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| @kanzure | "In 1989, Fusion Associates formed a limited partnership through which it acquired control of Vega Biotechnologies, Inc., a publicly held biotechnology company. Fusion Associates reorganized the financially troubled company and sold a majority position in 1992." | 00:06 |
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| @kanzure | well thats troubling | 00:06 |
| @kanzure | yashgaroth, btw i'm pretty sure geneweave inc is doing phage display diagnostic assays | 00:06 |
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| sylph_mako | Anelosimus eximius would be an example of a eusocial spider. I need more info on this. I find eusocial insects highly instructive examples. | 01:36 |
| sylph_mako | Evolutionary biology are like my fables. | 01:36 |
| sylph_mako | At this precipice before enabling ourselves to replace the evolutionary forces that have gotten us this far with logic and memes, we need to learn the rules to the survival game in more depth than any animal ever has. | 01:39 |
| sylph_mako | There are so many ways we could fuck this up. | 01:51 |
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| archels | Good luck with that. | 02:25 |
| archels | Perhaps the only way we can learn about it on a reasonable (i.e. human) timescale is by tinkering. | 02:26 |
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| _sol_ | SO how about those DIY open source glassware labs? j/king | 05:45 |
| _sol_ | The DEA is so paranoid that any amatuer medical chemistry organic synthesis is like the capital crime of transhumanism... anyway | 05:46 |
| _sol_ | I wonder how long it will be bfore homeland security and the FDA get together with the DEA to create restrictive list for DIY biohacking and labs... | 05:47 |
| chris_99 | i found you could get synthesizers pretty cheap off ebay | 05:47 |
| _sol_ | alert alert.... that microscobe and microbio oven is a lethal weapon... put your hands up and step away from the petri dish | 05:48 |
| _sol_ | er microscope | 05:48 |
| chris_99 | haha | 05:48 |
| _sol_ | homeland security and the local health dept have been tracking your moves to cheap restaurants/diners around the area and suspect you plan to biobomb the food... | 05:49 |
| _sol_ | :P | 05:49 |
| _sol_ | we are just taking precautions... hans over the equipment | 05:49 |
| _sol_ | it could be a joke but seriously... some ppl are quite anal retentive about listing all possible problems in these govt agencies | 05:49 |
| chris_99 | thankfully i don't live in the US ;) | 05:54 |
| _sol_ | I've heard the chemical supply list are pretty restrictive these days, and some require heads up special forms to list your exact uses down on from some chemical companies even if and some want ya to have a DEA license anyway... but I guess tha tis if ya are doing some complex orgo synthesis... I was reading one uni chem site that says that alot of chemistry supplies for precursors has | 05:55 |
| _sol_ | been highly regulated such that DIY chem is a dead field now for alot of things... not like the old days... I think europe is probably restrictive to,but not sure about elsewhere... | 05:55 |
| _sol_ | even with an adv degree, they are requiring alot of chem companies for liability requir extra paperwork now | 05:55 |
| _sol_ | or so I heard | 05:56 |
| chris_99 | thats ridiculous | 05:56 |
| chris_99 | i remember my dad saying in the old days they'd make things like nitrous oxide and fireworks | 05:56 |
| chris_99 | and just get the chemicals from a shop | 05:57 |
| _sol_ | I keep thinking if someone finds a viable way at self-assembly and biotech to create some nanotech probes and stuff that work that it will be form a rather restrictive network of companies and govt agencies that will try to limit DIY tinkering for fearmongers of nanotech | 05:57 |
| chris_99 | i personally think however hard they tried to regulate such an industry they're gonna fail | 05:58 |
| chris_99 | when people can start making their own equipment | 05:58 |
| chris_99 | or buying old equipment cheaply | 05:58 |
| _sol_ | someone will go... nanobombs and airborne nanothis an dthat will be or already has been written up by a few restrictive people who are "security" experts that probably already has the ear of the govt... | 05:59 |
| _sol_ | pretty soon ya will need a license in the US or the countries the US tries to do some deals with for exports/imports to own a spectrometer heh | 05:59 |
| _sol_ | step away from the spectrometer... we know you are making something somewhere... | 05:59 |
| _sol_ | no analysis allowed | 06:00 |
| chris_99 | and i was thinking of getting a spectrometer for my homebrew, darn ;) | 06:03 |
| _sol_ | yeah, well, ya probably odn't need it for the basics lol | 06:03 |
| _sol_ | well, technically , old fashioned biotech is already regulated | 06:03 |
| _sol_ | but | 06:04 |
| chris_99 | what about dna synthesis, when someone could mail order a virus | 06:04 |
| _sol_ | drop the yeast... you are holding a lethal bioagent... | 06:05 |
| _sol_ | and stop trying to increase the yield with your biotech yeast... | 06:05 |
| _sol_ | drunks :P | 06:05 |
| _sol_ | er super biotech | 06:05 |
| chris_99 | haha | 06:06 |
| chris_99 | yeah i was looking to get hold of some 20% yeast to play with | 06:06 |
| _sol_ | moonshiners with their southern comfort sons studying DIY biotech | 06:06 |
| _sol_ | but dad... we could be the next .. whatever | 06:06 |
| _sol_ | a higher yield and half the investment | 06:07 |
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| chris_99 | this looks pretty cool http://makezine.com/07/fingerprinting/ | 06:58 |
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| @kanzure | false! make is secretly not so cool and causes diarrhea | 08:00 |
| chris_99 | haha | 08:05 |
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| strages_work | best practices for liberating papers from ACM and IEEE? | 08:32 |
| chris_99 | google scholar enables you find a lot | 08:34 |
| chris_99 | of 'em | 08:34 |
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| strages_work | find yes, liberate no | 08:46 |
| strages_work | I get google scholar alerts for papers of interest but they're locked behind pay walls | 08:47 |
| strages_work | I was wondering if there were any tricks for fixing this | 08:47 |
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| mag1strate | are you part of a university? | 08:54 |
| strages_work | no | 08:55 |
| mag1strate | do you have any friends at a university? | 08:56 |
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| strages_work | yes | 09:02 |
| strages_work | of course this isn't a trick, this is annoying my friends for access to papers daily | 09:02 |
| delinquentme | strages_work, ^^ what you doing? | 09:03 |
| mag1strate | he is trying to access pay wall locked google scholar papers | 09:04 |
| delinquentme | hhmmm | 09:04 |
| strages_work | IEEE and ACM specifically, but there are others | 09:04 |
| delinquentme | mag1strate, howdy never seen you in here before :D | 09:04 |
| delinquentme | ummm have you tried finding a IRC channel about engineering? | 09:05 |
| mag1strate | delinquentme: I thought I have talked to you before lol | 09:06 |
| mag1strate | delinquentme: How are you doing btw? | 09:06 |
| delinquentme | oh haha maybe :D | 09:08 |
| delinquentme | well! about to take a call for a job interview | 09:08 |
| delinquentme | in SV! | 09:08 |
| mag1strate | Good Luck! | 09:08 |
| JayDugger | Good luck. | 09:09 |
| delinquentme | yeah doing a bit of brushing up reallly quick .. and also realizing that I should be looking for coder jobs in SV as they pay better than bioinformaticists | 09:11 |
| delinquentme | by like 30gs | 09:11 |
| mag1strate | are you looking for a bioinformatics job now? | 09:12 |
| delinquentme | ummm i wanted to surround myself w biologists | 09:16 |
| delinquentme | but being that biology jobs are contingent upon publish / perish as well as funding | 09:16 |
| delinquentme | programming might be better | 09:16 |
| mag1strate | yeah for the money especially | 09:16 |
| mag1strate | but is the interview for a bioinformatics job? | 09:16 |
| delinquentme | nah | 09:17 |
| Stee| | SV? | 09:17 |
| delinquentme | a customer support programming role | 09:17 |
| delinquentme | Stee|, you got it :D | 09:17 |
| Stee| | what is SV | 09:17 |
| Stee| | >_> | 09:17 |
| delinquentme | ohh silicon valley :D | 09:17 |
| Stee| | oh lol | 09:18 |
| Stee| | I'm from california and always heard the full name used | 09:18 |
| delinquentme | sili valley! | 09:18 |
| delinquentme | Stee|, where were u born ?? | 09:18 |
| delinquentme | or like where from in cali | 09:18 |
| Stee| | Ventura County/San Diego County | 09:19 |
| delinquentme | << riverside | 09:19 |
| Stee| | sweet | 09:19 |
| Stee| | you should drive down when I'm in town april/may | 09:19 |
| Stee| | and go drinking with me and yashgaroth | 09:20 |
| @kanzure | strages_work: there's some plans in the works | 09:22 |
| delinquentme | Stee|, totes. | 09:24 |
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| @kanzure | "We can now produce oligos at 100 kbp/dollar and sequence DNA at 1 Mbp/dollar" | 11:18 |
| @kanzure | just.. not commercially heh | 11:18 |
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| chris_99 | whats that from kanzure? | 13:03 |
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| @kanzure | chris_99: one of george church's papers i think | 13:13 |
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| chris_99 | ah thanks | 13:21 |
| chris_99 | im just trying to make a cloud chamber at the mo' and failing :( | 13:21 |
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| @kanzure | Mokbortolan_: do you want the emotiv sdk | 14:31 |
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| Mokbortolan_ | Even if I had it I couldn't use it | 14:38 |
| Mokbortolan_ | I have a consumer-grade headset | 14:38 |
| @kanzure | what? | 14:38 |
| @kanzure | no it's the same headset iirc | 14:38 |
| Mokbortolan_ | isn't it a different firmware? | 14:38 |
| Mokbortolan_ | Sure I'll take it, on the off chance it will work :) | 14:39 |
| Mokbortolan_ | thanks! | 14:39 |
| @kanzure | no firmware differences | 14:39 |
| Mokbortolan_ | one of the things I wanted to do with it was record a hypnosis session | 14:40 |
| Mokbortolan_ | but I can't do that without the SDK, so I had resigned myself to using neuroprogrammer and mind workshop | 14:40 |
| @kanzure | erm i think you can record that with their default tools | 14:41 |
| @kanzure | one sec, trying to get this other person online | 14:42 |
| Mokbortolan_ | AFAIK EEG recording is a research-only feature | 14:42 |
| @kanzure | "it dumps a TSV/CSV that one can do whatever you want with" | 14:42 |
| Mokbortolan_ | hmm | 14:43 |
| * Mokbortolan_ admits nigh-complete ignorance now. | 14:43 | |
| chris_99 | you don't need the sdk | 14:51 |
| chris_99 | for emotiv | 14:51 |
| chris_99 | theres a reverse engineered one | 14:51 |
| chris_99 | thats OSS | 14:51 |
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| @kanzure | http://reymond.dcb.unibe.ch/gdb/home.html#gdb | 14:54 |
| @kanzure | "GDB-11 enumerates small organic molecules up to 11 atoms of C, N, O and F following simple chemical stability and synthetic feasibility rules." | 14:54 |
| @kanzure | 2.6 GB ftp://ftp.unibe.ch/ioc/gdb/gdb13.tgz | 14:54 |
| @kanzure | 7.2 MB - random selection (1 million molecules) ftp://ftp.unibe.ch/ioc/gdb/gdb13.rand1M.smi.gz | 14:54 |
| chris_99 | https://github.com/qdot/emokit current repo | 14:55 |
| @kanzure | chris_99: check the readme.. | 14:55 |
| chris_99 | what about it? | 14:55 |
| @kanzure | there used to be a ##hplusroadmap shout out | 14:56 |
| @kanzure | anyway, the commercial sdk has lots of other features | 14:57 |
| @kanzure | if anyone wants access to it, let me know | 14:57 |
| chris_99 | i'm curious about it | 15:00 |
| chris_99 | how good is the emokit? | 15:00 |
| @kanzure | haven't tried it out in a long time, | 15:00 |
| @kanzure | last i checked we were able to get gyroscopic data back | 15:00 |
| @kanzure | https://github.com/qdot/emokit/blob/master/c/examples/epocd/epocd.c | 15:01 |
| chris_99 | nice | 15:02 |
| chris_99 | it can get the EEG stuff though | 15:03 |
| chris_99 | right | 15:03 |
| @kanzure | doesn't look like it | 15:04 |
| @kanzure | somenoe should poke qdot or daeken about that | 15:04 |
| chris_99 | im almost certain on his site he'd posted photos of eeg stuff | 15:04 |
| Mokbortolan_ | kanzure: can I have access? :) | 15:04 |
| @kanzure | Mokbortolan_: ah right | 15:05 |
| @kanzure | Mokbortolan_: email? | 15:06 |
| Mokbortolan_ | pm | 15:07 |
| @kanzure | ok | 15:08 |
| Mokbortolan_ | Ah, so I gotta bug this guy? :) | 15:09 |
| @kanzure | apparently, he was going to just drop a link | 15:09 |
| @kanzure | i don't know | 15:09 |
| @kanzure | i think he's interested in doing some sort of collaborative project | 15:09 |
| Mokbortolan_ | augh | 15:10 |
| @kanzure | i'm sorry i don't speak arnold? | 15:10 |
| Mokbortolan_ | guys like that always make me feel guilty about not accomplishing more with my time on this earth :p | 15:10 |
| @kanzure | you should simply eat your children, it will free up lots of time | 15:10 |
| Mokbortolan_ | that it would | 15:11 |
| Mokbortolan_ | hopefully I'll retain enough neural plasticity to be more productive once they've entered adolescence | 15:12 |
| Mokbortolan_ | until then I rest in my armchair | 15:13 |
| Mokbortolan_ | and plot escape | 15:17 |
| Mokbortolan_ | and cob houses | 15:28 |
| @kanzure | don't you have something better to be doing | 15:29 |
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| Mokbortolan_ | yes, reading product documentation :( | 15:38 |
| @kanzure | hey at least you're not debugging product documentation | 15:38 |
| @kanzure | why won't this shipping api submit this order? | 15:38 |
| Mokbortolan_ | wrong browser? | 15:42 |
| Mokbortolan_ | assuming it's web based | 15:43 |
| @kanzure | it's a "REST" API except all requests go through the same endpoint and there's no resources | 15:43 |
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| Mokbortolan_ | http://www.physorg.com/news/2012-02-spray-on-antenna-great-reception-google.html | 16:26 |
| Mokbortolan_ | article about a company making spray-on-antennas | 16:27 |
| @kanzure | antennas are weird | 16:27 |
| Mokbortolan_ | it's a bunch of nanoscale capacitors | 16:28 |
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| _sol_ | http://mitx.mit.edu/ n December, MIT announced a new online learning initiative called "MITx". Registration is now open for the pilot course, 6.002x Circuits and Electronics. | 16:34 |
| @kanzure | bleh it's been in the news all day | 16:35 |
| @kanzure | and that canadian television show has been spamming all the hackerspaces | 16:35 |
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| @kanzure | hi kvltist | 16:37 |
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| @kanzure | hahah fantastic | 17:32 |
| @kanzure | http://dev.horde.org/h/jonah/stories/view.php?channel_id=1&id=155 | 17:32 |
| @kanzure | a wonderful horde backdoor | 17:33 |
| JayDugger | Good evening, everyone. | 17:43 |
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| @kanzure | hi yashgaroth | 18:19 |
| yashgaroth | hey | 18:19 |
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| d3nd3 | life is long, if you give it away, so stay, don't go, cos i'm fading away, soul to soul, between you and me, chain me down but i am still free | 19:13 |
| sylph_mako | That's off-topic meaningless wank. Just fyi. | 19:18 |
| klafka | hey | 19:23 |
| d3nd3 | t o t m w . j fyi | 19:28 |
| d3nd3 | hey | 19:28 |
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| klafka | hey delinquentme | 19:42 |
| delinquentme_ | klafka, ! | 19:42 |
| delinquentme_ | interview went well | 19:42 |
| delinquentme_ | like reall well | 19:42 |
| klafka | oh yeah? | 19:42 |
| klafka | how'd you like chris | 19:42 |
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| delinquentme_ | seems like he could be an awesome manager | 19:43 |
| klafka | yeah he's a relaly nice guy | 19:43 |
| delinquentme_ | knows lots of cool stuff | 19:43 |
| klafka | i like working with him a lot | 19:43 |
| delinquentme_ | we were talking algos | 19:43 |
| delinquentme_ | made a really cool point about search spaces which I havn't considered before | 19:43 |
| klafka | interesting | 19:43 |
| delinquentme_ | ya man ya | 19:44 |
| klafka | so you've got another call tomorrow right? | 19:44 |
| klafka | you talked to tamara already too right? | 19:45 |
| klafka | and she sort of gave you the HR overview shit right? | 19:45 |
| klafka | and chris told you about what you'd be doing too? | 19:45 |
| delinquentme_ | yeah we talked about the stitching together client and our ends | 19:46 |
| klafka | ok cool | 19:46 |
| delinquentme_ | havnt gotten the second call or scheduled it | 19:46 |
| klafka | oh | 19:46 |
| klafka | um well | 19:46 |
| klafka | they will | 19:46 |
| klafka | with the director of services | 19:46 |
| delinquentme_ | yeah he said shell be in contact | 19:46 |
| klafka | so um | 19:46 |
| klafka | act surprised i gues | 19:46 |
| klafka | s | 19:46 |
| klafka | heh | 19:46 |
| delinquentme_ | ha! | 19:47 |
| klafka | i'm pushing hard because i think you'll do really good | 19:47 |
| delinquentme_ | no im definitely looking forawrd to talkign to these guys | 19:47 |
| @kanzure | don't act surprised.. "oh you guys? yeah you're the third one to call today" | 19:47 |
| klafka | also like i said, i have a potential roommate situation if you want? :P | 19:47 |
| delinquentme_ | and after what they told me about the stack I definitely think I can help | 19:47 |
| klafka | i want to possibly rent this room in this loft | 19:47 |
| klafka | yeah | 19:47 |
| klafka | like the cool thing is | 19:48 |
| klafka | even if you're a TAM | 19:48 |
| klafka | you can help everywhere | 19:48 |
| klafka | it's still small enough | 19:48 |
| klafka | like me, i'm doing lotso f analytics stuff | 19:48 |
| delinquentme_ | startups baby | 19:48 |
| delinquentme_ | ^^^ | 19:48 |
| klafka | yeah | 19:48 |
| delinquentme_ | stats b aby | 19:48 |
| klafka | i mean i actually really like that | 19:48 |
| klafka | about a startup | 19:48 |
| klafka | you're not just 'oh i do this all day' | 19:48 |
| delinquentme_ | thats why startups kick ass | 19:48 |
| klafka | it's like 'oh i can help with this and this and this' | 19:48 |
| delinquentme_ | thats why they put the rape down on bigger companies | 19:48 |
| delinquentme_ | BECAUSE they're agile | 19:48 |
| delinquentme_ | in more than one way | 19:48 |
| klafka | yeah | 19:49 |
| @kanzure | the hell are you two smoking? | 19:49 |
| delinquentme_ | kanzure, is jelly | 19:49 |
| delinquentme_ | we're drinking the koolaid yo | 19:49 |
| klafka | kanzure is mystified that i like doing a support role | 19:49 |
| delinquentme_ | we're gonna have a big lan party nerd down when we all move out there | 19:49 |
| @kanzure | you two should buy/sell from each other | 19:49 |
| klafka | also kanzure i'm well aware of the pitfalls of my company too | 19:50 |
| yashgaroth | what? I love working at a startup, fuck doing one thing for nine hours a day | 19:50 |
| delinquentme_ | yashgaroth, ^^^^ | 19:50 |
| klafka | but i think the benefits currently far outweigh the negatives | 19:50 |
| @kanzure | "yeah it's like AGILE MAN" come on guys | 19:50 |
| delinquentme_ | kanzure, lol | 19:50 |
| klafka | we're so scrum | 19:50 |
| delinquentme_ | but it is? | 19:50 |
| klafka | and agile | 19:50 |
| delinquentme_ | hold on hold on | 19:50 |
| klafka | and buzzwordy | 19:50 |
| klafka | RAILS | 19:50 |
| @kanzure | and waterfall? | 19:50 |
| klafka | we're scrum waterfall | 19:50 |
| yashgaroth | paradigms, guys | 19:50 |
| delinquentme_ | when we say agile i dont mean the management practice | 19:51 |
| klafka | with blue sky value add | 19:51 |
| klafka | delinquentme_ i know | 19:51 |
| delinquentme_ | but instead cross disciplinary | 19:51 |
| klafka | yeah | 19:51 |
| delinquentme_ | ok ok | 19:51 |
| delinquentme_ | lol | 19:51 |
| delinquentme_ | kanzure, is being a butthole | 19:51 |
| delinquentme_ | * << butthole | 19:51 |
| delinquentme_ | LOL | 19:51 |
| yashgaroth | to be fair, a startup is a lot more locked into a single project | 19:51 |
| delinquentme_ | yashgaroth, true but nuances within a project | 19:51 |
| klafka | but a single project has a lot of shit | 19:52 |
| @kanzure | yashgaroth: i think they are "bonding" | 19:52 |
| @kanzure | i understand now | 19:52 |
| yashgaroth | d'awww | 19:52 |
| klafka | lol | 19:52 |
| delinquentme_ | hahah | 19:52 |
| klafka | also kanzure you have no idea how much i need more support ppl :P | 19:52 |
| delinquentme_ | HUG IT OUT GUYS | 19:52 |
| delinquentme_ | hug it out | 19:52 |
| @kanzure | klafka: nathan mccorkle is also looking or work | 19:53 |
| @kanzure | *for work | 19:53 |
| klafka | who is that? | 19:53 |
| delinquentme_ | lol girlfriend is upset i spent all day coding and doing interviews | 19:53 |
| delinquentme_ | not buying her chocolate | 19:53 |
| delinquentme_ | lulz oops. | 19:53 |
| klafka | apparently someone from RIT | 19:53 |
| @kanzure | klafka: he hangs out on diybio a lot | 19:53 |
| @kanzure | did an open source spectrometer | 19:53 |
| yashgaroth | he's nmz787 on here, when he's here | 19:54 |
| klafka | which is super funny | 19:54 |
| @kanzure | spent last summer doing sequencing for jbei | 19:54 |
| klafka | ah cool | 19:54 |
| delinquentme_ | ^^^ | 19:54 |
| klafka | what sort of job is he looking for? | 19:54 |
| @kanzure | anything, i don't think he cares | 19:54 |
| klafka | well have him talk to me | 19:54 |
| delinquentme_ | klafka, they should be paying you bonuses | 19:55 |
| @kanzure | they are.. | 19:55 |
| delinquentme_ | if i get it im totally taking you out to wine n dine u | 19:56 |
| delinquentme_ | ha | 19:56 |
| @kanzure | it's usually $5k min | 19:56 |
| klafka | lol thanks | 19:56 |
| delinquentme_ | hope u dont get date raped! | 19:56 |
| @kanzure | but i could see $10k pretty easy | 19:56 |
| delinquentme_ | kanzure, what? | 19:56 |
| delinquentme_ | ohhh oh ic ic | 19:56 |
| delinquentme_ | yeah like | 19:56 |
| delinquentme_ | importing the right talent | 19:57 |
| delinquentme_ | like im slightly above derp | 19:57 |
| @kanzure | what? no i mean referral bonuses | 19:57 |
| delinquentme_ | ^^ | 19:57 |
| @kanzure | delinquentme_: time for you to study ochem | 19:59 |
| klafka | we do get a referral bonus | 19:59 |
| @kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/DNA/synthesis.html | 19:59 |
| @kanzure | that goes for you too klafka | 19:59 |
| delinquentme_ | stats! | 20:00 |
| klafka | kk | 20:00 |
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| @kanzure | ideas for google adword keywords for ##hplusroadmap? | 20:08 |
| @kanzure | i'd like to dump a few bucks a day on random longtail keywords for things that people who are potentially useful might be searching for | 20:09 |
| foucist | kanzure: advertise on their names for when they google themselves | 20:10 |
| @kanzure | let's assume these are for people that i don't know | 20:10 |
| @kanzure | erm, i mean, for people that i don't know the names of | 20:11 |
| foucist | how about really technical jargon | 20:11 |
| @kanzure | right.. but can't be too generic, | 20:12 |
| @kanzure | like 'oligonucleotide synthesis' is already embarrassingly small in search volume, but not specific enough | 20:12 |
| @kanzure | "transcranial direct current stimulation" might be ok | 20:12 |
| foucist | yeah | 20:12 |
| foucist | what sort of people are you looking for the most? | 20:12 |
| @kanzure | "global monthly searches: 2400" | 20:12 |
| foucist | what about ai folks? | 20:13 |
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| @kanzure | i haven't met a useful ai folk yet | 20:13 |
| @kanzure | machine learning people are pretty savvy and they're fun, though | 20:13 |
| foucist | yeah | 20:13 |
| foucist | kanzure: btw the traffic on adwords is typically 3-5x more than what the tool reports | 20:14 |
| @kanzure | ah. i don't run many campaigns so thanks.. | 20:14 |
| foucist | i.e. closer to 10k for tdcs most likely | 20:14 |
| foucist | but for that type of search term you might just end up with people that are just trying to find out what it's about | 20:15 |
| @kanzure | right. | 20:15 |
| @kanzure | finding su8/pdms people would be nice though | 20:15 |
| foucist | probably want to differentiate between the intent of the search term, research vs doing-shit heh | 20:15 |
| @kanzure | oh, maybe capturing people who are doing material safety queries on particularly relevant chemicals | 20:16 |
| delinquentme_ | klafka, also told him about my cop happenings :D | 20:16 |
| @kanzure | "msds '4-'4-dimethoxytrityl" no queries.. | 20:17 |
| roksprok | what about people who search for relevant academic events | 20:18 |
| foucist | kanzure: yeah try advertising on it anyways.. search volume is too low for the tool to report anything.. but what you probably want to do is generate a huge list of keywords for that msds idea | 20:18 |
| foucist | with all sorts of variations etc | 20:18 |
| roksprok | like, dna synthesis conference | 20:18 |
| roksprok | or mashine learning conference 2012 | 20:18 |
| @kanzure | dna synthesis is too generic, you're not going to find transhumanists on that | 20:18 |
| foucist | kanzure: i.e. generate 10k keywords foo the msds | 20:18 |
| foucist | for* | 20:19 |
| @kanzure | foucist: is there a bulk upload? | 20:19 |
| @kanzure | roksprok: also, the other problem is that people who go to conferences might not be the people i want to target haha | 20:19 |
| foucist | yeah there's a downloadable adwords tool from google | 20:19 |
| roksprok | kanzure: good point | 20:19 |
| foucist | also you can import .csv into the online interface i think? | 20:19 |
| @kanzure | maybe by journal name or paper name | 20:19 |
| @kanzure | yeah, actually, by researcher name | 20:20 |
| @kanzure | so people who search for whiteside's nonsense or quake's pdms stuff | 20:20 |
| @kanzure | stephen quake is 1600/mo ish.. so it's measurable at least | 20:20 |
| foucist | kanzure: it actually might be more effective to focus on content display network, i.e. advertise on specific sites | 20:20 |
| foucist | and focus less on search/keywords | 20:20 |
| foucist | might be able to advertise on some of the research paper sites through adwords | 20:21 |
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| delinquentme_ | NIGHT LOVS | 20:42 |
| delinquentme_ | <3 | 20:42 |
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| n_bentha | d3nd3! | 21:31 |
| n_bentha | can u fly yet? | 21:31 |
| d3nd3 | yea, i'm coming to get you, take you to my nest and feed you to my litter | 21:32 |
| n_bentha | :O | 21:32 |
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| klafka | hey | 21:37 |
| @kanzure | hi klafka | 21:37 |
| klafka | we're not bonding because you're not interviewing with my company | 21:38 |
| klafka | idk if we can talk kanzure | 21:38 |
| klafka | :P | 21:38 |
| @kanzure | you can't afford me | 21:38 |
| klafka | it's true | 21:38 |
| klafka | we can't | 21:38 |
| klafka | if we had a senior eng position open maybe | 21:38 |
| @kanzure | welp at least you're honest | 21:38 |
| n_bentha | i'm a cell and molecular bio major, hire me! | 21:38 |
| klafka | i mean we're not looking for a position you'd want to fill | 21:38 |
| klafka | n_bentha HAH | 21:39 |
| klafka | do you at least know statistics? | 21:39 |
| @kanzure | klafka: your team is going to end up being all these weird biologists | 21:39 |
| klafka | LOL | 21:40 |
| n_bentha | klafka, of course i know statistics~! | 21:41 |
| n_bentha | i'm really good @ math | 21:41 |
| klafka | well that's not most mol and cel bio majors i know n_bentha | 21:42 |
| klafka | tell me when the central limit theorem does NOT apply | 21:42 |
| klafka | or some come times when it does not | 21:43 |
| klafka | *common | 21:43 |
| n_bentha | when the sample size is too small | 21:46 |
| n_bentha | or when u're dealing w/ the t-table instead of a z-table, right? | 21:47 |
| n_bentha | i was going to take cal3, but medschools change the requirements to stats | 21:47 |
| n_bentha | no yes maybe? | 21:58 |
| @kanzure | what? | 21:59 |
| n_bentha | the CLT...? | 21:59 |
| klafka | well actually CLT technically only implies in the infinite data limit :P | 22:02 |
| klafka | but yeah | 22:02 |
| klafka | also a z table is when you've just transformed an assumed gaussian distribution to be normal | 22:03 |
| klafka | a t-table is a student t distribution | 22:03 |
| klafka | anyway | 22:03 |
| klafka | kanzure do you know any robotics companies in the bay area? | 22:03 |
| klafka | n_bentha why are you looking for a job in a tech startup? | 22:03 |
| @kanzure | klafka: what type of robotics | 22:04 |
| @kanzure | because i could be a huge asshole and say "anybots" | 22:04 |
| @kanzure | which is questionable by most people's standards | 22:05 |
| klafka | systems integrations / engineering as well as like autonomous / vehicular | 22:05 |
| @kanzure | willow garage | 22:05 |
| klafka | a friend is a ms ce/ee grad from UIUC/CMU | 22:05 |
| @kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willow_Garage | 22:05 |
| klafka | ah got taht | 22:06 |
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| @kanzure | oh geeze"The two computers located in the base of the robot are 8-core servers with 24 Gigabytes of RAM for a total of 48 GB. The battery system consists of 16 laptop batteries." | 22:06 |
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| n_bentha | i'll be needin' a job soon, klafka. but i'ma try for medschool first | 22:09 |
| n_bentha | :O | 22:09 |
| klafka | oh | 22:09 |
| klafka | LOL | 22:10 |
| Stee| | n_bentha: have a fun next 10 years | 22:14 |
| n_bentha | i will | 22:15 |
| klafka | hmm kanzure any ideas other than willow garage | 22:18 |
| Mokbortolan_ | does anybody know a lot about the SMART program? | 22:18 |
| @kanzure | klafka: ask fenn, i think he might have a more thorough list | 22:19 |
| klafka | fiiiine | 22:19 |
| n_bentha | ya i heard of it | 22:20 |
| n_bentha | they say it's open to undergrads | 22:20 |
| n_bentha | but most ppl that are in it are in gradschool | 22:20 |
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| Stee| | lol | 22:45 |
| Stee| | someone in #LW got angry at me saying it wasn't the best board for every type of discussion ever | 22:46 |
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| foucist | i troll #lesswrong all the time | 22:53 |
| @kanzure | lesswrong is a cult, get over it | 22:59 |
| Stee| | it's funny dude | 22:59 |
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| @kanzure | hello noahj | 23:08 |
| noahj | Hey kanzure | 23:08 |
| noahj | It's been a long time | 23:08 |
| noahj | I tried piracetam somewhat recently and realised I don't have a good way to measure whether it's effective | 23:09 |
| noahj | The nootropics subreddit seems to indicate that this is a pretty common experience | 23:09 |
| Stee| | noahj: Try double n-backs? | 23:09 |
| noahj | I'll try those now and assume that's some sort of baseline | 23:11 |
| Stee| | it's better if you do it before pira, but if you start now then you should be okay | 23:12 |
| Stee| | you want to do it like 30 mins a day I think | 23:12 |
| Stee| | and then if your rate of improvement increases with pira/baseline, that MAY be an affect | 23:13 |
| noahj | I've been off it for a week or so now and I've noticed no negative effects | 23:13 |
| @kanzure | honestly, i'm really disappointed with most noots | 23:15 |
| @kanzure | n=1 is fine but we need effects that are 1000x not "it may or may not be 0.2x" | 23:15 |
| Stee| | rhodiola is one of the ones I've seen pretty universally have strong effects | 23:15 |
| yashgaroth | I found piracetam cost-effective just for destroying my tolerance to alcohol and caffeine | 23:16 |
| Stee| | It's useful to cycle your xanthines, as well | 23:16 |
| Stee| | yohimbine is a nice supplement, but it's noot properties are reduced | 23:17 |
| Stee| | Although my ADHD friends all swear by pira having an incredible affect on them (Molybdenum among them) | 23:17 |
| noahj | Piracetam killed my tolerance for caffeine too | 23:17 |
| noahj | I'm suspicious of rhodiola just because I don't see very much detail on it-- what're the active compounds? | 23:18 |
| Stee| | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhodiola_rosea#Phytochemicals_and_potential_health_effects | 23:18 |
| @kanzure | piracetam did not have a particularly strong effect on me (adhd) | 23:18 |
| Stee| | kanz, how long did you take it? | 23:19 |
| @kanzure | just once, hah | 23:19 |
| @kanzure | didn't care | 23:19 |
| Stee| | it's supposed to take ~6 weeks for full buildup | 23:19 |
| Stee| | oxi or noopept can (sometimes) kick in first time | 23:19 |
| @kanzure | oh i wasn't aware of the buildup timeline | 23:19 |
| @kanzure | makes sense to me | 23:19 |
| * kanzure sleeps | 23:20 | |
| Stee| | hmm | 23:20 |
| Stee| | I should check my bank account balance and work on my drink mix | 23:20 |
| @kanzure | "checking your bank account balance" is for poor people | 23:20 |
| @kanzure | pay someone else to do it | 23:20 |
| Stee| | someday soon | 23:21 |
| noahj | How much did you take? | 23:21 |
| Stee| | once these shackles of a degree are unlatched from my ankles | 23:21 |
| noahj | I took 3 grams, then 1g for a while, got bored and took 6g, then went back to 1g for a couple weeks, and then took 15g and then stopped | 23:21 |
| Stee| | 1g is really low | 23:21 |
| Stee| | 3g a day is a reasonable amount, I think that's what my mom does | 23:22 |
| noahj | At 3g I was getting much better dreams, but not much else | 23:22 |
| noahj | I basically just kept taking it for the dreams | 23:22 |
| Stee| | I have oxi for needing to get extra work done | 23:22 |
| noahj | Maybe I'll try another racetam | 23:23 |
| noahj | Piracetam seems like it's had the most research done on it | 23:23 |
| Stee| | ani and oxi have some | 23:25 |
| noahj | I know the one -not- to take is levitiracetam :-p | 23:27 |
| Stee| | Mokbortolan_ sells, tho he may be out of stock | 23:28 |
| noahj | It's time to make some brownies, I'll return in a while | 23:28 |
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| Mokbortolan_ | of what | 23:41 |
| Mokbortolan_ | I need to update my stock page :p | 23:42 |
| Mokbortolan_ | noahj: nefiracetam is another one you'll want to skip :p | 23:44 |
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