| --- Log opened Sun Feb 19 00:00:12 2012 | ||
| --- Day changed Sun Feb 19 2012 | ||
| kanzure | i sort of ignored that because xulrunner-9.0-dev keeps giving me problems (it's xulrunner-dev apparently) | 00:00 |
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| lkcl | ok install that, too. | 00:00 |
| kanzure | unpacking.. | 00:00 |
| lkcl | install xulrunner-dev too. it's a dummy package (i think) | 00:00 |
| kanzure | xulrunner-9.0-dev still doesn't exist :P | 00:00 |
| lkcl | that's probably a mistake in the packaging | 00:00 |
| lkcl | then grab it manually | 00:01 |
| kanzure | how big is xulrunner-dev anyway? | 00:01 |
| kanzure | it's taking a while to unpack | 00:01 |
| lkcl | don't arse about :) | 00:01 |
| lkcl | ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/pool/main/i/iceweasel/ | 00:01 |
| lkcl | ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/pool/main/i/iceweasel/xulrunner-dev_9.0.1-1_amd64.deb | 00:01 |
| lkcl | is 5mb | 00:01 |
| fenn | lkcl: are there any desktop applications using pyjamas yet? | 00:01 |
| lkcl | yeah 98% of the examples. | 00:02 |
| lkcl | there's a couple such as raphaeljs and the flashpanel example that don't work | 00:03 |
| lkcl | but i worked out a trick for interacting with javascript (yes, similar to the json hash idea you had) | 00:03 |
| lkcl | in fact, _identical_ to that idea :) | 00:03 |
| kanzure | the json hash thing is stupid | 00:03 |
| lkcl | ah no it's not. | 00:03 |
| kanzure | it's almost as bad as running a web server just to POST to | 00:03 |
| lkcl | *lol* | 00:03 |
| lkcl | i just implemented a JSON storage thing into a hidden iframe (!!) | 00:04 |
| lkcl | in pyjamas-desktop, in the picasaweb example. | 00:04 |
| lkcl | i'm planning to turn that into a generic method for executing (and, crucially, obtaining the return results of) javascript | 00:04 |
| lkcl | inside the web engine | 00:05 |
| lkcl | it's the only way. | 00:05 |
| lkcl | it's a bugger, huh? :) | 00:05 |
| lkcl | anyway - enough. | 00:05 |
| kanzure | you mean the local storage engine stuff in html5? | 00:05 |
| lkcl | no, i mean actually adding a <script > node | 00:05 |
| lkcl | which stores its return result as the HTML/Text in a hidden iframe! | 00:05 |
| kanzure | oh. i think webkit has an inject-and-run js thing that doesn't involve a script node | 00:06 |
| lkcl | from outside you have a timer monitoring (in python, this time) the exact same iframe | 00:06 |
| lkcl | waiting for the iframe's content to change! | 00:06 |
| kanzure | isn't it the evaluateJavascript function in webkit? | 00:06 |
| lkcl | well that's fine... as long as you don't mind not being able to gain access to the return result. | 00:07 |
| lkcl | and what about MSHTML? | 00:07 |
| lkcl | the MSHTML system doesn't *have* a javascript-evaluate function | 00:07 |
| kanzure | i don't support mshtml for some reason | 00:07 |
| kanzure | oh that's right, because it doesn't run on my platforms | 00:08 |
| lkcl | you should. you _can_ actually run it under wine :) | 00:08 |
| kanzure | bleh | 00:08 |
| lkcl | ha ha | 00:08 |
| kanzure | installing python-gtk2-dev dependencies | 00:08 |
| lkcl | if you need to double-check scraping from the viewpoint of IE, you're going to need to use it. | 00:08 |
| lkcl | anyway. enough. i really have to go | 00:08 |
| kanzure | alright | 00:08 |
| kanzure | thanks for the assists | 00:08 |
| lkcl | document this, ok! | 00:08 |
| kanzure | sure | 00:09 |
| lkcl | all right. have fun. | 00:09 |
| lkcl | night | 00:09 |
| * fenn blinks | 00:09 | |
| kanzure | hehe | 00:09 |
| fenn | this looks vaguely useful for ... something http://pyjs.org/examples/kitchensink/output/KitchenSink.html#Info | 00:10 |
| kanzure | the sencha kitchensink demo is pretty cool on mobile.. for a proprietary sdk i guess | 00:11 |
| fenn | nice documentation http://pyjs.org/examples/showcase/build/Showcase.html | 00:16 |
| kanzure | /bin/bash: /usr/lib/xulrunner-devel-9.0/bin/xpidl: No such file or directory | 00:16 |
| kanzure | make[2]: *** [hulahopAddCertException.xpt] Error 127 | 00:16 |
| kanzure | make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/bryan/local/sugar-hulahop/sugar-hulahop-0.8.1/build/2.6/components' | 00:16 |
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| fenn | xulrunner-1.9.2: /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9.2.10/xpidl | 00:19 |
| kanzure | where is xulrunner-1.9.2 from? | 00:20 |
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| fenn | um, nowhere | 00:21 |
| kanzure | eh? | 00:21 |
| kanzure | xulrunner seems to be 9.x | 00:21 |
| kanzure | xulrunner-dev is also 9.x series | 00:22 |
| fenn | it's just what i happened to have in apt-file | 00:22 |
| kanzure | wheezy? | 00:22 |
| fenn | google says " beginning with Version 9, the xpidl tool has been replaced with the python script, xulrunner/sdk/bin/xpidl.py" | 00:22 |
| fenn | ubuntu maverick | 00:22 |
| kanzure | well it's not drop-in compatible | 00:24 |
| kanzure | sudo ln -s /usr/lib/xulrunner-devel-9.0/sdk/bin/xpidl.py /usr/lib/xulrunner-devel-9.0/bin/xpidl | 00:24 |
| kanzure | Traceback (most recent call last): | 00:24 |
| kanzure | File "/usr/lib/xulrunner-devel-9.0/bin/xpidl", line 1414, in <module> | 00:24 |
| kanzure | p.parse(open(f).read(), filename=f) | 00:24 |
| kanzure | IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '-m' | 00:24 |
| kanzure | /usr/lib/xulrunner-devel-9.0/bin/xpidl -m typelib -w -v -I /usr/lib/xulrunner-devel-9.0/idl -e hulahopAddCertException.xpt /home/bryan/local/sugar-hulahop/sugar-hulahop-0.8.1/./components/hulahopAddCertException.idl | 00:25 |
| kanzure | why does this need to be compiled? | 00:26 |
| kanzure | "According to the Centers for Disease Control (CDC), since 1973, roughly 50 million legal induced abortions have been performed in the United States" | 00:39 |
| kanzure | i wonder why cdc tracks that.. other than there being no other obvious govt body to do it | 00:39 |
| yashgaroth | parasitology :V | 00:42 |
| * kanzure nods | 00:43 | |
| yashgaroth | but yeah you'd think HHS would track that | 00:45 |
| kanzure | yashgaroth: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bio/protocol_files.txt | 00:46 |
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| kanzure | see anything you like? | 00:48 |
| * yashgaroth reads | 00:49 | |
| kanzure | /home/bryan/local/sugar-hulahop/sugar-hulahop-0.8.1/./src/hulahop.cpp:28:21: fatal error: PyXPCOM.h: No such file or directory | 00:50 |
| kanzure | python-xpcom : Depends: python (< 2.7) but 2.7.2-10 is to be installed | 00:53 |
| kanzure | well that's a stupid dependency | 00:53 |
| kanzure | so how does this work anyway? i already have python2.6 installed | 00:55 |
| yashgaroth | HPLC of Peptides and Proteins looked good but I just found the pdf online while looking into it | 00:58 |
| kanzure | pkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of python-xpcom: | 01:02 |
| kanzure | python-xpcom depends on python (<< 2.7); however: | 01:02 |
| kanzure | Version of python on system is 2.7.2-10. | 01:02 |
| kanzure | except i have python2.6 available.. | 01:02 |
| kanzure | this doesn't seem to work: sudo dpkg -i python-xpcom.deb --ignore-depends=python | 01:03 |
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| kanzure | --force-depends | 01:13 |
| kanzure | /home/bryan/local/sugar-hulahop/sugar-hulahop-0.8.1/./src/hulahop.cpp:71:58: In function 'gboolean hulahop_startup()': error: 'XRE_InitEmbedding2' was not declared in this scope | 01:14 |
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| fenn | “Despite the best efforts of the Libertarian Party and the Tea Party, the USA is still unfortunately dominated by and divided between religious fucktards and Communist fucktards. Neither is friendly to Transhumanist interests, nor is any other country” | 01:19 |
| kanzure | "XRE_InitEmbedding2Type is introduced in (not yet released) Gecko 2.0. You can fetch prerelease from" http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/xulrunner/nightly/latest-mozilla-central/ | 01:19 |
| kanzure | erm.. so what is XRE_InitEmbedding2Type doing in here if this was from 18 months ago? | 01:20 |
| fenn | i thought you were using xulrunner, not gecko | 01:21 |
| kanzure | isn't it all based on gecko? | 01:21 |
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| fenn | well this is a cute plan http://www.meetup.com/Transhumanists/events/17449871/ | 01:24 |
| kanzure | bleh now apt-get is always complaining about my old version of python-xpcom which depends on an old version of python | 01:24 |
| fenn | of course if nobody's willing to go to san jose, they aren't going to be willing to go to sudan | 01:25 |
| fenn | what's the goal with hulahop again? | 01:25 |
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| kanzure | http://pyxpcomext.mozdev.org/no_wrap/tutorials/hulahop/xpcom-hulahop.html | 01:26 |
| kanzure | see the _loaded method | 01:26 |
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| yashgaroth | fenn - you mean the hala'ib triangle? | 01:28 |
| fenn | i suppose so | 01:29 |
| fenn | "an unclaimed patch of land between egypt and sudan" | 01:29 |
| fenn | but look at what happened with burning man | 01:29 |
| kanzure | it became popular? | 01:29 |
| fenn | going to the middle of nowhere to do fun stuff doesn't work as a long term plan | 01:29 |
| fenn | the "burning man organization" now officially has a "law enforcement appreciation day" | 01:30 |
| kanzure | i wonder if i have my 'colonize the attacama desert' plans laying around | 01:30 |
| kanzure | oh btw that guy is in sf fenn | 01:30 |
| fenn | luke leighton? | 01:30 |
| kanzure | no the calx-ist stuff | 01:31 |
| kanzure | 'colonize the attacama desert' | 01:31 |
| fenn | right | 01:31 |
| kanzure | i think he heads back to somewhere come march | 01:31 |
| fenn | let's propose it to startupchile and see if they'll give us $40k to jump start it :P | 01:31 |
| kanzure | $40k is crap.. | 01:32 |
| fenn | come on, it would be hilarious | 01:32 |
| kanzure | it would be funnier if startupchile also did a voting process | 01:32 |
| kanzure | then we'd have all the seasteaders voting on that one | 01:32 |
| fenn | ok so hulahop gets you access to javascript methods from python [y/n] | 01:33 |
| fenn | erf | 01:33 |
| fenn | dom-altering methods | 01:33 |
| kanzure | yes | 01:34 |
| fenn | i dont get it | 01:34 |
| fenn | the whole point was to be able to do js calls | 01:34 |
| fenn | otherwise you can use beautifulsoup | 01:34 |
| kanzure | the point is to access the DOM, actually | 01:34 |
| fenn | beautifulsoup lets you do that, no? | 01:34 |
| kanzure | executing the page's js is a nice bonus | 01:34 |
| kanzure | not quite- it's just parsing the page's content | 01:35 |
| fenn | how is that different? | 01:35 |
| kanzure | the DOM is a horrible hack and somewhat dynamic throughout the existence of a loaded page | 01:35 |
| kanzure | i don't understand why the example on http://pyxpcomext.mozdev.org/no_wrap/tutorials/hulahop/xpcom-hulahop.html | 01:36 |
| kanzure | uses xpcom at all. | 01:36 |
| fenn | blah how do people get paid for this kind of journalism http://www.businessinsider.com/this-san-francisco-mansion-is-where-peter-thiels-genius-kids-party-and-plot-2012-1#the-secret-hangouts-of-silicon-valley-vcs-24 | 01:42 |
| fenn | er, http://www.businessinsider.com/this-san-francisco-mansion-is-where-peter-thiels-genius-kids-party-and-plot-2012-1 | 01:43 |
| fenn | anyway | 01:43 |
| kanzure | genius kids haha | 01:44 |
| kanzure | where is libxpcom.so | 01:44 |
| fenn | kiselev is pretty smart, dunno about the others | 01:45 |
| kanzure | tyrant_? what is his latest scheme | 01:45 |
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| fenn | um, writing a better GUI for pipetbots i guess | 01:46 |
| kanzure | uhuh.. | 01:46 |
| kanzure | why does that need a gui? | 01:46 |
| fenn | he's trying to put together a $10k robot but i don't really see the point | 01:46 |
| fenn | oh, it's not the GUI that's important | 01:46 |
| kanzure | wasn't that your idea | 01:46 |
| fenn | it's jailbreaking the existing equipment from their awful interfaces | 01:47 |
| kanzure | eh. okay.. didn't jonathan do that ok for tecan without a gui? | 01:47 |
| fenn | no my idea is a $1k robot | 01:47 |
| fenn | and yes cline already did it, sort of | 01:47 |
| kanzure | i mean a cpan module is miles ahead of any shit-tastic gui | 01:47 |
| JayDugger | Good morning, everyone. | 01:47 |
| kanzure | for one tecan machine.. that nobody has | 01:47 |
| fenn | the gui is just to make it palatable as a product | 01:47 |
| fenn | hey! cheaters http://www.businessinsider.com/these-ex-facebook-guys-want-to-help-you-find-cheaper-drugs-2012-2 | 01:50 |
| JayDugger | That interests me, and it has immediate practical applications. | 01:51 |
| JayDugger | Thank you, fenn. | 01:51 |
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| fenn | gosh, prescription drugs are stupidly expensive | 01:53 |
| fenn | think i'll stick to untested research chemicals | 01:54 |
| kanzure | yeah they are pretty close to the price point where it's cheaper to build a lab | 01:54 |
| JayDugger | My wife and I would have kept living in sin, if not for my employer's superior insurance. | 01:54 |
| JayDugger | If you judge prescription drugs expensive, go shop for wedding rings. | 01:54 |
| fenn | wedding rings are supposed to be expensive though | 01:54 |
| JayDugger | Yes, I know...believe me. | 01:55 |
| fenn | it's like "i love you *this* much" where $this = $50k | 01:55 |
| kanzure | i wonder if you can participate in a foreign clinical trial while still in the us | 01:55 |
| kanzure | can you just send your non-patent-rent-seeking drugs overseas, and participate in your own drug trial? | 01:55 |
| fenn | that's a good question | 01:55 |
| JayDugger | $50,000? Why can't I just give up a rib? | 01:56 |
| fenn | the rib would be rejected ... by her immune system | 01:56 |
| JayDugger | Quiet! I like that fairy tale. ;) | 01:56 |
| yashgaroth | I'm pretty sure that violates the whole principle of blinding a study | 01:56 |
| fenn | supposedly people who smell good to you are more histocompatible | 01:56 |
| kanzure | fenn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOKbMW2uqs8 | 01:57 |
| kanzure | dethsupport | 01:57 |
| yashgaroth | make the rib into a ring; you can call it the ribbing | 01:57 |
| yashgaroth | women love ribbing | 01:57 |
| kanzure | something something about it costing too much | 01:57 |
| JayDugger | Hmm...I think rebuilding the heirloom ring will cost less. | 01:58 |
| fenn | goodrx doesn't have any of the drugs i want | 01:59 |
| JayDugger | Goodrx doesn't appear to save me anmoney on Vyvanse nor Adderal. | 01:59 |
| JayDugger | Adderall, rather | 01:59 |
| fenn | yeah, they want $106 for 30 tablets of modafinil | 01:59 |
| kanzure | and then there's the adderall shortage | 02:00 |
| kanzure | although i've found i am still paying about the same ($200/mo ish) | 02:00 |
| kanzure | well, 150.. but still. | 02:00 |
| fenn | what dosage is that? | 02:00 |
| kanzure | 30mg xr | 02:00 |
| fenn | 30mg per day? | 02:01 |
| fenn | walgreens has it for way less than that | 02:01 |
| kanzure | no that's non-xr | 02:01 |
| JayDugger | And do you fin a real difference between the name brand and the generic? | 02:01 |
| kanzure | the generic also costs that much | 02:01 |
| JayDugger | Not where I live, according to GoodRX. | 02:02 |
| fenn | hm ok | 02:02 |
| kanzure | are you sure you're looking at xr? | 02:02 |
| fenn | XR is $151 | 02:02 |
| JayDugger | Yes. The difference is only about $20. | 02:02 |
| kanzure | and then $10-$15 for 20mg normal tablets | 02:02 |
| fenn | cant you just take a bunch of little tablets? | 02:03 |
| fenn | or chop them up | 02:03 |
| JayDugger | Weird. I thought airline tickets had weird prices, but pills have those beat. | 02:03 |
| kanzure | man i don't even remember to eat | 02:03 |
| fenn | make a cybernetic parrot | 02:03 |
| kanzure | i don't want distractions | 02:03 |
| kanzure | i kill distractions | 02:03 |
| JayDugger | Adopt a parrot. | 02:03 |
| fenn | sits on your shoulder and feeds you | 02:03 |
| kanzure | well what i should really do is order it online | 02:04 |
| JayDugger | Yeah. And finish drugstack. | 02:04 |
| kanzure | hmm | 02:05 |
| kanzure | goodrx is claiming 10mg xr for $35 | 02:05 |
| kanzure | "Walgreens offers a for-pay ($20/year individual; $35/year family) plan which reduces prices on some common medications. Only plan members can get these discounts." | 02:05 |
| kanzure | this is stupid spamvertisement | 02:05 |
| fenn | weird copy text on this site http://www.howitookthisphoto.com/ | 02:05 |
| fenn | its like they didn't quite get the point of reverse psychology | 02:06 |
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| kanzure | there's tons of pill pushing seo stuff out there | 02:06 |
| kanzure | since lots of online pharmacies have affiliate marketing programs | 02:06 |
| JayDugger | Oh? I didn't know that... | 02:06 |
| kanzure | yeah just check on clickbank or other spam houses | 02:07 |
| kanzure | "Upto 40% commission on making sales below $10000" | 02:07 |
| kanzure | anyway lots of it is spam and i haven't taken the time to sort out the good stuff | 02:08 |
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| archels | kanzure: wake up | 07:16 |
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| delinquentme | HOWDAH | 07:56 |
| mag1strate | whats up? | 07:57 |
| delinquentme | kicking ass :D | 07:58 |
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| mag1strate | nice im just snappin necks and cashin checks as usual | 08:03 |
| delinquentme | ^^^ | 08:03 |
| delinquentme | what you hacking on? | 08:03 |
| delinquentme | are you in silicon valley :D? | 08:03 |
| mag1strate | im not in SV lol | 08:03 |
| mag1strate | Im still in school | 08:03 |
| mag1strate | have a year and this semester left | 08:03 |
| mag1strate | what have you been up to? | 08:05 |
| delinquentme | lots of interviewing | 08:09 |
| delinquentme | (anal rapee-ing) | 08:09 |
| mag1strate | how are those going? | 08:09 |
| n_bentha | haha interviews are fun | 08:09 |
| mag1strate | where did you get interviews? | 08:12 |
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| delinquentme | they're just spiffy | 08:42 |
| delinquentme | few places out in SV | 08:42 |
| delinquentme | one that I reallllyyy want but I worry if they're going to pay market value for rails kids | 08:42 |
| delinquentme | im hella hoping they are | 08:42 |
| mag1strate | what is the usual market value | 08:44 |
| kanzure | 90k+/year | 08:48 |
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| n_bentha | what are rails kids? | 08:52 |
| kanzure | he just calls everyone kids | 08:57 |
| kanzure | http://www.bilconference.com/videos/garage-level-biomedical-research-john-schloendorn/ | 09:01 |
| kanzure | "People tell me I have too much time on my hands, but really the problem is that there's too much time, PERIOD." | 09:05 |
| bkero | kanzure: maybe you need a wider scope then | 09:07 |
| ParahSailin__ | heh schloendorn, i've met that guy a couple times | 09:09 |
| kanzure | i haven't watched the video | 09:09 |
| kanzure | what is it? | 09:09 |
| kanzure | i've met him too | 09:10 |
| ParahSailin__ | shit i just commented on the url | 09:10 |
| ParahSailin__ | its kind of annoying to hear him talk tbh | 09:10 |
| kanzure | well i don't know what he can possibly say that's new | 09:10 |
| ParahSailin__ | he got sweet thiel money though | 09:10 |
| kanzure | yes he went corporate | 09:10 |
| kanzure | the title of the video is "Garage Level Biomedical Research Effort Is Taking on Death" | 09:11 |
| kanzure | how is it garage level with his level of funding! | 09:11 |
| chris_99 | as long as its still in a garage ;) | 09:11 |
| ParahSailin__ | i think google's 20 percent rule is a good one, applicable to bio folks too | 09:14 |
| ParahSailin__ | you should not be 100 % dependent on rich fools for doing the wacky stuff, have regular income in something immediately commercial | 09:15 |
| kanzure | imho the rich fools haven't been funding the important things in transhumanism | 09:15 |
| ParahSailin__ | when i start a lab, i will make it support itself first with cell line banking, protein production etc | 09:15 |
| kanzure | why is it that pete didn't fund biocurious? besides the fact that the management team of biocurious all hates each other | 09:16 |
| kanzure | *all hate each other | 09:16 |
| ParahSailin__ | was schloe originally wiht biocurious? | 09:17 |
| kanzure | umm there's a long and complicated history | 09:17 |
| ParahSailin__ | in between sens and immunepath | 09:17 |
| ParahSailin__ | yah i didnt really pay much attention | 09:17 |
| kanzure | the answer seems to be "he claims (perhaps rightfully so) that he was part of a thing that was pre-biocurious but there was a split" | 09:17 |
| kanzure | back when they were livly. | 09:18 |
| delinquentme | more assholes on HN talking shit about wanting to die | 09:19 |
| delinquentme | " humans invented religion as a coping mechanism for death " #FeelsGoodMan | 09:19 |
| delinquentme | #FuckingQuoteMe | 09:20 |
| kanzure | yawn who cares | 09:20 |
| kanzure | you can't save them at the moment. | 09:21 |
| kanzure | so i suggest you either get back to work on that particular problem, or stfu | 09:21 |
| kanzure | well, stfu concerning the religion | 09:21 |
| delinquentme | perhaps theres .... | 09:21 |
| delinquentme | use in starting fires over it | 09:22 |
| delinquentme | at least it will become something discussed | 09:22 |
| kanzure | this theory that "More discussion leads to more action" does not seem to be a strong one | 09:22 |
| kanzure | :/ | 09:22 |
| ParahSailin__ | what hn | 09:22 |
| ParahSailin__ | whats | 09:23 |
| kanzure | http://news.ycombinator.com/ | 09:23 |
| n_bentha | yes no more religion here, plz | 09:23 |
| ybit | how are the rubber soles of shoes made | 09:27 |
| ParahSailin__ | hackernews ah | 09:29 |
| ParahSailin__ | i think it would be cool to print shoe soles with reprap or other 3d printer | 09:30 |
| n_bentha | soles or inserts? | 09:30 |
| ParahSailin__ | personalize foot protection | 09:30 |
| ParahSailin__ | the whole sole | 09:31 |
| ThomasEgi | hm. doesnt rubber need to go through a vulcanisation process? | 09:33 |
| ThomasEgi | would guess that printing molds for it would be a bit more promising | 09:34 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, I think at least IMO that when you can incite people into emotionally charged discussion | 09:39 |
| delinquentme | you get to fuck with the *core issues* more and you get people who are viscerally involved in the discussion | 09:39 |
| delinquentme | THAT leads to people considering heavy shit | 09:40 |
| delinquentme | that eventually leads to action | 09:40 |
| ParahSailin__ | http://www.reddit.com/r/Objectivism/comments/pve3u/empathy_challenge/ you guys think this is a worthwhile exercise? | 09:45 |
| kanzure | oobjectivism?d | 09:45 |
| kanzure | ereqidsklafasdjfas | 09:45 |
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| kanzure | i don't understand all your red-highlight text | 09:46 |
| kanzure | what are you trying to argue? | 09:47 |
| ParahSailin__ | well there's a tendency to talk past people who dont agree with you, the purpose of the exercise is just to deconstruct why that person holds a belief | 09:48 |
| kanzure | and your question is whether or not that 'why' is a useful thing to ever do? | 09:48 |
| ParahSailin__ | maybe the spoiler tags are a bit superfluous | 09:49 |
| rkos | of course empathizing is worthwhile, in its simplest terms think of the nash equilibrium, if you can understand your enemy you can get to a much more favorable end result than by ignoring your enemy | 09:49 |
| ParahSailin__ | well, im wondering if that's a good exercise for promoting more effective communication | 09:49 |
| rkos | well i guess it just depends on whether communication with your rival can produce more benefit than whatever benefit you get from making the symbolic gesture of not communicating with them and just mocking them etc. | 09:53 |
| kanzure | also i should point out that scaling communication to communicate with everyone is pretty hard | 09:54 |
| kanzure | i've been writing software to help myself do that | 09:54 |
| kanzure | http://quantifiedself.com/2011/08/bryan-bishop-on-meetlog/ | 09:55 |
| ParahSailin__ | most of the people in there have trouble at the one on one scale | 09:55 |
| kanzure | yeah i mean "with everyone that you meet" | 09:56 |
| ParahSailin__ | ah :) | 09:57 |
| ParahSailin__ | that link does not work for some reason | 09:57 |
| kanzure | quantifiedself.com seems to be down | 09:57 |
| kanzure | well whatever- it's just some stuff about this tool i've been building | 09:57 |
| kanzure | where i log every conversation with tags and who was involved | 09:57 |
| kanzure | and then do analysis on top of this dataset | 09:58 |
| ParahSailin__ | tell me more about "tracking every social interaction" | 09:59 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/meetlog/ | 09:59 |
| rkos | why doesnt that site load for me? i mean the quantifiedself one | 09:59 |
| kanzure | i thik they stopped paying their bills | 10:00 |
| ParahSailin__ | what are these charts | 10:01 |
| kanzure | some old graphs of number of people per day | 10:01 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/meetlog/2009-07-01_to_2010-02-12-lines.png | 10:02 |
| ParahSailin__ | so its to help you remember conversations? | 10:03 |
| kanzure | yes and to remember who i've talked with about certain topics | 10:04 |
| kanzure | my common example is that when my mom met fenn she asked "what's transhumanism?" | 10:04 |
| kanzure | which was really bizarre because transhumanism is pretty important to me, and i thought my mom knew | 10:04 |
| kanzure | but apparently i had completely neglected to mention anything vaguely transhumanist to her | 10:04 |
| Urchin | telling about transhumanism to my mother was one of my major mistakes | 10:05 |
| kanzure | well for instance she wanted to know why i was director of r&d of "humanity+" | 10:06 |
| kanzure | ParahSailin__: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/meetlog/people/joseph_jackson.html | 10:06 |
| kanzure | this folder has some other data- tag clouds | 10:06 |
| kanzure | i guess i should do it for people in here | 10:06 |
| kanzure | fenn - http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/meetlog/people/ben_lipkowitz.html | 10:06 |
| kanzure | JayDugger - http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/meetlog/people/jay_dugger.html | 10:06 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk - http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/meetlog/people/joe_rayhawk.html | 10:06 |
| ParahSailin__ | isnt transcending biology a distinguishing feature of being human? | 10:08 |
| ParahSailin__ | why do we need a word transhuman | 10:09 |
| kanzure | dunno | 10:09 |
| ParahSailin__ | its the same in principle to wear clothes to make up for lack of fur or to put electrodes in the brain to make up for deficiency in linear computing ability | 10:10 |
| ParahSailin__ | i think we're ridiculously far away from anything these "transhumanists" want to do | 10:13 |
| ParahSailin__ | as a side note | 10:13 |
| kanzure | there's all sorts of transhumanist projects already working | 10:14 |
| chris_99 | guess you peeps have seen this http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-16811042 | 10:14 |
| n_bentha | i wonder what will happen when the psychiatrists 'listen' to the voices in your head | 10:42 |
| chris_99 | haha thats a scary thought | 10:42 |
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| delinquentme | BACK | 10:49 |
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| delinquentme | OMG delinquentme I MISSED u SO! | 10:49 |
| * delinquentme pats himself on the back | 10:49 | |
| kanzure | are you two alright | 10:49 |
| delinquentme | we thinks ok | 10:50 |
| delinquentme | but i AM getting down w this newfound skrillex | 10:50 |
| delinquentme | so micnasty | 10:50 |
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| mag1strate | delinquentme: have you never heard of skrillex before? | 11:31 |
| delinquentme | mag1strate, ha! | 11:34 |
| delinquentme | hes awesome isnt he | 11:34 |
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| kanzure | hi ParahSailin__ | 11:34 |
| ParahSailin_ | howdy | 11:35 |
| mag1strate | delinqentme: he is ok | 11:38 |
| mag1strate | there are a lot better dubstep bands | 11:38 |
| mag1strate | but most of it kind of sucks :/ | 11:38 |
| mag1strate | his new album is terrible though | 11:38 |
| mag1strate | He has a really good one, but then the others have not been up to par. | 11:38 |
| mag1strate | Try bassnectar | 11:39 |
| kanzure | GConf Error: Failed to contact configuration server; the most common cause is a missing or misconfigured D-Bus session bus daemon. See http://projects.gnome.org/gconf/ for information. (Details - 1: Failed to get connection to session: /usr/bin/dbus-launch terminated abnormally without any error message) | 11:39 |
| kanzure | is that bad? | 11:39 |
| kanzure | i can't really tell | 11:39 |
| mag1strate | he has so pretty good stuff | 11:39 |
| mag1strate | kanzure | 11:39 |
| mag1strate | kanzure: how did you get that error message? | 11:39 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/hulahop/ | 11:40 |
| kanzure | python2.6 hula.py | 11:40 |
| mag1strate | what OS are you running? | 11:41 |
| kanzure | debian | 11:41 |
| mag1strate | Do you have all the correct dependences for python | 11:42 |
| delinquentme | mag1strate, kyoto | 11:47 |
| delinquentme | the big reindeer is tryna bite yo d!ck off | 11:47 |
| mag1strate | lol | 11:47 |
| mag1strate | kanzure: this error could be from the file calling for a different server. | 11:47 |
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| mag1strate | kanzure: Or you need to make sure that Dbus is running or working | 11:50 |
| mag1strate | kanzure: if not try running hte command dbus-launch to assist | 11:50 |
| kanzure | it doesn't seem to matter. | 11:56 |
| kanzure | seems to be working fine | 11:56 |
| mag1strate | ill try to look some more to see what the problem is | 12:02 |
| Moly_Bdenum | bassnectar isn't dubstep. | 12:19 |
| delinquentme | do we have any java wizards in here? | 12:25 |
| delinquentme | i've been beating my head against this java issue forevs | 12:25 |
| kanzure | *sigh* yes i'll help you with some java | 12:25 |
| kanzure | what's up? | 12:25 |
| Urchin | tried not using java? | 12:25 |
| delinquentme | I'm trying to use jython to feed a string into a java.class file | 12:27 |
| chris_99 | why not just use python then? | 12:28 |
| Urchin | you're feeding it into an actual file on your hard drive? | 12:28 |
| delinquentme | http://pastie.org/3416215 | 12:28 |
| delinquentme | chris_99, the lib I need to use is written in java | 12:29 |
| chris_99 | aha | 12:29 |
| kanzure | doesn't that mean you should be using jpype? | 12:29 |
| kanzure | "JPype is an effort to allow python programs full access to java class libraries." | 12:30 |
| kanzure | jython is to embed python into java programs | 12:30 |
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| delinquentme | if you've got a simpler way to do it | 12:30 |
| kanzure | check out jpype. | 12:30 |
| Urchin | I thought jython was meant as an implementation of python in jvm | 12:30 |
| kanzure | Urchin: right.. | 12:30 |
| kanzure | delinquentme: also, what is this supposed to be? | 12:31 |
| kanzure | i think you should just openbabel for chemistry in python | 12:31 |
| kanzure | http://openbabel.org/wiki/Python | 12:31 |
| delinquentme | this is the OSCAR-4 | 12:32 |
| kanzure | http://openbabel.org/docs/2.3.0/UseTheLibrary/Python_Pybel.html | 12:32 |
| delinquentme | this is not a chemical prose parser | 12:32 |
| kanzure | hmmm | 12:32 |
| delinquentme | i want human spiel >> codified chemical formula | 12:32 |
| kanzure | what is a spiel? | 12:33 |
| delinquentme | human gibberish | 12:33 |
| delinquentme | like NLP | 12:33 |
| delinquentme | human gibberish >> NLP >> codified machine comprehensible | 12:33 |
| kanzure | and what format is this gibberish in | 12:33 |
| delinquentme | "To a solution of 3-bromobenzophenone (1.00 g, 4 mmol) in MeOH (15 mL) was added sodium borohydride (0.3 mL, 8 mmol) portionwise at rt and the suspension was stirred at rt for 1-24 h. The reaction was diluted slowly with water and extracted with CH2Cl2. The organic layer was washed successively with water, brine, dried over Na2SO4, and concentrated to give the title compound as oil (0.8 g, 79%), which was used in the next reaction without fur | 12:34 |
| Urchin | NLP just gives more gibberish | 12:34 |
| delinquentme | ther purification. MS (ESI, pos. ion) m/z: 247.1 (M-OH)." | 12:34 |
| kanzure | ok and what output do you want frmo that | 12:34 |
| kanzure | *from | 12:34 |
| delinquentme | _FUCK__ IDEs | 12:35 |
| delinquentme | lovely | 12:47 |
| delinquentme | restart it and it now behaves | 12:47 |
| Urchin | emacs rules! | 12:48 |
| Urchin | http://www.dina.dk/~abraham/religion/ | 12:49 |
| delinquentme | http://pastie.org/3416339 <, so this is what the output is supposed to look like | 12:51 |
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| delinquentme | I *think* that im breaking out of a loop somewhere as I get the first bits of that | 12:51 |
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| kanzure | hmm http://www.scienceagainstaging.org/Books/Booklet_25_ENG.pdf | 13:10 |
| chris_99 | does anyone know of a simple introduction to transgenic plants | 13:19 |
| kanzure | Jones_H._Plant_Gene_Transfer_and_Expression_Protocols_(1995)(en)(462s).pdf | 13:20 |
| kanzure | Plant Cell Culture Protocols 2nd ed [Methods in Molec Bio 318] - V. Loyola-Vargas, F. Vasquez-Flota (Humana, 2006) WW.pdf | 13:20 |
| chris_99 | cheers :) | 13:21 |
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| delinquentme | FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK | 13:37 |
| delinquentme | YESSSSSSSSSSSSs | 13:37 |
| delinquentme | i need to gloat | 13:38 |
| delinquentme | http://pastie.org/3416582 | 13:39 |
| delinquentme | BREAK | 13:45 |
| delinquentme | shit | 13:45 |
| delinquentme | where do I go now | 13:45 |
| delinquentme | It works! i could clean the code up .. I could see what these little errors are | 13:45 |
| delinquentme | whoooo knowssss | 13:45 |
| delinquentme | <3 see u guys later :D | 13:50 |
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| kanzure | http://citizensciencequarterly.com/shop/csq-volume-01-pdf/ | 14:49 |
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| kanzure | yeah i'm not sure why this isn't suicient | 16:38 |
| kanzure | sufficient | 16:39 |
| kanzure | http://blog.motane.lu/2009/07/07/downloading-a-pages-content-with-python-and-webkit/ | 16:39 |
| bkero | http://bke.ro/2012/02/20/downloading-a-pages-content-with-wget/ | 16:40 |
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| kanzure | bkero: wget ain't doing javascript | 16:50 |
| bkero | ah yea | 16:50 |
| bkero | that's true | 16:50 |
| kanzure | bkero: http://phantomjs.org/ | 16:51 |
| bkero | kanzure: seen it before, still haven't figured out how I would use it. | 16:53 |
| kanzure | bkero: like so http://nrabinowitz.github.com/pjscrape/#quickstart | 16:53 |
| bkero | That's kind of cool | 16:54 |
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| kanzure | fenn: who is austen | 19:33 |
| kanzure | or cambrian | 19:33 |
| foucist | cambrian explosion | 19:34 |
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| kanzure | foucist: nah i think it's some company | 19:40 |
| kanzure | about dna synthesis | 19:40 |
| eudoxia | Cambrian Genomics? | 19:47 |
| eudoxia | their site is really underwhelming | 19:48 |
| yashgaroth | ooh george church | 19:58 |
| kanzure | having george church on your board of advisors is like indicating that you breath oxygen | 19:59 |
| yashgaroth | haha | 19:59 |
| yashgaroth | well they are in san diego, according to the phone number that is their entire site | 19:59 |
| kanzure | would you be willing to go poke your head into their building and see what's up? | 20:02 |
| kanzure | if you want, you can use my name for that purpose | 20:02 |
| yashgaroth | sure, if you can find their building | 20:02 |
| kanzure | fenn: whereeee | 20:02 |
| yashgaroth | tbh the whole "lasers!" thing seems silly, but I'm sure they're not directly using them for the elongation | 20:04 |
| kanzure | they are pivoting to an oligo synthesis thing | 20:05 |
| kanzure | oh their site really *is* underwhelming. geeze. | 20:06 |
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| kanzure | fenn: http://www.archive.org/details/marc_loc_updates | 20:19 |
| kanzure | "Cataloging Distribution Service" | 20:20 |
| kanzure | from 2008? | 20:23 |
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| kanzure | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igqv5dtiv6g "$0.15 Microfluidic Cuvette made with acrylic and sticky tape" | 20:41 |
| yottabit | kanzure: i just stalked you on the interwebs | 21:07 |
| yottabit | a search for "kanzure@gmail.com" gave a result: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SC4Lre59kbg | 21:07 |
| yottabit | i have no reason why that is | 21:08 |
| yashgaroth | best video I've seen all day | 21:09 |
| kanzure | because a related video is 'matra datavision' | 21:12 |
| kanzure | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5C6-J3xpjA | 21:13 |
| yottabit | derp, didn't think to search for "kanzure" on the page | 21:13 |
| * yottabit should have his stalking automated | 21:15 | |
| kanzure | my footprint is too large to be properly stalked | 21:15 |
| * yottabit proposes autostal.kr on #startups | 21:17 | |
| yashgaroth | just integrate micropayments and a price comparison aggregator somehow and you'll be rolling in cash | 21:18 |
| yashgaroth | it's totally web 4.0 or whatever version we're up to now | 21:20 |
| kanzure | html5 | 21:20 |
| kanzure | and chrome18 | 21:20 |
| * yottabit wonders what came of backyard brains + startup chile | 21:21 | |
| yottabit | their site looks the same | 21:21 |
| kanzure | joseph is back in sunnyvale from his startup chile adventure | 21:22 |
| kanzure | backyard brains might also be back | 21:22 |
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| yottabit | "10,434 First Time Spikers" + more equipment since last emai | 21:30 |
| yottabit | http://backyardbrains.com/Order.aspx | 21:30 |
| yottabit | good stuff | 21:31 |
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| ParahSailin__ | whats going on in chile | 21:53 |
| kanzure | startup chile | 21:55 |
| kanzure | joseph jackson (biocurious) applied and got in for lavaamp (meh) | 21:55 |
| kanzure | backyard brains got in | 21:55 |
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| ParahSailin__ | looks interesting | 21:56 |
| ParahSailin__ | id somewhat like to get out of the states | 21:57 |
| kanzure | startup chile has a few issues that you should be aware of | 21:57 |
| kanzure | first they don't give you that much money | 21:57 |
| kanzure | from what i've been told they don't actually give you the money | 21:57 |
| kanzure | but instead have this reimbursement system where you send in receipts that you document | 21:57 |
| ParahSailin__ | good to know | 21:58 |
| ParahSailin__ | heh fuck yah, japanese people just mailed out the plasmid with ecori system | 22:06 |
| yashgaroth | ecori expressing plasmid you mean? | 22:08 |
| ParahSailin__ | the wild plasmid that expresses the restriction and methylation enzymes | 22:11 |
| ParahSailin__ | kanzure, thanks for pointing out that startupchile thing | 22:21 |
| kanzure | ParahSailin__: you didn't know about hackernews the other day, so maybe you'd like to know about http://ycombinator.com/ | 22:27 |
| kanzure | or techstars or something. i don't know, standard crap goes here. http://angel.co/ | 22:27 |
| ParahSailin__ | i was aware of hackernews, just not familiar enough for hn to be recognized instantly | 22:30 |
| kanzure | alright | 22:30 |
| ParahSailin__ | i might just go after breakoutlabs with my number 2 idea | 22:35 |
| kanzure | their deal just seems really bad | 22:39 |
| kanzure | you should consider hitting up traditional biotech vc first | 22:39 |
| yashgaroth | traditional vc is pretty vampiric | 22:41 |
| ParahSailin__ | thats why i'd give them my number 2 idea | 22:42 |
| ParahSailin__ | well im not that aware of the vc scene, what are some traditional biotech vc's | 22:43 |
| yashgaroth | a lot of it these days is subdivisions of big pharma companies | 22:45 |
| kanzure | there's just a long list of biotech vc firms in the bay area and boston | 22:46 |
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| Steel2 | kanzure, do you keep ##hplusroadmap traffic over time stats anywhere? | 23:41 |
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