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| yashgaroth | no the sequence of the glycine-rich segments is the most important part | 00:00 |
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| diginet | hmm, I suppose you're right | 00:01 |
| yashgaroth | additionally, you can't ligate proteins end-to-end like that, not reliably or even unreliably | 00:01 |
| diginet | well darn | 00:02 |
| * ParahSailin was trying to tell you that | 00:03 | |
| diginet | ParahSailin, but to be fair, when you were telling me that I was talking about synthesizing peptides in a specific order, why couldn't I do it then? | 00:03 |
| yashgaroth | do what | 00:05 |
| diginet | native chemical ligation | 00:05 |
| yashgaroth | I guess if you had custom amino acids you used to synthesize the subunits, you could get something vaguely similar | 00:12 |
| yashgaroth | but if you're altering the structure every 10 residues, it'll lose some of the properties you're trying to keep | 00:12 |
| yashgaroth | not to mention that there's no way a protein that already gets made naturally will be easier to make synthetically | 00:13 |
| diginet | considering we can't farm spiders, isn't that a moot point? | 00:15 |
| diginet | or do you mean, via cellular expression? | 00:15 |
| yashgaroth | ya insect cells or something | 00:15 |
| yashgaroth | also I still think spider ranching is viable | 00:16 |
| diginet | that's a /lot/ of work though, ranching that is | 00:17 |
| yashgaroth | man you have no idea how involved, expensive and time consuming your alternatives are | 00:17 |
| Mokbortolan_ | just cut them in half and give them electronic heads | 00:18 |
| yashgaroth | bro if we just get them high they'll totally work together, if they feel like working | 00:18 |
| Mokbortolan_ | make sure they don't unionize | 00:19 |
| yashgaroth | those communal spider colonies must have at least a kilo of silk, I mean you saw the pictures right? | 00:19 |
| diginet | having those around the house sounds horrifying :/ | 00:19 |
| diginet | it just seems like there's no reason why abiotic peptide synthesis shouldn't be possible, at least theoretically, at the same efficiency as in cells | 00:20 |
| yashgaroth | ha | 00:20 |
| yashgaroth | nature has had billions of years to optimize, we're lucky science is even as far as it is now | 00:21 |
| diginet | I'm not saying it would be easy of course | 00:21 |
| yashgaroth | well developing the entire basis to make that realistic will be...let me run the numbers...a squillion times harder than spider ranching | 00:22 |
| diginet | haha | 00:23 |
| diginet | I guess artificial synthesis (and by extention, automation) is a much more, I suppose you could say, "elegant" solution, in my mind's eye | 00:24 |
| yashgaroth | I wish it were | 00:25 |
| diginet | I'm sorry for pestering you with all my inane questions, yashgaroth. but thank you for being so kind and accomodating | 00:26 |
| yashgaroth | sure np | 00:27 |
| yashgaroth | believe me I hate spiders as much as anyone, in fact I just squished one on the wall next to me a second ago, but ranching is by far the preferable option | 00:28 |
| Mokbortolan_ | I have a pet spider | 00:28 |
| diginet | I don't hate them, I just don't think me and the spiders would make good roommates :p | 00:28 |
| Mokbortolan_ | I found it underneath a hidden staircase in my house, it's gotta be 3 years old | 00:28 |
| Mokbortolan_ | huge | 00:28 |
| Mokbortolan_ | so the kids catch flies and feed it, it's awesome | 00:29 |
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| yashgaroth | it's totally not biding its time until it escapes | 00:29 |
| Mokbortolan_ | it's the kind that makes lots of cobwebs | 00:29 |
| Mokbortolan_ | it's happy, I'm sure it was lonely down there | 00:29 |
| Mokbortolan_ | horrible place, if you're a bug | 00:29 |
| Mokbortolan_ | bug skeletons everywhere, a lurking monster | 00:29 |
| diginet | yashgaroth, ranching is the most realistic option, it's just I have kind of eccentric ideas of what is an aesthetically ideal solution, if you get me | 00:30 |
| yashgaroth | oh totally, but if you like that get into physics or something | 00:30 |
| Mokbortolan_ | ranching spiders is like herding cats | 00:30 |
| yashgaroth | ok whew /clear got rid of all the spider talk | 00:30 |
| yashgaroth | dmanit | 00:30 |
| yashgaroth | but there are well-documented communal spiders | 00:31 |
| diginet | yashgaroth, funny story, physics is my first love :P | 00:31 |
| yashgaroth | not surprising | 00:31 |
| yashgaroth | even if you just send expeditions to go harvest wild communal spiders, it'll be far more cost-effective than anything synthetic | 00:31 |
| Mokbortolan_ | no really, he had sex with his textbook | 00:31 |
| diginet | what? | 00:32 |
| yashgaroth | the pages are so smooth and glossy...mmmmmm | 00:32 |
| diginet | I'm confused | 00:32 |
| yashgaroth | heh | 00:32 |
| Mokbortolan_ | indeed | 00:32 |
| diginet | Mokbortolan_, how did we get from physics to, well, that | 00:33 |
| Mokbortolan_ | besides, there's so much more to gain by studying spiders' biomechanics | 00:33 |
| Mokbortolan_ | it was a humorous interpretation of your statement that physics was your first love | 00:33 |
| yashgaroth | or just fill a room with PVC tree structures, throw a bunch of those spiders and some feed insects in | 00:33 |
| Mokbortolan_ | well, what can you do with the spun silk? | 00:33 |
| Mokbortolan_ | pull it all down and comb it out? | 00:33 |
| diginet | weave into fabric | 00:34 |
| diginet | then use that for stuff | 00:34 |
| yashgaroth | dissolve it and reconstitute, as he'd have to do anyway with any synthetic or cell-culture approach | 00:34 |
| Mokbortolan_ | I still think cyber-spiders are more feasible, but I'm probably biased. | 00:35 |
| yashgaroth | the badass coefficient would be much higher than that of the alternatives | 00:35 |
| diginet | hmm | 00:37 |
| diginet | so get a bunch of communal spiders, put them in an enclosure with a grid of sorts to encourage web spinning, harvest the web, dissolve it, respin it | 00:37 |
| Mokbortolan_ | that's so boring | 00:38 |
| yashgaroth | but you get to wear a cowboy hat | 00:38 |
| Mokbortolan_ | cowboy hats are overrated | 00:40 |
| yashgaroth | robot cowboy hat? | 00:40 |
| diginet | so apparently the species that spun that gigantic communal web in east texas was primarily Tetragnatha guatemalensis | 00:41 |
| Mokbortolan_ | I woulder if you could glue a bunch of headless spiders to a food tube, then somehow manipulate their bodies to constantly spin a certain type of fiber | 00:41 |
| diginet | that sounds cruel | 00:42 |
| Mokbortolan_ | yeah | 00:42 |
| Mokbortolan_ | is that any more cruel than any sort of factory farming though? | 00:42 |
| yashgaroth | oh god their jaws are horrifying | 00:42 |
| Mokbortolan_ | it'd be like the matrix, except the robots replaced the heads of the humans | 00:43 |
| diginet | not really, I wasn't going to kill them or anything | 00:43 |
| yashgaroth | gonna be hard to collect the webs without killing 'em | 00:43 |
| Mokbortolan_ | raising something means you doom it to death by life | 00:44 |
| Mokbortolan_ | whether it dies of old age, or just plumb wears out | 00:44 |
| Mokbortolan_ | besides, bugs lose their heads all the time and keep going | 00:44 |
| Mokbortolan_ | though I think with spiders there are some issues related to hydraulics involved | 00:44 |
| diginet | yashgaroth, anaesthetize them with CO2? | 00:45 |
| Mokbortolan_ | and then shake the "tree" real hard? | 00:45 |
| diginet | yeah | 00:46 |
| yashgaroth | you figure it out, I'm fine with killing them | 00:47 |
| diginet | what about spider silk analogs with peptoids? | 00:48 |
| Mokbortolan_ | spider locomotion is awesome | 00:48 |
| yashgaroth | what did I tell you about delving into more esoteric options | 00:50 |
| diginet | okay okay you're right | 00:51 |
| Mokbortolan_ | http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/01/120106113037.htm | 00:52 |
| Mokbortolan_ | Hybrid Silkworms Spin Stronger Spider Silk | 00:53 |
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| diginet | silkworms aren't exactly "easy" to cultivate, considering you need a ton of mulberry | 00:53 |
| Mokbortolan_ | easier than spiders | 00:57 |
| Mokbortolan_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wbmEjTvszI | 00:58 |
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| strangewarp | Dremeling wood always ends up imprecise; I ought to have just found someone with a laser-cutter and made an enclosure from scratch.. | 01:43 |
| strangewarp | Oh well, it's a DIY musical instrument, it won't matter too much if one part of the enclosure is slightly lumpy | 01:43 |
| strangewarp | (Fulfilling my duty, padding the edges of hardball conversations with softball musings. Yay!) | 01:43 |
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| Thorbinator | apparently the mind can adapt to new frequencies added to the visual cortex? | 03:16 |
| Thorbinator | http://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/snhk4/could_it_ever_be_possible_to_invent_a_bionic_eye/ | 03:16 |
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| _F7_ | Mokbortolan, you in? | 07:56 |
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| kanzure | hmm | 09:01 |
| _F7_ | mmh | 09:01 |
| DrOctothorpe | mhm | 09:02 |
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| Mokbortolan_ | mmm-hmm. | 09:29 |
| Mokbortolan_ | No sir, I don't like it. | 09:29 |
| AdrianG | http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2012/04/20/buckyball_longevity_theres_a_problem.php | 09:30 |
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| kanzure | "I have the Mindflex toy." | 09:44 |
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| kanzure | "It's debatable whether it does anything. Because yes when you put it on it powers up and the ball goes up sometimes and down sometimes, but IMHO even among people who think they're "good" at controlling it, the correlation of direction doesn't seem to be any different than random chance." | 09:44 |
| kanzure | "Then we attached it to a damp kitchen sponge and it recognized it, powered up, and again started drifting the ball up and down. It wouldn't make sense for this to be EMI, the motion up and down was fairly long-period stuff for EMI." | 09:44 |
| kanzure | "If it were susceptible to this noise on a sponge, it'd get the same noise on someone's head anyway." | 09:44 |
| kanzure | "My theory is they had this neat idea which worked in theory, but had inflexible deadlines and the thing wasn't working, not for everyone. " | 09:45 |
| kanzure | "So push came to shove and they said "whatever, people will believe whatever they WANT to believe. Make it move up and down at random, no one will know the difference, just make it only start going once it's been put on someone's head so it doesn't look too fake"." | 09:45 |
| Mokbortolan_ | sounds good | 09:53 |
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| AdrianG | kanzure: is there any reliable study on myopia reversal? | 10:32 |
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| kanzure | AdrianG: i don't know | 10:54 |
| Cat4D | http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/04/23/executive-order-blocking-property-and-suspending-entry-united-states-cer | 10:56 |
| kanzure | aquarius reef base photostream http://www.flickr.com/photos/aquariusreefbasepermalink/with/5939247862/ | 10:59 |
| kanzure | "extra air" http://www.flickr.com/photos/aquariusreefbase/6041129949/in/photostream | 11:00 |
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| ParahSailin | http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0047272700000773 hax this? | 11:32 |
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| Cat4D | http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/04/23/executive-order-blocking-property-and-suspending-entry-united-states-cer | 11:37 |
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| diginet | kanzure, do you have any info on genetic modification of plants to grow faster? | 12:55 |
| kanzure | not off-hand | 12:56 |
| diginet | ahh okay | 12:56 |
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| kanzure | http://isites.harvard.edu/icb/icb.do?keyword=k77982&tabgroupid=icb.tabgroup143448 | 13:27 |
| kanzure | "Major Periodical Subscriptions Cannot Be Sustained" | 13:27 |
| kanzure | "Harvard’s annual cost for journals from these providers now approaches $3.75M. In 2010, the comparable amount accounted for more than 20% of all periodical subscription costs and just under 10% of all collection costs for everything the Library acquires." | 13:27 |
| kanzure | "Some journals cost as much as $40,000 per year, others in the tens of thousands. Prices for online content from two providers have increased by about 145% over the past six years, which far exceeds not only the consumer price index, but also the higher education and the library price indices." | 13:28 |
| kanzure | "Even though scholarly output continues to grow and publishing can be expensive, profit margins of 35% and more suggest that the prices we must pay do not solely result from an increasing supply of new articles." | 13:28 |
| kanzure | 35% profit margins.. hehehe | 13:28 |
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| nmz7871 | yo | 13:44 |
| nmz7871 | how do i change my name back to nmz787? | 13:44 |
| diginet | 35%? are you kidding me? I highly doubt it takes the larger part of $40k to put a bunch of PDFs online | 13:44 |
| kanzure | nmz7871: /nick nmz787 | 13:49 |
| kanzure | diginet: to be fair, some journals convert submissions to latex and do formatting, illustrations, etc. but most don't. | 13:49 |
| kanzure | it's interesting that the journals might cost $40,000 for a subscription, but the per paper cost is $35/each.. of course, each of those $35 copies have a restrictive license, but whatevs | 13:50 |
| diginet | kanzure, I suppose, but how is it that I can get a 24-month subscription to Nat'l Geographic for like $100 or so, and they actually write the articles? | 13:50 |
| kanzure | national geographic is not an academic resource | 13:50 |
| diginet | I know | 13:50 |
| kanzure | national geographic doesn't negotiate with libraries | 13:50 |
| diginet | but the point is, the publishers don't produce anything | 13:50 |
| diginet | err | 13:50 |
| kanzure | in fact, most journals don't.. it's the aggregators like elsevier | 13:50 |
| diginet | write any of the articles | 13:50 |
| kanzure | yes, but they still charge you anyway | 13:51 |
| diginet | yeah, but in most cases it seems like do nothing more than charge money to make the paper change hands | 13:51 |
| kanzure | yes | 13:52 |
| diginet | the comparison to Nat'l Geographic was because they're not just aggregating stuff they didn't write and then selling it, they're producing their own, original content | 13:52 |
| diginet | I know it's not the same, all I'm saying is its not like Elsevier is employing scientists to write their articles | 13:53 |
| * AlonzoTG just got fired again. =( | 13:56 | |
| ThomasEgi_ | AlonzoTG, at what job? | 13:57 |
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| nmz7871 | kanzure: how can i syndicate my onenNote sessions to the web? | 14:07 |
| kanzure | i don't actually use onenote | 14:07 |
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| nmz787 | thought you might have seen something | 14:08 |
| nmz787 | i guess i could run a cron job to scrape the dropbox dir | 14:08 |
| nmz787 | and copy it to a web directory | 14:08 |
| kanzure | er.. dropbox should auto-sync to your folder | 14:09 |
| kanzure | you can just run a web server locally and set the directory to be the same as the dropbox dir | 14:09 |
| nmz787 | if i can have oneNote save as pdf automatically | 14:09 |
| kanzure | nmz787: i think we're gonna go with both bluray and the laser tube | 14:13 |
| kanzure | and also a photolithography setup because why not / we should do it anyway | 14:13 |
| kanzure | bluray approach looks cheap, so its cost doesn't matter if it doesn't work | 14:14 |
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| nmz787 | blu-ray is a good first step | 14:15 |
| nmz787 | i would say send fenn some goggles and a new 12X bluray burner | 14:15 |
| nmz787 | i will be out there around the 7th-10th through the 17-20th | 14:16 |
| nmz787 | so we have some time to work | 14:16 |
| nmz787 | june | 14:16 |
| kanzure | er why so early | 14:17 |
| nmz787 | to work | 14:17 |
| nmz787 | i'm planning on roadtripping from ~1st | 14:17 |
| nmz787 | unless you don't want to get together | 14:17 |
| kanzure | *shrug* works for me | 14:18 |
| nmz787 | i mean, its the only time we /know/ for sure that i'm gonna be out there in the future | 14:18 |
| kanzure | then let's play to have stuff ordered and shipped before then | 14:18 |
| nmz787 | that sounds good | 14:18 |
| nmz787 | i think the CO2 route is gonna be a hard option | 14:18 |
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| nmz787 | i asked my buddy about combining blue beams, he said the quality of the beam is gonna go down, i.e. phase differences and interference and different modes all mixed togethre | 14:19 |
| nmz787 | together | 14:19 |
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| nmz787 | but when i said, we're doing vector cutting though, so if the beam drags along, it might be fine for our purposes | 14:20 |
| nmz787 | (he came from laser lab where the amount of spatial filters they were dealing with were the size of like a footbal field | 14:20 |
| nmz787 | because they had so much power at the end, if they didn't parallelize the physical optics, it would have burned the pinholes (spatial filter) when passing through | 14:21 |
| nmz787 | ) | 14:21 |
| nmz787 | so he said it might be fine, but he didn't really know about beam combiners, and to talk to another guy in town. | 14:22 |
| nmz787 | but i remember Cat4D was talking about combining beams too | 14:22 |
| nmz787 | Cat4D: do you have lazer pics? | 14:22 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: ever use http://www.evernote.com/ | 14:23 |
| nmz787 | ? | 14:23 |
| kanzure | a loong time ago. it has its uses.. | 14:23 |
| Cat4D | live.irib.ir | 14:24 |
| Cat4D | lazer pics... umm dr evil or holograms? | 14:24 |
| kanzure | the laser system you built. | 14:25 |
| Cat4D | beam consolidation is either, prism, directional mirror, or alignment | 14:25 |
| Cat4D | which alignment is easiest if you have a milled cone or sphere | 14:26 |
| nmz787 | can you help us pick optics? | 14:26 |
| Cat4D | or even a pyramid | 14:26 |
| * Cat4D just makes | 14:26 | |
| Cat4D | you are still trying to blast channels in plastic? | 14:26 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: apparently wineHQ gives oneNote 2010 Bronze rating -- pic http://appdb.winehq.org/screenshots.php?iAppId=2911&iVersionId=23632 | 14:27 |
| nmz787 | Cat4D: silicone, using a few 1W 405nm diodes | 14:27 |
| nmz787 | ebay has emm new | 14:27 |
| Cat4D | ya, 4-5 typical 1w would be fine | 14:27 |
| nmz787 | 70-100$ | 14:27 |
| Cat4D | typical pri.. ya | 14:27 |
| Cat4D | though mw+mw= | 14:27 |
| Cat4D | which bands? | 14:27 |
| Cat4D | remember your coherence and interference issues | 14:28 |
| nmz787 | how can we sync them? by turn on time? | 14:28 |
| Cat4D | www.osiris-project.eu/uploads/presentations/lcos_laser_projector_sideurodisplay09.pdf | 14:28 |
| Cat4D | polarity, and for yours, its likely not relevant | 14:29 |
| Cat4D | might be beneficial, zap all directions | 14:29 |
| Cat4D | have you seen any high speed mems/etc bean directors? | 14:29 |
| Cat4D | I need a new scanner assy, would like to be able to do rgb channels at wqxga off a video card as pixels (plus analogue vectoring) | 14:30 |
| nmz787 | ya | 14:30 |
| nmz787 | pico projector | 14:30 |
| nmz787 | http://www.digikey.com/product-highlights/us/en/texas-instruments-dlp-technologies/688 | 14:30 |
| Cat4D | the only pico similar is the microvision, but its limited | 14:31 |
| nmz787 | 2400hz if pre-programmed patterns | 14:31 |
| Cat4D | a beam steering rig used to be common toy | 14:31 |
| nmz787 | they have that too | 14:31 |
| nmz787 | talp | 14:31 |
| Cat4D | its likely that 2500*1600*60hz is too fast for larger mems | 14:32 |
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| Cat4D | but i just want 4 entry gates, a consolidator prism, and a steering mirror, synced to dvi/hdmi/whatever | 14:32 |
| nmz787 | http://www.ti.com/product/talp1000b | 14:32 |
| nmz787 | g2g, bbl | 14:33 |
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| Cat4D | vga for pico, and 300 bux without controller is ... kinda high | 14:34 |
| Cat4D | tnx will review | 14:35 |
| kanzure | do you have something cheaper? | 14:35 |
| Cat4D | ? | 14:41 |
| Cat4D | for what? | 14:41 |
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| Cat4D | kan you're using a micro stage, right? | 14:47 |
| Cat4D | pi.com style? | 14:47 |
| Cat4D | nmz TI calls them DMD | 14:50 |
| Cat4D | ohstfu http://www.ti.com/analog/docs/memsmidlevel.tsp?sectionId=622&tabId=2447 | 14:59 |
| Cat4D | patent racket | 14:59 |
| diginet | could someone here get an article for me? | 15:02 |
| diginet | http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0168945286901196 [-] | 15:03 |
| Cat4D | if it wasnt for this mess, everyone would have a solar powerd and lighted handheld projector at max resolution | 15:06 |
| * Cat4D tells iran that the americans are preventing the display of information, shuts down usdoc.gov | 15:06 | |
| diginet | nevermind, I got it | 15:07 |
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| kanzure | Cat4D: no we're not necessarily using DMD | 15:22 |
| Cat4D | you have a stage already | 15:22 |
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| Cat4D | ? | 15:26 |
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| kanzure | hi yashgaroth | 15:51 |
| yashgaroth | ey you hear anything from joe jackson re: me? | 15:51 |
| kanzure | haven't talked with him | 15:52 |
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| kanzure | he's very friendly, you should email him ad ask | 15:52 |
| kanzure | *and | 15:52 |
| yashgaroth | blergh okay then | 15:52 |
| kanzure | *shrug* | 15:56 |
| kanzure | or i could send it | 15:57 |
| yashgaroth | you think it'd be easier if I offer to pay for hotel etc? if that's what the quota is about | 15:57 |
| kanzure | haha don't offer that just yet | 15:57 |
| kanzure | also, don't pay for a hotel in sf.. you can find someone to hang out with | 15:57 |
| yashgaroth | I've got an aunt/uncle in berkeley but that's quite far | 15:58 |
| kanzure | nah, there's going to be lots of locals attending | 15:58 |
| yashgaroth | one day I will learn your ways of frugality | 15:58 |
| kanzure | just always be asking yourself... "i'm cheap, but am i being cheap enough?" | 15:59 |
| yashgaroth | I'm jewish isn't that enough | 15:59 |
| kanzure | probably | 15:59 |
| yashgaroth | k I'll shoot him an email | 15:59 |
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| katsmeow-afk | https://www.weylandindustries.com/site/david | 17:18 |
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| Jora | hi there! | 18:10 |
| kanzure | hello. | 18:10 |
| nmz787 | hi | 18:18 |
| kanzure | hi. | 18:18 |
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| Cat4D | THIS IS THE END OF MICROSOFT!!!!! http://datak.ir/search?search_keyword=host | 19:18 |
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| @kanzure | da hell was that | 19:21 |
| JayDugger | A desperate cry for help. | 19:21 |
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| Cat4D | http://www.syriatel.sy/Sitemap/Home/tabid/38/Language/en-US/Default.aspx?req=chrome%20rendered%20this%20wrong,%20as%20did%20msie%20and%20firefox...%20bye%20bye%20obama | 19:27 |
| @kanzure | can you post those links somewhere else? | 19:29 |
| joshcryer | that looks like spam | 19:30 |
| @kanzure | it is spam | 19:31 |
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| delinquentme_ | HIO :D <3 | 19:32 |
| joshcryer | IRC spamming, haven't seen that in ages | 19:32 |
| delinquentme_ | >=| | 19:32 |
| joshcryer | Not you delinquentme_! :( | 19:33 |
| joshcryer | Should edit his link out of the logs. | 19:33 |
| Jora | hi delinquentme_ | 19:34 |
| delinquentme_ | heya Jora | 19:34 |
| @kanzure | gah why didn't javascript tell me where my syntax error was :( | 19:37 |
| Jora | hows it going? | 19:37 |
| @kanzure | that's not fair | 19:37 |
| diginet | wait | 19:38 |
| diginet | how did Cat4D become a spambot? | 19:38 |
| @kanzure | he's a 9/11 nut | 19:38 |
| @kanzure | (apparently) | 19:38 |
| delinquentme_ | do we have anyone who does circuit design? | 19:39 |
| @kanzure | yes we do | 19:39 |
| delinquentme_ | designers *8 hahah | 19:39 |
| delinquentme_ | http://www.instructables.com/id/Perfboard-Hackduino-Arduino-compatible-circuit/ << this thing looks simple | 19:40 |
| delinquentme_ | might be a decent project | 19:40 |
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| nmz787 | aww, i guess cat4d won't be helping with a beam combiner :P | 19:43 |
| ParahSailin | http://www.slapsale.com/item_desc.aspx?itemid=52680 hm not bad | 19:44 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: bid on that shiz | 19:45 |
| JayDugger | http://www.slapsale.com/item_desc.aspx?itemid=52529 | 19:46 |
| ParahSailin | no kanzure i call that | 19:46 |
| delinquentme_ | are we the only open source laser cutter channel on IRC :D? | 19:46 |
| * ParahSailin will take greyhound to austin and drive it back uhaul if necessary | 19:47 | |
| delinquentme_ | ( large format laser cutters ) | 19:48 |
| JayDugger | Hmmm...those projectors go for $750 new. | 19:49 |
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| @kanzure | nmz787: looking | 19:50 |
| @kanzure | an incubator? | 19:51 |
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| JayDugger | ParahSailin, will SlapSale notify registered users of new auctions? | 19:51 |
| ParahSailin | dunno | 19:52 |
| ParahSailin | kanzure, you have a truck? | 19:52 |
| JayDugger | Did you find the incubator by browsing their website? | 19:52 |
| @kanzure | i have trucks available | 19:52 |
| @kanzure | also this http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/the-embezzler.jpg | 19:52 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: ParahSailin: whoever gets it, it should be one of us, for <$100 def, <$200 still good but getting to the area of... i'm not sure when we'd use it (but i think it would still be a very good value to get at a good price) | 19:54 |
| nmz787 | unless of course it jumps to $500-1000 | 19:54 |
| @kanzure | why is this a good incubator | 19:54 |
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| ParahSailin | you dont have to worry about me not snapping it up if it stays at good price | 19:55 |
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| @kanzure | i'd be happy to buy if you tell me why | 19:55 |
| JayDugger | There exists another incubator on SlapSale. http://www.slapsale.com/item_desc.aspx?itemid=51909 | 19:56 |
| @kanzure | are good incubators expensive? | 19:56 |
| ParahSailin | i want it for my lab | 19:56 |
| delinquentme_ | needs the shit out of some fab equipment | 19:56 |
| ParahSailin | thats a co2 incubator | 19:56 |
| delinquentme_ | http://vimeo.com/35907501 | 19:56 |
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| JayDugger | If you say so. My knowledge of the tool fills a thimble. | 19:56 |
| @kanzure | brownies: you should complain about phdcomics in here | 19:58 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: yeah a good incubator, in good condition, can run $700-1000, depending on size, i'm not sure how price scales | 19:58 |
| nmz787 | but yeah they have water jackets sometimes to distribute heat evenly and CO2 inlets, maybe valves and controller/sensor for doing mammalian cells (use the CO2 as a pH modifier) | 19:58 |
| brownies | complain? | 19:59 |
| brownies | i'm still at the part where this is shockingly similar to my own life http://www.phdcomics.com/comics/archive.php?comicid=1496 | 19:59 |
| nmz787 | plus for $<100 is pretty cheap for any well engineered lab tool | 19:59 |
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| @kanzure | has anyone splurged for the phdcomics movie? | 19:59 |
| @kanzure | and/or seen a review | 20:00 |
| JayDugger | No, sorry. | 20:00 |
| nmz787 | thanks to IRC, i am happy with a working phone! | 20:02 |
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| JayDugger | Good night, everyone. | 20:02 |
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| @kanzure | boop so i guess i should go figure out how to bid | 20:05 |
| nmz787 | hah, i dont wanna start a bidding war between you and ParahSailin... he found it, lol, and if he needs it, it will prob go to use faster in his hands | 20:06 |
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| @kanzure | ParahSailin: let me know if you'd like me to pick it up | 20:09 |
| delinquentme_ | nmz787, have you talked with any of the people working on lasersaur? | 20:16 |
| delinquentme_ | they've got a pretty large CO2 laser | 20:16 |
| delinquentme_ | and they're in the process of finishing it up | 20:16 |
| nmz787 | nah | 20:18 |
| nmz787 | i think its pretty settled that we shouldn't use CO2 due to the diffraction limit and expense of optics | 20:18 |
| @kanzure | expense of optics was <$1k, it's fine.. | 20:19 |
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| nmz787 | its really the diffraction limit though getting the small spot | 20:22 |
| @kanzure | ParahSailin: let me know if you'd like me to pick it up | 20:24 |
| ParahSailin | sure, if i need you to help me out i can bank some of your fibroblasts or something | 20:25 |
| ParahSailin | ill see how auction goes | 20:25 |
| b_nicotina | Buena suerte | 20:30 |
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| Jora | what projects are you all working on | 20:35 |
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| @kanzure | Jora: GLOBAL WORLD DOMINATION | 20:42 |
| ParahSailin | i think the journal people are on to /r/scholar | 20:45 |
| @kanzure | why do you say that | 20:47 |
| ParahSailin | one guy said "in your inbox" in thread, but messaged me a filehosting link with a 0 byte file | 20:48 |
| @kanzure | he might just be a moron | 20:48 |
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| superkuh | It is too bad that that personal messages have taken over for public link posting in r/scholar. | 20:57 |
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| Jora | do any of you have a goal of getting into neural engineering as a pipe dream? | 20:58 |
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| @kanzure | Jora: no, not as a pipe dream.. just as established fact | 20:59 |
| @kanzure | superkuh: yes.. i wonder how we can prevent that. maybe a bot that posts after each "IT'S IN YOUR INBOX BRO" message with an explanation about why they are evil? | 20:59 |
| Jora | kanzure, you studying neuro? | 20:59 |
| @kanzure | Jora: yes a bit | 20:59 |
| Jora | Good for you :) | 20:59 |
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| @kanzure | some helpful python deployment links: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3879926 | 21:12 |
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| klafka1 | how do i check what class an instance belongs to in ruby? | 21:33 |
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| delinquentme_ | klafka, you can do Object.class | 21:42 |
| delinquentme_ | or Object.type | 21:42 |
| delinquentme_ | also Obect.inspect | 21:42 |
| delinquentme_ | Object.inspect | 21:42 |
| klafka1 | also how do you remove the last element from an array in ruby, foo.pop does not work like i thought | 21:42 |
| delinquentme_ | foo.delete | 21:43 |
| @kanzure | you might mean foo.shift | 21:43 |
| delinquentme_ | foo.chop | 21:43 |
| delinquentme_ | delete_at | 21:44 |
| klafka1 | chop doen't exist | 21:44 |
| delinquentme_ | a = [1,3,4,5] | 21:45 |
| delinquentme_ | a.delete_at(-1) #=> a = [1,3,4] | 21:45 |
| delinquentme_ | more! more! | 21:47 |
| @kanzure | you suck at ruby | 21:47 |
| klafka1 | oh i see | 21:47 |
| delinquentme_ | i love how wildly inexpensive commodity electronics are | 21:47 |
| delinquentme_ | kanzure, thats a horrible thing to say!!!!!!!!!!!! | 21:48 |
| delinquentme_ | klafka, just tell them the dude they turned down helped | 21:48 |
| delinquentme_ | :D | 21:48 |
| klafka1 | delinquentme they didn't turn you down because you couldn't code | 21:48 |
| @kanzure | eh? | 21:48 |
| delinquentme_ | this is true this is true | 21:49 |
| @kanzure | did delinquentme_ forget to fart properly at the end of his interview | 21:49 |
| Jora | farting always gets you the job | 21:49 |
| @kanzure | you have to play it right | 21:49 |
| delinquentme_ | " Pay me for a few weeks .. you know im overqualified! Itll work out for a little while then Ill find a better job later and leave you in a year .. but till be fun in the time between! | 21:49 |
| delinquentme_ | hah | 21:50 |
| Jora | the one thing you don't want to forget to do when you get the job is eat your toelint in the spirit of richard stallman | 21:50 |
| * delinquentme_ picks at belly button lint | 21:50 | |
| @kanzure | don't be hating on stallman | 21:50 |
| Jora | im not | 21:50 |
| Jora | the toelint is a frequently cited joke in another room i frequent | 21:50 |
| @kanzure | it's usually used as a personal attack against him | 21:51 |
| Jora | i dont have anything personal against that guy | 21:51 |
| delinquentme_ | its beautiful http://www.flickr.com/photos/stfnix/5713025807/in/photostream/lightbox/ | 21:51 |
| delinquentme_ | its simple | 21:51 |
| Jora | i was just thinking of gross stuff you could do on a job once the fart gets you the interview | 21:52 |
| delinquentme_ | and effective | 21:52 |
| delinquentme_ | kanzure, in 2 years | 21:52 |
| delinquentme_ | CHEERS | 21:52 |
| delinquentme_ | to having all the toys we could possibly need for devious fabs | 21:52 |
| Jora | cool device | 21:52 |
| @kanzure | delinquentme_: i'm pretty sure we already have all the tools we need | 21:52 |
| Jora | are you also an offline group of people that meets and tinkers? | 21:52 |
| @kanzure | sort of. | 21:53 |
| klafka1 | meh | 21:53 |
| delinquentme_ | almost | 21:53 |
| @kanzure | klafka1: i'm going to be in sf in june, btw | 21:53 |
| delinquentme_ | working on it | 21:53 |
| @kanzure | klafka1: don't let me miss you | 21:53 |
| klafka1 | nice | 21:53 |
| klafka1 | o | 21:53 |
| klafka1 | k | 21:53 |
| @kanzure | for the diybio/fbi thing | 21:53 |
| klafka1 | NOT TO BE MISSED | 21:53 |
| klafka1 | me | 21:53 |
| @kanzure | i may or may not be escorted by federal agents | 21:53 |
| klafka1 | hmm interesting | 21:53 |
| delinquentme_ | yeah how do you get the gov to buy you shit | 21:53 |
| klafka1 | kanzure so i've immediately ran into one of those 4hr algorithms | 21:56 |
| klafka1 | fyi | 21:56 |
| @kanzure | hmm | 21:56 |
| @kanzure | solution: delete all your data | 21:56 |
| klafka1 | actually this is just approximately 4hrs for oen small section of our data | 21:56 |
| klafka1 | it's also not multithreaded atm | 21:56 |
| @kanzure | i'd be interested in seeing implementations of your stochastic gradient descent thing | 21:56 |
| klafka1 | sure | 21:57 |
| klafka1 | this implementation i think sucks though | 21:58 |
| klafka1 | i'm looking at what's taking CPU and i'm thrashing redis | 21:59 |
| klafka1 | what would a C thread running from ruby look like in my processes ? | 21:59 |
| @kanzure | do you mean starting a subprocess? | 22:00 |
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| @kanzure | you could compile a shared object, and include that into your ruby project | 22:00 |
| @kanzure | then you can call your method from ruby | 22:00 |
| klafka1 | not really sure. i'm looking at their stuff it seems like they have some compiled .c libs | 22:00 |
| klafka1 | i'm trying to assess what that process would be called | 22:00 |
| @kanzure | this is similar to importing a .so library in python or .dll if you're on windows | 22:00 |
| klafka1 | yep | 22:00 |
| delinquentme_ | kanzure, should I voluntarily contact this FBI dude | 22:05 |
| delinquentme_ | or would you care to dish and help me out | 22:05 |
| delinquentme_ | ? | 22:05 |
| @kanzure | delinquentme_: on what topic? | 22:05 |
| delinquentme_ | the free shit summit | 22:05 |
| delinquentme_ | food flight fun | 22:05 |
| @kanzure | where do you currently live? | 22:06 |
| delinquentme_ | pittsburgh | 22:06 |
| Jora | free shit summit? | 22:07 |
| Jora | is there a link to a website about it ? | 22:07 |
| delinquentme_ | gov handouds | 22:07 |
| delinquentme_ | http://www.flickr.com/photos/stfnix/5509388763/sizes/l/in/photostream/ | 22:07 |
| delinquentme_ | gcode tools! | 22:07 |
| @kanzure | delinquentme_: ok. i'll send out an email and see if they have pitt represented | 22:08 |
| delinquentme_ | cool | 22:08 |
| delinquentme_ | thanks a million | 22:08 |
| @kanzure | sent.. | 22:09 |
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| ybit | superkuh, kanzure: rather a bot, that says "i want that too" | 22:12 |
| * ybit sleeps | 22:12 | |
| superkuh | I've been sending the requesters pm's asking for them to pass it forward. | 22:13 |
| @kanzure | yeah sounds like the job for a bot | 22:14 |
| @kanzure | https://github.com/AndreasDamgaardPedersen/Reddit-Bots | 22:14 |
| @kanzure | eh that's a horrible implementation | 22:15 |
| @kanzure | https://code.google.com/p/bf-bot/ | 22:15 |
| @kanzure | java :( | 22:15 |
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| @kanzure | delinquentme_: ok he replied | 22:23 |
| @kanzure | they are flying in 40 people max | 22:23 |
| delinquentme_ | yeh I shot him an email back | 22:23 |
| delinquentme_ | whatever works out | 22:23 |
| delinquentme_ | FBI & google are buddied up right? | 22:24 |
| @kanzure | i don't see it | 22:24 |
| delinquentme_ | anyone know how deep that relationship is? | 22:24 |
| delinquentme_ | oh I must not have replied all | 22:24 |
| delinquentme_ | standard affair: Thanks for the heads up on the head counts. I'm certainly boot strapped for cash at this time so thats a huge constraint. However its good to know that you guys are down in the trenches working with us. | 22:25 |
| @kanzure | haha | 22:25 |
| @kanzure | joseph is not fbi | 22:25 |
| @kanzure | he's from biocurious and runs open science summit | 22:25 |
| delinquentme_ | oh | 22:25 |
| delinquentme_ | derrrr | 22:26 |
| delinquentme_ | oh well nm then | 22:26 |
| delinquentme_ | ill stay home its cool :D | 22:26 |
| delinquentme_ | OHHH its f | 22:26 |
| delinquentme_ | hahah ok ok yeahhh we've met | 22:26 |
| delinquentme_ | alright im out all | 22:27 |
| delinquentme_ | tooduls | 22:27 |
| katsmeow-afk | wow, Tony Pearson has recommended me to a NewScientist writer for an article about homebrew Ai/bots | 22:28 |
| @kanzure | which bots aren't homebrew | 22:29 |
| katsmeow-afk | Tony Pearson did the memory/storage array system for IBM's Watson as appeared on Jeopardy | 22:29 |
| @kanzure | hmm well just remember, if the reporter asks "are you a genius?" just smile | 22:29 |
| katsmeow-afk | right | 22:30 |
| delinquentme_ | katsmeow-afk, thats awesome ! | 22:30 |
| delinquentme_ | grats :D | 22:30 |
| yashgaroth | smile maniacally* | 22:30 |
| delinquentme_ | but yeah i gotta go :D | 22:30 |
| delinquentme_ | yash hows the cat in the comp !? | 22:30 |
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| yashgaroth | it's...oh | 22:30 |
| yashgaroth | so kanz if I pay my own travel and hotel you think they'd let me in anyway? | 22:31 |
| yashgaroth | joejack hasn't gotten back to me and it's been 6 hours | 22:31 |
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| @kanzure | yashgaroth: yes, his latest email indicates as such | 22:32 |
| @kanzure | you are okay to send him a follow-up now saying that you can pay | 22:32 |
| @kanzure | *can pay your way | 22:32 |
| yashgaroth | yeah I think I will, cuz seriously when else will everyone be in one place | 22:32 |
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| @kanzure | yashgaroth: also, he's holding a hackathon thing for two days after the event | 22:34 |
| @kanzure | so you should stick around for that | 22:34 |
| yashgaroth | at the least, but if I can get into the conference it would be nice | 22:34 |
| yashgaroth | don't exactly want to crash an FBI-sponsored event, they might get all weird | 22:34 |
| katsmeow-afk | it would highlite your abilities ;-) | 22:35 |
| yashgaroth | then I'll do my presentation on how america is satan, should get me off the hook | 22:36 |
| katsmeow-afk | dedication to the message! | 22:36 |
| yashgaroth | *great* satan though, not just your run of the mill lucifer | 22:37 |
| * kanzure sleepz | 22:38 | |
| nmz787 | nighty nighty | 22:53 |
| Mokbortolan_ | is hemopure safe? | 22:53 |
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| yashgaroth | if you're about to die from blood loss, sure | 22:56 |
| Mokbortolan_ | doesn't appear to be wonderfully safe, after investigation | 23:07 |
| Mokbortolan_ | maybe if they put it inside nanospheres | 23:08 |
| Mokbortolan_ | donut shaped ones :p | 23:08 |
| yashgaroth | maybe | 23:12 |
| Mariu | has any of you guys ever noticed the Entoptic Field ? | 23:13 |
| yashgaroth | yes | 23:14 |
| Mariu | you have ? | 23:14 |
| yashgaroth | (after look up the term) | 23:14 |
| yashgaroth | sure, white blood cells and floaty bits in the eye | 23:14 |
| Mariu | nope, it's not that | 23:15 |
| Mariu | those are just mere floaters | 23:15 |
| nmz787 | i've always been able to see floaters, as long as i can remember | 23:15 |
| Mariu | it's not floaters guys | 23:15 |
| Mariu | it's some sort of movements converging on your focal point | 23:15 |
| yashgaroth | well there's the white blood cells also, like when you stand up too fast | 23:15 |
| Mokbortolan_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8V4K_GX4Co | 23:15 |
| Mokbortolan_ | Yeah! | 23:15 |
| Mokbortolan_ | that's where it's at | 23:15 |
| yashgaroth | tiny spheres shooting around your vision? | 23:15 |
| Mariu | not tiny | 23:16 |
| Mokbortolan_ | unborn baby blood | 23:16 |
| yashgaroth | well small | 23:16 |
| yashgaroth | or just paying people to give blood like they did back in the day | 23:16 |
| yashgaroth | "are you a junkie?" "no" "ok give us some blood" | 23:16 |
| Mariu | yashgaroth: The Entoptic Field is some sort of shapes that they ecmopass all of your of your vision field, like some ovoid waves ... and converg in the same reoccurence movement pattern on your focal point | 23:17 |
| Mariu | they usually get noticed after you do excercise, or walk outside and look at the sky | 23:17 |
| Mariu | they usually get noticed after you do excercise and walk outside and look at the sky | 23:17 |
| Mariu | floaters are totally different thing | 23:18 |
| yashgaroth | uh I think that's still cells in your capillaries | 23:18 |
| yashgaroth | not floaters | 23:18 |
| Mariu | ah, okay | 23:18 |
| yashgaroth | red blood cells are ignored by your neurons, but white blood cells still appear | 23:18 |
| Mokbortolan_ | the current blood donor program is a great way to spread novel pathogens | 23:19 |
| yashgaroth | that's just them flowing through the capillaries above your retina, because evolution is dumb and put blood capillaries in front of the retina | 23:19 |
| yashgaroth | it's easy to test for blood pathogens, unless they're prions | 23:19 |
| Mokbortolan_ | or weird in some other way | 23:19 |
| yashgaroth | ehh if they're savvy enough to avoid detection, they deserve a go | 23:19 |
| Mariu | yashgaroth: well, they are not tiny spheres as you described them ... rather then greyw wave like ovoidic shaped that have the same movement speed and direct and pattern, and converge on your focal point | 23:21 |
| Mariu | that's what I see | 23:21 |
| Mariu | *direction | 23:21 |
| Mariu | *grey | 23:21 |
| yashgaroth | they'll seem like they converge on your focal point, since the eye only really detect stuff in the center of vision | 23:21 |
| Mariu | gotcha | 23:21 |
| yashgaroth | and they can be ovoid since they're flexible | 23:22 |
| nmz787 | i def notice my vision pulse, especially when i make rash traffic decisions that get my adrenaline up a bit | 23:22 |
| Mariu | for example, this year I discovered that if look at a bird, you could compare what I see with targeting sits zeroing in on a target (the bird that I was looking in my case) | 23:22 |
| Mariu | *sights | 23:23 |
| yashgaroth | yeah the eye has a lot of tricks to make you think it's actually seeing more than it does | 23:23 |
| Mariu | got it | 23:24 |
| nmz787 | i always liked pressing my eyes when i was young | 23:24 |
| Mariu | same here :p | 23:24 |
| nmz787 | it hurt a bit, but always looked like the starfield screensaver | 23:25 |
| Mariu | ^^ | 23:25 |
| nmz787 | cooler, then with some streaks of color eventually | 23:25 |
| nmz787 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphene | 23:25 |
| nmz787 | this seems a little weak http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S030326470800035X | 23:28 |
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| nmz787 | maybe not, http://www.scribd.com/doc/90942005/1-s2-0-S030326470800035X-main | 23:30 |
| nmz787 | i dunno, can't read now, too tired | 23:31 |
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