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| OldCoder | Zzz | 01:16 |
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| augur | ybit: dunno why | 02:38 |
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| nmz787_ | Anyone around? | 05:27 |
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| kanzure | oh god the heat | 07:41 |
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| kanzure | hrmm "Meth Labs and Dead Dogs: How the Founder of McAfee Antivirus Went on the Run" | 09:04 |
| kanzure | http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4027564 "Slightly off-topic, but isn't it interesting how often news like this is broken with MIT as the subject of the headline: "MIT builds…", "MIT discovers…", etc? In general, reports originating from universities tend to be billed as "Scientists discover…, "A report from Harvard suggests…", and the like." | 09:05 |
| klafka | that was interesting | 09:10 |
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| skorket | afternoon, all | 10:05 |
| brownies | kanzure: well, it's MIT, that's why. if the University of Rednecksville was doing it all the time, then i guess they'd write headlines like that, too. | 10:31 |
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| chris_99 | i wonder if that makes your arm sore | 10:32 |
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| chris_99 | anyone read Radical Evolution | 15:56 |
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| docl | not me | 15:58 |
| docl | what's it about? | 15:59 |
| chris_99 | transhumanism | 15:59 |
| kanzure | that doesn't sound true | 16:00 |
| chris_99 | what doesn't sound true | 16:00 |
| kanzure | that a book called anything evolution would be about transhumanism? | 16:00 |
| chris_99 | why? | 16:00 |
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| kanzure | usually when people talk about evolution they are not referring to human-designed things | 16:01 |
| chris_99 | can't see why it can't included human modification | 16:01 |
| kanzure | evolution? | 16:01 |
| n_bentha | i agree w/ u chris | 16:02 |
| chris_99 | yes kanzure | 16:02 |
| docl | kanzure has a point. evolution means natural selection and stuff. using it for transhumanism is dilution. | 16:03 |
| docl | although I find it very plausible someone wrote a book about transhumanism and named it something about evolution. | 16:03 |
| klafka | evolution doesn't mean natural selection - natural selection is evolution applied to organic life | 16:04 |
| docl | also, strictly speaking, evolution isn't restricted to natural stuff. I'm just saying that is what it normally means. | 16:04 |
| chris_99 | exactly klafka | 16:05 |
| chris_99 | you can have GAs etc. running on a computer | 16:05 |
| kanzure | docl: more importantly.. i don't see what utility using the word "evolution" brings to that situation | 16:05 |
| kanzure | besides marketing bogus crap. i guess there's that. :( | 16:06 |
| docl | kanzure: makes the book more marketable...? | 16:06 |
| docl | yeah | 16:06 |
| yashgaroth | I always worry when people say 'evolution' about anything regarding humans since it leads to things like objectivism | 16:06 |
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| docl | wait, what? | 16:07 |
| docl | objectivism has what to do with human evolution? | 16:07 |
| yashgaroth | exactly | 16:07 |
| yashgaroth | it doesn't, but people often repurpose their view of what evolution means to try and justify that sort of thing | 16:07 |
| * kanzure looks | 16:08 | |
| kanzure | http://www.amazon.com/Radical-Evolution-Promise-Enhancing-Bodies/dp/0385509650 | 16:08 |
| kanzure | "As you read this, we are engineering the next stage of human evolution. Through advances in genetic, robotic, information and nanotechnologies, we are altering our minds, our memories, our metabolisms, our personalities, our progeny–and perhaps our very souls." | 16:08 |
| kanzure | oh geeze. | 16:08 |
| docl | Far-mode-topia | 16:08 |
| kanzure | so, not all humans are step-wise in sync with the rest of civilization with technologies | 16:09 |
| kanzure | so i don't see how that's the next stage of 'human evolution' | 16:09 |
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| chris_99 | why would they have to be 'in sync' | 16:10 |
| kanzure | chris_99: "the next stage" | 16:10 |
| chris_99 | ? | 16:10 |
| kanzure | words have meanings | 16:10 |
| chris_99 | indeed they do | 16:11 |
| kanzure | chris_99: are you still looking for things to read? | 16:12 |
| chris_99 | yup | 16:12 |
| kanzure | i recommend this stuff: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/longevity/ | 16:12 |
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| chris_99 | ta | 16:13 |
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| mako | "I have always found Searle’s logic in his celebrated Chinese Room Argument to be hopelessly tautological" | 19:42 |
| mako | Heh, Kurtzweil agrees with me, how about that. | 19:42 |
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| kanzure | "Patent trolling as a business, which IV has proven is viable, relies on a precondition: patent litigation must remain expensive. In specific, it must be prohibitively expensive to determine whether each and every asserted claim in each and every patent asserted against an "infringer" is valid. This determination can only be done via patent litigation. What happens if this precondition does not exist?" | 19:45 |
| kanzure | usually those claims also include things like "and furthermore, the defendant's product violates this claim", so it would be hard to prove that all existing products don't do that, without individually evaluating them | 19:45 |
| kanzure | them=those products | 19:45 |
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| kanzure | superkuh: i am the cheating snaketron user | 21:08 |
| superkuh | Bastard. | 21:08 |
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| kanzure | hi nmz787 | 22:06 |
| nmz787 | hi | 22:08 |
| nmz787 | i want minions to do my lab/workday bidding | 22:09 |
| kanzure | indeed | 22:10 |
| kanzure | the american dream | 22:10 |
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