |
| ybit | yeah | 14:39 |
| ybit | i was impressed, still am | 14:39 |
| Spakz | I wouldn't have guessed | 14:39 |
| Spakz | At all | 14:39 |
| ybit | ignore the bad video editing: http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2010/05/observing-the-microscopic-world-usi.html | 14:39 |
| ybit | here's the webcam that was used: http://amzn.com/B0015TJNEY | 14:40 |
| Spakz | Checking out the links now | 14:41 |
| ybit | the other people in here are much smarter and more productive than me, btw | 14:44 |
| Spakz | I'll take knowledge from wherever I can get it | 14:45 |
| ybit | if you don't like the word intelligence, just replace smarts with experience | 14:45 |
| ybit | but i think they're smarter :) | 14:46 |
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| Spakz1 | I think I just got disconnected | 14:46 |
| ybit | the two people who started this channel in 2008 were fenn and kanzure | 14:46 |
| ybit | oh | 14:46 |
| Spakz1 | Ok, back now | 14:47 |
| Spakz1 | So, what have you used your microscope for? | 14:47 |
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| ybit | hrm, sorry, something's going wrong with my older sprunge bash function | 14:49 |
| ybit | http://pastie.org/3151182 | 14:49 |
| ybit | fenn's site is fennetic.net and kanzure's is heybryan.org | 14:50 |
| Spakz1 | Gah, I'm not sure why my computer is upset at the moment | 14:50 |
| Spakz1 | Ah, cool | 14:50 |
| ybit | it's tripping on perls probably | 14:50 |
| Spakz1 | haha ouch | 14:50 |
| ybit | i never quite finished the microscope | 14:51 |
| ybit | i would like to go the same route hackteria did | 14:51 |
| Spakz1 | Which route is that? | 14:52 |
| ybit | they built their own mount and whatnot | 14:53 |
| Spakz1 | Ah, cool | 14:53 |
| Spakz1 | I was going to ask how you mounted it haha | 14:53 |
| ybit | and they used an arduino to control where the lens was capturing | 14:53 |
| ybit | that's what i think would be the practical next step, automated tracking | 14:54 |
| ybit | i used an old microscope from the uni a bio teacher gave me | 14:54 |
| ybit | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MS2KYxQbfg was before that | 14:55 |
| Spakz1 | Luckily, I have access to a lot of the microscopes at my school | 14:55 |
| Spakz1 | And I have a teacher who's offered to let me use some lab space | 14:55 |
| ybit | very nice | 14:55 |
| ybit | you can do this for cheap | 14:55 |
| ybit | you can also get into microfluidics cheaply | 14:56 |
| ybit | have you seen whitesides' paper microfluidics? | 14:56 |
| Spakz1 | Not yet | 14:56 |
| Spakz1 | I'm pretty new to most diybio stuff | 14:56 |
| ybit | a lot of this stuff has been discussed previously, definitely search the logs, you'll find a lot of gems | 14:56 |
| Spakz1 | I will do just that | 14:57 |
| Spakz1 | Do you have any ideas of where I could look for inspiration for a project? | 14:57 |
| ybit | the logs | 14:58 |
| ybit | search for "projects" or "fruit" | 14:58 |
| Spakz1 | Okie dokie | 14:58 |
| Spakz1 | Brb, heading to dinner | 14:58 |
| Spakz1 | Thanks for all your help so far! | 14:58 |
| ybit | https://github.com/kanzure/skdb/blob/master/doc/proposals/trans-tech.yaml | 14:59 |
| ybit | quick google search ^ | 14:59 |
| ybit | you can skip the search for 'fruit' now | 15:00 |
| Spakz1 | Actually, nvm, back | 15:04 |
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| Spakz1 | Thanks for your help, by the way | 15:11 |
| ybit | np Spakz1 | 15:11 |
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| @kanzure | Spakz1: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/diytranshuman_projects.v4.html | 15:15 |
| @kanzure | microfluidics projects would be nice to do | 15:15 |
| Spakz1 | Reading now | 15:19 |
| Spakz1 | Thanks! | 15:19 |
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| Spakz1 | Hm... lots of options | 15:23 |
| Spakz1 | So, Kanzure, what are some of the things you've worked on in the past, if you don't mind me asking? | 15:30 |
| ybit | Spakz1: i think he's beaten pokemon gold, silver, and crystal and now is reverse engineering the game to have more levels to play | 15:32 |
| Spakz1 | I appear to be pretty far out of my league, then | 15:33 |
| Mariu | hahaha | 15:33 |
| @kanzure | Spakz1: lots of stuff... what do you want to know about? | 15:38 |
| Spakz1 | Kanzure, I've been trying to get into some of the diybio crowd, so I guess things you've worked on with relatively few materials/with a small team? | 15:39 |
| @kanzure | the most diybio-relevant hardware projects have been playing aound with microfluidics, | 15:39 |
| @kanzure | unless you count software | 15:39 |
| Spakz1 | Ah, I see | 15:40 |
| ybit | Spakz1: there were several threads in the diybio mailing list on getting started with microfluidics | 15:40 |
| Spakz1 | ybit, ah, ok, I'll check it out | 15:42 |
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| Spakz1 | So has anyone worked on anything that would really be considered transhuman? | 16:08 |
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| ybit | Spakz1: we would be speaking in 0's and 1's if we really worked on anything that you could call 'transhuman', right? :) | 16:28 |
| Spakz1 | Haha fair enough | 16:29 |
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| @kanzure | Spakz1: well the "main proponents" of transhumanism consider advertising to be transhumanist, so be careful | 17:01 |
| Spakz1 | What do you mean by that? (not the "be careful" bit) | 17:03 |
| @kanzure | consider humanity+.. all they do is marketing/advertising | 17:06 |
| @kanzure | it's a joke | 17:06 |
| @kanzure | a very very bad oke | 17:06 |
| @kanzure | *joke | 17:07 |
| Spakz1 | Ah, I see what you mean now | 17:07 |
| Spakz1 | I read humanity+ magazine a few times. It didn't seem to be very well-written | 17:07 |
| @kanzure | no | 17:08 |
| @kanzure | i have lots of stories to tell about that magazine | 17:08 |
| Spakz1 | Haha do tell | 17:08 |
| @kanzure | i was directly working for humanity+ for a while | 17:08 |
| @kanzure | i'd rather not! what are your skills | 17:08 |
| ybit | no no! talk bad about them publicly! | 17:09 |
| ybit | gossip is what transhumanism is all about | 17:09 |
| @kanzure | ybit: there's tons of shit in the logs already | 17:09 |
| @kanzure | way more than enough for one lifetime | 17:10 |
| @kanzure | wtf's your problem anyway | 17:10 |
| Spakz1 | In terms of useful skills for diybio, I'm a decent programmer. Other than that, I don't have too much to my name. I know a decent amount about bio and chem, but I don't have a lot of knowledge and/or experience with that | 17:10 |
| ybit | kanzure: i have a problem? | 17:11 |
| Spakz1 | I don't have a whole lot of book learning in those fields primarily because of my education level though, it's not that I'm not capable of it | 17:12 |
| @kanzure | Spakz1: what sort of programming | 17:13 |
| Spakz1 | Kenzure, ususally just general scripting stuff. Not web development if that's what you were getting at | 17:14 |
| @kanzure | what sort of scripting? | 17:15 |
| @kanzure | bash, perl, python? | 17:15 |
| Spakz1 | Perl | 17:15 |
| @kanzure | good perl or spaghetti perl | 17:18 |
| Spakz1 | yes | 17:18 |
| Spakz1 | good perl for designing something I'll make in more than one sitting, spaghetti perl for one-shot scripts | 17:19 |
| @kanzure | Spakz1: check out the cpan module for tecan laboratory automation | 17:20 |
| @kanzure | jonathan cline (in the diybio community) wrote up those modules to assist with library automation | 17:20 |
| @kanzure | *laboratory automation | 17:20 |
| @kanzure | it's a liquid handling robot | 17:20 |
| @kanzure | not too complex but something worth looking at | 17:20 |
| Spakz1 | I'll check it out now | 17:21 |
| @kanzure | iirc there's an svn repo for it on sourceforge | 17:21 |
| @kanzure | but for the life of me i can't recall why jonathan chose sourceforge | 17:21 |
| Spakz1 | I can't find it on CPAN | 17:22 |
| @kanzure | http://search.cpan.org/~jcline/Robotics-0.23/ | 17:22 |
| Spakz1 | Ah, cool, thanks! | 17:22 |
| Spakz1 | I found it once I searched for authors. Thanks for the link, though | 17:23 |
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| Spakz1 | Cool module | 17:34 |
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| @kanzure | i am back | 19:41 |
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| jrayhawk | kanzure does piny qualify as good perl or spaghetti perl | 20:17 |
| @kanzure | it's a mix between good-sysadmin-perl and undecipherable crap | 20:17 |
| @kanzure | ok maybe not undecipherable | 20:17 |
| @kanzure | well, maybe undecipherable but not crap | 20:18 |
| jrayhawk | "undecipherable crap perl" is redundant | 20:18 |
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| jrayhawk | I like that when Perl adds a cleaner type system for itself in the form of Moose, it manages to become *even less* readable. | 20:20 |
| Spakz | Moose is pretty nice, though | 20:21 |
| jrayhawk | True dat. Fuck dynamic typing. | 20:21 |
| Spakz | Haha I sense animosity | 20:22 |
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| Stee| | Job interview coming up :) | 21:01 |
| jrayhawk | protip: wear pants | 21:08 |
| @kanzure | proprotip: pants totally optional | 21:09 |
| @kanzure | if you get the job with no pants you're a boss | 21:09 |
| jrayhawk | i admit to having invoiced a fair number of pantsless billable hours, but i have never tried interviewing that way | 21:12 |
| @kanzure | "Do you mind if i take off my pants? i'm just more comfortable this way" | 21:15 |
| @kanzure | "if we are going to be coding during this interview, i must warn you that i usually code without pants" | 21:15 |
| @kanzure | perhaps this is the evolution of office attire? | 21:21 |
| @kanzure | "We don't wear suits here" | 21:21 |
| @kanzure | "We don't wear ties here" | 21:21 |
| @kanzure | "We don't wear pants here" | 21:21 |
| @kanzure | "We require a formal bathrobe attire at all times." | 21:21 |
| jrayhawk | in that tedx video, aubrey claims that alzheimers and cancer and "so forth" are indistinct from aging | 21:29 |
| jrayhawk | this is sortof a bafflingly stupid thing to say | 21:30 |
| Stee| | phone interview | 21:32 |
| Stee| | I love suits | 21:32 |
| Stee| | suits are awesome. | 21:32 |
| Stee| | anyway | 21:32 |
| Stee| | weapons development | 21:33 |
| Stee| | so go me | 21:33 |
| jrayhawk | do you get to play with said weapons | 21:33 |
| Stee| | prooooobably not | 21:34 |
| jrayhawk | :( | 21:35 |
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| jrayhawk | I have been told in multiple interviews that I probably wouldn't have been hired if I'd shown up in a suit. | 21:36 |
| Stee| | heh | 21:37 |
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| Stee| | not a developer | 21:43 |
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| @kanzure | ah good, openscad is losing the qt dependency | 23:22 |
| Juul | now if they would only loose the opengl 2.0 dependency | 23:27 |
| Juul | grrr stupid old graphics card | 23:27 |
| @kanzure | they should lose all dependencies, except for core libraries like, parsing text | 23:27 |
| @kanzure | qt, visualization (yawn) | 23:28 |
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