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| @kanzure | http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/to32n/ask_aubrey_de_grey_chief_science_officer_sens/ | 08:08 |
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| @kanzure | with apologies for linking to reddit. i guess this shouldn't matter, since aubrey usually answers all of his incoming email. | 08:08 |
| @kanzure | oh god, delinquentme is on there. evidence that he uses reddit! no wonder. | 08:09 |
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| Mariu | interesting | 10:25 |
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| Mariu | thanks, kanzure | 10:29 |
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| Mariu | wow, epic reply from delinquentme | 10:38 |
| Mariu | 'overpopulation is the go-to argument for anyone new to this. | 10:38 |
| Mariu | As a society advanced they no longer need children to act as farmers and caretakers. In 3rd world countries kids are there to support and do chores etc etc. | 10:38 |
| Mariu | TLDR: As countries trend towards higher standards of living the need for children drop | 10:38 |
| Mariu | awesome ! | 10:38 |
| delinquentme | Mariu, =] glad to see you're on there too | 10:38 |
| Mariu | ^^ | 10:39 |
| delinquentme | yeah I made a big list for all the typical derp questions: | 10:39 |
| delinquentme | http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/to32n/ask_aubrey_de_grey_chief_science_officer_sens/c4ob29u | 10:39 |
| Mariu | sweet | 10:39 |
| delinquentme | Oh and I'm also a fan of the " if you lived to be 1000 when would you have children " | 10:39 |
| delinquentme | I'm waiting for someone to say 23 | 10:39 |
| Mariu | xD | 10:39 |
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| nmz787 | delinquentme: if i lived to be 1000, i think a better question would be, how many children would I have | 11:44 |
| delinquentme | haha umm well wrapping it up is one of the greatest human pleasures! | 11:45 |
| delinquentme | but in present day kids are fucking expensive | 11:45 |
| @kanzure | kids cost the same as an expensive hobby | 11:46 |
| delinquentme | they're up there | 11:46 |
| delinquentme | food + school + sanity | 11:47 |
| delinquentme | factor in time value of money | 11:47 |
| delinquentme | yeah they're like the cost of a G6 | 11:47 |
| Mokbortolan_ | and t-ball | 11:47 |
| Mokbortolan_ | and ballet lessons | 11:48 |
| Mokbortolan_ | and summer camps | 11:48 |
| Mokbortolan_ | and clothes that they wear 3 times then grow out of | 11:48 |
| Mokbortolan_ | and food they don't eat | 11:48 |
| Mokbortolan_ | and toys, oh, and toys for OTHER kids at their birthday parties | 11:48 |
| Mokbortolan_ | not to mention the birthday parties themselves | 11:48 |
| Mokbortolan_ | my kids' school district doesn't provide full-day kindergarten, only half day, you have to pay $335/mo to make up the difference and get full day | 11:49 |
| * Mokbortolan_ complains bitterly about how awesome his life is. | 11:50 | |
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| delinquentme | :P | 11:50 |
| delinquentme | Mokbortolan_, what about that porsche for their sweet 16 like they saw on MTV? | 11:51 |
| Mokbortolan_ | we don't have MTV | 11:52 |
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| Mokbortolan_ | though, that won't protect us | 11:52 |
| delinquentme | lolol | 11:52 |
| delinquentme | smart dude | 11:52 |
| Mokbortolan_ | by the time she's old enough the media giants will have fully exploited the internet's children | 11:52 |
| delinquentme | what about computers and diablo 3? | 11:52 |
| @kanzure | delinquentme: for the first ten years i was banned from tv, computers, electricity, etc. | 11:53 |
| Mokbortolan_ | she doesn't have a gaming machine, just a little netbook | 11:53 |
| delinquentme | yash is not around | 11:53 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, me too ! | 11:53 |
| @kanzure | didn't seem to go right in your case | 11:53 |
| delinquentme | lol yeah haha | 11:53 |
| delinquentme | just made me spiteful | 11:53 |
| delinquentme | Mokbortolan_, you're a brave man I dont think id do kids till im like 60 | 11:54 |
| delinquentme | patience and knowing your own demons | 11:54 |
| delinquentme | that stuff about " And the sins of the father are passed to the children " | 11:54 |
| delinquentme | that shit worries the hell out of me | 11:54 |
| @kanzure | you believe in sins? | 11:54 |
| @kanzure | bleh please don't perpetuate that in here | 11:54 |
| delinquentme | lol nah sins is like the term for short comings | 11:56 |
| delinquentme | for example I can pick out a few of my fathers short comings and say "OK XYZ happened because he had ABC shortcomings " | 11:57 |
| delinquentme | where XYZ is how I act or things I do | 11:57 |
| @kanzure | this sounds overly simplistic and not useful | 11:57 |
| jrayhawk | is this a no-psychology-zone too | 11:59 |
| @kanzure | jrayhawk: yet to be decided! | 11:59 |
| delinquentme | yeah its a psychology tinted | 11:59 |
| @kanzure | jrayhawk: but i somehow doubt that shortcomings is a good parenting model | 11:59 |
| delinquentme | .. statement | 11:59 |
| delinquentme | a more concrete example | 12:00 |
| @kanzure | no, let's not | 12:00 |
| delinquentme | when you've got parents who are really low tax bracket .. money always being an issue | 12:00 |
| delinquentme | that passes particular beliefs onto the children | 12:00 |
| delinquentme | daddy doesnt have his money woes solved so that demon is passed to the kids | 12:01 |
| @kanzure | "sin inheritance" isn't a valid concept. we know this from biology. in addition, orphans show this. | 12:01 |
| delinquentme | the term sin is just as the saying goes | 12:01 |
| delinquentme | the underlying concept remains | 12:01 |
| delinquentme | argument of semantics | 12:01 |
| delinquentme | and orphans yes .. im not saying that this is hereditary | 12:01 |
| delinquentme | im saying that its part of the upbringing | 12:02 |
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| nmz787 | you guys talking about how expensinve kids are are all so white | 12:18 |
| nmz787 | err. american | 12:19 |
| @kanzure | nmz787: it's ok, white is probably correct :P | 12:19 |
| nmz787 | A) kids are biologically more efficient than adults in physical mobility terms B) humans learn fastest when young C) if you are in business for yourself, its easy for them to contribute D) they grow up and can become household producers whether in family business or elsewhere E) most people live on USD $2/day, which with a DIY trick called cooking allows sufficient nutrient for healthy biological development and support | 12:22 |
| @kanzure | what are you arguing for? | 12:24 |
| nmz787 | kids being cheap and good for the environment | 12:24 |
| nmz787 | hah | 12:24 |
| nmz787 | well, for myself i feel thats the case, as I think more people should think like me | 12:24 |
| @kanzure | isn't manure also good for the environment? | 12:25 |
| nmz787 | and would definitely be down for a mixed-clone army | 12:25 |
| nmz787 | yeah, humanure is a thing | 12:25 |
| @kanzure | i mean, there's no way children are more efficient at providing nutrients to the environment than via manure :P | 12:25 |
| nmz787 | well i say good for the environment because my environmental concern is much greater than the majority of population (i.e. the litterbugs whose trash lines the sidewalk outside my house right now) | 12:26 |
| nmz787 | and my values, in some form, will be passed down through my teaching of their neural networks | 12:27 |
| @kanzure | ** Finished account 'gmail' in 108:57:20 | 12:27 |
| @kanzure | finally! my backup. | 12:27 |
| nmz787 | sorry, training their neural network | 12:27 |
| Mariu | Google drive is cool | 12:33 |
| Mariu | *Drive | 12:33 |
| Mariu | what do you guys think of Brooke Greenberg ? | 12:36 |
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| nmz787 | pretty interesting | 12:53 |
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| @kanzure | random telomerase-related email i've received: | 14:07 |
| @kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/longevity/2012-05-15.txt | 14:07 |
| @kanzure | one of those authors looks possibly crazy, the other looks possibly insightful | 14:08 |
| @kanzure | "The worst thing about cellular senescence is the Senescence Associated Secretory Phenotype (SASP_This is the real "enemy" in aging. One senescent cell secreting these multiple toxic cytokines ( > 100 of them) causes the surrounding non-senscent cells to become senescent or they can cause dysplastic cells to undergo malignant transformation into immortal cells." | 14:09 |
| @kanzure | "National Plan to Address Alzheimer's Disease" http://aspe.hhs.gov/daltcp/napa/NatlPlan.shtml | 14:11 |
| @kanzure | http://aspe.hhs.gov/daltcp/napa/NatlPlan.pdf | 14:11 |
| @kanzure | "However Stoyanov developed new protocol and 12.12.2011 there was a kitten experiment solidifying at -20C in his lab, but the kitten didn't woke up. " | 14:16 |
| @kanzure | hahah this guy's english is awesome | 14:16 |
| @kanzure | ^from https://sites.google.com/site/journal1stoyanov/home (i think he wrote the 2012-05-15.txt email) | 14:16 |
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| Mariu | later everyone | 14:59 |
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| @kanzure | http://www.amazon.com/Thermaltake-BlacX-eSATA-Docking-Station/dp/B001A4HAFS | 15:04 |
| @kanzure | better than my dangling usb/sata thing | 15:04 |
| nmz787 | long ass email | 15:05 |
| @kanzure | haha | 15:05 |
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| nmz787 | kanzure: where can I store all the linked items here http://cba.mit.edu/events/07.05.fluid/ | 15:13 |
| @kanzure | one sec | 15:15 |
| @kanzure | nmz787: way ahead of you.. http://diyhpl.us/~byan/papers2/microfluidics/cba-mit-0705fluids/ | 15:16 |
| @kanzure | aww typoed my own name | 15:16 |
| @kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/microfluidics/cba-mit-0705fluids/ | 15:16 |
| @kanzure | also it's cool to see hod lipson on that list for once. church, endy, carr, prakash, whitesides, gershenfeld are all pretty standard | 15:17 |
| @kanzure | actually, shit. that's all my heroes right there. church, whitesides, lipson, gershenfeld, prakash, maybe endy.. i should be there | 15:18 |
| nmz787 | lol | 15:20 |
| nmz787 | btw my roommate has that SATA dock, seems like a decent item to have | 15:24 |
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| @kanzure | nmz787: i have something like that, except not a dock. just kinda plugs in. | 15:25 |
| nmz787 | how do i download a directory over http with windows? | 15:36 |
| @kanzure | nmz787: install cygwin, then install wget or curl. or, install a vm then run linux. or, you can probably find a lousy ui to wget/curl for windows | 15:41 |
| nmz787 | http://sourceforge.net/projects/gnuwin32/files/wget/ | 15:43 |
| nmz787 | i've done this before! | 15:43 |
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| jrayhawk | wget -m http://hostname/resource/path/ | 16:41 |
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| delinquentme | hey guys ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pEkCbqN4uo << this is scaring the shit out of me | 20:31 |
| delinquentme | IDK if its any motivation for your guys | 20:31 |
| @kanzure | what is it | 20:34 |
| docl | something about obesity | 20:37 |
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| roksprok | www.papertigers.me.uk/papertigers/Contact%20and%20Lead%20Emails.xls | 20:44 |
| roksprok | ^^^14k biotech people's email addresses | 20:44 |
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| roksprok | of course it downloads an xls file | 20:45 |
| roksprok | delinquentme: maybe you could send them an email about your robot? | 20:45 |
| roksprok | i guess that would be spamming though | 20:45 |
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| delinquentme | roksprok, who am I sending things to? | 20:53 |
| roksprok | I thought you had a liquid handling robot you were trying to gauge the market for? | 20:54 |
| delinquentme | roksprok, Ohh you're saying hit up that list | 20:54 |
| roksprok | well if you think it would help | 20:55 |
| roksprok | i just stumbled upon it and figured i'd drop it here for safe-keeping lol | 20:55 |
| @kanzure | judge alsup dropped da bomb. | 21:00 |
| @kanzure | http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3979899 | 21:00 |
| @kanzure | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20120515120106322#Update_5 | 21:00 |
| @kanzure | Judge: You can't win with RangeCheck. | 21:00 |
| @kanzure | Oracle: No, it's really really important. | 21:00 |
| @kanzure | Judge: Witness testified a high-school student could code it. | 21:00 |
| @kanzure | Oracle: No, No, Google made squillions by copying it. | 21:00 |
| @kanzure | Judge: It really is very simple. Don't go there, please. | 21:00 |
| @kanzure | Oracle: We will show RangeCheck was the sole basis of Android's success and still intend to claim squillions. | 21:00 |
| @kanzure | Judge: I'm a programmer. I could, and have, written RangeCheck in half a dozen languages, in as many ways, before I've even had my first coffee of the morning. | 21:00 |
| @kanzure | Oracle: gulp | 21:00 |
| @kanzure | so basically.. every time he got bored listening to an expert witness he wrote another version of rangeCheck | 21:01 |
| @kanzure | you have to think he's spent most of the trial waiting to drop that one. i think this is what you call in the legal profession, a bitch slap. | 21:02 |
| delinquentme | lol | 21:03 |
| delinquentme | that is awesome | 21:03 |
| @kanzure | ""The Atlanta Journal Constitution is reporting that a federal judge has ruled in favor of Georgia State University on 69 of 74 copyright claims filed by Cambridge University Press, Oxford University Press, and SAGE Publications. In a 350-page ruling, Senior U.S. District Judge Orinda Evans found that 'fair use protected a Georgia State University professor's decision to allow students to access an excerpt online through the university's Electronic | 21:45 |
| @kanzure | "While the 69 of the 74 claims were rejected, the judge also found that five violations did occur 'when the publisher lost money because a professor had provided free electronic access to selected chapters in textbooks.' SAGE Publications prevailed on four of these five claims, while Oxford University Press won the fifth claim. Cambridge University Press lost all its claims."" | 21:45 |
| @kanzure | http://www.tc.umn.edu/~nasims/GSU-opinion.pdf | 21:45 |
| @kanzure | http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2012/05/14/court-rejects-many-publishers-arguments-e-reserves | 21:45 |
| @kanzure | analysis: http://blogs.library.duke.edu/scholcomm/2012/05/12/the-gsu-decision-not-an-easy-road-for-anyone/ | 21:47 |
| @kanzure | "Another interesting aspect, which I got from this also-interesting analysis [laboratorium.net] of the decision, is that many of the claims never even got to a legal analysis stage, because the publishers couldn't produce sufficient evidence of having a registered copyright: | 21:47 |
| @kanzure | "either they couldn't find a signed copyright transfer from the author showing that the publisher actually had copyright properly assigned to them, or they couldn't produce evidence that they had registered the copyright (a prerequisite under U.S. law for suing)." | 21:47 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, do you think there would be any use in a distribution/marketing strategy of 1) Contacting the publishing research lab and offering confirmation services then 2) Request that if anyone contacts them needing additional information about reproducing a particular protocol that they could contact me | 21:51 |
| delinquentme | or at least parts of a protocol which could be run with a liquid handler | 21:51 |
| @kanzure | wtf? "American Geophysical Union v. Texaco" | 21:51 |
| @kanzure | wtf? "Princeton University Press v. Michigan Document Services" | 21:52 |
| @kanzure | well i guess a geophysics union might have something against an oil company, maybe | 21:52 |
| @kanzure | delinquentme: no, you are not an expert on reproducing protocols | 21:52 |
| delinquentme | certainly not but is that the only stumbling block? | 21:53 |
| delinquentme | I mean assuming you could pass this idea and get it functional ... thats an automatic distribution channel | 21:54 |
| @kanzure | another problem is that nobody would want to talk with you, they want to talk with the person that actually did it | 21:54 |
| delinquentme | like after a researcher is done w a study they get to pass it off to another organization who handles all the follow up work | 21:54 |
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| delinquentme | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-18074644 bio engineered batteries !! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-18074644 | 22:06 |
| delinquentme | derp pasted twice | 22:06 |
| delinquentme | alright all nighty night! | 22:20 |
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| Juul | what's the simples possible DIY PCR machine anyone has built? | 23:24 |
| Juul | light bulb pcr i guess | 23:32 |
| Juul | hrm, whatever happened to LavaAmp | 23:33 |
| Juul | the site seems to be down and archive.org's snapshot is old | 23:33 |
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