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| JayDugger | Good morning, everyone. | 06:44 |
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| fenn | hum it's been 20 days since i logged in? | 17:24 |
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| kanzure | fenn: WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN | 17:56 |
| kanzure | :( | 17:56 |
| foucist | probably experimenting with his own dna | 17:59 |
| Steel_zzz | kanzure: who's at the center of the wheel of h+ organizations these days | 17:59 |
| Steel_zzz | and how has the departure of Pearce been treated? | 18:00 |
| kanzure | do you mean "who is actually competent and should be treated as the center" | 18:00 |
| kanzure | or "who has claimed the center" | 18:00 |
| Steel_zzz | who is the person pulling the most strings, competent or not | 18:00 |
| kanzure | pulling the most strings? peter thiel | 18:00 |
| Steel_zzz | who should be? | 18:00 |
| foucist | is peter thiel active in the management? | 18:01 |
| kanzure | foucist: no | 18:01 |
| kanzure | i don't know what you're asking really | 18:01 |
| kanzure | do you want a list of names of everyone | 18:01 |
| kanzure | and then what criteria do you need me to sort on? | 18:01 |
| Steel_zzz | Ideally name, relationships, and relative power balances :V | 18:01 |
| Steel_zzz | (in a dream world) | 18:01 |
| kanzure | power balance? what the hell are you smoking | 18:01 |
| kanzure | what does that even mean | 18:01 |
| foucist | steel is asking who has claimed the center | 18:02 |
| Steel_zzz | okay | 18:02 |
| kanzure | humanity+ | 18:02 |
| Steel_zzz | people have influence over each other | 18:02 |
| Steel_zzz | and money sometimes | 18:02 |
| kanzure | but they haven't really "claimed" it | 18:02 |
| Steel_zzz | and public relations sometimes | 18:02 |
| kanzure | i mean, they are a pretty weak claim | 18:02 |
| Steel_zzz | and there's lots of little interplays and interconnects | 18:02 |
| kanzure | ok, so you just want "who has released the most press statements" ? | 18:02 |
| foucist | who's the active manager | 18:02 |
| kanzure | of humanity+? | 18:03 |
| Steel_zzz | I guess the clear answer here is | 18:03 |
| Steel_zzz | the movement is a headless chicken | 18:03 |
| kanzure | what movement? | 18:03 |
| Steel_zzz | I want to be a member of the bilderberg group :( [is jealous of thiel and musk] | 18:03 |
| eudoxia | nobody is competent enough to be the manager so that leaves a big power void that's just waiting to be filled | 18:03 |
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| kanzure | eudoxia: i can think of some people that might be competent enough | 18:03 |
| eudoxia | haha, "power". get it? | 18:04 |
| kanzure | but nobody would care | 18:04 |
| kanzure | except me maybe. | 18:04 |
| eudoxia | kanzure: well, there are some people I can see running the movement | 18:04 |
| Steel_zzz | who's your list of competent people? | 18:04 |
| kanzure | nobody would care who has skills, resources or money | 18:04 |
| eudoxia | but nobody has actually claimed it | 18:04 |
| kanzure | is what i mean. | 18:04 |
| eudoxia | so headless chicken | 18:04 |
| kanzure | it's not a headless chicken- there's no chicken! | 18:04 |
| foucist | kanzure: a political tip.. interpret the question in your own terms and then answer it fully, even if you answer the wrong question.. rather than being obtuse and challenging the asker to ask a more relevant question | 18:05 |
| kanzure | foucist: they should be asking what i need to accomplish my projects | 18:05 |
| kanzure | not asking all this political shit | 18:05 |
| eudoxia | another movement that turns out to have been a paranoid schizophrenic hallucination :( | 18:05 |
| kanzure | Here is what I need: | 18:05 |
| kanzure | 1) i need more men | 18:05 |
| kanzure | 2) i need a budget that i don't have to suck dick for | 18:06 |
| Steel_zzz | where's the complete listing of your projects and what's needed for each? | 18:06 |
| kanzure | 3) for people to get out of my way | 18:06 |
| kanzure | Steel_zzz: there's no complete listing, but here's an ok start http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/diytranshumanism_projects.v4.html | 18:06 |
| foucist | kanzure: who are you? you should be asking what i need to accomplish my projects :P | 18:06 |
| eudoxia | the link is down | 18:06 |
| eudoxia | but I remember a transhuman_projects file with things like the Gada prize and the DIY AFM | 18:07 |
| kanzure | oops | 18:07 |
| kanzure | -ism | 18:07 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/diytranshuman_projects.v4.html | 18:07 |
| kanzure | i can't remember all these urls, sorry | 18:07 |
| Steel_zzz | Man, what you need a publicist. | 18:08 |
| kanzure | no, that wasn't on my list | 18:08 |
| kanzure | i told you exactly what i need | 18:08 |
| Steel_zzz | an html document doesn't convince anyway | 18:08 |
| Steel_zzz | *anyone | 18:08 |
| kanzure | i don't need to convince you | 18:08 |
| eudoxia | needs some CSS | 18:08 |
| kanzure | eudoxia: haha | 18:08 |
| kanzure | actually, it seems i need to convince you that i don't need publicity | 18:09 |
| kanzure | but you're probably the sort of person that believes in PR eh | 18:09 |
| Steel_zzz | yes | 18:10 |
| kanzure | Steel_zzz: so if you really like publicity, why don't you just go suck up to humanity+? | 18:11 |
| kanzure | i'm serious | 18:12 |
| kanzure | and/or using it to illustrate a point | 18:12 |
| Steel_zzz | Because it's too venn diagram with SIAI | 18:12 |
| Steel_zzz | overlap | 18:12 |
| Steel_zzz | I don't consider them effective | 18:13 |
| Steel_zzz | OR | 18:13 |
| Steel_zzz | having good PR | 18:13 |
| kanzure | i posit that they are ineffective because of their focus on pr | 18:13 |
| Steel_zzz | I posit their pr sucks. | 18:13 |
| kanzure | even if they had fantastic pr, they would still be doing the same things (pr) | 18:13 |
| kanzure | the reality is that their max fundraising campaign only brought in like $15k | 18:14 |
| kanzure | that's not anything at all | 18:14 |
| Steel_zzz | Right | 18:14 |
| kanzure | so let's just forget this pr thing | 18:14 |
| Steel_zzz | And I don't think they're doing it right at all | 18:14 |
| kanzure | and just get the projects done | 18:14 |
| eudoxia | Open Source Ecology has nice PR | 18:14 |
| eudoxia | at least, you know, in my uneducated opinion | 18:14 |
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| Steel_zzz | And I also don't think diy is going to be what gets this done as much as university labs. | 18:15 |
| eudoxia | nice layout, complete wiki, regular quality videos | 18:15 |
| kanzure | Steel_zzz: the differene between you and i seems to be that you're ok imagining that labs are going to do things for you | 18:15 |
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| Steel_zzz | no, I'm in a lab doing it now. | 18:15 |
| Steel_zzz | well, not literally right now | 18:15 |
| kanzure | pr? | 18:15 |
| Steel_zzz | the science. | 18:16 |
| Steel_zzz | but people who believe in where this is going | 18:16 |
| kanzure | believe in what? | 18:16 |
| Steel_zzz | transhumanism | 18:16 |
| kanzure | ok can you be more specific | 18:16 |
| Steel_zzz | the elevation of the human beyond the constraints of our natural biology | 18:16 |
| kanzure | ok, so it's an ethics lab? | 18:16 |
| eudoxia | i don't think that's what he was asking | 18:16 |
| kanzure | jesus | 18:16 |
| Steel_zzz | Oh | 18:16 |
| Steel_zzz | my lab? | 18:17 |
| Steel_zzz | I do nanoprinting | 18:17 |
| kanzure | Steel_zzz: talking with you is really hard | 18:17 |
| Steel_zzz | I would say the same about you :) | 18:17 |
| kanzure | you do nanoprinting, and you think they are going to fund transhumanist projects because..? | 18:17 |
| kanzure | the reality is that if you want funding form a university, you usually assign them 52% of your grant money | 18:17 |
| kanzure | *from a university | 18:17 |
| Steel_zzz | no, I think that the job of people who believe in transhumanist things is to work on the cultural views of it | 18:17 |
| kanzure | 52%+ish | 18:17 |
| Steel_zzz | and to spread the ideals | 18:17 |
| Steel_zzz | so that the rest of the world catches on | 18:17 |
| Steel_zzz | and that funding goes more and more to science | 18:17 |
| kanzure | that's a load of bunk- then everyone is working on "culture" | 18:17 |
| eudoxia | and then it's XFF all over again oh god | 18:18 |
| kanzure | eudoxia: did you watch that ? | 18:18 |
| kanzure | and may i ask, why did you watch it | 18:18 |
| Steel_zzz | I dunno, I believe in the diy, but I also think that more concerted effort needs to be made to connect transhumanism with the regular person. | 18:18 |
| kanzure | what the heck does that even mean | 18:19 |
| eudoxia | kanzure: I wanted to see how bad it was | 18:19 |
| kanzure | eudoxia: :x i didn't see it | 18:19 |
| Steel_zzz | That means that we need to make it considered the norm | 18:19 |
| Steel_zzz | Instead of a weird fringe thing | 18:19 |
| kanzure | i don't care what the norm is? | 18:19 |
| eudoxia | kanz: you didn't miss much | 18:19 |
| eudoxia | michael anissimov's new haircut really puts the ass in asperger's though | 18:19 |
| kanzure | there's a really big cognitive disconnect between you and me Steel_zzz and i can't figure out what it is | 18:19 |
| Steel_zzz | pic? | 18:19 |
| kanzure | you seem to want approval from your peers? | 18:19 |
| kanzure | but it seems different from this | 18:19 |
| Steel_zzz | kanzure: I see this as something all the world should reach for. | 18:19 |
| Steel_zzz | Because I want to make all humans into 'god-like' being as fast as possible | 18:20 |
| eudoxia | http://blogs.laweekly.com/stylecouncil/ExtremeFuturistFest3.jpg | 18:20 |
| kanzure | Steel_zzz: ok | 18:20 |
| Steel_zzz | it's not a bowlcut | 18:20 |
| kanzure | just so that we're clear, | 18:20 |
| kanzure | you want to do forced uplifting? | 18:20 |
| Steel_zzz | Tempting to say yes, but no. | 18:21 |
| eudoxia | oh this is gonna get good | 18:21 |
| Steel_zzz | 1) Death should be made illegal in my opinion. | 18:21 |
| Steel_zzz | once it's possible | 18:21 |
| kanzure | what's #2 | 18:21 |
| Steel_zzz | 2) It should be made as cheap as possible, at least for immortality/implants. | 18:21 |
| eudoxia | the government can't pass a simple healthcare bill and you expect them to pass a bill requiring forced cryopreservation of dead persons? | 18:22 |
| kanzure | ok why does it have to cost money? that's the first fflaw i see | 18:22 |
| Steel_zzz | I believe that the concept of money will never truly leave | 18:22 |
| Steel_zzz | you can always find a use for more mass/energy and computation | 18:22 |
| kanzure | eudoxia: it would be cool to do something like futurama's "near death star" where dying people are stolen and preserved | 18:22 |
| kanzure | eudoxia: we can set up an underground lair where we freeze nearly-dead bodies | 18:22 |
| Steel_zzz | So I don't believe in true post-scarcity, just making it such a miniscule worry | 18:22 |
| kanzure | eudoxia: can you get some popcorn | 18:23 |
| eudoxia | well it's always better to assume scarcity will be there than to assume robots will show up at our doorstep with immortality | 18:23 |
| Steel_zzz | Even with robots and immortality, there's still scarcity | 18:23 |
| kanzure | Steel_zzz: so, you think that you need to convince them so that you can force them to go through with these things? | 18:23 |
| delinquentme | Steel_zzz, can i copy some of that porn you have on your HD | 18:24 |
| delinquentme | ? | 18:24 |
| Steel_zzz | If I convince them it's not forcing. | 18:24 |
| Steel_zzz | delinquentme: Why the hell would I download porn? | 18:24 |
| kanzure | there's two things we're talking about now, first is why you're interested in convincing people of the publicity, and second why you're interested in forced uplifting (sorta) | 18:24 |
| delinquentme | bc thats post scarce | 18:24 |
| eudoxia | because videos are taken down and links die and threads 404 | 18:24 |
| Steel_zzz | no it isn't :P | 18:24 |
| delinquentme | I've got porn you've got porn and we can all get as much porn as we'd like | 18:24 |
| Steel_zzz | For instance, there's a dearth of certain fetishes I've looked for | 18:24 |
| delinquentme | so we currently HAVE post scarce resources | 18:24 |
| delinquentme | lololol | 18:24 |
| delinquentme | ok well yes as it stands like some "niche markets" | 18:25 |
| delinquentme | we aren't post scarce for some resources | 18:25 |
| Steel_zzz | kanzure: More people convinced, less Fukuyama, less fighting, faster progress. | 18:25 |
| delinquentme | ^^^^^^ | 18:25 |
| kanzure | i can't think of a single instance that fukuyama has stopped or inhibited my projects | 18:26 |
| kanzure | i'm sorry, but he's really not that important | 18:26 |
| kanzure | you wanna know what's important? this god damn compiler error that i'm fixing at the moment | 18:26 |
| kanzure | or that plexiglass i picked up yesterday | 18:26 |
| Steel_zzz | people like fukuyama, if not him precisely, are what led to the slowdown in stem cell research | 18:27 |
| eudoxia | what an asshole | 18:27 |
| Steel_zzz | So everyone I talk to and get to know in a least a private setting, I try to sell on transhumanism. | 18:27 |
| Steel_zzz | My mom, my friends, dance team, weightlifters | 18:27 |
| Steel_zzz | gamers | 18:27 |
| Steel_zzz | everyone. | 18:27 |
| kanzure | that's a little creepy | 18:28 |
| eudoxia | that's got to be creepy | 18:28 |
| Steel_zzz | Not at first, of course | 18:28 |
| Steel_zzz | but after we get to know each other. | 18:28 |
| Steel_zzz | I convinced my mom to do cryo. | 18:28 |
| kanzure | you have a lot to learn if you want to run a proper cult | 18:28 |
| Steel_zzz | I don't want a cult. | 18:28 |
| Steel_zzz | Power, yes. Cult, no. | 18:28 |
| kanzure | it sure sounds like it | 18:28 |
| kanzure | right... ok | 18:28 |
| Steel_zzz | really, I want to run a consulting firm | 18:28 |
| kanzure | for nanoprinting? | 18:29 |
| Steel_zzz | no...? | 18:29 |
| Steel_zzz | fuck my thesis | 18:29 |
| Steel_zzz | policy/business implications of augmentation and emerging technology, actually | 18:29 |
| eudoxia | like if there's software that can only be run by a guy with an aug is that discrimination etc. | 18:30 |
| Steel_zzz | anyway | 18:33 |
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| delinquentme | i think im with him on it | 18:37 |
| delinquentme | also you've got to gauge the audience | 18:37 |
| delinquentme | you're not selling transhumanism to a concerv xtian | 18:38 |
| eudoxia | well you can always try to reprogram | 18:39 |
| eudoxia | but that is impolite | 18:39 |
| delinquentme | haha | 18:42 |
| delinquentme | eudoxia, between you and me the ones who have already reprogrammed are those with higher mental Horsepower :D | 18:43 |
| delinquentme | oh and hows the work coming eudoxia ?? | 18:43 |
| eudoxia | well depends on which work | 18:43 |
| delinquentme | I've got interviews for 2 diff companies doing bio / programming stuff ... so It took under a year to make the transition :D | 18:43 |
| eudoxia | but your speech that other day inspired me to drop minecraft and go learn calc from the OCW <3 | 18:44 |
| kanzure | good | 18:44 |
| kanzure | everyone should know how to use a calculator | 18:44 |
| kanzure | maybe you'll eventually get up to calculus | 18:44 |
| kanzure | (i'm kidding) | 18:44 |
| delinquentme | calc! nice | 18:49 |
| delinquentme | lol | 18:50 |
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| Steel_afk | minecraft is a good way to intrinsically learn logic gates (I've heard) | 18:58 |
| sylph_mako | I woudln't agree. You can't do abstraction. | 18:59 |
| Steel_afk | fuck. gold :( | 18:59 |
| Steel_afk | *cold | 18:59 |
| eudoxia | I could implement Rule 110 in Minecraft but couldn't in Lisp | 18:59 |
| eudoxia | herp derp | 18:59 |
| sylph_mako | I think messing around with logisim is a better way to learn logic gates. I had a lot of fun with that. | 19:00 |
| sylph_mako | While I'm averse to making anything complex in minecraft cause it feels like a clusterfuck. The Wrong Way to do logic programming. | 19:02 |
| JayDugger | Good evening, everyone. | 19:08 |
| kanzure | ""The problem for the content industry is they just don't know how to mobilize people," said John P. Feehery, a former House Republican leadership aide who previously worked at the motion picture association. "They have a small group of content makers, a few unions, whereas the Internet world, the social media world especially, can reach people in ways we never feared before." | 19:10 |
| sylph_mako | Hahahahaha | 19:11 |
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| Mariu | hey guys | 19:32 |
| kanzure | nice.. reconnected with an internet buddy from 2002 | 19:33 |
| Mariu | cool | 19:33 |
| Mariu | hey kanzure | 19:33 |
| Mariu | kanzure, what's new ? | 19:35 |
| kanzure | not much- busy coding | 19:36 |
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