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| fenn | go to a science talk instead | 00:00 |
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| Adifex | hello! and welcome to our party. | 00:18 |
| Adifex | merry christmas from Chiron Beta Prime. | 00:19 |
| Adifex | would you like a complimentary virtual drink? | 00:19 |
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| Mariu | ... | 00:29 |
| delinquentme | lolol | 00:30 |
| delinquentme | i wish i would have caught that guy! | 00:30 |
| Mariu | :p | 00:30 |
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| Mariu | later everyone | 02:11 |
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| ParahSailin | fuck i think my ac is mold infested | 06:01 |
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| @kanzure | nmz787: hi | 08:10 |
| @kanzure | us national bioeconomy blueprint http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/microsites/ostp/national_bioeconomy_blueprint_april_2012.pdf | 08:11 |
| @kanzure | executive summary http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/microsites/ostp/national_bioeconomy_blueprint_exec_sum_april_2012.pdf | 08:11 |
| @kanzure | fact sheet http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/microsites/ostp/bioeconomy_fact_sheet_april_26_2012_0.pdf | 08:11 |
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| @kanzure | gee that summary is really lacking | 08:15 |
| @kanzure | "ok guys do more SBIR" | 08:15 |
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| @kanzure | eh okay, "and an improved FDA medical device pipeline" might be useful | 08:18 |
| @kanzure | http://www.labautopedia.com/mw/index.php/Main_Page | 08:21 |
| @kanzure | looks like a lab automation wiki? | 08:21 |
| nmz787__ | Hi, getting ready for class, cant really talk | 08:21 |
| @kanzure | looks spammed: | 08:21 |
| @kanzure | http://www.labautopedia.com/mw/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&days=3000&limit=500&hideminor=0 | 08:21 |
| @kanzure | someone should hook up mediawiki to akismet and the other anti-spam services | 08:22 |
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| ParahSailin | well i won that co2 incubator | 09:26 |
| AlonzoTG | om | 09:32 |
| @kanzure | ParahSailin: how much | 09:32 |
| ParahSailin | 30 | 09:32 |
| @kanzure | heh | 09:32 |
| ParahSailin | only bidder | 09:32 |
| @kanzure | right then.. | 09:32 |
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| ParahSailin | so it looks like ill be driving up to austin | 09:33 |
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| @kanzure | ParahSailin: we should hang out | 09:34 |
| ParahSailin | i dunno how much ups or other logistics would be | 09:34 |
| ParahSailin | yeah | 09:34 |
| @kanzure | if you need a place to stay a night let me know | 09:34 |
| ParahSailin | gf says "can we do that trip later" | 09:35 |
| ParahSailin | lol | 09:35 |
| ParahSailin | brb | 09:37 |
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| @kanzure | hi Mikoangelo | 10:03 |
| Mikoangelo | Why hello there! Nice to meet you. | 10:05 |
| Mikoangelo | You're the heybryan.org guy! I found this channel on that very site. | 10:06 |
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| ENKI-][ | >.< | 10:10 |
| nmz787 | ParahSailin: nice price! | 10:10 |
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| ParahSailin | _F7_, http://www.slapsale.com/item_desc.aspx?itemid=52680 i nabbed this guy | 10:21 |
| _F7_ | Sweet! | 10:22 |
| _F7_ | I have two you know | 10:22 |
| ParahSailin | oh kanzure looks like the pickup days have to be may 2 or 3 | 10:22 |
| ParahSailin | ah, you got on slapsale? | 10:22 |
| ParahSailin | so these usually are fully functional but sold out of compliance with some arbitrary date? | 10:23 |
| _F7_ | Exactly | 10:24 |
| _F7_ | These generally don't break | 10:25 |
| _F7_ | no moving parts | 10:26 |
| ParahSailin | how much did you nab yours for | 10:27 |
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| @kanzure | huh google is selling sketchup | 10:33 |
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| @kanzure | http://sketchupdate.blogspot.com/2012/04/new-home-for-sketchup.html | 10:33 |
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| _F7_ | I got two of those water jacketed CO2 gas injection capable incubators with humidity controls for the 30 dollar minimum bid | 10:53 |
| _F7_ | one lot, matched set | 10:54 |
| _F7_ | There was another lot with two pairs of double-stack incubators but it was decided we didn't have room | 10:54 |
| _Sketch_ | Ack. Can I still get Sketchup for free? | 10:55 |
| _F7_ | Should be able to | 10:56 |
| _F7_ | yup, free | 10:57 |
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| _Sketch_ | I downloaded Sketchup, for I am paranoid for the future. ;) | 13:56 |
| _Sketch_ | Anybody ever ordered anything from enOcean? I'm looking for environmentally-powered wireless sensors. | 13:58 |
| _Sketch_ | I'm worried nothing -useful- can be powered by stray radio signals and heat. :P | 14:00 |
| katsmeow-afk | there's other forms of energy than heat and stray radio signals | 14:00 |
| _Sketch_ | Ah, solar too. Solar might be enough, even in the shade.. | 14:02 |
| * katsmeow-afk might snag a tuna and drag a windmill behind | 14:04 | |
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| _Sketch_ | Haha. | 14:04 |
| katsmeow-afk | tuna do some serious traveling at very high speeds | 14:07 |
| katsmeow-afk | if you could only steer them | 14:07 |
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| @kanzure | yet another 3d printer http://www.solidoodle.com/ looks like sam cervantes used to be COO of makerbot | 14:28 |
| Mokbortolan_ | huh | 14:29 |
| Mokbortolan_ | I wonder why he split off | 14:29 |
| @kanzure | zach/bre might not be the easiest duo to work with | 14:29 |
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| nmz787 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_ray_visual_phenomena | 16:29 |
| chris_99 | i've had white flashes here on earth ;) | 16:34 |
| ThomasEgi | hm. i occasionally observe like.. swarms of multicolored fireflies. it looks very pretty. doesnt last long tho. only like 3 to 10 seconds at most | 16:35 |
| chris_99 | multicolored? | 16:35 |
| ThomasEgi | not related to any rays. still fun | 16:35 |
| ThomasEgi | yeah | 16:35 |
| chris_99 | hmm not had that | 16:35 |
| ThomasEgi | like. beeing surrounded by several hunrdet fireflies | 16:36 |
| ThomasEgi | each with its own color | 16:36 |
| chris_99 | sounds cool | 16:36 |
| ThomasEgi | have it like twiche a year or so. | 16:36 |
| ThomasEgi | usualy when i was sitting in an odd way and streching my arms afterwards | 16:36 |
| chris_99 | i can see the blood vessels in my eye | 16:36 |
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| ThomasEgi | now that's odd | 16:37 |
| chris_99 | which looks kind of trippy heh | 16:37 |
| chris_99 | it's called Purkinje tree http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entoptic_phenomenon | 16:38 |
| ThomasEgi | ah. anyway. i gotta sleep. had only 3 hours of rest in the last 36 hours or so | 16:38 |
| chris_99 | toodles | 16:38 |
| nmz787 | so trying to find out about biology and radio | 16:40 |
| nmz787 | supposed to write an essay for this history of radio class | 16:40 |
| nmz787 | didn't want to write about advertising or old programming | 16:40 |
| nmz787 | but most bio stuff isn't relating RF EMI... its a lot with RF electric fields (i.e. electrodes in the growth solution) | 16:41 |
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| nmz787 | one thing about "biological radio" which is like some cold war russian doc... mentions wavelengths of 8-14 microns | 16:41 |
| nmz787 | but that's not RF, its IR | 16:42 |
| nmz787 | so telepathy in their view, isn't radio, its IR... which pretty much means line-of-sight and not too long distance | 16:42 |
| nmz787 | which is still cool if provable | 16:42 |
| @kanzure | soviet telepathy tech was line-of-sight only? got it. | 16:43 |
| nmz787 | they keep mentioning biological antenna structures | 16:43 |
| nmz787 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacinian_corpuscle | 16:43 |
| nmz787 | that one is a fav of theirs | 16:43 |
| nmz787 | and the pineal gland is brought up as well | 16:43 |
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| nmz787 | which is interesting because the pineal is linked to psychedelic experiences, which often involve communication with other beings whether earthly or universal | 16:44 |
| diginet | you don't actually believe any of that exists do you? | 16:45 |
| nmz787 | i don't believe its proven, but i do believe its possible | 16:46 |
| @kanzure | well, i believe the pineal gland exists | 16:46 |
| nmz787 | i wouldn't be surprised, only because i could stick a cell phone transceiver in my head and it would fit | 16:47 |
| nmz787 | so why wouldn't this already be exploited in evolution | 16:47 |
| nmz787 | i think it takes less energy to text than it does speak | 16:47 |
| nmz787 | (in terms of transmission) | 16:48 |
| @kanzure | you might want to do the math on that.. the amount of energy required to generate clear signals vs. amount of energy on-hand with typical biochemistry | 16:48 |
| nmz787 | RF is just EMI, and we obviously have EMI receptors and emitters (rhodopsin and eyes, luciferase) | 16:48 |
| nmz787 | but thats THz, not KHz... which is what I need to talk about to meet the req for this paper | 16:49 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: not sure where I would start with that calc | 16:50 |
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| nmz787 | but it would be good to have on this paper... I might end up talking about how there isn't any clear link to any decent science | 16:50 |
| katsmeow-afk | didn't someone do a "blood glucose to electricity convertor" already? | 16:50 |
| ParahSailin | an rf photon would be vibrational noise on a protein | 16:51 |
| ParahSailin | there isnt any sort of protein we know of that can accumulate those photons to make a coherent anything | 16:51 |
| katsmeow-afk | shakey protons,, you can tuna protien, but you can't tune a fish | 16:51 |
| katsmeow-afk | arg | 16:52 |
| nmz787 | ParahSailin: well thats what i'm looking for | 16:52 |
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| ParahSailin | such a thing would be difficult by natural evolution i think | 16:52 |
| nmz787 | i haven't found any clear documentation on what the molecular/atomic effect of RF EMI is | 16:53 |
| nmz787 | some things mention thermal and non-thermal effects | 16:53 |
| ParahSailin | but if wires can do it, i suppose it's probably physically possible to do with proteins | 16:53 |
| katsmeow-afk | stupid thought: are you using your sclera for anything, nmz787? | 16:53 |
| @kanzure | ParahSailin: or longer proteins | 16:53 |
| nmz787 | sclera? | 16:53 |
| katsmeow-afk | white of the eye | 16:53 |
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| ParahSailin | i think melanins would be good antennae | 16:53 |
| ParahSailin | you can have conductive melanins | 16:54 |
| katsmeow-afk | you have two of them, situated high, nothing behind them for a few cm, you could install things | 16:54 |
| nmz787 | ahh | 16:54 |
| nmz787 | they might already be used for a bioradio waveguide, lol | 16:54 |
| @kanzure | nmz787: i think the trick would be to construct some model of how it might be possible with proteins, | 16:55 |
| katsmeow-afk | if you're great with small stuff, put the entire reciever and display unit there | 16:55 |
| nmz787 | i'm not even sure how you could probe cells for radio signals | 16:55 |
| @kanzure | plus what amount of energies are necessary, | 16:55 |
| @kanzure | then you can go BLAST your way through some petabytes of data | 16:55 |
| @kanzure | and see if anything matches. | 16:55 |
| nmz787 | or set up a directed evolution/growth experiment.... scan freq spectrum, and only subculture cells that give off a freq response | 16:56 |
| nmz787 | or cells that absorb a certain freq | 16:56 |
| nmz787 | place an RF source on top of microwell plate, subculture the well that absorbs best | 16:57 |
| katsmeow-afk | easy: quartz can be made physically resonant based on size, and some nematodes and frogs have silica spicules, and silica is what quartz is made of,, i DO expect royalties,, or at least my own implats, thankyou | 16:57 |
| nmz787 | the examples in this russian thing are kinda out there tho, one is of a guy who calmed a lion that no trainer could calm | 16:58 |
| katsmeow-afk | some sqponges do too, and i imagine you guys can make genes to do that in anything | 16:58 |
| nmz787 | and in another example they cut the head off a grasshopper, took out its guts and soaked it in physiological buffer, and noted that anytime a man left the guts and returned, the guts would be found to slowly pulse but quicken after the man approached and remained near | 16:59 |
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| katsmeow-afk | triggered by pheremones, i'll bet | 17:00 |
| nmz787 | and that if the man went away from the quickly pulsing guts, upon return they would be slowly pulsing again | 17:00 |
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| nmz787 | lol, they say its triggered by bio-radiation... hah | 17:00 |
| nmz787 | but that would literally just be any EMI created by nerves firing | 17:01 |
| nmz787 | but it doesn't mention possible frequencies or wavelenghts | 17:01 |
| katsmeow-afk | so using tuned quartz resonators (the genetically grown silica spicules) to recieve and convert rf to means of physically operating nerve cells,, bad idea? | 17:03 |
| nmz787 | i guess depends on the crystal size needed | 17:04 |
| nmz787 | thats why i;m trying to look to what evolution may have already done | 17:04 |
| katsmeow-afk | that depends on the mechanical movement needed and the rf frequency | 17:04 |
| nmz787 | i.e. yeah silica crystals and proteins that deposit silica are known | 17:04 |
| nmz787 | i.e. silicatein | 17:05 |
| katsmeow-afk | ok | 17:05 |
| katsmeow-afk | i believe somene did a crystal-to-rotary nanomotor somewhere | 17:06 |
| katsmeow-afk | not that you'd want to copy that directly as a means to detect rf | 17:06 |
| nmz787 | i wonder how much the crystal changes in size when it vibrates | 17:08 |
| katsmeow-afk | depends on a few things, intensity, thinness (flexability) of the crystal, etc | 17:09 |
| nmz787 | nanometers of movement or more? | 17:10 |
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| @kanzure | http://netmorph.org/ | 17:11 |
| katsmeow-afk | for instance, crystal phono carts took a lot of movement, so do piezo tweeters, and iirc you can see the waveforms imposed on a SAW filter as it mechanically transmits a low freq rf signal on it's face | 17:11 |
| @kanzure | "NETMORPH is a simulation environment for the developmental generation of 3D large-scale neuronal networks with realistic neuron morphologies. In NETMORPH, neuronal morphogenesis is simulated from the perspective of the individual growth cone." | 17:11 |
| @kanzure | "For each growth cone in a growing axonal or dendritic tree, its actions of elongation, branching and turning are described in a stochastic, phenomenological manner. In this way, neurons with realistic axonal and dendritic morphologies, including neurite curvature, can be generated. Synapses are formed as neurons grow out and axonal and dendritic branches come in close proximity of each other." | 17:11 |
| nmz787 | nm would be the region for what a protein would probably tolerate | 17:11 |
| @kanzure | "NETMORPH is the result of the joint efforts of Randal A. Koene, Betty Tijms, Peter van Hees, Frank Postma, Sander de Ridder, Sacha Hoedemaker, Jaap van Pelt and Arjen van Ooyen of the Neuroinformatics Group at the Department of Integrative Neurophysiology, Center for Neurogenomics and Cognitive Research, VU University Amsterdam, Amsterdam, the Netherlands. " | 17:11 |
| katsmeow-afk | for instance, crystal phono carts took a lot of movement, so do piezo tweeters, and iirc you can see the waveforms imposed on a SAW filter as it mechanically transmits a low freq rf signal on it's face | 17:11 |
| katsmeow-afk | arg | 17:11 |
| @kanzure | A Framework for the Stochastic Generation of Large Scale Neuronal Networks With Realistic Neuron Morphologies, Neuroinformatics, 7(3), pp.195-210, doi: 10.1007/s12021-009-9052-3 | 17:11 |
| @kanzure | http://www.netmorph.org/documents-1/koene.NETMORPH.Neuroinformatics-7-2009-195-210.pdf?attredirects=0 | 17:11 |
| @kanzure | installation: http://www.netmorph.org/netmorph-core-files | 17:12 |
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| @kanzure | superkuh: have you played with that? | 17:12 |
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| nmz787 | then there's this, but I don't know what permittivity and conductivity mean http://niremf.ifac.cnr.it/docs/DIELECTRIC/AppendixC.html#C01 | 17:12 |
| @kanzure | what i assume is either binary or source code: http://www.netmorph.org/netmorph-core-files/netmorph-20090224.1225.tar.gz?attredirects=0&d=1 | 17:13 |
| @kanzure | what i assume is a manual: http://www.netmorph.org/netmorph-core-files/NETMORPH-manual_5Mar09.pdf?attredirects=0&d=1 | 17:13 |
| @kanzure | oh neat.. yep. source code and it's GPL | 17:15 |
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| @kanzure | vid: http://www.netmorph.org/Home/examples/3layers.mov | 17:17 |
| @kanzure | mirror: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/netmorph/ | 17:18 |
| nmz787 | this russian text also says that c. ross in the 1920's suspended a single silk thread and attached a coil of think wire hanging from it, there was another metal piece hanging from the end of the thread as well (not sure what it looked like).... and supposedly a man's gaze made the spiral deflect up to 60 degrees | 17:20 |
| nmz787 | btw russian text linked from http://oai.dtic.mil/oai/oai?verb=getRecord&metadataPrefix=html&identifier=AD0415676 | 17:20 |
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| katsmeow-afk | heck of a threat to make , turning someone's metal threads that are hanging from threads by 60 degrees | 17:22 |
| nmz787 | oh yeah | 17:22 |
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| @kanzure | and for those of you who prefer youtube.. http://youtube.com/watch?v=HapNmklPv0k http://youtube.com/watch?v=GnH_zJ5bDOQ i've mirrored them here too | 17:24 |
| nmz787 | this is, again, wrong freq range http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_auditory_effect | 17:25 |
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| nmz787 | kanzure: why do you have that video of joe? | 17:29 |
| @kanzure | hahaha he tried to get rid of it from the interwebs | 17:29 |
| @kanzure | he used to have it on his facebook profile | 17:29 |
| nmz787 | lol | 17:29 |
| nmz787 | god | 17:29 |
| @kanzure | Internet never forgets | 17:29 |
| nmz787 | i just watched 1/2 of it | 17:29 |
| @kanzure | lolz.. sorry dude | 17:30 |
| yashgaroth | hahahahaha whaaaat | 17:30 |
| nmz787 | thats yashgaroth's goal, only instead of 1hr a day at gym, painful electroinjections | 17:31 |
| yashgaroth | pretty much | 17:31 |
| nmz787 | lol | 17:31 |
| nmz787 | oh, i'll take this lazy ass way out... even if its 1000X more painful | 17:31 |
| nmz787 | lolo | 17:31 |
| nmz787 | so hacker | 17:31 |
| nmz787 | hah | 17:31 |
| yashgaroth | lifting weights like a primitive, hah | 17:32 |
| nmz787 | :P | 17:33 |
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| yashgaroth | I wouldn't say it'd necessarily be super-painful | 17:33 |
| yashgaroth | less painful than that video was to watch, I'll guarantee that | 17:34 |
| nmz787 | seems pretty good | 17:35 |
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| fenn | well i wonder if i should go to hardwarestartupsf or do cad | 17:42 |
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| fenn | i kinda hate how openscad is completely "functional", i.e. not imperative at all | 17:43 |
| fenn | trying to figure out how to call an if statement on translate() | 17:44 |
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| fenn | it leads to either a lot of duplicated code or unnecessary "variables" | 17:45 |
| @kanzure | i find these scripts questionable | 17:46 |
| @kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/netmorph/Fig.8B_LowerL2-3_Pyr_Markram_6.txt | 17:46 |
| @kanzure | "# DENDRITE PARAMETER DEFINITIONS (from final4.txt)" as opposed to.. finalTHEREALFINAL.txt | 17:47 |
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| katsmeow-afk | 3D wireframe design gone overboard : http://www.toxel.com/inspiration/2012/03/19/3d-wire-sculptures/ | 17:59 |
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| @kanzure | jrayhawk: i logged back in and i still can't push to the git repo i just created with 'newrepo' | 18:08 |
| @kanzure | fatal: Unable to create '/srv/git/netmorph.git/refs/heads/master.lock': Permission denied | 18:08 |
| @kanzure | i seem to be able to push over ssh, however.. | 18:08 |
| @kanzure | on a related note.. | 18:09 |
| @kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/cgit/netmorph/ | 18:09 |
| @kanzure | http://github.com/kanzure/netmorph | 18:11 |
| jrayhawk | Your screen session doesn't magically acquire new gids, i am afraid | 18:15 |
| jrayhawk | Only root can hand those out. | 18:16 |
| jrayhawk | That happens at login time. | 18:16 |
| @kanzure | lame | 18:17 |
| fenn | if piny has docs, seems like that's a relevant thing to add to the docs | 18:18 |
| fenn | ah there are man pages for the individual commands | 18:19 |
| fenn | but no 'man piny' | 18:19 |
| jrayhawk | Yeah, I'm a jerk that way. | 18:20 |
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| fenn | so much enthusiasm for openscad, but it's really sub-par | 18:23 |
| fenn | i can't figure out how to duplicate the center=true behavior of primitives for modules, because variables aren't really variables | 18:24 |
| @kanzure | openscad is pretty terrible.. all the enthusiasm is the makerbot crowd i think | 18:24 |
| fenn | and translate can't be called except as part of a tree | 18:24 |
| @kanzure | have you considered trying cadmium, pyopenscad, openscadpy or jsopenscad or csg.js? | 18:24 |
| fenn | um | 18:25 |
| fenn | could you summarize those in like 1 line each? | 18:25 |
| fenn | like what's the difference between pyopenscad and openscadpy | 18:25 |
| @kanzure | cadmium: opencascade+python again https://github.com/jayesh3/cadmium | 18:26 |
| @kanzure | openjscad: webgl / openscad-related http://joostn.github.com/OpenJsCad/ | 18:26 |
| @kanzure | "This is intended to become a Javascript based alternative to OpenSCAD, for 3D solid modeling" | 18:26 |
| fenn | cadmium is just pythonocc? wtf | 18:26 |
| @kanzure | pyopenscad: www.thingiverse.com/download:3976 | 18:26 |
| @kanzure | openscadpy: https://github.com/hmeyer/openscadpy "OpenSCADPy is a fork of OpenSCAD, a software for creating solid 3D CAD objects. OpenSCADPy uses Python instead of OpenSCADs intrinsic language to model objects" | 18:27 |
| @kanzure | i have also backed up pyopenscad here: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/pyopenscad.py blame goes to Philipp Tiefenbacher <wizards23@gmail.com> | 18:28 |
| fenn | pyopenscad.py is woefully incomplete | 18:31 |
| @kanzure | check the other one :P | 18:31 |
| fenn | openscadpy is a totally different beast | 18:32 |
| fenn | pyopenscad.py is a simple wrapper around calling scad commands, whereas openscadpy completely reworks openscad itself to use python as the scripting language | 18:33 |
| @kanzure | correct | 18:33 |
| * fenn crawls under a rock | 18:34 | |
| fenn | go away, world | 18:34 |
| @kanzure | pyopenscad.py strikes me as being a lot like neil's cad.py thing http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/cad.py | 18:34 |
| @kanzure | i mean.. just using simple string manipulation instead of actual programming | 18:35 |
| fenn | yeah it's a weird way to program | 18:36 |
| @kanzure | memory lane: https://bitbucket.org/graphsynth/graphsynth/changesets | 18:38 |
| @kanzure | wait.. why are there only 23 commits | 18:38 |
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| @kanzure | http://jeanphix.me/Ghost.py/ "ghost.py is a webkit web client written in python" | 18:48 |
| @kanzure | hrm.. it's sorta weird. looks like it's meant for behavior-driven stuff, rather than just interacting with some python reference to the webkit instance | 18:49 |
| @kanzure | https://github.com/niklasb/dryscrape/blob/master/examples/google.py that's not quite how i'd choose to do it O.o | 18:50 |
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| fenn | foo.set(bar) is very un-pythonic | 18:58 |
| @kanzure | yes but also compare that pile of code to, say, the coffeescript 'framework' (spiderghost) i wrote yesterday | 18:59 |
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| @kanzure | https://gist.github.com/25a38b9c5df048dcec4a | 18:59 |
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| @kanzure | note the methods on class HomePage | 18:59 |
| @kanzure | i guess HomePage is a generically bad example for scraping data from things heh | 18:59 |
| fenn | documentation goes here | 19:01 |
| @kanzure | this is why it's in a pastebin and not a formal thing yet :P | 19:02 |
| fenn | class HomePage extends HackerNewsPage ? | 19:02 |
| @kanzure | correct.. let's say you are scraping amazon | 19:02 |
| @kanzure | amazon has many types of pages that each need to be treated differently | 19:03 |
| @kanzure | but they all have the same base_url and they probably all share some common methods | 19:03 |
| @kanzure | instead of there being some 'main session' you let each page instance have its own little controller | 19:06 |
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| @kanzure | delinquentme: you should use this http://www.jamescun.com/ycs12/ | 19:51 |
| delinquentme | what is it? | 19:52 |
| @kanzure | ycombinator interview simulator | 19:52 |
| @kanzure | once you can answer all the questions in the alloted time, tell me | 19:52 |
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| delinquentme | you tell me when we can all focus on one project | 19:53 |
| delinquentme | and well beat the shit out of any ycomb interview | 19:53 |
| @kanzure | what? | 19:53 |
| @kanzure | i can't force everyone in here to focus on a single project, that doesn't make sense | 19:53 |
| delinquentme | no | 19:54 |
| delinquentme | like 2-5 people | 19:54 |
| @kanzure | working on what and why? | 19:54 |
| delinquentme | anyone in here half applied | 19:54 |
| delinquentme | even* half aplied | 19:54 |
| delinquentme | 1) idea 2) xxx 3) profit ! 4) live forever | 19:55 |
| @kanzure | that's not helpful | 19:55 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, do you know any laser cutters sympathetic to the cause? | 19:55 |
| @kanzure | anthropomorphic laser cutters? | 19:55 |
| delinquentme | :D | 19:55 |
| delinquentme | yeah kinda but mostly people armed with them | 19:56 |
| delinquentme | i need nothing thicker than 10mm | 19:56 |
| @kanzure | yes i know people with laser cutters | 19:56 |
| delinquentme | discounts? | 19:56 |
| @kanzure | most people charge their laser cutter's time at $1/min + setup fees | 19:57 |
| ybit | my head hurts after going through the simulator | 19:59 |
| @kanzure | which simulator | 19:59 |
| ybit | ycomb | 20:00 |
| ybit | 19:51 <@kanzure> delinquentme: you should use this http://www.jamescun.com/ycs12/ | 20:00 |
| @kanzure | ah i was hoping you compiled https://github.com/kanzure/netmorph | 20:00 |
| fenn | kanzure: plz cp /srv/git/skdb.git/hooks/post-receive /srv/git/diyhpluswiki.git/hooks/ | 20:05 |
| @kanzure | nope won't work because the gnusha irssi socket is busted | 20:06 |
| @kanzure | jrayhawk: thoughts? | 20:06 |
| fenn | i don't really know how cia works | 20:06 |
| @kanzure | /srv/git/skdb.git/hooks/post-receive is not cia | 20:07 |
| @kanzure | oh i see we commented out the cia part | 20:07 |
| jrayhawk | you can replace that if you want; i was just dicking around | 20:07 |
| fenn | it emails cia.vc? weird | 20:08 |
| @kanzure | err cia.cv also has HTTP POST stuff which i think makes more sense than email | 20:08 |
| jrayhawk | oh, i see, someone already did replace it | 20:08 |
| @kanzure | but anyway, i think the simplest solution would be somehow fixing gnusha's socket | 20:08 |
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| @kanzure | how do i do that :x | 20:09 |
| * fenn kicks gnusha | 20:10 | |
| fenn | sometimes it works | 20:10 |
| jrayhawk | /load socket-interface.pl will get you most of the way there, but permissions become a bit ugly. I guess I should look at actual CIA. | 20:11 |
| jrayhawk | you would specifically want some sort of gnusha-run daemon or suid library to sanitize input to that socket | 20:13 |
| jrayhawk | which is lame | 20:13 |
| @kanzure | this is dumb. | 20:14 |
| jrayhawk | or i guess socket-interface.pl could be rewritten to preface everything with /say | 20:14 |
| jrayhawk | that's probably easiest. I'll give that a shot. | 20:14 |
| @kanzure | this also looks dumb: http://mueller.panopticdev.com/2011/08/supybot-git-ircbot-plugin-for-git.html | 20:15 |
| @kanzure | it "monitors" git repositories instead of having an interface for git hooks | 20:15 |
| @kanzure | doesn't make sense.. https://github.com/mmueller/supybot-git/blob/master/plugin.py | 20:17 |
| fenn | it's a supybot interface to git, not so much a change notifier | 20:18 |
| fenn | why one would want that, i cannot know | 20:19 |
| gnusha | testing | 20:20 |
| jrayhawk | Okay, skdb.git probably does a thing now | 20:21 |
| @kanzure | i'd like to set it up on diyhpluswiki.git, hplusroadmap.git and enzymaticsynthesis.git | 20:22 |
| @kanzure | although i wouldn't mind doing that on my own | 20:22 |
| @kanzure | this looks like a more useful supybot plugin http://git.silverirc.com/cgit.cgi/gitreport.git/tree/?id=40ae746f3ab737d62c264df0eee00e5241b1c2e1 | 20:22 |
| jrayhawk | Yeah, you probably want to shove that post-receive hook somewhere and symlink over to it so you get a consistent style. | 20:23 |
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| @kanzure | is the project-name not hardcoded? | 20:23 |
| jrayhawk | I don't actually see the project name mentioned anywhere. I wonder how best to get that. | 20:23 |
| @kanzure | jrayhawk: GIT_DIR ? | 20:26 |
| @kanzure | possibly: git rev-parse --git-dir | 20:26 |
| jrayhawk | I'm thinking some horrible hack based on $PWD | 20:27 |
| jrayhawk | GIT_DIR isn't necessarily present, git rev-parse --git-dir often returns "."... | 20:27 |
| jrayhawk | I'll throw together a bash regex for that, i guess | 20:28 |
| delinquentme | is id=#someIDname | 20:29 |
| delinquentme | a valid declaration for a div id? | 20:29 |
| delinquentme | i think rails is failing quietly | 20:30 |
| @kanzure | the rails framework itself shouldn't be parsing html | 20:30 |
| @kanzure | <div id="someIDname" /> is generally a better idea | 20:30 |
| @kanzure | fenn: soo i am guessing this is the table? http://diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=c0186d4370d49d8725c022cd88a85f614bcacca2 | 20:31 |
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| fenn | yep, here's what it looks like so far http://fennetic.net/irc/xy_table_unfinished.png | 20:35 |
| @kanzure | nmz787: looksies? | 20:35 |
| @kanzure | hm that's roughly what i imagined | 20:36 |
| @kanzure | i think putting images in the repo is okay | 20:36 |
| fenn | i dont really like this particular repo setup we've got going | 20:37 |
| fenn | first of all, it's not a wiki | 20:37 |
| @kanzure | ikiwiki? http://diyhpl.us/wiki | 20:37 |
| fenn | second, /projects/ is going to overflow with random crap | 20:38 |
| fenn | why not have individual repos for each project? | 20:38 |
| @kanzure | that's perfectly fine | 20:38 |
| @kanzure | *individual repos are fine | 20:38 |
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| @kanzure | fenn: you should have sudo rights to do "newrepo" on gnusha | 20:40 |
| @kanzure | sudo newrepo reponame | 20:40 |
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| jrayhawk | the sudo is optional; it'll probably also do that for you | 20:40 |
| gnusha | dumbtest.git: 1d977d6 testing from jrayhawk account | 20:41 |
| jrayhawk | oh hello, ikiwiki is kinda broken | 20:42 |
| jrayhawk | oh yeah, i fixed that bug. right. | 20:44 |
| @kanzure | fenn: eventually i will break down and install mediawiki, jrayhawk will go commando and baleet me from the servers, but stee||3giriu will be happy that it's mediawiki or something | 20:44 |
| gnusha | dumbtest.git: aa0338d testing from ikiwiki | 20:46 |
| jrayhawk | huzzah | 20:46 |
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| gnusha | dumbtest.git: b5294ba another test | 20:51 |
| jrayhawk | okay, i am too lazy to work out how to configure irssi to /load socket-interface-strict automatically, but other than that... | 20:52 |
| jrayhawk | hook is in /usr/local/bin/gnusha-post-receive | 20:52 |
| jrayhawk | feel free to symlink it around | 20:52 |
| @kanzure | like dis? ln -s /srv/git/whatever.git/hooks/post-receive /usr/local/bin/gnusha-post-receive | 20:52 |
| jrayhawk | ln -s is conceptually like copy | 20:53 |
| jrayhawk | ln -s /usr/local/bin/gnusha-post-receive /srv/git/whatever.git/hooks/post-receive | 20:53 |
| @kanzure | you have just solved years of struggle and strife with that one analogy | 20:53 |
| @kanzure | what the hell is "TARGET" bleh | 20:54 |
| jrayhawk | 'source' and 'destination' also don't make much sense | 20:54 |
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| gnusha | dumbtest.git: 8113503 of commits | 20:57 |
| gnusha | dumbtest.git: 8113503 of commits | 20:57 |
| gnusha | dumbtest.git: 8113503 of commits | 20:57 |
| jrayhawk | huh, that foreach does not work well | 20:57 |
| @kanzure | ok symlinks made | 20:58 |
| * fenn mumbles something about git submodule | 21:01 | |
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| gnusha | dumbtest.git: 5854a92 this is | 21:03 |
| gnusha | dumbtest.git: a51c182 a pile | 21:03 |
| gnusha | dumbtest.git: 5c83d41 of commits | 21:03 |
| jrayhawk | ah, typo | 21:03 |
| @kanzure | jrayhawk: when i'm using screen and i can't be bothered to relogin is it safe to do sudo git push? | 21:04 |
| jrayhawk | Yeah. | 21:04 |
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| jrayhawk | The objects are immutable, the refs are atomicly modified with linking operations and are thus covered by dir perms. | 21:04 |
| jrayhawk | New object dirs are covered by core.sharedrepository. | 21:05 |
| jrayhawk | and my ridiculously strict permissions model even keeps you safe from hostile users replacing the contents of hooks/ | 21:07 |
| @kanzure | "remote: skipping bad filename experimental/vik's kiwi mendel/beaded-belt_gear.scad" | 21:08 |
| jrayhawk | Yeah, ikiwiki is paranoid about what characters it's willing to deal with. I can add a gnusha.org-wide setting for that... | 21:09 |
| @kanzure | ah it wasn't clear that it was ikiwiki | 21:09 |
| @kanzure | i am possibly okay with that | 21:09 |
| jrayhawk | You can shove $conf->{"wiki_file_chars"} = "-[:alnum:]+/.:_ \'" into /etc/ikiwiki/piny.setup.pl and sudo piny-ikiwiki-mass-rebuild if you ever happen to care | 21:11 |
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| @kanzure | thanks | 21:11 |
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| nmz787 | kanzure: ever hear of eeg and khz or mhz sampling rates? | 21:11 |
| nmz787 | seems most 'brain' waves are in the low hz | 21:11 |
| @kanzure | i've never really been interested in eeg so i haven't looked | 21:12 |
| nmz787 | this is still not radio khz http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22094624 | 21:12 |
| @kanzure | but.. sampling rate? i doubt it's mhz. there's no way old school eeg devies were doing a million samples a second | 21:13 |
| jrayhawk | I think the default wiki_file_chars is meant to step delicately around people with shitty filesystems | 21:13 |
| @kanzure | i guess they were continuous readout, hmm | 21:13 |
| fenn | millihertz | 21:13 |
| @kanzure | oh he really meant mhz | 21:13 |
| @kanzure | wait, what? | 21:14 |
| @kanzure | Hz = 1/1, MHz = 1000000/1, mHz = .001/1 ? | 21:15 |
| @kanzure | so 1/100th of a sample per second? | 21:15 |
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| @kanzure | i've added some repos http://diyhpl.us/cgit/ like open-spectrometer, openpcr, liquidhandler001, parameterized-mendel, oce, etc. | 21:29 |
| klafka | i think i'm going to do the data science hackathon this weekend | 21:29 |
| @kanzure | klafka: there's an fbi/diybio hackathon on june 16th in (probably)sunnyvale that you should meet all of us at | 21:30 |
| klafka | fbi? | 21:31 |
| klafka | wtf | 21:31 |
| fenn | oh look there's my email address | 21:31 |
| @kanzure | klafka: yeah they are flying a lot of us out | 21:31 |
| klafka | wtf | 21:32 |
| klafka | what is the involvement of the fbi w/ the diybio movement? | 21:32 |
| @kanzure | klafka: lastyear's notes: http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/fbi-diybio-2011/2011-07-13.txt | 21:32 |
| @kanzure | they are somewhat encouraging and helpful | 21:32 |
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| @kanzure | klaka: http://web.archive.org/web/20080708235522/http://www.fbi.gov/hq/nsb/wmd/images/hrtppe.jpg | 21:33 |
| klafka | ok i'm down | 21:35 |
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| @kanzure | klafka: awesome | 21:36 |
| klafka | just you know remind me later on | 21:37 |
| klafka | i'll make sure to not be out of town though | 21:37 |
| klafka | man hackathons, diybio, starting a chapter of a drug harm reduction my days in sf are fucking packed | 21:38 |
| fenn | sweet, biohazard paintball | 21:38 |
| @kanzure | that used to be their graphic on the "Weapons of Mass Destruction" website ("Biological Countermeasures Unit") | 21:39 |
| @kanzure | they had somewhat toned it down: http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/terrorism/wmd | 21:39 |
| @kanzure | now it's somewhat more peaceful: http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/terrorism/wmd/image/wmd2.jpg-1 | 21:39 |
| fenn | yeah those guys look pretty depressed | 21:39 |
| superkuh | Working for evil probably does that. | 21:39 |
| klafka | man | 21:40 |
| fenn | "aw man we used to get submachine guns, now it's just pointy wizard hats" | 21:40 |
| klafka | i wish i had used version control on this code | 21:40 |
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| @kanzure | fenn: "fuck obama we liked bush" | 21:40 |
| @kanzure | klafka: always use version control | 21:41 |
| Cat4D | http://obsama.com/#snow | 21:41 |
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| klafka | i know | 21:42 |
| @kanzure | superkuh: have you used this? https://github.com/kanzure/netmorph | 21:42 |
| superkuh | No. | 21:43 |
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| superkuh | I can't even get it to compile (yet). | 21:59 |
| yashgaroth | glutton for punishment | 21:59 |
| yashgaroth | oh whoops | 21:59 |
| @kanzure | "Check out xmllint too, ESP the "shell" feature in it (basically a REPL for xpath and other useful XML spelunking.)" | 22:09 |
| @kanzure | well that's neat. | 22:09 |
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| nmz787 | no i did not mean millihertz | 22:11 |
| @kanzure | wb | 22:11 |
| @kanzure | i still don't understand the meaning of a millihertz | 22:11 |
| katsmeow-afk | takes a good while to change | 22:11 |
| @kanzure | okay, so just longer cycles/periods | 22:12 |
| katsmeow-afk | yeas, longer than one second | 22:12 |
| @kanzure | that's still hard to understand in some contexts though- e.g. in eeg sampling | 22:12 |
| katsmeow-afk | 1 sec = 1hz, 100mh = 0.1 sec , etc | 22:12 |
| @kanzure | would it mean "take the average of the electrode's reading over a period of time"? | 22:12 |
| katsmeow-afk | not to me, no | 22:13 |
| katsmeow-afk | if you frame it in that context, maybe | 22:13 |
| katsmeow-afk | if you are talking of a portion of a freq spectrum, ok | 22:13 |
| katsmeow-afk | below 1 sec, you might even call it a short or long term dc shift | 22:14 |
| katsmeow-afk | interesting things have low freq oscillatons, light bulbs can make fne 7hz oscillators, and i have seen generators and heavy hvac units try to sync (miserably) and hunt around at 200millihz cycles | 22:16 |
| nmz787 | 100MHz would be 10 nanoseconds per sample | 22:24 |
| nmz787 | or rather 1 sample every 10 ns | 22:25 |
| katsmeow-afk | yeas | 22:25 |
| nmz787 | so ideally your EEG would sample at like 250MHz to make sure you see the waveform nicely | 22:25 |
| katsmeow-afk | and a sun tracker will have a repeat only once per 24hr day | 22:26 |
| katsmeow-afk | holy crap, no way, how fast does your eeg waveform change?? | 22:26 |
| nmz787 | no i'm saying to see if there were RF components associated with different thought processes that's what you'd need | 22:27 |
| nmz787 | most EEG are less than 1KHz | 22:27 |
| katsmeow-afk | oh, the rf things,, yeas, in which case you'd need to sample at least 2x the top freq, or above Nyquist cutoff | 22:28 |
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| gnusha | pokecrystal.git: 226e964 Asm.insert_multiple_with_dependencies | 23:12 |
| gnusha | pokecrystal.git: 1098757 speed up asm insertion | 23:12 |
| gnusha | pokecrystal.git: 34ff5fc checkmonkey -> checkmoney | 23:12 |
| jrayhawk | haha on topic | 23:13 |
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| @kanzure | uh uh | 23:15 |
| @kanzure | i should probably disable that | 23:15 |
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| @kanzure | fenn: why not povray? | 23:45 |
| @kanzure | i mean, if openscad is so much trouble to begin with | 23:45 |
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