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| Mokbortolan_ | well | 01:49 |
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| Mokbortolan_ | that took a lot less time than I thought | 01:49 |
| * Mokbortolan_ got his bodybugg/armband working without a subscription. | 01:50 | |
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| JayDugger1 | Athletic performance improved by intermittent cooling--any papers? | 03:48 |
| JayDugger1 | Well done M. | 03:48 |
| JayDugger1 | You know about openyou.org? | 03:50 |
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| strangewarp | Hmm | 04:27 |
| strangewarp | I've just had a really weird philosophical idea, using several concepts that I doubt many people are fully familiar with in the way that I've combined them; but the theology gets a little heavy, and there is one moderate if not crippling flaw (which could probably be fixed, but I'm not a mathematician and it would probably take soe heavy maths to find a solution to it). | 04:28 |
| strangewarp | So idk wtf | 04:29 |
| Replop | did you write down those things ? | 05:17 |
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| strangewarp | Yes, but now I feel kind of waffly about them | 05:28 |
| ThomasEgi | waffles.. now i am hungry... | 05:38 |
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| fazefusion | AHHHH | 07:09 |
| uniqanomaly | :) | 07:10 |
| fazefusion | hi | 07:10 |
| fazefusion | my god this is heaven for me | 07:10 |
| fazefusion | http://biohakker.com | 07:10 |
| fazefusion | thats my workplace | 07:10 |
| fazefusion | anyone here? | 07:11 |
| fazefusion | you gotta register to see the rest of my work | 07:11 |
| fazefusion | thats only a glimpse | 07:11 |
| ThomasEgi | hm. seems to be mostly c++ topics there? | 07:13 |
| ThomasEgi | oh | 07:13 |
| ThomasEgi | what else is up there? | 07:13 |
| fazefusion | everything related to biology | 07:14 |
| fazefusion | biohacking | 07:14 |
| fazefusion | you gotta register though | 07:14 |
| fazefusion | it's good stuff | 07:14 |
| fazefusion | not for public eyes | 07:14 |
| ThomasEgi | anything related to implants and connecting eletronics to the nerve-system? | 07:15 |
| fazefusion | nah | 07:15 |
| fazefusion | not that sort of thing | 07:15 |
| fazefusion | I have life extension | 07:15 |
| fazefusion | approaches and nootropics research | 07:15 |
| fazefusion | rejuvenation, muscle, fatloss, but no transhumanism | 07:15 |
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| strangewarp | Thing that peeves me off: People who use the word "statist" to mean "not libertarian", when it ought to mean "not futurist". | 07:30 |
| fazefusion | eh? | 07:31 |
| fazefusion | why would you want to be a machine? | 07:31 |
| fazefusion | eugh | 07:31 |
| fazefusion | but maybe... yeah it sounds nice | 07:31 |
| fazefusion | to be powerful, like deus Ex HR | 07:31 |
| fazefusion | i'm dying to play that game | 07:31 |
| fazefusion | gonna get it this week | 07:31 |
| strangewarp | I.. don't see.. how you got that from the thing I said.. but I also take issue with basically everything you have said in the past minute on some level | 07:32 |
| * strangewarp rubs temples | 07:32 | |
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| fazefusion | wasn't referring to your comment | 07:33 |
| fazefusion | just curious about this channel | 07:33 |
| strangewarp | oh, fair enough | 07:33 |
| strangewarp | Most people here want to at least become way better humans, from what I gather | 07:34 |
| fazefusion | yeah me too | 07:34 |
| fazefusion | but there is no need to relate to machines | 07:35 |
| fazefusion | for such a purpose | 07:35 |
| strangewarp | Humans are machines made out of meat and gloop | 07:35 |
| fazefusion | we can use biotechnology | 07:35 |
| fazefusion | I like being organic | 07:35 |
| uniqanomaly | some don't | 07:37 |
| ThomasEgi | well for starters. our non-organic technology is pretty awesome | 07:37 |
| ThomasEgi | so you can gain quite some benefits from combining both | 07:37 |
| strangewarp | Embodiment is a pretty loaded subject for me, since I originally drifted into transhumanism after becoming philosophically unsatisfied in the furry community :S (pretty sure there are hardly any others who took such a trajectory, and good luck getting anyone to admit it) | 07:45 |
| strangewarp | I am moderately compelled to try to eventually end up in a position where I have more options than the boring baseline human form. I anticipate that such options would be an incidental side-effect of more useful, helpful technological developments, which I came to realize are objectively good in themselves (an uncontroversial transhumanist opinion). | 07:53 |
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| strangewarp | More direct response: there is nothing particularly bad about wanting to be mechanical (the implication being: uploading yourself). Even if you worry about existential continuity, which I only worry about in the loosest possible terms, it would probably be possible to gradually replace the brain with a given substrate anyway. Less of a jolt to existential/experiential continuity than going to sleep and waking up. | 08:00 |
| strangewarp | Not quite sure how I was prompted into the former tangent, there, in hindsight. | 08:05 |
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| nathaniel | strangewarp, RE "statist": YES. at least someone else is defining the state as a transhumanist meta-technology of sorts which is simply unavailable to the majority of humanity. I was not aware you people existed <3 | 08:46 |
| strangewarp | nathaniel: I just despise the fact that, while by all reasonable measure, "statist" should mean "the opposite of a futurist", it has somehow become the word people use for "person who hates Ron Paul". And I am like.. whut. Why are you using that word to mean that thing?! This doesn't make sense and is bad!! | 08:48 |
| strangewarp | Incidentally, I may have made an error - I thought the etymology of "statist" came from "static", as in "staying still", but it actually comes from "state"... | 08:52 |
| strangewarp | So, I may have to discard that passionate opinion on semantics.. | 08:52 |
| strangewarp | Etymology is a harsh mistress, apparently :\ | 08:54 |
| strangewarp | Luckily, I also agree that the state is a meta-technology that could be extended to every individual, in several ways but not others, so I haven't completely lost face :p | 08:55 |
| strangewarp | Now I'm without a proper word for using against anti-futurists, though. Urgh | 08:57 |
| nathaniel | luddites. | 08:58 |
| strangewarp | That implies a caricaturethat can be shrugged off, sadly... | 08:58 |
| nathaniel | yesterdists | 08:58 |
| strangewarp | I'm liking that one, hmm | 08:58 |
| nathaniel | well | 08:58 |
| nathaniel | primitivist captures most of it | 08:58 |
| nathaniel | though comes with a little semantic baggage | 08:59 |
| strangewarp | Indeed.. | 08:59 |
| strangewarp | In one of my notebooks I sketched out a Futurist Political Compass, with one axis as Transhumanist-Neoprimitivist and the other as Pastoralist-Antipastoralist... | 09:00 |
| nathaniel | sounds good. but no one will have any idea what the hell you're talking about :P | 09:00 |
| strangewarp | That was the problem, yes | 09:00 |
| nathaniel | political compasses bother me, though | 09:01 |
| strangewarp | Indeed, I only intended it to capture the positions that relied on the interaction of opinions-on-technology and opinions-on-nature | 09:01 |
| nathaniel | political n-spheres would work better in almost any situation | 09:02 |
| nathaniel | if you're finding yourself stuck to an axis that appears to have definite opposites, the semantics of the axis are probably too general | 09:02 |
| nathaniel | *not general | 09:03 |
| nathaniel | bleh. I'll just go with whatever definitions arise with greater human intercommunication | 09:03 |
| nathaniel | recently I've been going with "empathetic transhumanist" :/ | 09:04 |
| strangewarp | Aye... the definitions I ended up picking out for the four corner-positions are quite obscure and useless | 09:04 |
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| strangewarp | Pastoral transhumanist extremist position: Rewilding. This as defined by Karl Schroeder, where advanced technology is made to emulate nature. Antipastoral transhumanist extremist position: Extropian. That ought to be familiar here, at least. Antipastoral primitivist extremist position: Melancology. This was defined in the first symposium on black metal theory to denote a particular infinitely-bleak-and-cruel aesthetic. Past | 09:07 |
| strangewarp | Looking back at it, it's only about as useful as the original Political Compass - not very useful at all. | 09:08 |
| rkos | i think nature is often infinitely bleak and cruel | 09:08 |
| strangewarp | definitely. Everything primitivist on the axis is by necessity cruel to some degree; whether it's pastoral or antipastoral dictates whether or not it's romanticized. | 09:10 |
| rkos | shouldnt we first be getting our technology to match the versatility of biological systems and then exapand into something completely new | 09:11 |
| strangewarp | Certainly | 09:12 |
| rkos | i sometimes wonder though, if we can reduce biology to tools made to perform a certain function, where does that leave us? | 09:13 |
| strangewarp | With ideation, aesthetic, and semiotic. | 09:13 |
| vrs | superkuh: hey, guess what I found | 09:13 |
| vrs | superkuh: A Better Matrix Revolutions.txt | 09:13 |
| vrs | so I did save it | 09:14 |
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| strangewarp | Hmmmm | 10:32 |
| strangewarp | Someone needs to do a yudkowsky_ebooks gag account on twitter. | 10:32 |
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| AdrianG | HI | 10:56 |
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| kanzure | strangewarp: there's already a yudkowsky gag account.. http://twitter.com/FakeEliezer | 12:01 |
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| kanzure | http://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/r22l7/8200_strong_researchers_band_together_to_force/ | 12:28 |
| kanzure | http://singularityhub.com/2012/03/18/8200-strong-researchers-band-together-to-force-science-journals-to-open-access/ | 12:28 |
| klafka | yeah pretty awesome | 12:28 |
| kanzure | it's just an update | 12:32 |
| kanzure | 8200 is pretty weak | 12:32 |
| kanzure | well, at least it's being reported | 12:33 |
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| AdrianG | how are they going to open access | 13:11 |
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| thylane | lol | 13:20 |
| thylane | Eliezer Yudkowsky is fruity dude | 13:20 |
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| kanzure | open science recap at pycon 2012 https://us.pycon.org/2012/community/openspaces/openscience/ | 13:23 |
| kanzure | something something about an open-science framework http://pyvideo.org/video/690/saturday-evening-lightning-talks-60-minutes/ | 13:24 |
| kanzure | numpy foundation for pen code for usable science http://numfocus.org/ | 13:24 |
| kanzure | http://blogs.p2pu.org/blog/2012/02/22/learn-how-to-contribute-to-science/ | 13:24 |
| kanzure | holy carp you can donate to a numpy foundation? | 13:25 |
| kanzure | "anthony scopatz: i think, therefore i amino acid" aacckk | 13:27 |
| kanzure | http://numfocus.org/?page_id=14 | 13:27 |
| kanzure | in general donating to numpy and scipy seems like good things to tell people to do, if they want to donate to something that has positive impact | 13:27 |
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| klafka | http://continuum.io/ | 13:36 |
| kanzure | eh i would be more interested if they showed some examples | 13:36 |
| klafka | i talked to travis oliphant about it at strata | 13:36 |
| kanzure | "Well, we just dumped the core matrix/array classes into redis" | 13:36 |
| kanzure | oh what did he say? | 13:37 |
| klafka | basically that it was a work in progressand they weren't ready to release anything yet | 13:37 |
| klafka | that's what it seemed like | 13:37 |
| klafka | he didn't give details | 13:37 |
| klafka | but he was saying that he wanted to offer it as a service company | 13:38 |
| kanzure | sure | 13:38 |
| klafka | while adding back a lot of stuff to numpy | 13:38 |
| thylane | http://singularityhub.com/2012/03/18/8200-strong-researchers-band-together-to-force-science-journals-to-open-access/ | 13:38 |
| kanzure | thylane: scroll up.. the link was dropped earlier | 13:39 |
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| kanzure | more brainbow images http://www.cell.com/cell_picture_show-brainbow | 14:16 |
| kanzure | some of these look new | 14:17 |
| kanzure | "Here the intercrossed muscle fibers in the tongue of a mouse embryo (day 14) are labeled with random combinations of the fluorescent proteins dTomato (red), YFP (green) and Cerulean (blue). " | 14:17 |
| kanzure | "Here the "Confetti" gene is transiently activated in all liver cells in a mouse ~4 weeks of age. As a result, each cell independently recombines the "Confetti" gene toward one of four fluorescent proteins." | 14:18 |
| archels | http://www.wimp.com/camerarocket/ | 14:18 |
| archels | kanzure: How's it different from Brainbow? | 14:19 |
| kanzure | archels: different cells targetted | 14:26 |
| kanzure | also, i think these are different people/projects | 14:26 |
| kanzure | tron dance routine.. time to pick up some electroluminescent wiring http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHJkyMo9MtU | 14:28 |
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| ThomasEgi | pretty neat | 14:38 |
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| kanzure | hi yashgaroth | 16:19 |
| kanzure | hi eudoxia | 16:19 |
| yashgaroth | hi kanz | 16:19 |
| eudoxia | hello | 16:19 |
| Vicarious | hi | 16:22 |
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| AdrianG | http://www.longecity.org/forum/topic/50076-tdcs-thread/page__st__60 | 16:30 |
| AdrianG | hook up your brainz to a battery, yo | 16:30 |
| kanzure | um.. there seems to be someone in that thread promoting his astral projection theories? | 16:32 |
| kanzure | why haven't the mods killed that guy yet | 16:32 |
| Mokbortolan_ | well, self-hypnosis-induced-hallucinations are... interesting | 16:51 |
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| thesnark | kanzure ping | 17:24 |
| kanzure | pong | 17:24 |
| thesnark | get my mail? | 17:25 |
| kanzure | yes i think i replied by ics confirmation | 17:25 |
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| kanzure | i wonder if anyone has wired up a radio-controlled starfish | 19:06 |
| kanzure | http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=radio-controlled+asteroidea | 19:06 |
| kanzure | "Your search - radio-controlled asteroidea - did not match any articles." | 19:07 |
| kanzure | :'( | 19:07 |
| kanzure | mike treder missing in detroit https://plus.google.com/u/0/108797589939818481328/posts/GYUejw4xzuS | 19:14 |
| yashgaroth | can't think of a worse city to go missing in, in the states | 19:16 |
| kanzure | http://www.facebook.com/mike.treder | 19:16 |
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| Thorbinator | http://thepiratebay.se/blog/210 | 19:42 |
| thylane | http://imgur.com/gallery/WOUia | 19:45 |
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| kanzure | ray kurzweil charges $35-$50k/hour? | 20:25 |
| kanzure | http://oreilly.com/social-media/excerpts/9780596802004/why-speakers-earn-30k-an-hour.html | 20:25 |
| kanzure | more like a singularity of speaking engagement fees | 20:25 |
| Steel2 | gotta pay for all those meds | 20:28 |
| kanzure | i guess i'm not surprised | 20:30 |
| kanzure | he's booked all year for speaking engagements apparently | 20:30 |
| kanzure | so he's consistently making at least 20k/week | 20:31 |
| kanzure | what i'm more surprised about is the events that i've seen him at | 20:31 |
| kanzure | these events weren't bringing in enough money to pay for that.. | 20:31 |
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| kanzure | hi spaes | 20:31 |
| spaes | hey kanzure | 20:31 |
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| kanzure | battlefield3 "but with NES sound effects" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c1PBufdfcE | 20:52 |
| joshcryer | an improvement | 20:56 |
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| kanzure | android kernel getting merged back into upstream linux https://lwn.net/Articles/472984/ | 21:37 |
| AdrianG | damn | 22:05 |
| AdrianG | 20k a week | 22:05 |
| AdrianG | what happened to treder | 22:06 |
| katsmeow-afk | anyone see this? http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/03/16/executive-order-national-defense-resources-preparedness | 22:07 |
| Steel2 | kanzure, he does care about what he talks about (pro bono speaking) he just wants to maximize his profit as well | 22:08 |
| uniqanomaly | katsmeow-afk: martial law? | 22:09 |
| Steel2 | no, that's him trying to bring back jobs it looks like | 22:09 |
| katsmeow-afk | cept some jobs are unpaid | 22:10 |
| kanzure | Steel2: ray's views on the future are very different from the views that tend to be expressed in here | 22:10 |
| Steel2 | I know that | 22:10 |
| katsmeow-afk | and federal gov gets precidence in all activities | 22:10 |
| kanzure | he might care about what he talks about | 22:10 |
| AdrianG | katsmeow-afk: wuts dat | 22:10 |
| kanzure | but sort of like someone who picks stocks | 22:10 |
| katsmeow-afk | The head of each agency otherwise delegated functions under this order is delegated the authority of the President under sections 710(b) and (c) of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2160(b), (c), to employ persons of outstanding experience and ability without compensation <<== aka to "hire" them, but not pay them | 22:10 |
| Steel2 | My point is the reason he attends events that can't pay his speaking fee is because he cares | 22:11 |
| katsmeow-afk | well, it essentailly nationalised a lot of stuff to the federal gov | 22:11 |
| Steel2 | but he's still trying to maximize his profit | 22:11 |
| Steel2 | (my guess) | 22:11 |
| kanzure | Steel2: not sure, i think the events still paid him | 22:11 |
| katsmeow-afk | To reduce current or projected shortfalls of resources, critical technology items, or materials essential for the national defense, the head of each agency engaged in procurement for the national defense is delegated the authority of the President under section 302 of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2092, to make loans thereunder. | 22:11 |
| uniqanomaly | not even a bowl of rice? | 22:11 |
| kanzure | you can't charge $30k one week and then $0 the next | 22:11 |
| Steel2 | you can make huge discounts tho | 22:12 |
| Steel2 | maybe not pro bono then | 22:12 |
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