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| katsmeow-afk | wooooaaahhh,, how to use big words to say republicans and tea party members are stupid : http://pss.sagepub.com/content/23/2/187.short?rss=1&%3bssource=mfr | 06:32 |
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| katsmeow-afk | how being depressed can make one stupid (as if we didn't know that already) : http://pss.sagepub.com/content/21/12/1770.abstract | 06:34 |
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| katsmeow-afk | found one study that said if one is unhappy, one will daydream more, but i discarded it because they used the euphemism "make love" for "having sex",, and the overall "DUH" factor | 06:38 |
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| kanzure | beep | 07:06 |
| katsmeow-afk | boop | 07:06 |
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| strangewarp | Today's goals: Read new chapter of HP:MoR; finish Rockit Synthesizer build | 07:16 |
| strangewarp | productivity!! | 07:16 |
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| Replop | bop | 08:48 |
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| delinquentme | so I want to learn to think in terms of big tools | 12:00 |
| delinquentme | MORE | 12:00 |
| delinquentme | advice? | 12:01 |
| kanzure | how big | 12:01 |
| delinquentme | like if you want to think in terms of statistics you evaluate every day occurrences in that context | 12:01 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, specifically I want to think in terms of statistics and machine learning more | 12:01 |
| delinquentme | like we've got this "imfact factor" style social proofing ideal behind research | 12:02 |
| delinquentme | if you want to build a system that handles that | 12:02 |
| delinquentme | the distillate of that process is who thinks who else is smart, and who builds upon other research someone else started? | 12:03 |
| delinquentme | the issue is that googles DONE this | 12:03 |
| delinquentme | just its all locked down | 12:03 |
| delinquentme | klout too | 12:03 |
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| delinquentme | kanzure, is there really no API which keeps a valid DB of inbound links? | 12:14 |
| delinquentme | like seriously there should be an open source equivalent of pagerank | 12:14 |
| kanzure | what is "OpenURL COinS" | 12:22 |
| delinquentme | today is a good day | 12:33 |
| delinquentme | lol | 12:33 |
| ybit | delinquentme: look into yacy | 12:36 |
| delinquentme | HURM. | 12:36 |
| delinquentme | I'd love to make a blog post titled " Fuck you publishers " | 12:37 |
| delinquentme | with a massive graph of influence | 12:38 |
| delinquentme | then tweet at them | 12:38 |
| delinquentme | and be all | 12:38 |
| delinquentme | " How you like that dick in yo ass ? " | 12:38 |
| delinquentme | =] | 12:38 |
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| virnovus | *sigh* had another meeting with a probation officer today | 12:42 |
| virnovus | at least she was nice to me | 12:42 |
| uniqanomaly | delinquentme: wanna fuck them really hard write papers scraper software for smartphones, people from within universities would be freeing thoulsands of papers every day | 12:45 |
| delinquentme | fuck them like superman and the invisible man in that one joke | 12:46 |
| uniqanomaly | they try to cut off more universities after they acknowledge whats going on their PR is sooo going down | 12:48 |
| Steel2 | hmmm | 12:48 |
| Steel2 | so I don't know if delinquentme or kanzure saw the post I made on fb about a 'watson jr' | 12:48 |
| Steel2 | but a suggestion in there was to write a distributed app | 12:49 |
| kanzure | no nobody uses facebook | 12:50 |
| ybit | it's true | 12:50 |
| kanzure | thanks ybit | 12:50 |
| * kanzure chest thump | 12:50 | |
| * ybit butt slap | 12:50 | |
| virnovus | trying to decide whether to go to lab meeting today | 12:50 |
| ybit | in the baseball manly sense of butt slapping | 12:50 |
| Steel2 | a distributed watson-like app would be nice | 12:50 |
| Steel2 | to feed articles into | 12:51 |
| kanzure | virnovus: yeah, but just chillax | 12:51 |
| kanzure | Steel2: watson is just a lot of painful work like wolframalpha | 12:51 |
| kanzure | it scales linearly with manpower | 12:51 |
| kanzure | to code it. | 12:51 |
| virnovus | kanzure: i guess i could go. i'll see if i can get any brain models | 12:51 |
| kanzure | hooray | 12:51 |
| kanzure | virnovus: what lab is it | 12:51 |
| virnovus | university of buffalo virtual reality lab | 12:52 |
| Steel2 | kanzure: Not...according to this article? | 12:52 |
| virnovus | http://www.vrlab.buffalo.edu | 12:52 |
| kanzure | virnovus: other models would be hawt too | 12:53 |
| Steel2 | http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ibm.com%2Fdeveloperworks%2Fmydeveloperworks%2Fblogs%2FInsideSystemStorage%2Fentry%2Fibm_watson_how_to_build_your_own_watson_jr_in_your_basement7%3Flang%3Den&h=BAQFJGdGo | 12:53 |
| virnovus | models of what though? | 12:53 |
| kanzure | i'm not going to click a facebook redirect link | 12:53 |
| Steel2 | ah, sorry | 12:53 |
| Steel2 | https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/blogs/InsideSystemStorage/entry/ibm_watson_how_to_build_your_own_watson_jr_in_your_basement7?lang=en | 12:53 |
| delinquentme | fb = picking up sluts | 12:53 |
| delinquentme | lolololol | 12:53 |
| virnovus | kanzure: we've got lots of medical models and such. mostly urology. not sure you care much about bladders and prostates | 12:54 |
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| kanzure | hello nyteryder | 12:58 |
| virnovus | for some reason my external hard drive is only recognized by linux, not window | 12:59 |
| virnovus | *windows | 12:59 |
| kanzure | solution: stop using windows | 12:59 |
| virnovus | yeah, but then i got no photoshop | 13:00 |
| Mokbortolan_ | virnovus: what filesystem is it? | 13:00 |
| virnovus | NTFS, oddly enough | 13:00 |
| Mokbortolan_ | huh | 13:00 |
| kanzure | virnovus: use photoshop in a VM | 13:00 |
| virnovus | too much work | 13:00 |
| thesnark | listen to this man | 13:00 |
| Mokbortolan_ | is it USB? | 13:00 |
| virnovus | yes, usb | 13:00 |
| thesnark | VMs are the way to go | 13:00 |
| thesnark | unless you have shitty hardware | 13:01 |
| Mokbortolan_ | try changing the USB port | 13:01 |
| kanzure | in which case: stop using shitty hardware | 13:01 |
| Mokbortolan_ | like, plug it into a different one | 13:01 |
| thesnark | kanzure I would but I have no money | 13:01 |
| virnovus | i'm broke though | 13:01 |
| kanzure | ha | 13:01 |
| Mokbortolan_ | if that doesn't work, pull up Logical Disk Manager | 13:01 |
| Mokbortolan_ | which OS are you using? | 13:01 |
| thesnark | by no money I mean I would rather continue my pizza and beer purchases | 13:01 |
| kanzure | thesnark: i understand | 13:02 |
| thesnark | also paying for school | 13:02 |
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| thesnark | can't wait to be done with that | 13:02 |
| * thesnark leaves to purchase beer and pizza | 13:03 | |
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| delinquentme | aww yehh | 13:05 |
| delinquentme | Citebase | 13:05 |
| delinquentme | #tiddays | 13:05 |
| virnovus | ok, well I'm gonna go shut down my laptop now | 13:08 |
| delinquentme | LOLZWHUT | 13:08 |
| delinquentme | Abstracts are available free online for almost all articles, and full scanned articles are available in Graphics Interchange Format (GIF) | 13:08 |
| delinquentme | who... does ... this? | 13:08 |
| delinquentme | ( NASA ) | 13:09 |
| virnovus | should be able to come back online in my lab | 13:09 |
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| kanzure | ok lazyweb: g gundam or gundam wing? | 13:11 |
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| kanzure | oh i guess there's also zz gundam | 13:16 |
| delinquentme | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Xm69SjwAbA | 13:20 |
| delinquentme | NM | 13:21 |
| delinquentme | DIS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExyE8e6QLgA&feature=related | 13:21 |
| delinquentme | BEH | 13:21 |
| delinquentme | no this one | 13:21 |
| delinquentme | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0PFuz5tJQ8&feature=related | 13:21 |
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| delinquentme | anime | 13:26 |
| delinquentme | is | 13:26 |
| delinquentme | so | 13:26 |
| delinquentme | fucking SICK | 13:26 |
| uniqanomaly | delinquentme: breathe | 13:27 |
| delinquentme | autoasphyxiation | 13:27 |
| delinquentme | XD | 13:27 |
| uniqanomaly | lol it wasnt reverse psychology | 13:29 |
| Mariu | what are you watching ? | 13:29 |
| Mariu | what anime / series ? | 13:29 |
| delinquentme | Mariu, i watched evangelion 2.0 the other night and that scene blows my mind | 13:30 |
| delinquentme | OK | 13:30 |
| delinquentme | gotta relocate | 13:30 |
| Mariu | sweet | 13:30 |
| kanzure | Mariu: this channel has a high anime-to-nerd ratio | 13:34 |
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| Mokbortolan_ | I tried to like anime | 13:35 |
| Mokbortolan_ | I really did | 13:35 |
| Mokbortolan_ | I just don't | 13:35 |
| Mariu | kanzure, cool | 13:35 |
| Mokbortolan_ | Cowboy Bebop was pretty good though | 13:35 |
| Mariu | I enjoy Ghost in a Shell | 13:35 |
| Mokbortolan_ | I enjoyed the first one (but not the dialogue) | 13:35 |
| Mokbortolan_ | naked robot chicks with automatic weapons? hard to top that | 13:36 |
| Mokbortolan_ | if only she didn't drone on and on in a monotone about vague philosophy of self | 13:36 |
| kanzure | we need a ##hplusroadmap anime | 13:36 |
| Mariu | !!! | 13:36 |
| Mariu | Bingo | 13:36 |
| Mariu | to quote the Oracle from Matrix | 13:37 |
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| kanzure | Mariu: ? | 13:50 |
| Mariu | I will be good to have ##hplusroadmap anime | 13:55 |
| kanzure | ah | 13:56 |
| kanzure | yes the oracle was very wise | 13:56 |
| Mariu | yup | 13:56 |
| Mariu | *it | 13:56 |
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| yashgaroth | welp | 13:57 |
| kanzure | yashgaroth: sup? | 13:57 |
| yashgaroth | company got liquidated | 13:57 |
| kanzure | hahah | 13:57 |
| kanzure | ah the glamorous world of biotech | 13:57 |
| yashgaroth | 2 months severance at least | 13:57 |
| yashgaroth | buuut yeah it's gonna be a drinky night for me | 13:58 |
| kanzure | yashgaroth: so you're 100% done? | 13:58 |
| kanzure | or are they having you come back to work on monday | 13:59 |
| yashgaroth | yep, didn't even need to finalize my notebooks | 13:59 |
| yashgaroth | there's like 4 people staying around during the 'transition' for a couple weeks, but not me | 13:59 |
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| yashgaroth | should've waited a week to book that flight to a'dam | 14:00 |
| yashgaroth | one coworker literally bought a house yesterday, at least I'm not him :/ | 14:02 |
| kanzure | that should be illegal | 14:02 |
| yashgaroth | that's why they make you sign a waiver to get the severance...just in case | 14:03 |
| kanzure | no i mean home ownership (kidding) | 14:03 |
| yashgaroth | heh that too | 14:04 |
| kanzure | yashgaroth: ##hplusroadmap anime.. are you down fori t? | 14:04 |
| kanzure | *for it | 14:04 |
| yashgaroth | my anime experience is limited to GitS, akira, and miyazaki's stuff | 14:05 |
| yashgaroth | but I'll have plenty of time to catch up | 14:06 |
| kanzure | positive or negative experience? | 14:06 |
| yashgaroth | positive from those | 14:06 |
| yashgaroth | cowboy bebop and appleseed are on my list for sure | 14:06 |
| kanzure | can't tell what the plot would be | 14:07 |
| kanzure | "some people do some things, it works, and they are happy" | 14:07 |
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| yashgaroth | oh wait are you making h+ anime or something | 14:08 |
| kanzure | delinquentme: ##hplusroadmap anime. what's the plot? | 14:08 |
| kanzure | yashgaroth: no just thinking | 14:08 |
| delinquentme | fluid immersion for greater ability to withstand Gforces | 14:09 |
| delinquentme | and the crazy emotional content it elicits from me | 14:09 |
| kanzure | that's not a plot :p | 14:09 |
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| kanzure | "affordable 3d printers! own yours for less than $300/mo" geeze that's not the same class of 'affordable' that most people are looking for | 14:26 |
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| Mokbortolan_ | costs less than my kid's preschool | 14:28 |
| kanzure | Mokbortolan_: you can pick up some printers for <$1k so i dunno why you would pay $300/mo | 14:30 |
| Mokbortolan_ | depends on what kind of printer, I s'pose | 14:33 |
| Mokbortolan_ | a fancy-dan commercial model vs a makerbot | 14:33 |
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| virnovus | ah | 14:39 |
| virnovus | kanzure: you around? | 14:40 |
| virnovus | anyone? anyone around? | 14:41 |
| yashgaroth | 'sup | 14:41 |
| virnovus | i'm in my lab. kanzure wanted some 3D brain models, iirs | 14:42 |
| virnovus | iirc | 14:42 |
| yashgaroth | that does sound like him | 14:42 |
| virnovus | anyone else want any medical models? | 14:43 |
| virnovus | we got a lot of cool shit up in here | 14:44 |
| yashgaroth | of, like, organs and such? | 14:45 |
| virnovus | i think so | 14:45 |
| jrayhawk | virnovus: if Windows doesn't notice an NTFS volume, the partition type field is probably wrong. | 14:45 |
| jrayhawk | http://www.google.com/url?q=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_type&sa=U&ei=0O5sT-LuB4ji2QXB9dGTBg&ved=0CBUQFjAB&usg=AFQjCNGfdXRyH8y-bdtxZ3JoDVz8FemnCA | 14:45 |
| jrayhawk | ugh, fucking google | 14:45 |
| jrayhawk | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_type | 14:45 |
| kanzure | "Shaping Cells, Shaping Embryos: Coordinated Actin and Membrane Dynamics During Fly Morphogenesis." | 14:46 |
| kanzure | "Refreshments will be served at 3:45" hot damn... fly morphogenesis *and* refreshments | 14:46 |
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| kanzure | gaaahhh | 14:47 |
| kanzure | i didn't know ut austin had a computational neuroscience journal club | 14:47 |
| kanzure | http://clm.utexas.edu/compjclub/ | 14:47 |
| kanzure | why the fuck am i not showing up to that | 14:47 |
| kanzure | "Afsheen Afshar, Gopal Santhanam, Byron M. Yu, Stephen I. Ryu, Maneesh Sahani, Krishna V. Shenoy. Single-Trial Neural Correlates of Arm Movement Preparation. Neuron, Volume 71, Issue 3, 555-564, 11 August 2011" | 14:48 |
| kanzure | http://clm.utexas.edu/compjclub/papers/Afshar2011.pdf | 14:48 |
| virnovus | kanzure: i'm in my lab. you said you wanted brain models or something? | 14:50 |
| kanzure | virnovus: that would be great | 14:51 |
| kanzure | Field G.D., Gauthier J.L., Sher A., Greschner M., Machado T.A., Jepson L.H., Shlens J., Gunning D.E., Mathieson K., Dabrowski W., Paninski L., Litke A.M., Chichilnisky E.J. Functional connectivity in the retina at the resolution of photoreceptors. Nature 467, 2010 | 14:51 |
| kanzure | http://clm.utexas.edu/compjclub/papers/Field2010.pdf | 14:51 |
| virnovus | what type of brain models exactly? | 15:00 |
| virnovus | neurovasculature? | 15:00 |
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| n_bentha | I did that transformation today :) | 15:17 |
| n_bentha | It's in the 37* shaker atm. | 15:17 |
| yashgaroth | ah good good | 15:17 |
| yashgaroth | I just got laid off today, same thing basically | 15:18 |
| yashgaroth | luckily it was myself along with the rest of the company, so no especially hard feelings | 15:18 |
| delinquentme | http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/rise-of-the-hacktivist-activists-now-outsteal-the-thieves/ | 15:20 |
| delinquentme | yashgaroth, what happened? | 15:20 |
| yashgaroth | board meeting last wednesday, we found out today that they decided to fire everyone to save money | 15:21 |
| yashgaroth | which admittedly is a good way to trim a budget | 15:21 |
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| n_bentha | :O | 15:32 |
| n_bentha | I hope you find a job soon. | 15:32 |
| yashgaroth | I don't, I've only had 2 days of vacation in 2 years | 15:33 |
| yashgaroth | but yeah I'm not too worried | 15:33 |
| n_bentha | Well if you find a job, it doesn't mean you'll start working immediately. | 15:34 |
| n_bentha | My friend got a job, but delayed her start for a few months. | 15:35 |
| yashgaroth | I'll start looking next week; this week is getting high and playing video games :D | 15:36 |
| n_bentha | Nice! | 15:39 |
| delinquentme | yashgaroth, you're my hero | 15:42 |
| yashgaroth | hahaha | 15:42 |
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| delinquentme | http://www.ebscohost.com/title-lists | 15:57 |
| kanzure | yep | 16:01 |
| kanzure | delinquentme: it would be nice of you if you would assemble bibtex for each volume of each issue of each item listed her | 16:04 |
| kanzure | *here | 16:04 |
| kanzure | http://www.ebscohost.com/titleLists/asm-journals.xls | 16:04 |
| delinquentme | so go through and create a document of all of the research journals published by each of these publications | 16:09 |
| kanzure | are you telling me to do that? | 16:09 |
| kanzure | that's not what i said :x | 16:09 |
| thesnark | pizzabeer | 16:09 |
| thesnark | is made of ownage | 16:09 |
| kanzure | hi thesnark | 16:09 |
| thesnark | can't stay long, intoxicated | 16:10 |
| delinquentme | no i mean thats what youre asking right? | 16:10 |
| kanzure | delinquentme: i want a global citation index for each of the journals in that .xls file | 16:10 |
| kanzure | no | 16:10 |
| kanzure | each journal has volumes and issues | 16:10 |
| kanzure | each issue-volume has a number of papers | 16:10 |
| kanzure | you call these 'citations' | 16:10 |
| thesnark | kanzure can you give an example? Would it just be a list of numbers with associated articles? | 16:10 |
| kanzure | each citation refers and identifies a specific paper | 16:10 |
| delinquentme | volumes and issues? | 16:10 |
| kanzure | thesnark: nope.. one sec | 16:10 |
| kanzure | delinquentme: yes.. | 16:10 |
| delinquentme | and I thought citations are individual references to other papers | 16:11 |
| kanzure | yes.. each journal has a number of volume-issues and each one has a list of papers | 16:11 |
| kanzure | you refer to these with a well-formed citation | 16:11 |
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| kanzure | thesnark: well, my example is just some code.. but it would be faster to just show you | 16:12 |
| thesnark | alright, no need for anything elaborate | 16:12 |
| kanzure | http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/journal/0166445X | 16:12 |
| kanzure | click "EXPORT CITATIONS" | 16:12 |
| kanzure | click "BIBTEX FORMAT" | 16:12 |
| kanzure | oh also click "CITATIONS AND ABSTRACTS" | 16:13 |
| kanzure | anyway i have code that does this for sciencedirect | 16:13 |
| kanzure | but not ebscohost or wiley or springerhumpdinker | 16:13 |
| kanzure | so that link is Aquatic Toxicology (Volumes 114–115) | 16:14 |
| kanzure | apparently this journal doesn't do issues.. so that's a bad example to explain issues | 16:14 |
| thesnark | kanzure ok, gotcha | 16:14 |
| n_bentha | I think each paper should include a citation of itself at the beggining or end of the paper. | 16:14 |
| thesnark | kanzure do you prefer one enormous file or some kind of lookup system? | 16:14 |
| delinquentme | one BF DB would be awesome | 16:15 |
| kanzure | thesnark: i prefer a journals object, and each journal should have a number of issues/volumes, and each issue-volume instance should have a list of individual citations | 16:15 |
| n_bentha | In standard MLA format. Or some new Science Article Format that publishers can agree on. | 16:15 |
| kanzure | n_bentha: bibtex | 16:15 |
| delinquentme | whats the difference between issues and volumes | 16:15 |
| delinquentme | which is the smaller unit | 16:16 |
| thesnark | volumes are made of issues I believe | 16:16 |
| kanzure | they can do whatever they want | 16:16 |
| thesnark | pardon me, but what do you mean by BF delinquentme? | 16:16 |
| thesnark | yeah it's just the name they assign | 16:16 |
| delinquentme | lolol | 16:16 |
| kanzure | they can have multiple issues per volume or multiple volumes per issue because fuck you you're paying them $25,000/issue | 16:17 |
| n_bentha | Kanzure: they should do it for us. So we just have to copy/past the freaking citations. | 16:17 |
| delinquentme | so the unit you want | 16:17 |
| delinquentme | is it not individual research paper with references? | 16:17 |
| kanzure | thesnark: this is how i am verifying my coverage of the entirety of science. | 16:17 |
| thesnark | kanzure would love to help with that | 16:18 |
| kanzure | delinquentme: the pdf is nice and all, but i'd rather grab that myself because so far i haven't met *anynoe* that is careful with the metadata | 16:18 |
| thesnark | just mention me in any ideas you have in channel and I'll read them tomorrow | 16:18 |
| thesnark | in the meantime, it is time for zombie shooters | 16:18 |
| kanzure | i just get some_shit.tar and people expect OCR to magically work | 16:18 |
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| delinquentme | THE most important shit you will hear about all week : http://news.discovery.com/tech/world-most-powerful-laser-120322.html | 16:20 |
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| delinquentme | kanzure, I dont really understand what you're after | 16:24 |
| kanzure | delinquentme: ok what part about bibtex do you not understand | 16:24 |
| delinquentme | you're getting the journal citations instead of the paper citations? | 16:24 |
| delinquentme | ah bibtext == citation | 16:25 |
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| delinquentme | kanzure, do I have the most recent version of your code? | 16:27 |
| kanzure | i have no ebscohost code | 16:27 |
| delinquentme | nah but the science direct | 16:28 |
| delinquentme | these are all basically made to grab those bibtext files | 16:28 |
| delinquentme | ja? | 16:28 |
| kanzure | no i was in the middle of a rewrite | 16:28 |
| delinquentme | does the rewrite run? | 16:28 |
| kanzure | no i was in the middle of it | 16:28 |
| delinquentme | using phantom? | 16:29 |
| kanzure | no | 16:29 |
| kanzure | what? | 16:30 |
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| delinquentme | hurm? | 16:34 |
| delinquentme | so we need a ton of bibtexes | 16:34 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, you still the best versed w phantom? | 16:40 |
| kanzure | what are you asking? | 16:41 |
| delinquentme | is that what you're most productive in? | 16:41 |
| delinquentme | do you want me to work with that | 16:41 |
| kanzure | no i am most productive with python-requests | 16:42 |
| delinquentme | also : do you know these bibtext have no citations | 16:42 |
| kanzure | these are citations. | 16:42 |
| kanzure | that's what bibtex encodes. | 16:42 |
| delinquentme | im looking at an issue | 16:43 |
| delinquentme | and it has a list of titles and other information about a single research paper | 16:43 |
| kanzure | no an issue should have multiple papers in its bibtex file | 16:43 |
| delinquentme | no listing of the papers that THAT research paper references | 16:43 |
| delinquentme | yeah it does | 16:43 |
| kanzure | so? | 16:44 |
| kanzure | sounds like it's working to me? | 16:44 |
| delinquentme | @article{Rhee2012104, | 16:44 |
| delinquentme | title = "P-glycoprotein (P-gp) in the monogonont rotifer, Brachionus koreanus: Molecular characterization and expression in response to pharmaceuticals", | 16:44 |
| delinquentme | journal = "Aquatic Toxicology", | 16:44 |
| delinquentme | volume = "114–115", | 16:44 |
| delinquentme | number = "0", | 16:44 |
| delinquentme | pages = "104 - 118", | 16:44 |
| kanzure | yep | 16:44 |
| delinquentme | year = "2012", | 16:44 |
| delinquentme | note = "", | 16:44 |
| delinquentme | issn = "0166-445X", | 16:44 |
| delinquentme | doi = "10.1016/j.aquatox.2012.02.009", | 16:44 |
| kanzure | this is just the bibetx for this issue | 16:44 |
| delinquentme | url = "http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166445X12000598", | 16:44 |
| delinquentme | author = "Jae-Sung Rhee and Chang-Bum Jeong and Bo-Mi Kim and Jae-Seong Lee", | 16:44 |
| delinquentme | keywords = "P-glycoprotein", | 16:44 |
| delinquentme | keywords = "Monogonont rotifer", | 16:44 |
| delinquentme | keywords = "Pharmaceutical", | 16:44 |
| kanzure | for 0166-445X | 16:44 |
| delinquentme | keywords = "Antibiotics", | 16:44 |
| delinquentme | keywords = "Expression", | 16:44 |
| delinquentme | keywords = "Growth retardation", | 16:44 |
| delinquentme | abstract = "P-glycoprotein is involved in the efflux of diverse chemicals, including hydrophobic compounds and pharmaceuticals as a first line of defense. Here, we firstly identified and characterized the P-gp (Bk-P-gp) gene in the rotifer, Brachionus koreanus. Bk-P-gp was highly conserved in genomic organization compared to the human P-gp gene. Messenger RNA expression of Bk-P-gp revealed that it would be regulated by t | 16:44 |
| delinquentme | emperature change via 14 heat shock response elements in its promoter region. Bk-P-gp showed a high similarity of motifs/domains compared to those of vertebrates in its amino acid sequences. To check whether Bk-P-gp would be inducible, we exposed B. koreanus to six pharmaceuticals including antibiotics for use in aquaculture and observed dose- and time-dependency on transcripts of Bk-P-gp for 24 h over a wide range | 16:45 |
| delinquentme | of concentration. Efflux assay and membrane topology supported its conserved function for transportation of a number of chemicals upon cellular damage. To reveal the effect of pharmaceuticals on the rotifer, we measured survival rate and population growth rate after exposure to six pharmaceuticals. In an acute toxicity test, both NOEC and LC50 values for all the pharmaceuticals were high for 24 h. ATP, CBZ, SMX, and | 16:45 |
| delinquentme | TMP markedly inhibited the population growth of B. koreanus after exposure up to | 16:45 |
| delinquentme | shit. | 16:45 |
| delinquentme | well there it is lol | 16:45 |
| delinquentme | theres no reference to the papers that paper references | 16:45 |
| chris_99 | that's not what bibtex provides | 16:45 |
| chris_99 | bibtex doesn't give you the citations in the paper | 16:45 |
| delinquentme | we need that | 16:45 |
| kanzure | chris_99 is correct | 16:45 |
| kanzure | delinquentme: who does? | 16:46 |
| kanzure | this is just so that we can see what papers each journal has | 16:46 |
| kanzure | that's all | 16:46 |
| delinquentme | if you're building something that can gauge something like an impact factor | 16:46 |
| kanzure | this way, i know whether or not your some_shit_papers.tar has all of the papers for the ournal | 16:46 |
| kanzure | i am not building anything related to impact factor | 16:46 |
| delinquentme | i was having a discussion w the dude at homolog.us about that | 16:46 |
| chris_99 | if you want to find which papers cite a particular paper you can do that using google scholar | 16:46 |
| delinquentme | how to build a system which excludes publishers | 16:47 |
| kanzure | now you're just changing the subject | 16:47 |
| delinquentme | pagerank for research papers | 16:47 |
| kanzure | fuck | 16:47 |
| delinquentme | yeah | 16:47 |
| delinquentme | thats a different thing from this | 16:47 |
| kanzure | chris_99: not really.. you can't download the scholar.google.com dataset | 16:47 |
| chris_99 | you just enter the name of the paper click a few links | 16:48 |
| chris_99 | hey presto :) | 16:48 |
| kanzure | chris_99: that requires manual labor and is retarded | 16:48 |
| kanzure | this is 2012 | 16:48 |
| kanzure | not 1983 | 16:48 |
| chris_99 | er, you can script it ;) | 16:48 |
| kanzure | anyway.. | 16:48 |
| kanzure | chris_99: yes, but you can't prove that you have 100% coverage over google's dataset | 16:48 |
| chris_99 | i never said that's what i was trying to do | 16:48 |
| kanzure | getting bibtex for each journal is to prove that anyone contributing pdfs has complete coverage for the journal | 16:48 |
| chris_99 | i said to get the citations for a paritcular paper | 16:48 |
| delinquentme | ok kanzure im gonna run this agan | 16:50 |
| delinquentme | again | 16:50 |
| delinquentme | do you want me to work on the phantomjs | 16:50 |
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| kanzure | not really | 16:51 |
| kanzure | can you please get me bibtex for each of the journals' issues' volumes listed in http://www.ebscohost.com/titleLists/asm-journals.xls | 16:52 |
| delinquentme | so you just want all the bibtex files for the journals listed in that file | 16:53 |
| delinquentme | LISTEN KIDS dont do pickup. | 16:53 |
| kanzure | no each journal has more than one bibtex file | 16:53 |
| kanzure | *no, | 16:54 |
| delinquentme | yeah they've got a bibtex for each issue | 16:54 |
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| delinquentme | ok coo | 17:01 |
| delinquentme | l | 17:01 |
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| delinquentme | kanzure, | 17:03 |
| delinquentme | bibtex files | 17:03 |
| delinquentme | from all of these journals | 17:03 |
| delinquentme | and their issues | 17:03 |
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| kanzure | yep | 17:04 |
| kanzure | preferably with metadata for each of the journals | 17:05 |
| kanzure | and metadata for each issue.. like date, number of pages, url | 17:05 |
| kanzure | rss link | 17:05 |
| delinquentme | http://www.annualreviews.org/action/showCitFormats?doi=10.1146/annurev-matsci-062910-100359&doi=10.1146/annurev-matsci-062910-095803&doi=10.1146/annurev-matsci-062910-095806&doi=10.1146/annurev-matsci-062910-100351&doi=10.1146/annurev-matsci-062910-100429&doi=10.1146/annurev-matsci-062910-100431&doi=10.1146/annurev-matsci-062910-100425&doi=10.1146/annurev-matsci-062910-100448&doi=10.1146/annurev-matsci-062910-100341&doi= | 17:08 |
| delinquentme | 10.1146/annurev-matsci-062910-100344&doi=10.1146/annurev-matsci-062910-100434&doi=10.1146/annurev-matsci-062910-100437&doi=10.1146/annurev-matsci-062910-095759&doi=10.1146/annurev-matsci-062910-100347&doi=10.1146/annurev-matsci-062910-100442&doi=10.1146/annurev-matsci-062910-100445&doi=10.1146/annurev-matsci-062910-100453& | 17:08 |
| delinquentme | damn | 17:08 |
| delinquentme | so the options are citations and references OR citations and abstracts | 17:08 |
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| kanzure | how about both | 17:10 |
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| delinquentme | Anglican Theological Review kanzure | 17:16 |
| delinquentme | ^ good one | 17:16 |
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| delinquentme | kanzure, | 17:30 |
| delinquentme | it seems that there would be better returns to mechanical turk most of these | 17:30 |
| kanzure | can't code? | 17:30 |
| delinquentme | so for the few journals which have a number of publications sure thats worth the time | 17:31 |
| delinquentme | like this "Annual reviews Inc" | 17:32 |
| kanzure | there are thousands of journals | 17:32 |
| delinquentme | bc they've got like 20 journals .. but different scraping software for each of these publishers? | 17:32 |
| kanzure | if you code for the publisher's website, you can capture all the info at once | 17:32 |
| kanzure | 10min per publisher | 17:32 |
| delinquentme | this is true | 17:32 |
| virnovus | these drug laws are so fucking stupid | 17:33 |
| delinquentme | virnovus, lets be friends | 17:34 |
| virnovus | sounds good | 17:34 |
| uniqanomaly | virnovus: 'give me the man, and I will find the crime' | 17:34 |
| delinquentme | uniqanomaly, =] | 17:35 |
| virnovus | i dunno. i kind of feel that me being a convicted felon shows that the laws are fucked up | 17:35 |
| uniqanomaly | delinquentme: I do some scraping lately, ruby + hpricot | 17:36 |
| delinquentme | uniqanomaly, yeah ive heard good things about it | 17:36 |
| delinquentme | im about to run a tut on mechanize | 17:36 |
| virnovus | on the other hand, being a convicted felon is kind of badass | 17:36 |
| kanzure | uniqanomaly: i suggest phantomjs or python+webkit | 17:37 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, talk to meh | 17:38 |
| delinquentme | y u use python picker if you advocate phantomjs | 17:38 |
| katsmeow | how do you get past the $20 paywall per article? | 17:39 |
| delinquentme | HABLAMOS CON MIAGAMOS | 17:39 |
| kanzure | katsmeow: subscriptions | 17:40 |
| kanzure | delinquentme: python+webkit is exactly like phantomjs, i don't know what you're talking about | 17:40 |
| katsmeow | $86 per journal subscription? cannot do | 17:41 |
| kanzure | katsmeow: who said you were paying? | 17:42 |
| katsmeow | no one offered to pay for me | 17:42 |
| kanzure | don't pay anyway | 17:42 |
| kanzure | just use pre-existing subscriptions | 17:42 |
| katsmeow | no one offered me a pre-existing, oh nevermind | 17:42 |
| kanzure | katsmeow: you either bruteforce it or find it yourself | 17:43 |
| kanzure | this is not a hard problem | 17:43 |
| AdrianG | katsmeow: what journal | 17:43 |
| kanzure | AdrianG: all of them | 17:43 |
| AdrianG | kanzure: public libraries | 17:43 |
| AdrianG | or email the authors asking for a copy | 17:43 |
| AdrianG | some journals are open access | 17:43 |
| kanzure | you can't email all authors of all papers ever | 17:43 |
| kanzure | also, publi libraries are not an ideal location to run scrapers | 17:44 |
| kanzure | *public | 17:44 |
| AdrianG | example: http://www.jbiomedsci.com/ | 17:44 |
| AdrianG | oh scrapers... | 17:44 |
| kanzure | your strategy sucks | 17:44 |
| AdrianG | u want to do it in bulk | 17:44 |
| AdrianG | i thought u just here and there | 17:44 |
| kanzure | AdrianG: i am making a mirror of the entirety of science | 17:45 |
| AdrianG | gotcha | 17:45 |
| AdrianG | g'luck and carry on | 17:45 |
| kanzure | public libraries seem to be against this goal | 17:45 |
| ParahSailin | how about this -- first make a bitcoin micropayment marketplace for article retrieval | 17:46 |
| kanzure | why | 17:46 |
| ParahSailin | this will starve out the media cartels | 17:46 |
| kanzure | why would you pay for it though? | 17:47 |
| ParahSailin | and then you can keep working on a free thingy | 17:47 |
| kanzure | the payment part doesn't make sense to me | 17:47 |
| kanzure | the publishers make money when the researchers give them $1000/page or libraries subscribe for $20,000/page | 17:47 |
| ParahSailin | nobody would pay 5 cents for an article? | 17:47 |
| kanzure | well there's >30 million articles | 17:47 |
| kanzure | so paying 5 cents for each is very impractical | 17:48 |
| ParahSailin | most researchers dont want 30 million articles | 17:48 |
| ParahSailin | they just need the one they need | 17:48 |
| kanzure | they don't matter | 17:48 |
| kanzure | they will benefit from a complete mirror of science anyway | 17:48 |
| kanzure | if they like paying so much they can just get one of those awful deepdyve.com accounts | 17:49 |
| delinquentme | kk guys relocating | 17:50 |
| delinquentme | brb | 17:50 |
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| ParahSailin | so it would be pretty trivial to mirror all the papers? | 17:50 |
| virnovus | anyone ever go to sciencemadness.org | 17:50 |
| kanzure | virnovus: yep | 17:50 |
| kanzure | ParahSailin: to be honest, the verification problem is sort of trivial but sort of not | 17:50 |
| virnovus | have been a regular there | 17:51 |
| ParahSailin | verification? | 17:51 |
| kanzure | ParahSailin: when people scrape papers and journals, they don't inlude metadata | 17:51 |
| kanzure | ParahSailin: so they just assume that OCR will be able to identify what the file is | 17:51 |
| kanzure | but this is not very practical | 17:51 |
| kanzure | virnovus: last i checked, sciencemadness was dead | 17:51 |
| kanzure | virnovus: http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/about | 17:51 |
| virnovus | kanzure: i posted a reaction there once, I have a feeling Nicodem profited from my discovery | 17:52 |
| ParahSailin | so you just need to provide a standardized script for scraping to ensure inclusion of metadata? | 17:54 |
| kanzure | ParahSailin: correct! | 17:54 |
| kanzure | ParahSailin: what i've decided on is to get all journals + metadata, and bibtex for each issue | 17:54 |
| kanzure | to describe which papers appear in which journals | 17:54 |
| kanzure | this way, we can be sure that we have a complete copy of journal xyz | 17:55 |
| kanzure | (once we start gathering pdfs) | 17:55 |
| ParahSailin | pubmed is a good source of metadata | 17:56 |
| kanzure | i think it would be better to just start from the publisher's sites | 17:57 |
| kanzure | because you can assume that they have an accurate index of their own properties | 17:57 |
| kanzure | so this means things like: wiley interscience, ebscohost, sciencedirect, nature, annualreviews.org, royal society of chemistry, .. | 17:58 |
| ParahSailin | so use pubmed's as a fallback and then manually write extensions for the major publishers | 17:58 |
| kanzure | it's a little awkward that nobody has a freely downloadable index of "the entirety of science" | 17:59 |
| jrayhawk | uh, well, considering the LHC alone generates something on the order of tens of petabytes annually, indexing is not really all that easy! | 18:01 |
| kanzure | that ain't 10s of petabytes of papers? | 18:01 |
| kanzure | ah well i guess you got me: i meant to specify papaers | 18:02 |
| jrayhawk | oh, you just want publications | 18:02 |
| kanzure | papers | 18:02 |
| kanzure | yes | 18:02 |
| jrayhawk | yes, that is embarassing | 18:02 |
| kanzure | human scientists ha ha ha | 18:02 |
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| virnovus | heh, this bisexual indian girl i know is coming by my place soon | 18:10 |
| delinquentme | ZOMG | 18:10 |
| delinquentme | virnovus, do it | 18:10 |
| delinquentme | HER HER HER | 18:10 |
| delinquentme | sorry | 18:10 |
| delinquentme | :D | 18:10 |
| katsmeow | :-| | 18:10 |
| virnovus | she wants weed | 18:10 |
| delinquentme | ^^^^ | 18:11 |
| delinquentme | thats awesome | 18:11 |
| virnovus | shes with some guy but I don't know if they're together or not | 18:12 |
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| virnovus | i don't think they are | 18:21 |
| virnovus | hell, i'd be down for a devil's three-way if need be | 18:21 |
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| Steel2 | eh, that's right, weed is legal in NYS, isn't it | 18:45 |
| delinquentme | virnovus, #pickup will kill your soul | 18:50 |
| delinquentme | and youll have tons of fun | 18:50 |
| delinquentme | and its my cynicism talking but girls gleefully pay for entertainment with whatever they have | 18:50 |
| uniqanomaly | gotta catch 'em all on STDs | 18:58 |
| strangewarp | pickup is a blight on human honor | 18:58 |
| strangewarp | imo | 18:58 |
| strangewarp | sorry ._. | 18:58 |
| lichen | lol sex channels on freenode? | 18:59 |
| lichen | possibly better than the hundreds of rp channels on every other network | 18:59 |
| yashgaroth | what sayest thou! | 18:59 |
| kanzure | oh hell i know someone in #pickup | 18:59 |
| kanzure | i mean, know him in person | 19:00 |
| kanzure | actually, this might explain some of martin's oddities | 19:00 |
| kanzure | ah no nevermind | 19:00 |
| kanzure | he's the freenode staffer | 19:00 |
| strangewarp | hahahah | 19:00 |
| lichen | i dont even know what #pickup is all about | 19:00 |
| lichen | but looking at their topic | 19:01 |
| lichen | it looks reddit-related | 19:01 |
| strangewarp | It's about thoroughly analyzing all possible conversation-trees to get women into bed, basically | 19:01 |
| lichen | oh god | 19:01 |
| lichen | PUAs | 19:01 |
| lichen | all my hate | 19:01 |
| strangewarp | yes ugh | 19:01 |
| kanzure | i wish reddit would stop intruding in here | 19:01 |
| lichen | fucking manipulative asshats | 19:01 |
| kanzure | it's getting sorta over-the-top | 19:01 |
| sylph_mako | Reddit is not one thing. | 19:01 |
| lichen | i love hearing the stories of women calling out PUAs | 19:02 |
| lichen | "nice neg, bro" | 19:02 |
| kanzure | lichen: i think being manipulative is a useful skill (though when it's applied to dating is another issue) | 19:02 |
| strangewarp | There but for the grace of weird sexuality go I... | 19:02 |
| lichen | that just makes you an asshole | 19:02 |
| kanzure | yes but you have to be an *effective* asshole | 19:02 |
| lichen | doesnt make me hate you any less for it | 19:02 |
| kanzure | for being an asshole? | 19:03 |
| lichen | if youre manipulative to me or anyone i care about im going to hold it against you | 19:03 |
| kanzure | what about essays? aren't those supposed to be persuasive? | 19:04 |
| kanzure | or i guess i should say debate | 19:04 |
| kanzure | debates are supposed to persuade, etc. etc. | 19:04 |
| lichen | there's a subtle difference there | 19:04 |
| kanzure | yes? | 19:04 |
| lichen | but once again we're coming down to semantics | 19:04 |
| strangewarp | There's a difference between impassioned oratory and following a script, I imagine is the point | 19:04 |
| lichen | manipulation is a different beast | 19:04 |
| kanzure | lichen: i don't have a strong opinion about this, so i'm trying to see what your opinion is | 19:04 |
| kanzure | ok, so manipulation is different | 19:04 |
| lichen | persuasion and debate is about presenting facts/opinions in ways to show the other side where you're coming from | 19:05 |
| lichen | where manipulation can be straight-up lying, abusing, and redirecting someone until they do what you want | 19:05 |
| Vicarious | hi | 19:05 |
| kanzure | i think it gets blury if you're an expert at persuasion | 19:06 |
| lichen | im outta here, boyfriend's over | 19:06 |
| lichen | later | 19:06 |
| kanzure | seeya | 19:06 |
| strangewarp | Oratory is honorable, and additionally an extremely useful skill to cultivate, since it encourages both clear thinking and clear communication, without having to fall back on any sort of mental script | 19:06 |
| kanzure | what's wrong with scripting :( | 19:06 |
| strangewarp | I am.. OK at it. Used to be abysmal | 19:06 |
| Steel2 | kanzure: Not necessarily my view, but the answer most often given is 'you're treating people like objects instead of people' | 19:07 |
| Steel2 | and in a sexual situation, it has some unfortunate overlaps with sexual objectification | 19:07 |
| Steel2 | again, NMV | 19:07 |
| kanzure | are you saying that they claim that getting what you want is immoral? | 19:08 |
| kanzure | or something | 19:08 |
| Steel2 | no, they claim that sexual objectification/treating people as things without agency is immoral/manipulating agency is immoral | 19:09 |
| kanzure | i've been manipulating you to type messages into irc. is that immoral in their model? | 19:09 |
| Steel2 | it's not sexual objectification under a patriarchal society | 19:09 |
| strangewarp | The goal of pickup is to reduce another person's actions to nodes in a predetermined decision-tree, and thereby you capture a person's attempts at choice, creating a situation where they either have to forcefully break the cycle or assent to ending up in bed. | 19:09 |
| strangewarp | It's escalation, for skeevy reasons. | 19:10 |
| kanzure | ok PUA is a different beast: originally i started by saying that those manipulative skills are generally useful | 19:10 |
| strangewarp | oh ok | 19:10 |
| Steel2 | oh, I'll agree with that | 19:10 |
| kanzure | lichen did not :| | 19:10 |
| kanzure | w/e | 19:10 |
| Steel2 | we have more 'soft' definitions of manipulation | 19:10 |
| Steel2 | most people's definitions of manipulation inherently include intentional deceit | 19:11 |
| Steel2 | as opposed to rephrasing | 19:11 |
| kanzure | deceit "to their ideal model of what they think you might represent" is a hard thing to prove because you have no idea what they are thinking; you can only rely on what has been said | 19:11 |
| kanzure | (and your observations) | 19:11 |
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| Steel2 | correct | 19:12 |
| Steel2 | which is why in normal social situations, manipulation is often hard to prove | 19:12 |
| kanzure | one time, i was on a flight from SF with this guy who was investing in this large real estate purchase in austin | 19:12 |
| kanzure | something like $700 million USD | 19:12 |
| kanzure | earlier that day a friend handed me a project about real estate marketing software | 19:12 |
| kanzure | so i told him, yeah, i write software for real estate purchases between $900M and $5.5B | 19:13 |
| kanzure | this wasn't really deceit: anyone could have originally written this software | 19:13 |
| kanzure | and for all practical purposes, i might as well have been the one who wrote it | 19:13 |
| kanzure | and as a bonus, i made an interesting contact | 19:13 |
| Steel2 | dude, I'm not judging shit like that. | 19:13 |
| kanzure | you already made that clear :p | 19:14 |
| kanzure | yeah | 19:14 |
| strangewarp | Capital encourages inauthenticity, and the more authentic one can be while attaining capital, the more praiseworthy it is. ... Though I have a feeling Marx is rolling in his grave over it | 19:14 |
| Steel2 | honestly, the more I give in to my objectifying side the more authentic I feel | 19:15 |
| kanzure | what does "objectifiying side" mean | 19:15 |
| Steel2 | all people are objects that have certain functions relevant to my purposes ie tools | 19:15 |
| kanzure | as opposed to what? | 19:16 |
| Steel2 | uh, presumable believing the fact they have hopes and dreams mean anything | 19:16 |
| Steel2 | I dunno, I'm bad at not treating people like tools | 19:16 |
| kanzure | it does mean something: those things influence the person and you can use that to predict their behavior | 19:16 |
| Steel2 | hopes and dreams are just levers and vectors to indicate the use of a tool >_> | 19:16 |
| strangewarp | People do tend to be massive tools, yeah | 19:16 |
| Steel2 | yeah, exactly | 19:16 |
| strangewarp | ;) | 19:17 |
| kanzure | ok.. so again i don't see why you said "side" | 19:17 |
| kanzure | you have not indicated what the alternative is | 19:17 |
| Steel2 | ignoring social analysis and going with the flow, iunno | 19:17 |
| Steel2 | not being myself | 19:17 |
| kanzure | not being yourself sounds pretty hard | 19:17 |
| delinquentme | GEH | 19:17 |
| Steel2 | on the other hand, sexual objectification is still dumb | 19:17 |
| delinquentme | it looks like mechanize derives all its actions from a form element | 19:17 |
| kanzure | delinquentme: yes | 19:18 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, you say this like you know | 19:18 |
| delinquentme | ? | 19:18 |
| kanzure | delinquentme: i think you should just write a script to parse the html and choose which other links to parse | 19:18 |
| kanzure | yeah i've used turk | 19:18 |
| kanzure | in the past. | 19:18 |
| delinquentme | whats turk? | 19:18 |
| kanzure | i am not currently actively using amazon mturk | 19:18 |
| kanzure | oh sorry | 19:18 |
| kanzure | you said mechanize | 19:18 |
| kanzure | right! i also have used mechanize | 19:18 |
| delinquentme | yeahhh | 19:18 |
| kanzure | >_< | 19:18 |
| kanzure | well it doesn't matter. i've used both | 19:18 |
| kanzure | i thought you said you were using mechanicalturk earlier today | 19:19 |
| delinquentme | i just tweeted @tenderlove well see if he responds | 19:19 |
| kanzure | but i see now that you said mechanize | 19:19 |
| delinquentme | I can locate the shit with nokogiri | 19:19 |
| delinquentme | but its a noko element instead of a mechanize | 19:19 |
| kanzure | why is that problematic? | 19:19 |
| kanzure | do this: | 19:19 |
| delinquentme | yeah bc i cant call mechanize methods on it | 19:19 |
| kanzure | some_noko_el.find("//div[@id='ohshit']") | 19:19 |
| kanzure | you don't need the mechanize actions except for get/post | 19:20 |
| delinquentme | can I coerce it into a mechanize element | 19:20 |
| delinquentme | checkboxes? | 19:20 |
| delinquentme | = true ? | 19:20 |
| kanzure | checkboxes can be manipulated via the mechanize object | 19:20 |
| delinquentme | if you can select them | 19:20 |
| delinquentme | but I cant currently | 19:20 |
| delinquentme | bc they're not inside a form | 19:20 |
| kanzure | mechanize_agent.current_page.form_with(:name => "OH FUCK").checkboxes | 19:20 |
| kanzure | or see .checkbox_with(:name => "checkbox name goes here") | 19:21 |
| delinquentme | yeah but page.checkbox_with gives no method error | 19:21 |
| kanzure | i didn't say page.checkbox_with :( | 19:22 |
| delinquentme | and its not IN a form | 19:22 |
| delinquentme | thats the issue | 19:22 |
| delinquentme | form.action == awesome | 19:22 |
| kanzure | checkbox1 = mechanize_agent.current_page.forms[0].checkboxes[0] | 19:22 |
| delinquentme | the checkboxes I want arent within a form element to select | 19:22 |
| kanzure | checkbox1.checked = true | 19:22 |
| kanzure | delinquentme: give me the url | 19:22 |
| delinquentme | http://www.annualreviews.org/toc/matsci/22/1 | 19:23 |
| kanzure | where is the checkbox on this page? | 19:23 |
| kanzure | oh i see | 19:23 |
| kanzure | checkbox1.checked = trueou aiming for? | 19:23 |
| kanzure | ieijfkajsdklf | 19:23 |
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| kanzure | which checkboxes are you aiming for? | 19:23 |
| delinquentme | id = selectAllCB | 19:23 |
| kanzure | ok one sec | 19:24 |
| delinquentme | select / unselect all reviews | 19:24 |
| kanzure | booting up irb :( | 19:24 |
| delinquentme | sure | 19:24 |
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| kanzure | page = agent.get("http://www.annualreviews.org/toc/matsci/22/1") | 19:25 |
| kanzure | oh well first | 19:25 |
| kanzure | you should notice that there is only one form on the page (search box) | 19:25 |
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| delinquentme | yeah | 19:25 |
| delinquentme | and I dont need it | 19:26 |
| kanzure | the select box and checkboxes are controlled by javascript callbacks | 19:26 |
| kanzure | so, even if you did select "select / unselect all reviews" in mechanize, it wouldn't do anything | 19:26 |
| kanzure | you have to select the checkboxes that you want manually | 19:26 |
| delinquentme | Manually != by clicking in browser | 19:26 |
| delinquentme | how automate | 19:27 |
| delinquentme | ? | 19:27 |
| kanzure | loop through all the checkboxes and select them :) | 19:27 |
| delinquentme | with what | 19:27 |
| delinquentme | nokogiri? | 19:27 |
| kanzure | also .. for the "form" submission.. look at the definition of bulkChange in their javascript | 19:27 |
| kanzure | one sec.. | 19:27 |
| kanzure | >> page.search("//input[@type='checkbox']").length | 19:28 |
| kanzure | => 13 | 19:28 |
| delinquentme | yeah thats a nokogiri element | 19:28 |
| kanzure | so? | 19:28 |
| kanzure | you need to get their ids/names so that you can do agent.post() later | 19:28 |
| delinquentme | how do you check that | 19:29 |
| delinquentme | ohh you're saying in the post command post those as true | 19:29 |
| kanzure | page.search("//input[@type='checkbox']").each do |checkbox| puts checkbox.name end | 19:29 |
| kanzure | well not quite | 19:29 |
| kanzure | you will need to see how the javascript posts this information | 19:29 |
| kanzure | because they are not using form submission.. they are using a javascript callback handler to look at which elements on the page a user has selected or some shit | 19:30 |
| delinquentme | this would be better with something like a browser emulator no? | 19:30 |
| kanzure | *if* you were using phantomjs.. you would just call jQuery("#selectAllCB").click() heh | 19:30 |
| delinquentme | but the one we used cant download shit | 19:30 |
| kanzure | no it is able to download things | 19:30 |
| delinquentme | yeah. | 19:30 |
| delinquentme | where? | 19:30 |
| kanzure | i fixed that. | 19:30 |
| delinquentme | how | 19:30 |
| delinquentme | is that in the new code? | 19:31 |
| delinquentme | lol stupid issues piss me off. | 19:31 |
| kanzure | you can do $.ajax calls in phantomjs to the target page that you want to download | 19:31 |
| kanzure | then in your success callback you assume that everything in the first parameter (the "data" variable usually) is the content of the file | 19:32 |
| delinquentme | show me what you're doing | 19:32 |
| delinquentme | exampaulz | 19:32 |
| kanzure | $.ajax({'type': 'POST', 'async': false, 'dataType': 'text', 'url': 'http://www.sciencedirect.com/science', 'data': citeform_data1, success: function(data, status, xhr) { console.log("in the callback handler for the citation fetcher"); bibtex_data = data; }}); | 19:33 |
| kanzure | oh that's right.. you can set async=false. i forgot about that.. would have saved my ass a week ago on something else. | 19:34 |
| kanzure | documentation: http://api.jquery.com/jQuery.ajax/ | 19:34 |
| kanzure | anyway.. you can use mechanize for that page that you were showing me a few minutes ago | 19:35 |
| kanzure | but again you will need to look at their javascript | 19:36 |
| kanzure | to see how to construct your next POST request | 19:36 |
| kanzure | i don't understand why you are clicking the checkbox anyway? | 19:36 |
| kanzure | "Download Citations" in the select box always goes here: | 19:37 |
| kanzure | http://www.annualreviews.org/action/showCitFormats?doi=10.1146/annurev.mr.22.072806.100001&doi=10.1146/annurev.ms.22.080192.000245&doi=10.1146/annurev.ms.22.080192.000323&doi=10.1146/annurev.ms.22.080192.000403&doi=10.1146/annurev.ms.22.080192.000515&doi=10.1146/annurev.ms.22.080192.001005&doi=10.1146/annurev.ms.22.080192.001101&doi=10.1146/annurev.ms.22.080192.001131&doi=10.1146/annurev.ms.22.080192.001213&doi=10.1146/annurev.ms.22.080192.001245&d | 19:37 |
| kanzure | and you can figure out how to construct that link based on the contents of the page (looking at nokogiri objects) | 19:37 |
| kanzure | it looks like it just needs a list of doi values | 19:37 |
| kanzure | actually this is pretty easy | 19:38 |
| delinquentme | so you're saying just build the URL | 19:38 |
| kanzure | yes, one moment.. | 19:38 |
| delinquentme | yeah I got it .. modified the URL and it looks good.. removed that element off the page | 19:39 |
| delinquentme | but yeah how do I get those items | 19:39 |
| kanzure | one sec | 19:39 |
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| kanzure | delinquentme: here you go | 19:41 |
| kanzure | dois=[]; page.search("//a").each do |ahref| url=ahref.attributes["href"].text(); if url.include? "doi/abs" then dois << url.split("/doi/abs/")[1] end end | 19:41 |
| delinquentme | doi=10.1146/annurev.mr.22.072806.100001& | 19:41 |
| delinquentme | doi=10.1146/annurev.ms.22.080192.000245& | 19:41 |
| delinquentme | doi=10.1146/annurev.ms.22.080192.000323& | 19:41 |
| delinquentme | doi=10.1146/annurev.ms.22.080192.000403& | 19:41 |
| delinquentme | doi=10.1146/annurev.ms.22.080192.000515& | 19:41 |
| delinquentme | doi=10.1146/annurev.ms.22.080192.001005& | 19:41 |
| delinquentme | doi=10.1146/annurev.ms.22.080192.001101& | 19:42 |
| delinquentme | doi=10.1146/annurev.ms.22.080192.001131& | 19:42 |
| delinquentme | doi=10.1146/annurev.ms.22.080192.001213 | 19:42 |
| kanzure | oh, well my code is sorta broken | 19:42 |
| delinquentme | so each has a link to their doi | 19:42 |
| kanzure | dois=[]; page.search("//a").each do |ahref| url=ahref.attributes["href"].text(); if url.include? "doi/abs" then dois << url.split("/doi/abs/")[1].split("?")[0] end end | 19:42 |
| kanzure | this will give you: | 19:42 |
| kanzure | dois = ["10.1146/annurev.mr.22.072806.100001", "10.1146/annurev.ms.22.080192.000245", ...] | 19:43 |
| kanzure | so to construct your url.. | 19:43 |
| delinquentme | f me in the a | 19:45 |
| kanzure | afters = ""; dois.each do |doi| afters+="&doi="+doi end | 19:45 |
| kanzure | url = "http://www.annualreviews.org/action/showCitFormats?" + afters | 19:45 |
| delinquentme | i cant even find those DOis | 19:45 |
| delinquentme | yeah i got the url | 19:45 |
| kanzure | huh? what about my dois=[] thing | 19:45 |
| kanzure | i just showed you how to get them | 19:45 |
| delinquentme | HAAAA | 19:45 |
| delinquentme | and its in a fucking form | 19:45 |
| delinquentme | tits | 19:45 |
| delinquentme | yeah! i comprehend | 19:45 |
| delinquentme | but how did you locate them | 19:45 |
| delinquentme | im looking at the hrefs | 19:45 |
| delinquentme | nm! | 19:46 |
| delinquentme | see it | 19:46 |
| kanzure | well first i looked at the html source | 19:46 |
| kanzure | and i went to the name of an article on the page | 19:46 |
| kanzure | and saw that the link had a doi | 19:46 |
| kanzure | so i figured that each article listed on the page will have a link with its doi in the url | 19:46 |
| kanzure | so you can confirm this real quick with: | 19:46 |
| kanzure | page.search("//a").each do |ahref| puts ahref.attributes["href"].text(); end | 19:47 |
| kanzure | so when i saw that, i saw 215 or 255 links (or something) and all the DOIs were there | 19:47 |
| kanzure | so that's why i decided to write that huge blurb above | 19:47 |
| kanzure | dois=[]; page.search("//a").each do |ahref| url=ahref.attributes["href"].text(); if url.include? "doi/abs" then dois << url.split("/doi/abs/")[1].split("?")[0] end end | 19:47 |
| kanzure | actually.. the url that it spits out is much larger than the one you originally pasted | 19:48 |
| kanzure | so i think there might be redundancies | 19:48 |
| kanzure | or there might be a max limit that their service imposes.. in which case you will have to manually split the list up into groups of 10 or whatever the max is (maybe it's not 10, but 9; or maybe there's no limit at all in the first place) | 19:48 |
| delinquentme | fuck ye. | 19:49 |
| delinquentme | DIS WHUT WANT | 19:49 |
| delinquentme | yeah you're thinking what im thinking | 19:50 |
| delinquentme | im gonna try to build a massive query | 19:50 |
| delinquentme | bc tits and giggles | 19:50 |
| kanzure | so look at this.. | 19:51 |
| kanzure | afters = ""; dois.each do |doi| afters+="&doi="+doi end | 19:51 |
| kanzure | url = "http://www.annualreviews.org/action/showCitFormats?" + afters | 19:51 |
| kanzure | page2 = agent.get(url) | 19:51 |
| kanzure | form1 = page2.form_with(:action => "/action/downloadCitation") | 19:51 |
| delinquentme | ^^wut^^ | 19:51 |
| delinquentme | what are you exaplaining how to do? | 19:52 |
| kanzure | form1.radiobutton_with(:value => "bibtex").checked = true | 19:52 |
| kanzure | just follow along | 19:52 |
| delinquentme | ohh nah im good with the mechanize objects | 19:52 |
| kanzure | form1.submit | 19:53 |
| kanzure | well.. | 19:53 |
| kanzure | page3 = form1.submit | 19:53 |
| kanzure | oh crud "multiple radiobuttons are selected" ok well that should be easy to fix | 19:53 |
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| delinquentme | im just gonna open that page and run 2 actions lol | 19:54 |
| delinquentme | you're a hacker @ heart eh kanzure ? | 19:54 |
| kanzure | hackers gonna hack | 19:54 |
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| delinquentme | BWAHAHAHAHAHA | 19:55 |
| kanzure | yashgaroth: if you can comprehend this message then you are not yet drinking hard enough tonight | 19:55 |
| yashgaroth | I've devolved into video games, also not enough booze | 19:56 |
| kanzure | delinquentme: have you grabbed the bibtex output yet? | 20:00 |
| delinquentme | nope | 20:00 |
| kanzure | stuck? | 20:00 |
| delinquentme | selecting out links from http://www.annualreviews.org/loi/matsci | 20:01 |
| delinquentme | waiaaaiai | 20:02 |
| delinquentme | don tell me | 20:02 |
| kanzure | back to the 70s.. nice | 20:02 |
| delinquentme | nice | 20:07 |
| Steel2 | yashgaroth, what are you playing | 20:10 |
| yashgaroth | world of tanks, for some reason | 20:10 |
| Steel2 | ah | 20:10 |
| Steel2 | thinking of pulling up some more T:A | 20:10 |
| Steel2 | but I'm watching a stream | 20:11 |
| yashgaroth | the mlg tourney? | 20:11 |
| Steel2 | no, I don't watch sc2 lol | 20:12 |
| Steel2 | watching some random gw stream | 20:12 |
| yashgaroth | hey man esports are the future and stuff | 20:12 |
| Steel2 | no, it's more I find both sc2 and moba games boring | 20:12 |
| Steel2 | I'd probably watch competitive gw2 | 20:12 |
| yashgaroth | true | 20:13 |
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| delinquentme | damn it feels good getting away w shit | 20:20 |
| kanzure | delinquentme: you also need the right music | 20:21 |
| kanzure | http://player.streamtheworld.com/_core/assets/swf/liveplayer.swf?stamp=1221763875&callsign=KROXFM&streamid=5813&shownowplaying=1&adstype=NOADS&zoneid=0 | 20:21 |
| delinquentme | =] not bad ! | 20:21 |
| delinquentme | i should switch to the high test huh | 20:21 |
| kanzure | it's a program from a town i used to live in (buda, texas) | 20:21 |
| kanzure | called 'no control radio' | 20:21 |
| delinquentme | was dubstepping while I was troubleshooting | 20:22 |
| kanzure | plays black metal on friday/saturday nights | 20:22 |
| delinquentme | but now im plowing sooooo | 20:22 |
| delinquentme | mejal :D | 20:22 |
| strangewarp | hmm | 20:22 |
| strangewarp | kanzure: check out Enslaved. Lovely black metal band. Has had a career that's veered between prog and RAWGH but the quality has always been high | 20:23 |
| kanzure | i know nothing of bands | 20:23 |
| kanzure | or.. well. yeah okay nothing. | 20:23 |
| strangewarp | Vertebrae is my favorite album from Enslaved, though their fans didn't like it quite as much because it wasn't as heavy as their usual output | 20:23 |
| strangewarp | Also, another good black metal band is Solefald - at least, on some of their albums. "Neonism" and "In Harmonia Universali" in particular. They have this lovely combination of modernist aesthetic, compelling riffs, and weird shit, which is irresistible to my musician/transhumanist/artist sensibilities | 20:26 |
| delinquentme | EWWWWW | 20:28 |
| delinquentme | kanz | 20:28 |
| delinquentme | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3m3pM3Z-8Q&ob=av2e | 20:29 |
| delinquentme | dis. | 20:29 |
| strangewarp | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMabfnT_bNs - dis too, natch | 20:30 |
| * strangewarp linksniping q:| | 20:30 | |
| kanzure | win 4 | 20:31 |
| kanzure | eweqeqqeq | 20:31 |
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| strangewarp | hmm, so it's metalcore vs metal | 20:33 |
| strangewarp | metal wins | 20:33 |
| delinquentme | +} | 20:33 |
| strangewarp | :p | 20:33 |
| strangewarp | I dunno, I like my metal brainy and/or bleak; angry stuff with core riffs has never been very appealing to me | 20:35 |
| strangewarp | From the looks of it though, the current form of metalcore has his some sort of demographic sweet-spot | 20:35 |
| strangewarp | his = hit* | 20:35 |
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| strangewarp | Because: 4 million views? what the hot hell | 20:37 |
| kanzure | have you ever hunted down a cricket in your yard just to make it stop singing? | 20:40 |
| kanzure | took me a minute but i got the bastard | 20:40 |
| strangewarp | FUCK CRICKETS | 20:40 |
| kanzure | relocated his ass to the other apartment complex | 20:40 |
| strangewarp | Have you ever seen a two-foot-long nematomorph burst out of a cricket that you smashed indoors, tie itself into a knot, and try to wiggle away? | 20:40 |
| strangewarp | fuck that | 20:40 |
| strangewarp | fuck that forever | 20:40 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nematomorpha | 20:41 |
| kanzure | well this sounds cool. | 20:42 |
| virnovus | heh | 20:43 |
| kanzure | "In Spinochordodes tellinii, which has orthopterans as its vector, the infection acts on the insect's brain and causes it to seek water and drown itself, thus returning the nematomorph to water.[6] They are also remarkably able to survive the predation of their host, being able to wriggle out of the predator that has eaten the host." | 20:43 |
| strangewarp | yes exactly. fuck nematomorphs they are horrible | 20:44 |
| kanzure | up to six feet long? | 20:44 |
| strangewarp | yes | 20:44 |
| kanzure | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76BnVsaLiR0 | 20:47 |
| kanzure | neat.. mimic proteins | 20:47 |
| kanzure | nature looks like it is having problems | 20:48 |
| kanzure | http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v440/n7085/suppinfo/440756a.html | 20:48 |
| strangewarp | no!! why are they fascinating | 20:49 |
| strangewarp | stop that | 20:49 |
| kanzure | #replaceStylesheet ("${common}/style/layout.css" "${common}/style/layout_article_related.css") #set($tmp = $cssStylesheets.remove("${common}/style/layout_wide_banner.css")) #set($tmp = $cssStylesheets.add("${directoryCSS}/article_related.css")) #cparse("${common}/includes/global.style.fhtml") | 20:49 |
| kanzure | http://www.nature.com/common/style/article_related.css | 20:49 |
| kanzure | hrm. | 20:50 |
| kanzure | i'm not really sure what they are using to generate their pages | 20:50 |
| kanzure | "#replaceStylesheet" doesn't look familiar to me | 20:51 |
| kanzure | delinquentme: how goes it? | 20:51 |
| strangewarp | They're using IRC, obviously | 20:51 |
| delinquentme | awsomlah | 20:52 |
| delinquentme | fucking stellar | 20:53 |
| delinquentme | i gotta relocate in aminute | 20:53 |
| delinquentme | haaa | 20:54 |
| delinquentme | http://www.annualreviews.org/action/showCitFormats?doi=10.1146/annurev-matsci-062910-100359&doi=10.1146/annurev-matsci-062910-095803&doi=10.1146/annurev-matsci-062910-095806&doi=10.1146/annurev-matsci-062910-100351&doi=10.1146/annurev-matsci-062910-100429&doi=10.1146/annurev-matsci-062910-100431&doi=10.1146/annurev-matsci-062910-100425&doi=10.1146/annurev-matsci-062910-100448&doi=10.1146/annurev-matsci-062910-100341&doi | 20:54 |
| delinquentme | =10.1146/annurev-matsci-062910-100344&doi=10.1146/annurev-matsci-062910-100434&doi=10.1146/annurev-matsci-062910-100437&doi=10.1146/annurev-matsci-062910-095759&doi=10.1146/annurev-matsci-062910-100347&doi=10.1146/annurev-matsci-062910-100442&doi=10.1146/annurev-matsci-062910-100445&doi=10.1146/annurev-matsci-062910-100453& | 20:54 |
| delinquentme | just built that | 20:54 |
| delinquentme | OK | 20:54 |
| delinquentme | relocate | 20:54 |
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| strangewarp | Urgh | 21:00 |
| strangewarp | Whyyy am I a district delegate... | 21:01 |
| virnovus | district delegate? | 21:01 |
| strangewarp | I'm just going to show up in a T-shirt, pretend to be 18 and stupid, and try to do as little as possible | 21:01 |
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| strangewarp | Sorry, county delegate. Democratic party local primaries. Bluh | 21:01 |
| virnovus | oh | 21:02 |
| joshcryer | Sweet, free trip to NC. | 21:02 |
| ybit | kanzure: did you ever renew openmanufacturing.org, there's some guy, david winslow, contacting me about it | 21:02 |
| virnovus | do your part for democracy! | 21:02 |
| ybit | he googled around and found the post mentioning i didn't know what to do with it | 21:03 |
| virnovus | oh, does anyone remember those two indians i mentioned earlier? | 21:03 |
| virnovus | they came over, looking for weed | 21:04 |
| ybit | he has been working on free dnc software | 21:04 |
| virnovus | my brother had some, so i said, ok, they can smoke some | 21:04 |
| jrayhawk | Domain Name:OPENMANUFACTURING.ORG | 21:04 |
| jrayhawk | Expiration Date:14-Jan-2013 00:41:34 UTC | 21:04 |
| virnovus | but it was really weak | 21:04 |
| jrayhawk | Registrant Name:Jeff Moe | 21:04 |
| virnovus | and i didn't want them to smoke it all so i spiked it with jwh-018 | 21:05 |
| virnovus | so they were too messed up to drive home so they crashed on the couch | 21:05 |
| strangewarp | Mmm... that's a good idea | 21:06 |
| strangewarp | Sleep hard like I'm messed up on something :P | 21:07 |
| kanzure | ybit: no i didn't do anything with it | 21:07 |
| kanzure | ybit: no i didn't renew | 21:07 |
| ybit | got it | 21:07 |
| ybit | so it belongs to jeff moe | 21:08 |
| ybit | from aleph objects inc. | 21:08 |
| kanzure | jeff comes in here from time to time | 21:08 |
| jrayhawk | 'jebba' | 21:08 |
| kanzure | ah yes | 21:08 |
| virnovus | the girl used to be cute, but now she kind of smells like old baloney | 21:09 |
| virnovus | not sure why | 21:09 |
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| delinquentme | ZOMG | 21:10 |
| delinquentme | LUV | 21:10 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: i can't help but notice | 21:10 |
| kanzure | that in my pokemon crystal rom | 21:10 |
| kanzure | TOP 00000 0 | 21:10 |
| kanzure | GET HTTP/1.0 | 21:10 |
| kanzure | User-Agent: CGB- | 21:10 |
| kanzure | i am very confused. | 21:11 |
| jrayhawk | whaaaa | 21:11 |
| kanzure | near 0x112100 | 21:11 |
| kanzure | md5 9f2922b235a5eeb78d65594e82ef5dde | 21:11 |
| jrayhawk | Is the pokemon sharing crap done over HTTP? | 21:11 |
| kanzure | trading? no | 21:12 |
| kanzure | it's some custom byte protocol | 21:12 |
| delinquentme | wait | 21:13 |
| delinquentme | what are you guys doing w pokemon? | 21:13 |
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| joshcryer | I've been confused by the last, I guess, few hundred lines of chat, to be honest. | 21:15 |
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| kanzure | delinquentme: i am writing source code to pokemon red.. it compiles bak into a working ROM | 21:15 |
| kanzure | crystal is next on my list and for some reason it has HTTP support | 21:16 |
| delinquentme | WHUT. | 21:16 |
| delinquentme | REALLLY | 21:16 |
| delinquentme | thats nuts | 21:16 |
| delinquentme | how? its made for gameboy?? | 21:16 |
| kanzure | i don't know yet | 21:16 |
| klafka | lol | 21:18 |
| joshcryer | Still confused. | 21:19 |
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| kanzure | joshcryer: ? | 21:26 |
| sylph_mako | hey joshcryer where can I get more soundhelix configurations. | 21:28 |
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| joshcryer | sylph_mako, hey sorry I was wrong, I had queued up the mp3s from their site and thought it was generating the music! | 21:29 |
| sylph_mako | Hm. | 21:29 |
| joshcryer | sylph_mako, apparently there's no way to make it randomly generate random pieces completely, you have to tell it do it with the xml files. :/ | 21:30 |
| sylph_mako | That's a bit odd, you'd think you could tell it to mix parts of those xml files. | 21:30 |
| joshcryer | Yeah | 21:30 |
| joshcryer | But maybe that's where the trick is, maybe your editing the files is what's creating the melody. | 21:31 |
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| joshcryer | I'll try making a minimialist xml file, since many of the options are in fact optional. | 21:34 |
| delinquentme | http://tenderlovemaking.com/2006/08/08/more-ruby-mechanize-dev/ | 21:37 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, | 21:37 |
| delinquentme | it looks like you can select em like that | 21:37 |
| kanzure | "if i don't sit like this, my reasoning skills will drop by 40%" ha i missed this the first time | 21:38 |
| kanzure | *shrug* i don't think that's important | 21:39 |
| kanzure | agent.click or radiobutton.clicked=true.. either way | 21:39 |
| joshcryer | sylph_mako, looks like the arrangementEngine is key. And a lot of these options are not in fact optional. :/ | 21:47 |
| sylph_mako | that sounds kinda monolithic :( | 21:55 |
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| joshcryer | sylph_mako, imo, the problem is visualizing the arrangement, you kind of need this but it should be randomizable, but some pieces would start off fast, end slow, etc. | 22:19 |
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| kanzure | "I had a short internship with P&G Chemicals in the 12th grade. I thought it was “cool” until I saw that the engineer I was talking to was running a reaction to make bubbles for soap. I would like the whole world to know this: Bubbles do not do anything to clean. They’re there to just make people who have no idea about the chemicals in their products think the soap works." | 23:03 |
| kanzure | so: without bubbles, people think their soap is broken? | 23:04 |
| klafka | hahahaha | 23:09 |
| klafka | yes | 23:09 |
| klafka | don't yo know that | 23:09 |
| kanzure | "i'm sorry but your product does not produce enough bubbles" | 23:10 |
| kanzure | insufficient bubble level | 23:11 |
| JayDugger | Bubbles:soap::tail fins:cars. | 23:11 |
| sylph_mako | I wonder what the world would be like if products were designed to appeal to the people who know how they work. | 23:12 |
| kanzure | people buy cars without tail fins all the time | 23:12 |
| JayDugger | I also buy soap that doesn't foam. | 23:12 |
| JayDugger | My analogy still holds. | 23:12 |
| JayDugger | Perhaps bubbles will go out of fashion too. | 23:13 |
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| kanzure | google alerts emailed me an ok retrosynthesis document: | 23:15 |
| kanzure | http://www.scribd.com/doc/86253883/Lecture-1-Retro-Synthesis | 23:15 |
| JayDugger | Do y'all find Scribd a useful source of attention-worthy material? | 23:21 |
| JayDugger | (Y'all serves as English's second person plural pronoun. Get over it.) | 23:22 |
| kanzure | no, scribd is pretty awful | 23:23 |
| kanzure | i would rank it somewhere between "experts sex change" and "expertsexchange" | 23:23 |
| JayDugger | Thanks. | 23:24 |
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| katsmeow-afk | doctor(s) and nurses(s) once told me the purpose of bubbles in Betadine was to physically lift more crud off whatever they were scrubbing, so more could be scrubbed off, and more easily rinsed off,, and no they would not use it without bubbles | 23:31 |
| katsmeow-afk | that was 40+ years ago, i have not decided if i believe them or not yet | 23:32 |
| kanzure | aren't you like, 17? | 23:32 |
| JayDugger | Would you like to hear about a real-esatate investment opportunity? | 23:32 |
| katsmeow-afk | Jay, nope, just got screwed in one , thanks | 23:32 |
| katsmeow-afk | kansure, i am not 17 | 23:33 |
| JayDugger | You sure? I wouldn't offer it to just anyone. ;) | 23:33 |
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| Mariu | see you guys | 23:33 |
| katsmeow-afk | i'll get back to you on that | 23:33 |
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| kanzure | "Hey guys - if you want to vote for me and my fellow rationalists Michael, Kevin, and Louie in the Humanity+ board elections next week, you can join here:" | 23:39 |
| kanzure | "We plan to do more awesomeness like the Extreme Futurist Fest" | 23:39 |
| kanzure | oh god. | 23:39 |
| kanzure | how terrible. | 23:39 |
| kanzure | who was it in here who went to that? someone was complaining about it | 23:39 |
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| joshcryer | Was there food? | 23:41 |
| JayDugger | Yes: irradiated wheatgrass juice fortified with GMO microalgae. | 23:45 |
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