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| n_bentha | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17762033 | 01:07 |
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| Mokbortolan_ | http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3943711 | 01:40 |
| Mokbortolan_ | Emergency room use of hypnosis | 01:40 |
| Mokbortolan_ | hmm... nevermind... http://www.amenclinics.net/ | 01:44 |
| Utopiah | AFAIK in France it is not that uncommon, never experienced it personnaly but heard some talks about it from "renown" professors & M.D. (not Mulder ;) | 01:55 |
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| nmz787 | the man who quit money is cool, but i guess i won't know how he's actually being a part of some society unless i read the book... i mean, if people didn't give him their trash food, which they are basically losing money over, would he still be surviving? | 01:57 |
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| Utopiah | (dedicated association in France http://www.hypnose-medicale.com ) | 02:05 |
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| nmz787 | the joke: http://xkcd.com/323/ | 03:08 |
| nmz787 | the research: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1053810012000037 | 03:08 |
| Utopiah | http://litd.psch.uic.edu/personal/jwiley/drunk.pdf | 03:10 |
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| nmz787 | anyone awake, is there a way to background/screen a unix process that i'm already running | 03:21 |
| nmz787 | i.e. so it keeps running | 03:21 |
| Utopiah | http://www.unix.com/man-page/OpenSolaris/1/disown/ http://caca.zoy.org/wiki/neercs | 03:23 |
| nmz787 | i'm actually in ubuntu not unix, using bash | 03:24 |
| nmz787 | looks like it works there too, i think | 03:25 |
| nmz787 | Utopiah: have you used neercs? | 03:26 |
| Utopiah | nop | 03:26 |
| nmz787 | hmm | 03:27 |
| nmz787 | what can i test this with, so i don't screw my process that I need to not screw up | 03:28 |
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| nmz787 | couldn't get disown to work with nano.... process died, prob ssh failed or something... restarted it in screen | 04:12 |
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| Utopiah | current The Economist cover on 3D printing | 05:16 |
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| delinquentme | kanzure, you up yet? | 06:33 |
| delinquentme | So niche markets obv a huge thing ... which isnt a problem as the LH002 isn't necessarily a niche machine | 06:33 |
| delinquentme | but when it comes to picking out corp partners ... | 06:34 |
| delinquentme | you want someone whos specializes in the direction you're looking to grow | 06:34 |
| delinquentme | IDK what direction that is | 06:34 |
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| kanzure | nmz787: yes, you can use "screen" itself | 06:57 |
| kanzure | "this declaration from ALLEA (ALL European Academies: The European Federation of National Academies of Sciences and Humanities) on Open Science for the 21st century, it is very positive and worth a quick read (it's only 3 pages" | 07:05 |
| kanzure | http://cordis.europa.eu/fp7/ict/e-infrastructure/docs/allea-declaration-1.pdf | 07:05 |
| kanzure | "The Academies commit themselves to debate and promote practical applications of open science principles within their national arenas of activity, and to jointly advocate their adoption also in the international domain." | 07:05 |
| kanzure | "The European Commission proposes that under “Horizon 2020”, the successor to FP7, all research results are to be made available and accessible for everyone." | 07:05 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, | 07:07 |
| delinquentme | how pick niche market | 07:07 |
| kanzure | go find them and see which one you like more | 07:07 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, the codes that gets sent to whatever controller for a reprap are simply " G91 G28 X0 Y0 " etc over and over ja? | 07:28 |
| JayDugger | Good morning, everyone, | 07:31 |
| delinquentme | howdeh! | 07:31 |
| kanzure | i don't know if reprap has a gcode parser or not | 07:40 |
| delinquentme | yeah I think this grbl thing is what I want | 07:43 |
| delinquentme | wah wah we wah | 07:43 |
| delinquentme | i need to get infront of some machines | 07:44 |
| delinquentme | it supports arcs | 07:45 |
| delinquentme | makes for fast mechs | 07:45 |
| delinquentme | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbkA3P4hrqc | 07:49 |
| delinquentme | awesome 8 bit | 07:49 |
| delinquentme | http://grooveshark.com/#!/search/song?q=wizwars >_< | 07:51 |
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| delinquentme | ^^^^ | 07:56 |
| delinquentme | HOWDEH | 07:56 |
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| delinquentme | call w gilson in 30 kanzure | 08:02 |
| delinquentme | >_< you wanna give me a peptalk? | 08:02 |
| ParahSailin | tell him gibson assembly is overrated | 08:03 |
| delinquentme | gibson assembly? | 08:04 |
| delinquentme | thats something related to DNA no? | 08:04 |
| kanzure | who is gilson? | 08:07 |
| delinquentme | " What got you interested in this job ?" >> Money. | 08:09 |
| delinquentme | ( job application ) should I rub them off a little " Money. Fame. Fortune. Fast Cars and Good Food " | 08:09 |
| delinquentme | i think i will lolol | 08:09 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, gilson is https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CEwQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gilson.com%2F&ei=-XuRT7mxEqiu6AHX2omABA&usg=AFQjCNGqivRudBWdd6GXxxowRonJa8GZQQ | 08:09 |
| delinquentme | ehhh | 08:09 |
| delinquentme | www.gilson.com | 08:09 |
| kanzure | what are you talking with them about? | 08:10 |
| delinquentme | sponsorship | 08:11 |
| kanzure | ok. what's your pitch? | 08:11 |
| delinquentme | I'm going to go in conversationally and then basically mini pitch him on the benefits of open source | 08:12 |
| delinquentme | and end up with the fact that I can prototype this for 15g | 08:12 |
| delinquentme | PROTOTYPE | 08:12 |
| delinquentme | gonna ask him about supplying OEM parts | 08:12 |
| kanzure | don't mention open source yet | 08:12 |
| kanzure | you are not tactful enough to win someone over with "open source" | 08:12 |
| delinquentme | basically I make the platform they provide the heavy complex parts | 08:13 |
| kanzure | i wonder if there's a photocurable biopolymer | 08:13 |
| kanzure | http://amt.tuwien.ac.at/projekte/3d_structuring_of_biophotopolymers/ | 08:14 |
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| ParahSailin | well put the photoacid in with anything and it can be photopatternable | 08:20 |
| kanzure | text mining manifesto http://researchremix.wordpress.com/2012/04/19/do-we-need-manifesto/ | 08:23 |
| kanzure | http://researchremix.wordpress.com/2012/04/17/elsevier-agrees/ | 08:23 |
| kanzure | that was via Heather Piwowar <hpiwowar@gmail.com> | 08:26 |
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| kanzure | http://diydrones.com/profiles/blogs/open-source-hardware-foundation-launched-gets-darpa-backing | 08:39 |
| kanzure | "Last week, DARPA announced that the recommended simulation environment for its Robotics Challenge for Disaster Environments would be Gazebo, from the the Open Source Robotics Foundation" | 08:39 |
| JayDugger | http://gazebosim.org/ | 08:40 |
| delinquentme | cool just finished up | 08:44 |
| kanzure | delinquentme: what's the story? | 08:47 |
| delinquentme | UL was mentioned | 08:48 |
| delinquentme | they want street cred type shit | 08:49 |
| delinquentme | also i gotta do more of these sales calls | 08:50 |
| delinquentme | gotta get good at it | 08:50 |
| kanzure | "street cred type shit" ? | 08:54 |
| kanzure | did you mention open source? and what was the response | 08:55 |
| delinquentme | positively | 08:55 |
| delinquentme | he said thats what he was most interested in | 08:55 |
| delinquentme | obv id be making a platform which could allow more of their OEM parts to be sold | 08:56 |
| delinquentme | THAT is the approach I'd love to have | 08:56 |
| delinquentme | " for a price I can design in specific machining to allow your pumps to be used in the design " | 08:56 |
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| delinquentme | why does pumping need to happen @ 4350 PSI? | 08:57 |
| delinquentme | super high viscosity liquids? | 08:57 |
| delinquentme | i should also say " Id love for you guys to order a prototype " | 08:58 |
| ParahSailin | microfluidics? | 09:02 |
| ParahSailin | because those tiny channels are high resistivity | 09:02 |
| ParahSailin | reynolds number and stuff | 09:02 |
| kanzure | ParahSailin: i think he was talking to him about a liquid handling robot | 09:02 |
| ParahSailin | ah | 09:02 |
| diginet | are we talking about drug dealing or biology because i honestly can't tell anymore\ | 09:03 |
| diginet | "street cred type shit" | 09:03 |
| diginet | what is thi- I don't even. . . | 09:04 |
| delinquentme | lol | 09:05 |
| delinquentme | also | 09:05 |
| delinquentme | i need to fuxing fix my website | 09:06 |
| delinquentme | diginet, basically how does one tell whether we're serious or just kids playing w ideas | 09:06 |
| delinquentme | prototypes , UL certs | 09:07 |
| diginet | doesn't "credentials" qualify work just as well? | 09:07 |
| diginet | qualify/work | 09:07 |
| delinquentme | sure | 09:07 |
| ParahSailin | credentials is a lame concept | 09:10 |
| delinquentme | eh | 09:10 |
| delinquentme | its a portfolio | 09:10 |
| delinquentme | interchangeable w degrees etc | 09:11 |
| diginet | to a point, but one needs to have a way to prove he or she is not an idiot | 09:11 |
| kanzure | portfolios are pretty easy to make | 09:12 |
| kanzure | after a year or two of any work experience whatsoever, nobody cares about college | 09:12 |
| delinquentme | cool got the follow up sent | 09:20 |
| delinquentme | annnnddd now I need to build a $8 dollar arduino | 09:21 |
| delinquentme | but kanzure I follow you in the open source worry | 09:21 |
| delinquentme | like its a HUGE thing .. and trying to break down the nuances of why this is disruptive is a huge thing onto itself | 09:21 |
| delinquentme | so its a question of " Why would this individual give a shit about this " | 09:22 |
| kanzure | it has nothing to do about disruption, | 09:23 |
| kanzure | it's like trying to talk to someone in mandarin when they speak english | 09:23 |
| kanzure | brownies: thoughts? | 09:23 |
| delinquentme | haha | 09:23 |
| delinquentme | its a subject onto itself | 09:23 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, | 09:27 |
| delinquentme | ehh nm | 09:27 |
| delinquentme | I think you and brownies are looking for a more conversational approach | 09:28 |
| delinquentme | I want something more like | 09:28 |
| kanzure | conversational? nope | 09:28 |
| delinquentme | " I'd like to have this built yesterday" | 09:28 |
| delinquentme | " Do you want to fund it " | 09:28 |
| kanzure | but you don't know anyone who will fund it | 09:28 |
| kanzure | or anyone who would buy one | 09:29 |
| delinquentme | im kind of lost kanz | 09:29 |
| delinquentme | so. | 09:29 |
| delinquentme | people make liquid handlers | 09:29 |
| delinquentme | I make a type of liquid handler | 09:29 |
| delinquentme | but you want proof that someone will buy it | 09:30 |
| kanzure | actually, no, you made one prototype but you won't let anyone test it out (?) | 09:30 |
| kanzure | i don't want proof.. *you* want proof if you wanna sell it or get VC involved | 09:30 |
| delinquentme | ummm | 09:30 |
| delinquentme | lol | 09:31 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, i just dont know what to say | 09:31 |
| delinquentme | you sound pissy for no reason? | 09:31 |
| kanzure | you're mis-reading me if you think i sound pissy | 09:31 |
| delinquentme | I think theres plenty of things to be worked out | 09:31 |
| delinquentme | and its just making progress on all of them | 09:32 |
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| kanzure | bleh you're not suppoed to leave in a middle of a conversation | 09:33 |
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| JayDugger | Hmm? isn't that the very greatest advantage of IRC? | 10:32 |
| diginet | the greatest advantage of IRC is its not being XMPP | 10:33 |
| JayDugger | Heh. | 10:33 |
| diginet | like seriously, how bloody hard is it to send text over a network, and yet XMPP managed to screw up just about the easiest thing there is to do | 10:34 |
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| diginet | so I'm researching the feasibility of a DIY peptide synthesizer | 10:50 |
| kanzure | diginet: http://bioinformatics.org/pogo/ is somewhat related | 10:51 |
| kanzure | that's for dna microarrays and oligo synthesis, not peptide synthesis | 10:51 |
| kanzure | but you'll probably want to do array-basd peptide synthesis, i'm sure.. | 10:51 |
| diginet | kanzure, thanks should be of some help | 10:52 |
| diginet | actually, I think peptide synthesis might be easier than oligonucleotide synthesis | 10:52 |
| kanzure | doubt it | 10:52 |
| diginet | speeding up the reaction is as simple as putting it in a microwave | 10:52 |
| diginet | (literally) | 10:52 |
| diginet | the hard part is getting the chemicals and timing the reactions | 10:53 |
| diginet | but who knows | 10:53 |
| diginet | making short peptides is fairly routine, and there's enough information on how to do it by hand (if need be) the question is how to make it fast enough to make macroscopic quantities | 10:54 |
| kanzure | you ever gonna start publishing your notes?? | 10:56 |
| kanzure | erm.. only meant one question mark | 10:56 |
| kanzure | by publishing i mean uploading | 10:57 |
| diginet | my notes are in a notebook, I don't have a scanner as of right now | 10:57 |
| JayDugger | 1dollarscan, officedrop, etc. scanning services abound, | 10:58 |
| diginet | I know, I don't drive though, which means I have to get my mom to take me to a fedex or something | 10:58 |
| JayDugger | OfficeDrop will mail you a pre-paid envelope. | 10:59 |
| diginet | I don't want to rip the paper out of the notebook though | 10:59 |
| kanzure | why not just use typed notes -_- | 10:59 |
| diginet | because I'm kind of a luddite when it comes to that | 11:00 |
| diginet | I prefer to write | 11:00 |
| JayDugger | Because I had notes that predated my ability to type. | 11:00 |
| JayDugger | Because I had notes from jobs where I couldn't bring a computer into the building, | 11:00 |
| kanzure | $1 per 100 pages? | 11:00 |
| diginet | I'm weird, I'm both a technophile and a technophobe | 11:01 |
| JayDugger | Something like that...I had to cut expenses a lot after I wrecked my car last year. Scanning services went on hold. | 11:01 |
| diginet | like, I love computers, electronics, etc, but I don't have a cell phone, don't have a tablet, don't read ebooks, handwrite things | 11:01 |
| JayDugger | If that's 1dollarscan, they do pretty good work if you don't need it in a hurry. | 11:01 |
| kanzure | JayDugger: thanks | 11:02 |
| kanzure | haha what? "The basic plan PDF will not include the title in the file name. If you want a title such as "THE TALE OF PETER RABBIT.pdf”, add this option." | 11:02 |
| diginet | actually, the thing that bothers me about cell phones is that expectation they give people that one is required to *always* be available | 11:02 |
| diginet | *the | 11:03 |
| kanzure | oh neat, they accept direct shipments from amazon | 11:03 |
| kanzure | diginet: uh? just turn it off or disable the phone feature | 11:03 |
| diginet | oh, I also use film cameras | 11:03 |
| diginet | no, I mean the sociological expectation I mean | 11:03 |
| kanzure | this conversation is boring | 11:04 |
| diginet | most people (in the West anyway) have cell phones | 11:04 |
| diginet | sorry | 11:04 |
| diginet | woops, two "I means" | 11:04 |
| diginet | I dunno, I'm rather suspicious of many of the benefits of technology, in the consumer sector | 11:06 |
| diginet | obviously computers have huge benefits in science, industry, etc | 11:06 |
| diginet | but most people use them to generate worthless information | 11:06 |
| _F7_ | You aren't most people | 11:07 |
| diginet | sure, I'm just saying the internet has bred a generation of socially imcompotent morons | 11:07 |
| JayDugger | That's pretty vague. | 11:07 |
| JayDugger | The same could be said of television. | 11:07 |
| kanzure | yawn | 11:08 |
| diginet | it's more a question of magnitude | 11:08 |
| kanzure | please leave your elitist bullshit outside | 11:08 |
| diginet | elitist? | 11:08 |
| JayDugger | Point taken. | 11:08 |
| kanzure | "socially incompetent morons" | 11:08 |
| _F7_ | Neo-luddite stuff | 11:08 |
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| JayDugger | I'll return to my television-hate another time. | 11:08 |
| kanzure | JayDugger: hating ain't that good for you :/ | 11:09 |
| diginet | JayDugger, I completely agree that television is in no way a force for good | 11:09 |
| diginet | anyhow, changing subjects, kanzure how does dna microarray oligonucleotide synthesis work, briefly? | 11:09 |
| kanzure | we should setup 1dollarbrainscan.com | 11:09 |
| _F7_ | Ship your brain off in a prepaid envelope | 11:09 |
| kanzure | for destructive scanning of samples. | 11:09 |
| kanzure | _F7_: yep | 11:10 |
| _F7_ | two week turnaround | 11:10 |
| _F7_ | It'd sell like hotcakes in phoenix | 11:10 |
| _F7_ | just get the worlds largest refrigerated microtome scanning rig | 11:10 |
| _F7_ | and start deli-slicing people for life insurance money | 11:11 |
| kanzure | diginet: it works like regular oligonucleotide synthesis except you have an arrayer that repeats the reaction steps in each well | 11:11 |
| kanzure | and/or you use a DMD array and do the array on a small scale (microarray) | 11:11 |
| kanzure | _F7_: another way to do it might be just general 3d scanning of things | 11:11 |
| kanzure | but that's probably more costly to ship | 11:11 |
| kanzure | you could have people come by with cell phones and do stereo scanning of 3d objects | 11:12 |
| kanzure | hah | 11:12 |
| diginet | oh okay, I had some vision of each well containing one BP and the DMD catalysing the reaction by shining light on th ein betweens (sort of like connecting dots in a grid to form a chain) | 11:12 |
| _F7_ | There's that half-bakery of the EVO phone with the Dual HD cameras | 11:12 |
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| kanzure | diginet: you catalyze one addition at a time, then wash, replace the chemicals, ... | 11:13 |
| diginet | ah okay, I see | 11:13 |
| diginet | you know what I was thinking, sort of on this very subject: have you guys ever gotten frustrated with politics, when people refuse to automate things because it will make people "lose their jobs" | 11:14 |
| kanzure | frustration doesn't build robots | 11:14 |
| kanzure | people build robots | 11:14 |
| diginet | i.e. we can't cut out unnecessary middlemen, deadweight, and cruft, that's just, well, Un-American! | 11:14 |
| kanzure | you really need to stop your political ranting, it doesn't make you any more effective at building things | 11:14 |
| _F7_ | That's what the definition of a luddite is | 11:15 |
| kanzure | also, my favorite counter argument to you is that people can decide to hire more labor and extract more value, or reduce their workforce, it's up to them | 11:15 |
| diginet | no, I'm saying that's a BAD thing | 11:15 |
| kanzure | you think luddites are inherently bad? | 11:15 |
| diginet | like, automation is GOOD | 11:15 |
| diginet | no | 11:15 |
| kanzure | ok. then leave them alone, and go build your automation. | 11:16 |
| kanzure | they won't understand your planetary gears anyway :) | 11:16 |
| kanzure | *wouldn't | 11:16 |
| _F7_ | you are saying that you are an anti-luddite person that likes technological development but you have angst because it's not all utilized toward a laudable goal | 11:16 |
| _F7_ | so for some reason you perfer not to utilize it yourself | 11:17 |
| _F7_ | You're like an amish guy doing NMOS work for intel | 11:17 |
| diginet | not quite | 11:17 |
| kanzure | _F7_: they exist (i think) | 11:17 |
| kanzure | also, the amish are surprisingly technological | 11:18 |
| kanzure | http://www.kk.org/thetechnium/archives/2009/02/amish_hackers_a.php | 11:18 |
| kanzure | "The Amish have the undeserved reputation of being luddites, of people who refuse to employ new technology. Yet Amish lives are anything but anti-technological. In fact on my several visits with them, I have found them to be ingenious hackers and tinkers, the ultimate makers and do-it-yourselfers and surprisingly pro technology." | 11:18 |
| diginet | I think that a lot of so-called technological advances do not really offer any benefits over tried and true methods, for example I find writing to be more effective than typing because I remember what I write better. I am frustrated in turn with those who purposely promote inefficiency to do nothing more than allow goods to change hands | 11:19 |
| diginet | and thus get an unwarranted share | 11:20 |
| JayDugger | Alright, I'll play. | 11:20 |
| JayDugger | "for example I find writing to be more effective than typing because I remember what I write better." | 11:20 |
| JayDugger | That seems pretty selfish. Typing benefits more people than handwriting. | 11:20 |
| diginet | that was just an example, I'm not saying that's universally true for all situations or people | 11:21 |
| JayDugger | Okay. | 11:21 |
| kanzure | diginet: maybe you should experiment with typing as slowly as you write, and then seeing if you remember it better | 11:21 |
| kanzure | also, print it uot and store it like you would your hand-written notes | 11:21 |
| kanzure | so that you don't get any weird effects due to "it being stored somewhere on the hard drive" | 11:21 |
| diginet | I also find the proces sof writing to be less fatiguing than typing, but again, that's just a personal thing | 11:22 |
| diginet | that wasn't the best example, I'm just saying there are things that are lauded as great innovations which don't really offer much besides flashiness or trendiness | 11:22 |
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| diginet | a good example of ludditism would be the GMO fear mongers, that's just anti-science, GMOs offer a demonstrative, manifold benefit over non-modified plants. Whereas, an example of technoskepticism (that is, informed questioning of claimed benefits of technology, but nnot intrinsically anti-tech) might be asking whether greater connectedness with various assortments of gadgets has benefited modern society or not, for hte av | 11:28 |
| diginet | erage person | 11:28 |
| kanzure | i think it's perfectly legit to ask for gmo food labeling | 11:28 |
| diginet | I'm not saying it HASN'T, but, people assume it has without inquiring in a rigorous manner | 11:28 |
| kanzure | why are you listening to those people ? | 11:29 |
| diginet | kanzure, sure, but GMOs are not intrinsically dangerous as some people would let you believe | 11:29 |
| kanzure | i'm finding this really absurd and distracting in this channel | 11:29 |
| _F7_ | I'm trying to remember who it was that told me about 'DNA free' food being sold in the UK | 11:29 |
| kanzure | is there some value that you extract by parroting their arguments? | 11:29 |
| JayDugger | Good night, everyone. | 11:29 |
| diginet | whose arguments? | 11:29 |
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| kanzure | diginet: please just stop talking about your "GMO luddites".. who cars | 11:29 |
| kanzure | *cares | 11:29 |
| kanzure | you are perfectly able to eat GMO food, and if you want to you should go right ahead | 11:29 |
| diginet | but the opinions of others affects how we as a society progress | 11:30 |
| kanzure | eh? not really | 11:30 |
| diginet | voting? | 11:30 |
| diginet | look at how GMOs were banned in Europe | 11:30 |
| kanzure | "banned" | 11:30 |
| kanzure | who cares? you can still make your own GMO food | 11:30 |
| diginet | if most people are led to believe they are dangerous, then what are the effects of that? | 11:30 |
| diginet | but I care about the positive betterment of humanity | 11:31 |
| kanzure | yes there are consequences to lying to people, so you shouldn't promote their arguments man | 11:31 |
| diginet | I'M NOT | 11:31 |
| kanzure | you keep bringing them up | 11:31 |
| kanzure | haha | 11:31 |
| diginet | I'm saying the anti-GMO people are practicing a harmful form of pseudo-skepticism | 11:31 |
| kanzure | and...? | 11:31 |
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| kanzure | nobody in here takes them seriously | 11:31 |
| diginet | I know, I was juxtaposing htem to my own views | 11:32 |
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| Mokbortolan_ | neat | 11:47 |
| Mokbortolan_ | has there been any significant criticism of the animal studies done on GMO corn consumption? | 11:48 |
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| kanzure | skorket: hi | 11:51 |
| skorket | hey kanzure | 11:52 |
| skorket | what's new? | 11:52 |
| kanzure | i'm blanking. all sorts of things, i don't know. what category? | 11:53 |
| skorket | biology, electronics... | 11:54 |
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| * Mokbortolan_ dreams of metamaterial neutron reflectors. | 12:06 | |
| * diginet dreams of compact neutrino detectors | 12:10 | |
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| ParahSailin | this amish article is interesting | 12:14 |
| ParahSailin | i see they use pneumatic stuff-- what are the pros and cons of pneumatic vs hydraulic | 12:15 |
| ParahSailin | as the OSE guys use hydraulic power | 12:15 |
| ParahSailin | is hydraulic stuff just higher power? | 12:15 |
| kanzure | the amish are famous for "everything's pneumatics!" | 12:15 |
| Mokbortolan_ | I liked the pneumatic blender I saw on a documentary | 12:18 |
| kanzure | "Rather than employ the precautionary principle, which says, unless you can prove there is no harm, don't use new technology, the Amish rely on the enthusiasm of Amish early adopters to try stuff out until they prove harm." | 12:20 |
| ParahSailin | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumpstart_Our_Business_Startups_Act | 12:23 |
| ParahSailin | its now legal for a kickstarter-like site to deal in equity | 12:23 |
| ParahSailin | so instead of chump charities you could make a site where you solicit capital from little guys | 12:24 |
| kanzure | there are tons of these sites popping up | 12:26 |
| ParahSailin | there are? | 12:26 |
| kanzure | oh man, tons | 12:26 |
| kanzure | they all gambled on JOBS going through | 12:26 |
| ParahSailin | what's one | 12:27 |
| kanzure | let me find the links | 12:27 |
| kanzure | ParahSailin: non-startup related include indiegogo, kickstarter, peerbackers, rockethub, chipin, microryza | 12:28 |
| ParahSailin | ah so kickstarer will now allow equity as one of the rewards? | 12:29 |
| kanzure | nope i said non-startup-related | 12:29 |
| kanzure | kickstarter has explicitly said no, too | 12:29 |
| kanzure | still trying to find my old linkdump for you | 12:30 |
| ParahSailin | so kickstarter is ignoring JOBS? | 12:30 |
| kanzure | they specifically don't want to be involved in equity transactions, yes | 12:30 |
| kanzure | crowdtilt; i don't think they are aiming for JOBS-relatd things however | 12:31 |
| kanzure | petridish; but this is just science-only too | 12:31 |
| kanzure | ParahSailin: this used to be one iirc http://profounder.com/ | 12:32 |
| ParahSailin | so no active equity crowdfunding sites | 12:33 |
| kanzure | noo there is, i'm just really sucking at remembering the names | 12:33 |
| kanzure | ParahSailin: http://www.crowdcube.com/ there you go | 12:34 |
| kanzure | and this http://www.capangel.com/ | 12:34 |
| kanzure | http://startersfund.com/ | 12:37 |
| ParahSailin | doesnt look like they are registered with sec yet, which is one of the requirements | 12:37 |
| kanzure | http://gambitious.com/ (for games-only) | 12:37 |
| kanzure | http://www.assob.com.au/ | 12:37 |
| kanzure | http://www.anaxago.com/ | 12:38 |
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| kanzure | i still can't find the one site in particular that i was thinking of.. people knew this would happen and have been scrambling to deploy their sites | 12:38 |
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| ParahSailin | im getting a job offer at a bioinformatics place, genome sequencing and assembly service | 12:59 |
| kanzure | do they look like they will survive the storm if whole genome sequencing drops to $1/genome? | 13:01 |
| ParahSailin | no | 13:02 |
| kanzure | heh | 13:02 |
| ParahSailin | http://www.eurekagenomics.com/ws/home.html | 13:02 |
| kanzure | well, at least they do some assembly | 13:03 |
| ParahSailin | their houston office is all assembly | 13:03 |
| _F7_ | bluh, it's not even gale force winds and my car got a pool umbrella blown into it | 13:19 |
| _F7_ | another dent for the dentmobile | 13:20 |
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| Cat4D | For the scientifically inclined, the US military and DHS attacks the Kilauea volcano to regulate its activity when there is ANY "national special security event" in Hawaii region, for this, the Dali-Lama's speech at HNL. http://hvo.wr.usgs.gov/kilauea/update/deformation.php | 13:44 |
| kanzure | neat the fbi is being generous with everyone's budgets | 13:45 |
| Mokbortolan_1 | ... attacks it? | 13:48 |
| Mokbortolan_1 | like, with bombs? | 13:48 |
| * katsmeow-afk is trying to find the link tween deformation and disinformation | 13:48 | |
| strangewarp | "attack", when not used literally, is an agitprop word and you should feel bad. | 13:48 |
| Mokbortolan_1 | I can't find any reference to any sort of military attack on a volcano | 13:50 |
| Mokbortolan_1 | doesnt' mean it's not there, I just can't find it... | 13:50 |
| * katsmeow-afk feels appropriately bd | 13:50 | |
| * Mokbortolan_1 attacks a slice of cheesecake. | 13:52 | |
| _F7_ | how does the FBI budget thing work? | 13:55 |
| _F7_ | By 'everyone's budgets' do you mean the SF trip? | 13:55 |
| Cat4D | no, its a field flux pulse, microwave style | 13:58 |
| Cat4D | unfortionately my field-effect sensors that track the energy fields around the tube and active flows also confirm it... more than USN/USAF want | 13:59 |
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| Cat4D | zap the bubbles, control the flow/seismics | 13:59 |
| kanzure | _F7_: yes.. they are paying for travel, hotels, food and taxi | 14:01 |
| delinquentme | http://www.nature.com/news/regenerative-medicine-repairs-mice-from-top-to-toe-1.10472 | 14:01 |
| delinquentme | MOUSES | 14:01 |
| kanzure | you mean mice | 14:01 |
| kanzure | _F7_: you should get an email about it | 14:07 |
| _F7_ | MEESES | 14:07 |
| kanzure | that's the JAX alternate breed | 14:08 |
| _F7_ | The years passed, mankind became stupider at a frightening rate. Some had high hopes the genetic engineering would correct this trend in evolution, but sadly the greatest minds and resources where focused on conquering hair loss and prolonging erections. | 14:09 |
| kanzure | pft eternal erections are easy, it's just not great for the heart | 14:09 |
| _F7_ | it's not good for the tissue | 14:10 |
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| kanzure | also: are you also alarmed that snails are so dumb? | 14:11 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, you know how they say >4 hours call the doctor | 14:11 |
| delinquentme | they "relieve" it | 14:11 |
| delinquentme | large needle | 14:11 |
| _F7_ | ever seen a priapism after about a day? | 14:11 |
| kanzure | lancing, i'm sure.. | 14:11 |
| delinquentme | i think eating right an exercise might be easier | 14:12 |
| kanzure | than lancing? | 14:12 |
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| delinquentme | yeah haha | 14:14 |
| delinquentme | but then im not a porn star making my living off of it | 14:14 |
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| delinquentme | fluidigm has started direct selling in shanghai | 15:32 |
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| delinquentme | anyone have ideas on how to get a non- trojaned windows 7? | 16:26 |
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| nmz787 | man, HPLC is pretty bitchin... got to set that all up today | 16:35 |
| delinquentme | ^^ | 16:39 |
| delinquentme | i've seen one of those machines | 16:39 |
| nmz787 | separated excedrin, generic excedrin, generic tylenol. and diet coke | 16:40 |
| katsmeow-afk | 3 are solid, one is liquid | 16:41 |
| katsmeow-afk | unless, the 3 were dissolved ini the liquid, in which case i admire your tenacity | 16:41 |
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| nmz787 | they were all separate... then we had the aspirin, acetaminophen, and caffeine pure standards in like 4 or 5 diff concentrations | 16:43 |
| nmz787 | pures were separate for retention time identification, and mixed for the concentration curves | 16:44 |
| nmz787 | katsmeow-afk: had to grind the pills to get them in liquid :P | 16:46 |
| delinquentme | making DRUGS | 16:46 |
| nmz787 | no, separating DRUGS | 16:46 |
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| delinquentme | did you do the peanutty goodness? | 16:46 |
| nmz787 | dunno what that means | 16:47 |
| kanzure | he probably means peanut butter | 16:47 |
| delinquentme | wern't you talking about using peanuts on something? | 16:47 |
| delinquentme | i thought it was a HLPC | 16:47 |
| delinquentme | Kim dotcom's trial might not ever happen | 16:47 |
| kanzure | peanut butter isn't a"a HLPC" | 16:47 |
| delinquentme | #lulzProcess | 16:47 |
| kanzure | btw, it's HPLC not HLPC | 16:47 |
| delinquentme | good catch | 16:47 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, where does one get clean versions of windows 7 | 16:48 |
| kanzure | you don't. don't install windows. | 16:48 |
| nmz787 | ahh | 16:49 |
| nmz787 | lol | 16:49 |
| nmz787 | nah, used a C8 (octane) column | 16:49 |
| delinquentme | im not gonna try to run solidworks on a instance | 16:49 |
| kanzure | works for me | 16:49 |
| delinquentme | what the hell is it called .... virtual box | 16:49 |
| nmz787 | delinquentme: clean = buy | 16:50 |
| delinquentme | yeh =/ | 16:50 |
| nmz787 | kanzure prob has a "sticker" on the bottom of his laptop that he isnt' using | 16:50 |
| kanzure | it turns out i have a small windows xp partition | 16:51 |
| kanzure | but i haven't used it since 2008 or something | 16:51 |
| nmz787 | ! !! !!! | 16:51 |
| delinquentme | actually i've got a XP pro legit cd | 16:51 |
| katsmeow-afk | woooooooooo | 16:51 |
| delinquentme | im not sure if it jives with the solidworks i was running | 16:51 |
| nmz787 | you could try microxp | 16:51 |
| nmz787 | or tinyxp | 16:51 |
| nmz787 | .net doesn't work | 16:51 |
| nmz787 | and neither does internet explorer | 16:51 |
| nmz787 | or something like that | 16:52 |
| delinquentme | microxp huh | 16:52 |
| delinquentme | is that a windows official release? | 16:52 |
| * katsmeow-afk wants to undo the restriction on 10 working ports at once, without installing more problems | 16:52 | |
| delinquentme | brb | 16:53 |
| katsmeow-afk | delinquentme, duckduckgo is your friend | 16:53 |
| delinquentme | oh also! | 16:53 |
| delinquentme | dont start new sass / compass projects right now | 16:53 |
| delinquentme | its a mess. | 16:53 |
| kanzure | duckduckgo is nobody's friend. who the hell wants to use bing? | 16:53 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, listen | 16:53 |
| delinquentme | Bono is famous ok | 16:53 |
| delinquentme | thats how you know its a good search engine | 16:54 |
| delinquentme | HE ENDORSES BING | 16:54 |
| kanzure | ? | 16:54 |
| delinquentme | HES GOT IT ON HIS PHONE! | 16:54 |
| katsmeow-afk | sonny bono is dead | 16:54 |
| kanzure | dude why do you always sound brain damaged | 16:54 |
| delinquentme | lol actually my browser defaults to bing .. its | 16:54 |
| delinquentme | miserable | 16:54 |
| delinquentme | lololol | 16:54 |
| ParahSailin_ | whats wrong with duckduckgo? | 16:55 |
| kanzure | it's bing | 16:55 |
| * katsmeow-afk weeps | 16:56 | |
| delinquentme | katsmeow-afk, does you have clean win 7s? | 16:57 |
| ParahSailin_ | really its bing? | 16:57 |
| kanzure | yep.. | 16:57 |
| katsmeow-afk | on a laptop, i think | 16:57 |
| delinquentme | ever send someone an .iso? | 16:57 |
| katsmeow-afk | yeas, some troll asked for a pic of me naked, i sent him win95 iso | 16:58 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: wtf, duckduckgo is bing? | 16:58 |
| delinquentme | lolol | 16:59 |
| delinquentme | not bad :D but I need a win 7 iso :D | 16:59 |
| nmz787 | i think theres a tiny/micro 7 | 17:00 |
| nmz787 | slim | 17:00 |
| nmz787 | all good keywords | 17:00 |
| delinquentme | http://137.190.19.14/ and something called"technet" | 17:01 |
| katsmeow-afk | DuckDuckGo is not Google. Or Bing. Or Yahoo. Or Ask. Or AOL. But that’s a good thing. A fact which 1 million souls agree with. On Feb 13 DuckDuckGo reached a new milestone, racking up 1 million direct searches in a day for the first time in its history. With 1 billion searches daily, that figure | 17:01 |
| katsmeow-afk | tech.blorge.com/Structure:%20/2012/02/16/duckduckgo-hit... More results | 17:01 |
| kanzure | *shrug* it is using bing | 17:02 |
| delinquentme | nmz787, whats the origin of these "micro" versions | 17:02 |
| kanzure | torrent release groups | 17:02 |
| katsmeow-afk | uhhhh,, duplicate search on ddg and bing gets the results in same order | 17:03 |
| nmz787 | ppl like kanzure that like windows a bit more than he does | 17:03 |
| nmz787 | you basically copy all the files from the windows release, maybe unpack them... clean out the crap you don't want, modify the installer config | 17:04 |
| delinquentme | yeah that still semi-questionable | 17:04 |
| nmz787 | then repack | 17:04 |
| nmz787 | you never heard of bartPe | 17:04 |
| nmz787 | ? | 17:04 |
| delinquentme | I messed with some OS packaging software a while ago | 17:04 |
| nmz787 | they've been around for... at least 6 or years | 17:04 |
| nmz787 | 7* | 17:05 |
| delinquentme | kk brb i gotta go get these solidworks creds | 17:05 |
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| delinquentme | good news is my version will run on win XP :D | 17:16 |
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| katsmeow-afk | oh no! blarg quit! how will Penny deal with this?! | 17:18 |
| katsmeow-afk | (Lost In Space) reference | 17:19 |
| delinquentme | lost in space gave me a crush on heather graham | 17:19 |
| delinquentme | and the robot from the newer version was super awesome | 17:20 |
| katsmeow-afk | i did not like the new robot at all | 17:20 |
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| katsmeow-afk | with the detailed anime chars they can do now, i wish they'd redo Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within | 17:25 |
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| delinquentme_ | alright! emoving old images of linux | 17:27 |
| delinquentme_ | if i dont come b ack | 17:27 |
| delinquentme_ | well im dead | 17:27 |
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| nmz787 | i only vaguely remember FF spirits within... but i think it was pretty good | 17:33 |
| * ybit needs more than 3tb/month bandwidth | 17:33 | |
| nmz787 | i only ever played FFVII, didnt finish it, started playing FFX but then a friend 'borrowed'/stole it | 17:33 |
| ybit | anyone know of a 1Gb/s service offering 5+Tb? | 17:33 |
| ybit | TB, whichever | 17:34 |
| delinquentme_ | FF10 was awesome | 17:34 |
| delinquentme_ | 12 was sick too | 17:34 |
| delinquentme_ | 12x2 id get into as well | 17:34 |
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| ybit | ah, they do go up to 5g | 17:45 |
| ybit | GB | 17:45 |
| katsmeow-afk | ybit, if it's html webpages, the signal-noise rato might be 100:1, use a regular webserver host running php and filter the known garbage and send you what's left | 17:48 |
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| katsmeow-afk | easy way to convert 100k webpages to 1k of text, or grab a 100K webpage to get the url of the pics on it, then dl only the pics | 17:49 |
| katsmeow-afk | ditto pdf links | 17:49 |
| katsmeow-afk | nmz787, i neve played the games, i did see the movie tho | 17:50 |
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| katsmeow-afk | there's not a ton of good things about the movie, but they can fix those in the new one | 17:51 |
| ybit | katsmeow-afk: it's for a tor exit relay | 17:51 |
| katsmeow-afk | the movie was rendered on 800Mhz P3 cpu, i figure if they doubled the number of pentagons and ran it on a new cloud, it might be better | 17:52 |
| ybit | probably going to go with a service that does 3TB/month but only 100Mb/s | 17:52 |
| katsmeow-afk | aka your regular isp? | 17:52 |
| ybit | nope | 17:53 |
| ybit | not running tor exit relay on my home computer | 17:53 |
| ybit | not dealing with blacklisting again | 17:53 |
| katsmeow-afk | you read about the usa feds tracking drug sellers thru tor, busting ~90 of them ? | 17:53 |
| ybit | don't care | 17:53 |
| katsmeow-afk | k | 17:54 |
| ybit | they aren't going to bust the person running the relay | 17:54 |
| * katsmeow-afk nods | 17:54 | |
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| kanzure | man why is every radio station simultaneously playing pink floyd | 18:04 |
| kanzure | katsmeow-afk: you mean the thing starting in 2006? | 18:05 |
| strangewarp | kanzure: it's 4/20 | 18:05 |
| strangewarp | also, that is amazing | 18:05 |
| kanzure | austin's a crazy place | 18:05 |
| Cat4D | ybit cryto vps comparison table | 18:06 |
| Cat4D | http://vps-list.cryto.net/ | 18:07 |
| kanzure | Cat4D: what are your skills/history? | 18:09 |
| Cat4D | !apply ? | 18:09 |
| kanzure | eh? | 18:10 |
| katsmeow-afk | thing starting in 2006? | 18:10 |
| kanzure | something about some team screwing up their tor setup | 18:10 |
| kanzure | not sure. it was recently announced that the fbi nailed them. | 18:11 |
| kanzure | but it wasn't silk road | 18:11 |
| katsmeow-afk | garden path or something | 18:11 |
| ybit | Cat4D: that's pretty nice | 18:11 |
| Cat4D | 20-40$/mo | 18:11 |
| ybit | they are missing some | 18:11 |
| Cat4D | add them please | 18:11 |
| Cat4D | i put in most of the <$10/mo and have been checking them | 18:11 |
| ybit | binarycpu and ionvm | 18:11 |
| katsmeow-afk | i got a black box saying Loading | 18:12 |
| katsmeow-afk | nothing loads | 18:12 |
| Cat4D | i'll get joepie91 to add a list for VPN and bgp peering gateways | 18:12 |
| ybit | katsmeow-afk: probably need to enable js or use a diff browser | 18:12 |
| Cat4D | server ddos, slow today | 18:12 |
| ybit | s/browser/html layout engine | 18:12 |
| kanzure | katsmeow-afk: have you tried phantomjs yet for scraping? | 18:13 |
| ybit | ah, unmetered hosting | 18:13 |
| katsmeow-afk | kanzure, no | 18:13 |
| katsmeow-afk | Cat4D, i see the table from "Traffic" on to the right, but nothing to the left | 18:14 |
| kanzure | katsmeow-afk: http://phantomjs.org/ also this approach can be done in python/ruby/wherever qt bindings exist, but for some reason nobody's done it yet | 18:14 |
| Cat4D | most mining tools keep getting federalized | 18:14 |
| Cat4D | phantom is ok, but its not intensive | 18:14 |
| Cat4D | "service violation" blackmail | 18:15 |
| kanzure | Cat4D: what does "intensive" mean | 18:16 |
| Cat4D | ybit ive prepared most of a tor2 system, serves as a public facing mirroring proxy as well, massively distributed, etc | 18:16 |
| Cat4D | and the wrappers are done right, based on what i told the onion idiots before even havenco was set up | 18:17 |
| Cat4D | what are you trying to mine? | 18:17 |
| Cat4D | scrape, whatever | 18:17 |
| Cat4D | mine implies intrusive now | 18:17 |
| ybit | i'm not trying to scrape anything, just need a tor exit relay on 24/7 | 18:17 |
| katsmeow-afk | they loose all the exits periodically?? | 18:18 |
| Cat4D | ya, any of those 20$ hosts are fine, blue has favouring policy | 18:18 |
| Cat4D | of course, you really want a german one | 18:18 |
| ybit | vpscheap.net is unmetered and ..cheap | 18:18 |
| Cat4D | so you are not allowed to keep logs | 18:19 |
| katsmeow-afk | isn't the point of tor for the scraped site to not know where or who you are, and to that end having different exits is a good thing? | 18:19 |
| Cat4D | please add these to the list, link to add is on top | 18:19 |
| ybit | it's on the list, it's how i found it just now :) | 18:19 |
| Cat4D | you can set up a small distributed cluster yourself and peer it to the outer edges of the public relays | 18:19 |
| Cat4D | check bw, some are 10mbit even still, old data centers | 18:20 |
| Cat4D | make sure you shatter the repository data though, just in case it mirrors something hot | 18:20 |
| Cat4D | some targets, especially weapons tech, are traced using the military system, which locks on to the human at the console and ... zaps it | 18:21 |
| Cat4D | some topics | 18:21 |
| Cat4D | --- why your fone's touch screen is bio-capacitative | 18:22 |
| katsmeow-afk | i still have a black "Loading" box coverng important data, in IE, FF, and K-Meleon | 18:22 |
| Cat4D | so it can record the "intent" that you wanted to terrorisms | 18:22 |
| kanzure | Cat4D: i scrape all sorts of things. basically anything and everything. | 18:22 |
| Cat4D | good | 18:22 |
| kanzure | science, protocols, pokemon | 18:22 |
| kanzure | shoes :p | 18:22 |
| kanzure | (shoes is work-related) | 18:22 |
| Cat4D | target opengl and GLSL shaders and compilers | 18:22 |
| Cat4D | drivers as well | 18:23 |
| Cat4D | work? | 18:23 |
| kanzure | i do app development | 18:23 |
| Cat4D | note ybit there are multiple public tor master clusters, unrelated to the original | 18:24 |
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| kanzure | hrm, actually, why hasn't someone provided public metadata on top of wipo.int patents or something | 18:27 |
| kanzure | haha uspto.gov is ridiculous "IP Contributes $5 Trillion and 40 Million Jobs to Economy" | 18:28 |
| kanzure | according to http://www.uspto.gov/ip/officechiefecon/report_ip_and_the_us_economy.jsp | 18:28 |
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| kanzure | rofl i forgot about their 'dashboard' http://www.uspto.gov/dashboards/patents/main.dashxml | 18:29 |
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| kanzure | http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=32&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PTXT&s1=%22dna+synthesis%22&OS=%22dna+synthesis%22&RS=%22dna+synthesis%22 | 18:31 |
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| Cat4D | royalties, dumbass | 18:45 |
| kanzure | yep | 18:45 |
| Cat4D | the ibm patent viewer was massive $ purchase | 18:45 |
| Cat4D | yay! 4k demos in js+webgl | 18:45 |
| kanzure | but more economic value would be created without paying royalties and licensing costs | 18:45 |
| Cat4D | how bout just eradicate that country? | 18:46 |
| kanzure | that's hard | 18:46 |
| Cat4D | not really, they set it up effectively | 18:46 |
| Cat4D | look how they cry about SS problems, wait till they determine /me did 9/11 | 18:47 |
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| Cat4D | kanzure you would like http://ship.baywords.com | 18:57 |
| Cat4D | fuk they geocitiesed it! | 18:58 |
| ParahSailin_ | tx/rx is pretty cool | 19:11 |
| @kanzure | ParahSailin_: did you go? | 19:11 |
| ParahSailin_ | yeah | 19:12 |
| ParahSailin_ | forrest showed me around | 19:12 |
| @kanzure | i haven't been yet :( | 19:12 |
| katsmeow-afk | http://web.archive.org/web/20110707214709/http://ship.baywords.com/ | 19:13 |
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| katsmeow-afk | looks last last update was 4 yrs ago | 19:15 |
| nmz787 | "your mom went to college" | 19:20 |
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| delinquentme | klafka, >_< howdeh! | 19:26 |
| klafka | hey | 19:27 |
| klafka | hey delinquentme do you know pymongo? | 19:27 |
| klafka | or anyone else for that matter | 19:27 |
| * katsmeow-afk trips on the ambiguity | 19:28 | |
| delinquentme | nopes | 19:28 |
| klafka | damn | 19:28 |
| klafka | i kind of wish sometimes i lived in a nerd warehouse and not an art warehouse | 19:29 |
| klafka | or that my warehouse had more nerds in it | 19:29 |
| katsmeow-afk | might be worthy to read, non-electric logic elements operated by pneumatics : http://hydraulicspneumatics.com/other-technologies/chapter-19-moving-part-air-logic-controls | 19:30 |
| klafka | sweet figured it out | 19:32 |
| klafka | main javascript has warped my brain a bit | 19:35 |
| delinquentme | happy days! arduino finished setting up | 19:41 |
| delinquentme | klafka, your guys are using pymongo? | 19:41 |
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| klafka | i'm using pymongo | 19:42 |
| klafka | we mainly use ruby | 19:42 |
| @kanzure | javascript does that to you | 19:42 |
| klafka | and whatever the ruby interface is called for mongo | 19:42 |
| @kanzure | is pymongo just a mongodb thing | 19:42 |
| klafka | yeah | 19:42 |
| klafka | just a wrapper for mongodb | 19:42 |
| @kanzure | k what's up | 19:42 |
| klafka | oh nothing i figured it out actually! | 19:42 |
| @kanzure | aw :( | 19:42 |
| klafka | i needed to import ObjectId from bson | 19:42 |
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| @kanzure | biocurious telepresence robot | 20:03 |
| @kanzure | http://208.74.181.197:5850/Roomba/ | 20:03 |
| @kanzure | hmm i seem to be decapitated | 20:04 |
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| Mariu | wow, nice | 20:07 |
| @kanzure | "Don't move the robot unless you've started up a hangout session to watch where you're going, though!" | 20:07 |
| @kanzure | this implementation is dumb | 20:07 |
| Mariu | gotcha, I moved forward and backwards :p | 20:08 |
| @kanzure | why not just a streaming webcam :( why googleplus | 20:08 |
| Mariu | should be where it was | 20:08 |
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| klafka | googleplus is super easy to setup | 20:11 |
| klafka | easier than a streaming web cam | 20:11 |
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| @kanzure | klafka: that doesn't mean it's the right solution :P | 20:11 |
| delinquentme | also know that google shares images on emails | 20:13 |
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| delinquentme | soo if you get pics from someone you're friended on G+ | 20:13 |
| delinquentme | Ho ho! they're showing up in your emails | 20:13 |
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| klafka | argh | 20:25 |
| klafka | i don't know why this is acting weird | 20:25 |
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| @kanzure | beep boop | 22:28 |
| @kanzure | ivan`: i apologize for pooping all over your hangout | 22:28 |
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| yashgaroth | eyyo kanz when the fbi sting invites going out | 22:28 |
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| yashgaroth | meeting* | 22:29 |
| @kanzure | sorta kinda been sent out already | 22:29 |
| @kanzure | they got joseph jackson and the wilson center to send them out for them, haha | 22:29 |
| yashgaroth | nooooo | 22:29 |
| yashgaroth | well shit this bird flu ain't gonna sell itself to the north koreans | 22:30 |
| @kanzure | they are inviting a ton of people | 22:31 |
| @kanzure | do you want to go? | 22:31 |
| yashgaroth | sure | 22:32 |
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| @kanzure | yashgaroth: you should email joseph.jackson@gmail.com and myself explaining where you're from and what projects you're up to, and that you'd be interested in attending | 22:35 |
| yashgaroth | bah fine | 22:37 |
| @kanzure | hrm? i can't think of a better way | 22:37 |
| @kanzure | i guess i could send out the email first, but i probably wouldn't do that until tomorrow ;) | 22:38 |
| yashgaroth | well neither would I, but if you do it, we can meet up with the biosearch founder's son in novato :V | 22:39 |
| yashgaroth | anyway it's not like I have a $5 DIY FPLC project going, I'm just one of the few people in diybio who actually knows biology | 22:40 |
| yashgaroth | not to make the community look bad | 22:40 |
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| yashgaroth | well okay I'll send him the email but if I don't get an invite I'm blaming you | 22:43 |
| @kanzure | hahah | 22:43 |
| @kanzure | :( | 22:45 |
| @kanzure | i have no idea what their capacity is like. they are inviting basically everyone. | 22:46 |
| @kanzure | and as far as i know, nobody from san diego yet | 22:46 |
| yashgaroth | well there's no diybio in SD that I know of, I'll ask around at the mini-conference next weekend if anyone's into it though | 22:46 |
| yashgaroth | err, the h+ conference | 22:46 |
| @kanzure | mini-conference? oh i see | 22:46 |
| @kanzure | are you paying for that :( | 22:46 |
| yashgaroth | is there an entry fee? | 22:47 |
| @kanzure | usually.. | 22:47 |
| @kanzure | i wouldn't recommend paying | 22:47 |
| @kanzure | either go as a speaker or go as a volunteer, or not at all | 22:47 |
| yashgaroth | hmm lemme see how much it is | 22:48 |
| yashgaroth | I'd rather pay than volunteer | 22:48 |
| yashgaroth | sixty bucks! fuuuuuck | 22:48 |
| @kanzure | not worth it dude | 22:48 |
| @kanzure | volunteer and you might have to plug some cables in | 22:48 |
| yashgaroth | eh screw it I can pay | 22:49 |
| @kanzure | you are insufficiently cheap | 22:52 |
| yashgaroth | heh | 22:53 |
| yashgaroth | do you know anyone else who's going? | 22:54 |
| @kanzure | tons of people | 22:55 |
| @kanzure | yashgaroth: from in here.. myself, nmz787, juul, _F7_, probably someone else | 22:55 |
| @kanzure | oh and maybe you | 22:55 |
| yashgaroth | oh you mean the FBI thing, not the h+ thing | 22:56 |
| @kanzure | and then i know most of the other diybio people who are going, but aren't presently in this channel | 22:56 |
| @kanzure | oh, the h+ thing.. i know nobody going ;) | 22:56 |
| @kanzure | who's running the conference? i probably know those people | 22:56 |
| yashgaroth | mike eddy, john jacobson, jamie dunbaugh | 22:56 |
| yashgaroth | kevin macneel | 22:56 |
| augur | :( | 22:57 |
| augur | this channel depresses me | 22:57 |
| yashgaroth | ? | 22:57 |
| @kanzure | that's not the usual humanityplus roll list | 22:58 |
| yashgaroth | david pearce is speaking as well | 22:58 |
| @kanzure | well, everyone knows him :p | 22:58 |
| yashgaroth | otherwise, they appear to have rolled it into the TEDx thing | 22:58 |
| @kanzure | weird | 22:58 |
| yashgaroth | oh can I mention the microfluidics dna synthesis thing or are you keeping that on the down-low? | 23:05 |
| @kanzure | you can mention it | 23:06 |
| yashgaroth | k sent | 23:06 |
| @kanzure | ah yes, definitely to joe- joe knows about it | 23:06 |
| @kanzure | and joe is an avid transhumanist as well, all is well.. | 23:07 |
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| yashgaroth | heh, seems to be true of 90% of diybio'ers happily | 23:07 |
| @kanzure | oorrr i just keep all of you guys in a bubble and only show you the good stuff | 23:08 |
| @kanzure | s/good/awul | 23:08 |
| @kanzure | *awful <- failed | 23:08 |
| yashgaroth | oooh I wonder if alec nielsen's going | 23:08 |
| @kanzure | i think he's in sf now | 23:09 |
| yashgaroth | wouldn't surprise | 23:10 |
| yashgaroth | fuck maybe I should just move up there | 23:10 |
| delinquentme | its alive :D | 23:10 |
| @kanzure | "two per region" | 23:14 |
| @kanzure | what does that mean | 23:14 |
| @kanzure | yashgaroth: btw if you go, you will probably have to give a short 10min presentation | 23:15 |
| yashgaroth | I can do that | 23:15 |
| yashgaroth | also I can represent the great state of nebraska if necessary | 23:16 |
| yashgaroth | two per region seems kind of arbitrary considering the region of cambridge | 23:19 |
| @kanzure | i don't know what a region is | 23:19 |
| @kanzure | california? what about all the biocurious people | 23:19 |
| yashgaroth | there seem to be three active people in san diego diybio, depending on your definition of 'active' | 23:20 |
| @kanzure | haha oh i heart this a lot: | 23:21 |
| @kanzure | a "yahoo! answers" question about myostatin | 23:22 |
| @kanzure | http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120420213437AAJS5Xa | 23:22 |
| @kanzure | aww, zero answers.. i am so disappointed. "yahoo! answers" are usually the most hilarious. | 23:22 |
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| delinquentme | christian mingle is trying to recruit me | 23:28 |
| delinquentme | thoughts? | 23:28 |
| delinquentme | suggestions? | 23:28 |
| yashgaroth | is that like eharmony | 23:28 |
| delinquentme | yashgaroth, its better | 23:29 |
| delinquentme | purity +10 | 23:29 |
| Mariu | recruit you for what ? | 23:30 |
| yashgaroth | considering american employment laws they may require you to be, uh, faithful | 23:30 |
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| yashgaroth | to jayzus | 23:30 |
| Mariu | LOL | 23:30 |
| katsmeow-afk | and str8 | 23:30 |
| delinquentme | i think thats my fav. | 23:30 |
| delinquentme | pray to jay! | 23:30 |
| delinquentme | katsmeow-afk, listen gay for pay is OK | 23:30 |
| delinquentme | dont even say 'aint no way' | 23:31 |
| delinquentme | ok yeh sleep deprived :D | 23:31 |
| delinquentme | katsmeow-afk, STEPPERS MOVED :D | 23:31 |
| delinquentme | including the acceleration lib! | 23:31 |
| katsmeow-afk | congrats | 23:33 |
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| @kanzure | "Dr. Masters said cell banks report that 20 percent of cell lines sent for inclusion in their repositories for use by researchers are improperly identified" | 23:52 |
| @kanzure | "He was co-chair of an international committee of scientists that released voluntary guidelines this year to begin solving the problem. They call for, among other measures, routine profiling of cell lines using a DNA technique employed in forensics called "short tandem repeats," or STR." | 23:52 |
| @kanzure | "It may take a year or more to find the right combination of nutrients to keep cancer cells growing. Once a line is established, scientists often share them with colleagues, who then grow them in their own labs. The problem is that many scientists don't test the cells when shipping or receiving a batch." | 23:52 |
| @kanzure | "he most famous and ubiquitous human cancer cell line was the firstan aggressive, fast-growing cervical cancer taken from Henrietta Lacks of Maryland before her death in 1951. It has been shared with scientists world-wide in the decades since, playing a broad role in medical research spanning polio to hemophilia." | 23:53 |
| @kanzure | "The so-called HeLa cells, named for Ms. Lacks, also have taken over other cancer cell lines, many times unknown to researchers." | 23:53 |
| @kanzure | "These mix-ups are maddeningly difficult to pinpoint: an improperly sterilized pipette, a lab worker momentarily distracted, a misread label or a typo on a record sheet. Cell repositories in the U.S., U.K., Germany, and Japan have estimated that [18 - 36] percent of cancer cell lines are incorrectly identified. " | 23:53 |
| @kanzure | "Dr. Tarin himself is at the center of a lingering debate over the true identity of a famous breast cancer cell line known as MDA-MB-435. Dr. Tarin has spent 25 years working with that cell line - or so he thinks. A body of research suggests that MDA-MB-435 isn't breast cancer; many scientists now believe the cells growing in labs and used in decades of research are Melanoma." | 23:53 |
| yashgaroth | sounds about right | 23:54 |
| delinquentme | night all | 23:54 |
| delinquentme | sreep tight ! | 23:54 |
| @kanzure | "Nearly 40 years later, Dr. Masters, in a study of scientific papers published between 2000 and 2004, found nearly a 1,000 citations of the same contaminated cancer lines revealed in Dr. Gartler's 1966 findings, which have since been replicated many times using more advanced techniques. "They are either crooks or stupid," said Dr. Masters." | 23:55 |
| @kanzure | "Financial donors to cancer research are unaware of the problem, Dr. Masters said, and "it would be a pity if money stopped going to cancer research" because scientists fail to test their cell lines, a procedure that costs about $200." (er, $200 is a bit high) | 23:55 |
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