2012-05-29.log

--- Log opened Tue May 29 00:00:24 2012
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kanzurestill can't figure out where everyone is on the weekends04:33
ybit<- working on getting internet access04:37
kanzureybit: it seems you have achieved this04:38
ybitby getting to work super early04:38
kanzurerandom anders sandberg interview04:40
kanzurehttp://www.singularityweblog.com/anders-sandberg-on-singularity-1-on-1-we-are-all-amazingly-stupid-but-we-can-get-better/04:40
kanzure"eudoxa"? eudoxia is going to be pissed04:40
kanzureybit: what's work?04:41
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ybitkanzure: http://isotope11.com04:49
ybiteveryone here uses linux \o/04:49
ybitand the boss man is driving to southeast linuxfest04:49
ybitdriving +me04:49
ybitthey also run this annually: http://www.incubatebang.com/04:52
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* ybit waves hi to kvltist 04:54
kanzureybit: do you own isotope11?04:54
ybitheh, nope04:54
kanzurethe number of projects they have listed is pretty low04:55
kanzureare they new?04:55
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kanzurewaaay too many people for so few projects: http://isotope11.com/about04:56
ybitthey are relatively new i suppose, ~7 years04:56
ybitthey also hosts http://www.incubatebang.com/04:56
ybiter...04:56
ybithttp://www.meetup.com/bhamboss/04:57
kanzureseven years and all they have are two insurance projects, and two mobile projects? i don't understand04:58
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ybitkanzure: they have worked on a lot more than that, and they are working with huge organizations right now05:06
ybitstuff i can't say because of nda :\05:06
kanzureybit: see pm05:07
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kanzurehttp://reprap.org/wiki/MetalicaRap06:05
kanzure"One of the goals is a solar cell production plant design that MetalicaRap will be able to print, that will utilize MetalicaRap's vacuum chamber and beam for the solar cell manufacturing processes."06:05
kanzure"It should be possible to use a process that creates thin film solar cells at a vacuum of 10-4 Torr by directly co-evaporating copper, gallium, indium and selenium onto a heated substrate[3]. Other precursor choices should also be possible[4]. The CIGS manufacturing process will consist of electron beam physical vapor deposition[5] (EBPVD summary by material [6]) and DC sputtering in the vacuum chamber(DC sputter animation [7])."06:05
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augurybit!08:40
kanzureaugur!09:01
augurkanzure!09:01
kanzureaugur!09:01
kanzurewait, we're in a loop.09:01
auguri was about to yell "brad!"09:01
augurin the hopes of invoking rocky horror09:01
augurbut nooooo09:01
auguryou have to go and ruin it09:01
augurhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcmq-8rcEKg09:03
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jennicideWHAT IT SO09:32
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kanzurehi klafka09:41
kanzurejennicide: ?09:41
jennicidewhat?09:42
kanzureklafka: have you used eureqa before? i don't know why i held out for so long09:42
jennicideit wasnt me09:42
jennicideoh09:42
jennicidei said that to the wrong channel09:42
jennicideoops09:42
jennicideit was me :(09:42
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chris_99what are you using it for kanzure?09:55
kanzurechris_99: i was using it to figure out the formulas for some maps in pokemon crystal, heh09:55
chris_99really?!09:56
kanzurechris_99: yeah, scroll down.. https://github.com/kanzure/pokecrystal/commit/5e37b9a97fc2b2054d35ce36575dd0fd204bb2bf.diff09:57
kanzure"dw ($C703 + 253 + ((ROUTE_39_HEIGHT + 3) * (ROUTE_39_WIDTH + 6))) ; strip destination"09:57
kanzurestuff like that.09:57
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chris_99what's that the source from?09:58
kanzurechris_99: me.09:58
chris_99yeah but what is it09:58
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kanzurechris_99: asm.09:58
kanzurechris_99: https://github.com/kanzure/pokecrystal#readme09:58
kanzureand also: https://github.com/kanzure/pokecrystal/tree/master/extras#readme09:58
chris_99no i didn't mean what language i meant what is it for09:59
chris_99oh you disassembled it09:59
kanzureright. just me having some fun.09:59
kanzureso it's for entertainment.09:59
chris_99gotcha09:59
kanzurei am allowed to have at least one hobby that doesn't involve neurophysics or something :P09:59
chris_99heh09:59
chris_99do you do comp. neuro stuff?10:00
kanzuresometimes.10:00
kanzurechris_99: i was playing around with this recently http://github.com/kanzure/netmorph10:00
kanzurehttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/netmorph/10:00
chris_99interesting not heard of that before10:01
kanzureit's one of randal koene's projects.10:01
kanzureit was sorta "hidden" so i figured it should have a git repo.10:02
chris_99ah10:02
chris_99i just got a graham condenser :)10:02
kanzurehrmm i wonder when this showed up http://diybio.org/safety/biosafety-advisory/10:05
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Mokbortolan_probably after that flap about the weasel-bird flu10:33
Mokbortolan_ferrets, weasels, same difference10:37
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nmz787kanzurino: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2916174/10:49
nmz787kanzure: ^10:49
nmz787kinda old http://www.micromanufacturing.com/content/scaled-micro10:50
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kanzureneat story about a n-glycanase 1 mutation: http://matt.might.net/articles/my-sons-killer/10:56
kanzurenot sure why they are concerned about patents or FDA approval10:56
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chris_99does anyone know with glassware if B24 for example is a standard fitting12:41
ybitaugur!12:44
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ybitaugur!12:44
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augursup ybit13:13
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Steel2kanzure, what was the title of the paper where they fed flavonol rich cocoa to young women in england?13:46
Steel2wait, nvm, found it13:47
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kanzurehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compassionate_use14:16
kanzure"Since 1987, the FDA has had rules in place that have enabled patients, under specific circumstances, to access drugs or biologics that are still in development for treatment purposes. These expanded access program rules were amended in 2009 by the FDA to ensure “broad and equitable access to investigational drugs for treatment.”"14:17
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Mokbortolan_ohhh, and that's why the federal government supplies people with marijuana.14:21
skorketkanzure, is there any freely available and cheap acrylate or epoxy polymers used in SLA?14:36
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kanzureskorket: i'm not the best source for materials knowledge, heh. i don't know.14:40
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nmz787has anyone attempted a DIY 2PP (2 photon polymerization) stereolithography setup?15:23
kanzurewhy 2PP ?15:25
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nmz787its pretty cool, great way to make multilayer things15:53
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* kanzure pushes 17:11
kanzurehttps://github.com/kanzure/pyphantomjs17:11
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roksprokwould it be worth going to http://startupscience.eventbrite.com ? i would kind of like to hear todd huffman talk but it looks like he'll only get like 20 min17:34
roksprokalso anyone know what an 'expert led workshop' entails?17:34
roksprokis it like a panel? or mini-hacking session?17:35
roksprokor just themed discussion17:35
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kanzureroksprok: i'll be there.. it's joseph jackson's thing17:38
kanzureplus, if it sucks, all the hplusroadmappers can fart and storm out17:38
kanzurewe could also potentially do something crazy like release 500 GB of scraped journals17:39
nmz787i'll be there17:39
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roksprokcool i'll sign up for it17:56
yashgarothdo they really want me to print the ticket? it's like the 90s all over again17:56
roksprokkanzure and nmz787 : are you speaking?17:57
kanzurehaven't decided yet17:57
kanzureyashgaroth: there's no way they want the tickets printed. if you are anxious about it, just email it to me and we can use super phones to show the ticket.17:58
yashgarothI think my phone has enough resolution to show the QR code, but it's the principle of the thing17:58
yashgarothI don't even own a printer17:58
kanzureaww yeah. scanning a phone showing an image of a picture of a qr code. yeees.17:58
roksprokkanzure: can you briefly say what a workshop is? i get kind of conflicting answers on googling17:59
yashgarothand they'll probably be using a phone to scan it17:59
kanzureroksprok: it's joseph jackson organizing an event for us and our friends17:59
roksprokno like a talk is a guy getting up and showing slides and speaking on a theme18:00
roksproka panel discussion is a moderater asking several people questions18:00
kanzureroksprok: btw, lots of us will be in that area for that whole preceeding week. myself, fenn, juul, possibly bkero, yashgaroth, F7, nmz787, etc.18:00
roksproka workshop is....18:00
yashgarothso is the 'hackathon' part of this event, or separate18:00
kanzureit may or may not be an actual hackathon, i dunno, joseph isn't a coder18:00
yashgarothhence the single quotes, but whatever the biocurious thing will be called18:01
kanzurethat's this thing18:01
yashgarothah okay cool18:01
bkerokanzure: what week?18:01
roksprokwhen is the hackathon/ is joseph organizing that too?18:01
kanzurethere's also the biocurious thing as part of the fbi thing18:01
kanzureroksprok: that's the startupscience thing18:01
kanzurethe biocurious/fbi thing is just "make gfp" probably18:01
kanzurejoseph hasn't put anything together yet because he's lame like that18:01
kanzureso it could be anything18:01
kanzurepossibly "color some coloring books!"18:02
bkerokanzure: I'm planning on being in the bay for a week in July, not sure which week yet18:02
kanzurewith your favorite agent18:02
kanzurebkero: june.18:02
kanzurebkero: see the email.18:02
yashgarothalso I doubt I'll be there that whole week since you guys will be locked up with the FBI during the day18:02
kanzureyashgaroth: i thought you got in to the fbi event?18:02
roksprokkanzure: ah....would the biocurious thing be something i can email joseph to get in on?18:02
kanzureroksprok: yeah, for sure18:02
yashgarothnot sure, but no confirmation sooooo18:02
kanzureroksprok: let me cook up an email18:03
kanzureyashgaroth: send another email, damn18:03
yashgarothI thought he said they were full, but then it got all vague...yeah I'll send one now18:03
bkerokanzure: let me see about june18:03
kanzureyashgaroth: hold on, i'll send it18:03
yashgaroth<318:03
roksprokcool...i had actually emailed him a few times, so no need to do a nice to meet you thing18:03
kanzureyashgaroth: sent18:04
kanzureroksprok: yeah i know, but i'm in control freak mode18:04
roksprokkanzure: that is probably a good idea with me18:05
yashgarothheh me too18:05
roksprokyashgaroth: do you life in sf?18:07
yashgarothhell no, san diego18:07
kanzureyashgaroth: email sent18:07
kanzureroksprok: email sent18:07
roksprokkanzure: email recieved, thanks a lot18:08
kanzurebkero: "I'll look into traveling down for this.  The timing might actually be fortuitous."18:08
kanzurebkero: i'm pretty sure you wrote this :P18:08
yashgarothdamn jojack replies fast18:08
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kanzurejojack, hahah18:09
roksprokkanzure: random interview question: should you say you have an offer when you are interviewing18:09
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kanzureroksprok: never say you have no offers18:10
kanzureyou always have the option to deflect that question ("wait, i don't think you should be asking that, i'm not comfortable with that")18:10
kanzurewhether or not you should say "yes, i do have other offers" depends on a lot of contextual factors18:11
kanzureand also on your delivery.18:11
roksprokso don't bring it up, but if asked you can say you do18:11
kanzureyeah18:11
kanzurebut, if you suck at saying you have a few offers etc., you can really bomb the entire interview with that :P18:12
roksprokok cool...i will hope its not brought up18:12
kanzure"do you have any other offers?" "there are a few calculating pay numbers, but i'm not sure about their fit"18:12
kanzureor "but i'm not sure they are the best fit for me"18:12
kanzurei.e. if you just say "yeah, i have tons of other offers bro, LOL" you sound like a douchebag :) but that might be your style.18:13
roksprokwell i am not a brogrammer18:13
roksprokso i will try to avoid sounding like a douchebag18:14
fennthere's no such thing as a brogrammer18:14
fennhey maybe you should go work for these real estate guys18:15
kanzurepah18:15
kanzuremy estimates were "too high"18:15
fennthey keep trying to hire me18:15
kanzurei estimated <$20k, i dunno what they were thinking18:15
fenni'm like, can't you see i'm busy doing dishes?!!18:15
kanzure"i have data to prove it"18:16
fenndata to prove what?18:16
kanzuredishes18:17
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kanzurei was making a joke about your dishlog18:17
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kanzureroksprok: jojack replied but he didn't include you. i've remailed it to you.18:20
roksprokcool...i'll sign up for the openscience thing...is that a maybe for the biocurious thing? if i'm going to be out there all summer would it be better to just go other days when its less crowded?18:22
kanzureyou should definitely hang out with biocurious18:22
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kanzurehttp://groups.google.com/group/biocurious18:22
kanzureyou should also hang out with fenn and bug him about things18:22
kanzureor write code for brownies18:22
roksproki like bugging people18:22
roksproki have some money now, so it will be a net gain as long as rent isn't too high18:23
roksprokbut i am taking brownies advice and started looking for a place18:24
fenni suggest buying a box truck and living in it18:26
fennnobody listens to me :(18:27
roksprokdo they make box trucks with showers18:27
roksprokor rent them for a few months? otherwise i think i'm going to have to join the nobody's and not listen to you18:29
fennyes you can rent a box truck18:30
fennthe real problem is toilets. despite being invented over 90 years ago, one still cannot buy a packaging toilet in this day and age18:31
kanzureshowers are overrated, you can do that at the gym18:32
kanzureand more importantly, if you are at a gym, you *should* do that at the gym18:33
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bkerokanzure: correct18:35
roksprokkanzure: re joseph email, is his 60 people comment a yes or no? should i offer to help in some way?18:41
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roksproknot really sure what it means/what i should say18:43
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kanzureroksprok: there are two things he's talking about18:50
kanzure"the lab portion" is some hands-on activities with fbi agents at biocurious, probably a molecular biology project18:50
kanzurethat's the 60 people thing he's mentioning.18:50
kanzurethen the other thing is the startupscience eventbrite thinger18:51
yashgarothif I don't get in the hands-on, someone else needs to spill something on an agent and exclaim "oh no, the virus!"18:53
kanzureyeah, we need more hilarious prank ideas18:54
yashgarothreceive phone call, answer in angry arabic18:55
kanzurehow does one make sure it sounds angry?18:56
kanzurei will totally take arabic lessons to make that work18:56
yashgaroththe angry part pretty much takes care of itself with arabic18:56
kanzurewhat should i say in arabic?18:56
kanzure"THIS IS NOT THE RIGHT TIME TO DISCUSS NUCLEAR LAUNCH CODES"18:57
yashgarothman arabic is hella easy to make up stuff in, though yeah some of them probably actually speak it18:57
kanzureلا لم يتم نشر الفيروس حتى الآن18:57
kanzureنشر is probably the wrong word18:58
kanzurei suck at this18:58
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roksprokkanzure: yes and i get that the startupscience thing is open and i just sign up19:00
kanzureyashgaroth: it could also be a nonsense message, like "BUY ALL THE PANCAKES"19:00
roksprokbut what about "the lab portion" - is it open? already full? needs volunteers?19:01
kanzureit's not "open" per-se. you will definitely have to confirm your participation with jojack.19:01
yashgarothcode words are essential - oh I can totally volunteer for the lab portion too, done whatever they're doing a hundred times19:01
kanzurethey are coloring inside the lines i bet19:02
roksprokok cool...is it actually doing stuff with fbi agents19:02
roksproklike teaching them bio techniques19:02
kanzureyes19:02
yashgaroth"yes sir, pipette this tube into that tube and wait 15 minutes" repeat x2019:03
kanzurelike "you and your agent-partner will be transforming ecoli today and we'll email you a picture of it glowing"19:03
kanzurelike "today you will learn how to handle anthrax"19:03
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kanzure_F7_: yo. will you be going to jojack's event thing after the fbi-diybio workshop thing?19:28
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jennicidekanzure: do you game?19:58
kanzurei play pokemon?19:59
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klafka1hey can anyone get me the paper BAD-Dependent Regulation of Fuel Metabolism and KATP Channel Activity Confers Resistance to Epileptic Seizures in Cell ?20:07
klafka1:)20:07
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tmnoanyone here?20:22
kanzureyep20:22
kanzureyour hostname intrigues me20:22
kanzureMASEEH-TWO-EIGHTEEN.MIT.EDU20:22
tmnokanzure!20:22
tmnoyes indeed20:22
tmnograduated senior... watching documentaries all week...20:23
tmnoit's been a blast20:23
kanzurecool.20:23
kanzureare you with media lab?20:23
tmnoI came upon a talk on diy transhumanism that you did in 2010 I think20:23
tmnonope physics :(20:23
kanzuresounds like a thing i'd do20:23
tmnobeen reading ol' kurzweil lately... and poking around20:24
kanzurei don't recommend kurzweil20:24
tmnohave there been any developments on your end as to the diy transhumanism idea?20:24
kanzurehere's an interesting refutation of ray: http://heybryan.org/kurzweil/20:24
kanzuretmno: sure.. lots of projects/funding20:24
tmnoanywhere I could look? I'm kind of curious.  btw the link isn't on my server apparently20:25
tmnoand I'm not a developer G-d so I wouldn't be able to solve that20:26
kanzureoh woops20:27
tmnoand by kind of curious I'm really phukn curious20:27
kanzurehttp://heybryan.org/fernhout/20:27
tmno:)20:27
tmnohuh I'll read this. looks interesting20:27
kanzurealso you can find other things here: http://diyhpl.us/cgit/ http://github.com/kanzure http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/20:27
kanzurehttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/longevity/20:27
kanzurehttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/ultrasound/20:27
kanzurehttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/microfluidics/20:27
tmnoawesome! thanks kanzure20:27
tmnoctrl+D all the tabs20:28
yashgarothwhat sorts of physics are you doing/interested in?20:28
tmnoit all went by so fast I really don't know20:28
tmnohah20:28
yashgarothheh fair enough20:28
tmnoenjoyed quantum... not so much stat mech...20:28
tmnoprobably going to be working more engineering stuff or like simulation stuff in real life20:29
tmnoworked at some natl labs n such doing some coding projects and moving out of the country for an internship for a while20:30
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kanzurehi dixiebassline20:30
dixiebasslineh+ ftw20:30
kanzuretmno: where are you moving to ?20:30
tmnoexactly20:30
dixiebasslinedidnt realis there was a community20:30
tmnoBrazil20:30
kanzuretmno: cool. i know a guy doing diy longevity-relatd stem cell projects in brazil. let me know when you get there so i can hook you up.20:30
tmnooh yeah.  niiice20:31
tmnosounds good to me.20:31
kanzurebut he's like 80 bajillion years old; he probably wont want to travel20:31
tmnocool.20:31
tmnohopefully I'll be in job this summer so I can travel around brazil20:31
tmnosão paulo or rio?20:31
kanzurei'm not sure. he likes to pretend to be anonymous.20:31
tmno80 bajilion20:31
kanzurebut it's not hard to figure out the longevity biologist in a community, haha20:32
tmnosounds like a ripe old age to me20:32
tmnoyeah they're like astrophysicists20:32
kanzure"who here has a ridiculously through knowledge of oxidation in metabolism? yep there's your guy"20:32
kanzure*thorough20:32
tmnodamn.  well sweet.20:32
tmno still haven't figured out what way to go for grad school20:33
kanzurewhy would you do that20:33
tmnowhich is kind of why i came to the irc (what I always do when my britches are bunched)20:33
tmnobecause all the research infrastructure is already made so it'd just be a matter of joining a team rather than striking out alone20:34
tmnoplus college went by so damn quick... hah20:34
kanzureyou might be interested in these:20:34
kanzurehttp://diyhpl.us:9001/random20:34
yashgarothhave you considered biophysics? consider biophysics20:34
kanzuregive it a few seconds to load. they are various videos. there's also a text non-thumbnail index.20:34
tmnook20:35
tmnohave considered20:36
tmnoone of my friends is in biophysics at UChicago20:36
tmnohe's loving it20:36
yashgarothwell there you go20:37
yashgaroth(I'm biased though, ignore me and follow your heart etc)20:37
tmnohah one person's experience alone should not inform my decision20:37
tmnolol I will do just that except without all the bloody syrup20:38
tmnodixiebassline what brings ye hither?20:38
dixiebasslinenoots20:38
tmnoof course20:38
dixiebasslinelol20:39
tmnoi tried some alpha brain...20:39
tmnoit was pretty interesting... dreams feel so much more tangible and it's like... real interactions with real folk20:40
tmnobut what is reality?  yes what is it Morpheus?20:40
kanzurewhat?20:40
tmnothis nootropic that I've tried20:41
kanzureyou called it morpheus?20:41
kanzurethat's confusing20:41
tmnoAlphaBrain by onnit labs20:41
tmnono just a matrix ref that's all20:41
tmnodreams... reality... the big white room?20:42
tmno:)20:42
kanzuresounds like a load of crap to me20:42
tmnoyeah it's not really that effective except for general wakefulness and fascinating dreams20:42
tmnopretty much just like a bunch of herbies packed in a pill20:43
tmnonothin much to it20:43
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tmnothought about modafanil... remarks?20:43
Mokbortolan_awesome stuff20:43
Mokbortolan_freedom from tiredness20:44
kanzuremodafinil20:44
tmnocheap/"legal"/20:44
tmno...20:44
tmnoright modafinil20:44
yashgarothit's pretty good, get some before the DEA cracks down on it more20:44
tmnohuh20:44
tmnook20:44
tmnocheap?20:45
yashgaroth2 a pill, less in bulk20:45
tmnook...20:45
yashgarothif you have something to do while one it, it's cost-effective20:46
tmnohuh understood20:46
yashgarothon*20:46
tmnowho's CIA-132?20:46
kanzurewe have an open relationship with the FBI and CIA20:46
tmnogood to know I'm in good hands20:47
yashgarothhaha20:47
kanzureCIA-132 is http://cia.vc/20:47
kanzureit tweets commits to our git repos20:47
tmnohah20:47
kanzureso stuff on http://github.com/kanzure and http://diyhpl.us/cgit/ shows up in the channel20:47
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tmnonice20:48
klafka1modafinil is not cheap20:48
klafka1:(20:48
tmnoyeah :(20:48
tmnowell I'm gonna go read some of the stuff kanzure provided20:50
tmnoy'all be good now20:50
tmnokanzure: pleasure to meet you20:51
tmnoand the rest as well20:51
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kanzureaw don't leave me20:52
Mokbortolan_I think it just went generic20:52
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kanzureroksprok: thx for the follow-up email21:02
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jrayhawk"The requested URL /kurzweil/ was not found on this server."22:06
kanzureyes, well, i corrected myself just after22:17
kanzure:'(22:17
jrayhawkoh, sorry, i am bad at reading22:18
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Steel2so, who's around that I don't know? :)22:47
jrayhawkCIA-132. You can get to know CIA-132.22:56
Steel2Bah, I'm already moving to McLean :P22:56
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