2012-03-05.log

--- Log opened Mon Mar 05 00:00:38 2012
strangewarpIf I wanted to guesstimate a year where it would be viable to live moderately well without any housing or traditional source of income, what year would that be?00:48
fouciststrangewarp: you don't know what you want to guesstimate it at?00:48
foucistor are you asking us to guesstimate it for you :p00:49
strangewarpI am asking for a second opinion, yes :p00:49
foucistgonna go with 204000:50
strangewarpHmmm01:01
foucista mere 28 years in the future hmm01:04
foucistmaybe not good enough01:04
foucistperhaps it could be projected somewhat01:04
foucistwell, is cost of food going down?01:04
foucistcost of housing?01:04
foucistprobably not01:04
foucistcost of electricity/energy sure is going down though01:04
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foucistcan super cheap energy be used to compensate for the food/housing problem?01:05
strangewarpVat-meat is on the way, so.. partially, I'd assume01:07
strangewarpAnd the descendents of 3D printers would be convenient for making insta-houses, so.. probably, if laws didn't interfere01:08
Steelstrangewarp, 3d printed houses are already being done01:11
SteelI'd have to find the paper though01:11
strangewarpAh, I'd heard about that, but isn't it still in the concept stage, where it's been done but not scaled up?01:13
Steelnot sure01:14
SteelI'd have to find the paper again01:14
Steeldo you care enough for me to look?01:15
strangewarpNah, it's fine\01:17
strangewarpWas just fishing for people's opinions on the projected date of universal food-housing-wellbeing welfare, at the behest of a friend... might ask again in the daytime :p01:20
Steelhah01:22
Steelhonestly?01:22
Steeldepends on locale.01:22
Steeland surplus mass/energy01:22
strangewarpindeed, and.. indeed01:22
Steelhttp://jme.bmj.com/content/31/5/273.full have y'all read this?01:26
strangewarp...! I've actually read that!01:28
Steelhah01:28
SteelI have a list of 54 articles, actually01:28
strangewarpHm, for specific purposes?01:34
Steeldepends01:34
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JayDuggerHello, everyone.06:40
Mariuhey JayDugger06:40
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Mokbortolan_https://share.sandia.gov/news/resources/news_releases/prosthetics/12:00
Mokbortolan_Sandia developing nerve interface12:00
kanzurewhat type12:00
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Mokbortolan_biocompatible polymers12:01
Mokbortolan_scaffolds, wires12:02
kanzureso electrodes?12:04
Mokbortolan_yep12:05
Mokbortolan_I've read that wires tend to get coated with a protein that degrades its ability to talk to nerves12:06
Mokbortolan_is there a name for that substance/process?12:06
kanzureMokbortolan_: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/implants/Response%20of%20brain%20tissue%20to%20chronically%20implanted%20neural%20electrodes.pdf12:08
kanzurehttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/implants/Magnetic%20resonance%20compatibility%20of%20neural%20implants%20-%202006%20-%20whowouldhavethought.pdf12:08
Mokbortolan_thanks!12:09
Mokbortolan_wow12:14
kanzureliking what you see?12:14
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Mokbortolan_When CNS damage severs blood vessels, microglia are indistinguishable from the blood borne, monocyte-derived macrophages12:15
Mokbortolan_that are recruited by the degranulation of platelets and the cellular release of cytokines.12:15
Mokbortolan_the brain keeps a ready stock of defenders12:15
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fennmmm http://www.flickr.com/photos/sandialabs/sets/12:48
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delinquentmehttp://stark-fire-6273.herokuapp.com/  << front end of the  OSCAR-4 chemo parser ( note: the "parse" option doesn't work as I'm not currently running the backend EC2 server )12:57
delinquentmebut you can take a look at the existing parses w the "browse" button12:57
kanzuredelinquentme: can you get xserver-xorg-video-dummy running on heroku?12:58
delinquentmewhat is that?12:58
delinquentmeit sounds like a video codex for ubuntu?12:58
delinquentmedo you mean EC2?12:58
kanzureno i do not mean ec213:01
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delinquentmekanzure, im about to do another interview ... i can catch up w what you're working on in like an hour13:41
delinquentmecooool?13:41
kanzurei might be sleeping in an hour13:42
delinquentmekk13:56
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jrayhawkhuh, clinicaltrials.gov is a pretty cool site14:36
kanzurei mentioned it in the backlog recently if you want to see some myostatin-related trials14:40
kanzureyashgaroth delivered some links for various studies14:40
jrayhawkEh, steroids and growth hormones seem effective and safe enough for me.14:42
jrayhawkif I were to give a shit about muscle growth, that is.14:42
Steelmuscle growth = I can eat more14:42
kanzurei'm still confused about why there's such a large amount of steroid misinformation14:42
jrayhawkOnly in the U.S.14:43
jrayhawkMost everywhere else, anabolics are legal14:43
kanzurethe internet is less cluttered elsewhere?14:43
kanzureor "because you live in the US you are probably exposed to anti-steroid propaganda"14:43
kanzurehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anabolic_steroids14:44
jrayhawkI don't know if propaganda is even needed at this point; there's massive selection bias.14:44
jrayhawkBasically the only time we hear about steroids is when some jackass overdoses.14:44
kanzurei guess this is a result of wikipedia's "all views are equally valid"14:44
kanzure"A 2005 review determined that some, but not all, randomized controlled studies have found that anabolic steroid use correlates with hypomania and increased aggressiveness, but pointed out that attempts to determine whether AAS use triggers violent behaviour have failed, primarily because of high rates of non-participation."14:45
kanzurenon-participation o.o14:45
Mokbortolan_some kid's dad went apeshit and some politicians took the reins to further their campaigns14:45
kanzureis there some sort of secondary effect where- if you ban the drug itself- misinformation is generated about it?14:46
kanzurewhy is that in the form of a question14:46
zacharycohnjrayhawk: This site would be a lot more awesome if I could find any studies with results posted...14:47
kanzurezacharycohn: mostly the results show up on pubmed... eventually14:47
Mokbortolan_kanzure: the misinformation is part of the initial campaign14:47
jrayhawkhttp://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT00385671?term=portland&rank=26 i found one!14:47
Mokbortolan_and afterwards social rules take over and not only propagate it, but punish misinformation deniers14:47
jrayhawkbut i don't expect there's a lot of motivation to post results here; this seems like a recruitment platform.14:47
Mokbortolan_the monkeys make sure that nobody climbs the ladder14:48
zacharycohnkanzure: I keep finding 3-4 year old studies with "no results posted" messages14:51
kanzureoh yeah has anyone figured out if you can participate in overseas clinical trials while in the states?14:52
kanzure'transatlantic clinical trials' sounds pretty cool14:52
jrayhawkIt would depend on the experiment design, but I assume some of them would be okay.14:53
kanzureeh i mean legal stuff14:53
jrayhawkThat would also depend on the experiment design.14:53
jrayhawkI imagine importing drugs would be a no-no, but diet and behavioral studies don't really need that14:54
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jrayhawkDoes the U.S. have laws on medical tourism yet?14:55
kanzurehi paolao14:58
paolaohi15:00
jrayhawkand, ironically, not all of these seem to be clincal trials15:02
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kanzurebkero: one of the emokit maintainers is going to be speaking tomorrow at something16:45
kanzurehttp://www.openyou.org/16:45
kanzurehttp://www.meetup.com/Data-Mining/events/50787192/16:45
bkerokanzure: orly16:46
kanzureblah more people trying to recruit me to different transhumanism forums16:52
kanzureif only people would work on projects, rather than putting so much time into recruiting pre-existing transhumanists16:53
Steelwhat forum?16:54
kanzurean onion network thing16:54
Steelhahaha.16:54
Steelgoddamn, I'm worried about obscurity as is and they're usiong TOR?16:55
kanzurewho cares?16:55
Steelnot you16:55
kanzuredo you need help using tor Steel16:55
Steelnope! I can use it.16:55
Steelhowever, it raises barrier to entry16:56
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eudoxiaSteel you should have made an onion network/tor thing16:56
eudoxiaput us in some badass watchlists16:56
SteelI'm pretty sure anyone w ho works for the government is put on a different agency's watchlist by default16:57
kanzurethe quality of work achieved does not depend on th quantity of clickthrough traffic...16:57
Steelyes, but when people who are interested in the subject don't even fucking know about the concept/field in general, you don't want to raise your publicity barriers16:57
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kanzureyou're assuming everyon wants publicity :(16:58
kanzure*everyone16:58
kanzureif publicity happens just let it happen.. don't sweat it if it doesn't16:59
Steelthey don't, but the movement/philosophy (call it whatever you want, I don't care) needs it.16:59
kanzurethe what?16:59
kanzureok ok not this argument again16:59
Steelwhen most biomeds I've talked to are interested after hearing about it, but never knew such a concept/group of people existed, there's an issue16:59
kanzuremedicine is very much already about health and improving bodies, what you smoking?17:00
Steel'is it like that crazy kurzweil stuff?'17:00
kanzurekurzweil doesn't matter in the scheme of things17:00
Steelyou keep being awesome and trucking, dude. I'll keep telling people that these ideas exist.17:01
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Urchinkurzweil sometimes makes predictions on principles that support opposite conclusions17:16
Urchinlike his idea of voice operated computers17:16
UrchinI find keyboards hard to replace17:16
eudoxiaKurzweil sometimes makes predictions on principles that benefit his companies17:16
Urchinparticularly as I use the terminal a lot17:16
eudoxia"oh goodness I make text-speech software keyboards will go eat shit in the future"17:17
Steelugh17:18
Steelfuuuuck.17:18
foucisti think you need more than just voice operated, probably also need eyeball tracking17:18
foucistto help the computer know wtf you want17:19
eudoxiayou can always use the mouse to specify context17:19
kanzurethe mouse sucks17:20
eudoxiahe didn't say anything about having to click with your voice17:20
kanzureand i don't want to have to look at things to make things happen17:20
Steelwe're going to see swype operated glasses by the end of the year imo17:20
kanzureif i had to look at all the things i've done with a keyboard, i'd be doomed17:20
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foucisteudoxia: a window/pointer based system is probably doomed anyways, for voice operation17:21
eudoxiaunless the thing is so meta you can say "mod + r" and "alt + F4" and shit17:22
foucistuh..17:22
foucistthat defeats the purpose17:22
kanzurei am sometimes able to do keystrokes on the order of 10-50ms17:23
kanzuredepending on which keys we are talking about17:23
kanzureplus or minus 8 fingers17:23
kanzurei don't think you can get that throughput with eyeball17:24
kanzure*eyeballs17:24
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foucistkanzure: yeah probably not17:25
kanzure!! unless!17:28
kanzureyou use compound eyes17:28
kanzureindividually addressible compound eyes17:28
kanzureOK so first i am going to need to find some articulated compound eye genes17:28
kanzureand 3 paperclips and some glue17:28
* katsmeow-afk hides the duct tape17:29
Vicariousohai17:32
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katsmeow-afki ask this because i do  not know, what is the meaning of "strage"?17:33
Vicariouscould be a typo17:35
eudoxiamassacre?17:35
foucisttypo for strange17:35
eudoxiaaccording to define:strage17:35
foucistotherwise it's an italian word17:36
katsmeow-afkoh17:36
Vicariousor a combination of stage and rage17:36
katsmeow-afkhttp://dictionary.sensagent.com/strage/it-en/17:38
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Vicariousor it could be just a nickname17:40
kanzurestage+rage sounds right17:40
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kanzurei need something where i ca 517:54
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delinquentmekatsmeow-afk, arent you from #robotics?17:59
Steelanyone in here from the NoVA region that needs a roommate?18:01
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ybiti'm looking for a repository of images i can use for a kde booth...18:08
ybitanyone here know of something like this/18:09
ybiti'm not so great at ripping images from flickr it turns out18:09
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ybithttp://www.clearbits.net18:11
ybitnice18:11
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katsmeow-afkdelinquentme, yeas, but i have been in here years before today18:18
delinquentmenice!18:18
delinquentmeits a good place to be18:18
katsmeow-afkwhen i came in, there were only 5 nicks here, if that18:19
kanzuread now we are one million strong!18:20
kanzure*and18:20
katsmeow-afkit was like ybit, me, kansure, bkero, and fenn18:20
katsmeow-afki contribute nothing, really, but i might learn something18:20
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Steelsup yashg18:28
yashgarothyo18:28
ybit"i was here before ##hplusroadmap became popular, that's when the real discussions took place!" :)18:37
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nsh_katsmeow-afk is the evil twin. do not trust her lies18:51
yashgarothk18:51
katsmeow-afkdon't trust anyone's lies, silly18:54
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delinquentmeallllriiight20:45
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delinquentmewhats going on in heeereee20:45
Mokbortolan_I dunno20:47
delinquentmekanzure, you still hacking away?20:47
kanzurecooode20:47
delinquentme^^ nice20:51
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katsmeow-afkwow, i met fenn's rl nice twin at the grocery store tonite, looked just like fenn21:58
sylph_makoWhy are you people so proximal with each other.22:01
katsmeow-afkwe aren't, the real fenn is a 3 day drive away from me22:01
katsmeow-afkthat said, some in here are gypsies, moving from one convention to the next22:02
sylph_makoI see.22:02
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bkeroybit: ##hsplusroadmap is popular?22:48
bkeroo shit 53 nicks22:49
bkero26 of which must clearly be bots ;)22:49
* katsmeow-afk agrres22:50
katsmeow-afkso eating 50gms of protien for breakfast will suppress appetite all day long?22:51
bkeroI usually go for the emotionally distraught appetite suppressant22:52
foucistybit: too bad you didn't participate in the real discussions22:53
katsmeow-afki don't know that one22:53
rkoswhats there to live for if you don't have an appetite?22:55
katsmeow-afkmerely having less of one, saving some money22:55
katsmeow-afki am so short on energy, i discovered that eating more isn't the answer22:57
ybitfoucist: ahh :'(23:01
ybitit's true23:01
ybits/ahh/aww23:01
ybiti participated by getting in the way23:01
ybitthat counts, right?23:01
Utopiah_I suppose most here know about https://6002x.mitx.mit.edu but just in case <-23:18
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foucistybit: :P23:46
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