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| chris_99 | anyone ever scraped google scholar | 04:10 |
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| @kanzure | chris_99: yes | 06:37 |
| @kanzure | chris_99: look at pyscholar on http://diyhpl.us/cgit | 06:37 |
| chris_99 | does that let you enter captchas? | 06:38 |
| @kanzure | no, but i've implemented that before | 06:55 |
| @kanzure | i suggest something like deathbycaptcha | 06:55 |
| chris_99 | i've written java/python scripts that grab bibtex from scholar before, but a friend was after something that allowed him to enter the captcha so he could get all the results | 06:56 |
| chris_99 | i'll tell him about that | 06:56 |
| @kanzure | he might also be interested in http://phantomjs.org/ | 06:58 |
| @kanzure | i should write a captcha breaking module for phantomjs that uses deathbycaptcha. hrm.. | 06:58 |
| chris_99 | ah interesting, i've used Selenium for that type of thing before | 06:58 |
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| @kanzure | i don't really like selenium | 07:04 |
| @kanzure | also here's a reimplementation of phantomjs in python: | 07:04 |
| @kanzure | http://github.com/kanzure/pyphantomjs | 07:04 |
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| archels | Just watched The Fountain... | 11:13 |
| archels | jolly good show! | 11:13 |
| chris_99 | the film? | 11:23 |
| archels | yep | 11:28 |
| chris_99 | aha i enjoyed that | 11:29 |
| chris_99 | too | 11:29 |
| archels | ah, it's from the same guy who wrote and directed Pi. | 11:29 |
| archels | Same guy for the soundtrack as well (Clint Mansell). | 11:30 |
| chris_99 | and requiem for a dream isn't it | 11:31 |
| chris_99 | have you seen Primer? | 11:32 |
| archels | yes on both | 11:33 |
| delinquentme | what is that situation where you feel like you're surrounded by brilliant minds so you have to strive to come across as being as wildly intelligent as possible? | 11:37 |
| delinquentme | something like the imposter syndrome? | 11:37 |
| @kanzure | being a douchebag | 11:37 |
| @kanzure | one upsmanship | 11:37 |
| @kanzure | unconfidence | 11:38 |
| delinquentme | im formulating a pet theory around this | 11:38 |
| delinquentme | and I think most people will agree that theres tons of this in science | 11:38 |
| delinquentme | but the issue happens when you're trying to talk across boundaries | 11:38 |
| @kanzure | there's all sorts of cranky people in science | 11:38 |
| @kanzure | what does "talk across boundaries" mean in a practical sense.. sending ranty emails to people who don't care? | 11:39 |
| @kanzure | does that count? or not | 11:39 |
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| delinquentme_ | just the way that language in science works | 11:42 |
| delinquentme_ | its serves as such a bullshit filter | 11:42 |
| delinquentme_ | " If they dont understand what im saying, I just dont have time to dumb it down " | 11:42 |
| delinquentme_ | i blasted this lady who posted something along these lines on a nature post | 11:42 |
| @kanzure | yes, precise language is a bullshit filter. sure. | 11:43 |
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| delinquentme_ | refusing to simplify complex concepts | 11:49 |
| delinquentme_ | is bullshit | 11:49 |
| delinquentme_ | its the reason science is constrained to academia | 11:50 |
| delinquentme_ | everyones out playing the I need to show how smart I am game | 11:50 |
| delinquentme_ | you know instead of letting your money talk | 11:50 |
| chris_99 | what about big pharma? | 11:52 |
| chris_99 | etc. | 11:52 |
| delinquentme_ | what about it? | 12:02 |
| @kanzure | papers do simplify concepts. that's what they are there for. you should read them. | 12:03 |
| @kanzure | i also don't see why you think money should be the signalling factor | 12:03 |
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| delinquentme_ | well its certainly less wide spread than individuals who can talk fast and use large words no? | 12:10 |
| delinquentme_ | in markets we trust .. therefore these individuals must be doing something more valuable | 12:10 |
| @kanzure | "in markets we trust"? what? | 12:11 |
| @kanzure | are you going off the deep end | 12:11 |
| @kanzure | delinquentme_: i know it might sound to yourself like you're communicating, but i haven't received any implied meaning from your messages today | 12:12 |
| delinquentme_ | What im trying to convey is that theres lots of people who can speak eloquently | 12:12 |
| delinquentme_ | and use complex language | 12:12 |
| @kanzure | ok. | 12:13 |
| delinquentme_ | however I think theres a smaller subset of individuals who both 1) know science and 2) make money with it | 12:13 |
| @kanzure | complex, eloquent language is definitely a thing. | 12:13 |
| @kanzure | i don't see how your "however" follows your original statement | 12:13 |
| delinquentme_ | im making the bridge between $$$ and knowing what is going on | 12:13 |
| @kanzure | what does that mean? | 12:14 |
| delinquentme_ | those individuals who have made much money in science are those who can communicate effectively | 12:15 |
| delinquentme_ | and I'm willing to bet that individual could break it down nice and simple for a number of people | 12:15 |
| @kanzure | ok what does that have to do with bridges | 12:15 |
| delinquentme_ | follow those individuals who have made $$$ in science ... do as they've done, because there are plenty of people who can talk intelligently but I think money speaks louder than loquaciousness | 12:17 |
| delinquentme_ | =] | 12:17 |
| @kanzure | i don't know what you're going for.. meeting people with money? | 12:18 |
| delinquentme_ | more of a rule on how to locate people who are intelligent vrs those who talk the game | 12:19 |
| delinquentme_ | At least IMO if you're good at something you can make serious cash at it so listen to those people | 12:19 |
| @kanzure | ok so your goal seems to be 'make lots of money'.. you could do that lots of ways. | 12:21 |
| @kanzure | finding intelligent people is not that hard; in general this starts with talking with them, not stealing their bank account records | 12:21 |
| delinquentme_ | im saying use $$ as a filter to weed out those who talk intelligently | 12:21 |
| chris_99 | what?! | 12:21 |
| delinquentme_ | from those who are deeply competent | 12:22 |
| chris_99 | so you think only those who are really well off are intelligent, delinquentme_ ? | 12:22 |
| @kanzure | chris_99: haha. yeah i'm as confused as you are. | 12:22 |
| chris_99 | heh | 12:22 |
| delinquentme_ | well venter vrs some other random talk-w-big-words kinda scientist | 12:22 |
| delinquentme_ | who are you listening to | 12:22 |
| delinquentme_ | ? | 12:23 |
| chris_99 | you're probably better looking at google scholar and finding the number of citations | 12:23 |
| chris_99 | for someone | 12:23 |
| delinquentme_ | sure if you're looking for a theoretical physicist | 12:23 |
| @kanzure | delinquentme_: do you have someone in particular you are trying to vet? | 12:23 |
| delinquentme_ | kind of thinking out loud | 12:23 |
| @kanzure | another way to vet people is to know the topic, and then talk with them. then you'll be able to tell if they are bullshitting you. | 12:24 |
| delinquentme_ | if you're looking for an engineer whos created market value and thats what you're trying to do | 12:24 |
| delinquentme_ | follow the $$$ | 12:24 |
| delinquentme_ | perhaps thats phrased better | 12:24 |
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| @kanzure | eh whatever. i don't think that's the best way to hire engineering talent. | 12:30 |
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| @kanzure | "I am a Mars Researcher (several simulations at Mars Society Desert and Arctic Stations) and Astrobiology student here in Phoenix AZ. The area that I am working on is Predictive GIS Modeling of Past Life on Mars and Mars Analogs Sites (my honors thesis as well)." | 13:49 |
| @kanzure | gahh sorucceforge :( | 15:18 |
| @kanzure | http://sourceforge.net/projects/sqlmap/files/ | 15:18 |
| @kanzure | "Oh snap! We can't process this bitch!" | 15:19 |
| @kanzure | ugh there's .svn files in their release .tar.gz | 15:22 |
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| atum | im still thinking about this h+ roadmap - seems like the best solution would be to create a race of h+ and put them in charge of everyone else | 15:35 |
| atum | until the entire population is + | 15:35 |
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| @kanzure | atum: what do you mean "a race" ? | 15:48 |
| @kanzure | like the olympics? | 15:48 |
| @kanzure | and when you say "solution" what problem are you trying to solve? | 15:48 |
| atum | like a genetically superior group of people to direct the rest of humanity | 15:48 |
| @kanzure | what does "superior" mean in this context?? | 15:48 |
| @kanzure | and, what does "direct" mean. | 15:49 |
| atum | most humans are sort of.. idiots | 15:49 |
| atum | im sure you have notices | 15:49 |
| @kanzure | and? | 15:49 |
| atum | many of them are bleating cattle | 15:49 |
| atum | which become the tools of other humans | 15:49 |
| atum | which generally buggers things up for everyone else | 15:50 |
| @kanzure | atum: personally, i don't want to live under a hegemony | 15:50 |
| atum | me neither, but theres a lot of dead weight in civilization | 15:50 |
| atum | not the people | 15:50 |
| atum | their ideas | 15:50 |
| atum | religion and what not | 15:51 |
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| atum | thats a terrible burden on the future | 15:51 |
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| eudoxia | at first I thought you were implying we needed a race of genetically-engineered super humans to finish writing the roadmap | 15:58 |
| @kanzure | eudoxia: definitely. | 15:58 |
| atum | maybe the next one :P | 15:58 |
| atum | i was thinking cyborgs | 15:58 |
| atum | and eventually ai | 15:59 |
| @kanzure | atum: i think your plan is bad because i don't want an ai overlord | 15:59 |
| eudoxia | no love for uploads? | 15:59 |
| @kanzure | i also don't want overlords of any kind | 15:59 |
| atum | kanzure, its ok | 15:59 |
| @kanzure | no it's not | 15:59 |
| @kanzure | you're pure evil dude | 15:59 |
| atum | lol | 15:59 |
| atum | its obv that after 10k years humans are doing a terrible job at this civilization thing | 16:00 |
| atum | at the very least we need to find the ;bleeting cattle; gene | 16:00 |
| @kanzure | sorry, but this is the best civilization i'm aware of so far | 16:00 |
| atum | the one that makes 20% of the population believe whatever people tell them | 16:01 |
| @kanzure | you don't sound like a biologist, there's no "bleeting cattle gene" dude | 16:01 |
| atum | get rid of that, then you wont need religion or governent telling what people to do | 16:01 |
| @kanzure | i think you might be part of that 20% you're making up | 16:01 |
| atum | well, id like to think that its genetic | 16:01 |
| @kanzure | maybe you should study genetics first. | 16:01 |
| eudoxia | I may be an ignorant fuck but I'm not sure everything is genetic | 16:01 |
| @kanzure | before coming up with plans for world domination based on genetics. | 16:01 |
| atum | ill leave that to the nerds | 16:01 |
| yashgaroth | then please stop speculating about biology | 16:02 |
| atum | ill come up with the world domination plans | 16:02 |
| eudoxia | I mean there are only so many nucleotides you can encode things on | 16:02 |
| atum | they can do the science | 16:02 |
| @kanzure | your world domination plans suck | 16:02 |
| @kanzure | take your job seriously | 16:02 |
| atum | and yours are any better? | 16:02 |
| @kanzure | yes | 16:02 |
| @kanzure | i was going to drain the gulf of mexico and blow up the moon | 16:02 |
| eudoxia | still better than transtopia | 16:03 |
| @kanzure | atum: despite the commonly held belief, nobody has been able to show how the brain is "intelligent" | 16:03 |
| @kanzure | it's not a well understood phenomena | 16:04 |
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| @kanzure | but there's more fundamental problems here that i am having trouble pointing out to you | 16:04 |
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| @kanzure | like, for instance, you claim that everyone is an idiot, but your plans aren't entirely coherent (i.e. you fall subject to your own casted net) | 16:05 |
| atum | you have seen the average human | 16:07 |
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| chris_99 | how would you quantify intelligence atum? | 16:07 |
| atum | ? | 16:07 |
| atum | maybe im wrong but i dont think i mentioned intelligence specifically | 16:08 |
| @kanzure | 15:49 < atum> most humans are sort of.. idiots | 16:08 |
| atum | you can take that however you like | 16:09 |
| atum | are they here trying to find the future? or are they watching jersey shore | 16:09 |
| @kanzure | why are you watching jersey shore | 16:09 |
| atum | im not | 16:09 |
| atum | im here | 16:10 |
| @kanzure | ok. then stop doing that. | 16:10 |
| @kanzure | i mean, since you're not doing it, it seems like a pointless thing to start doing. | 16:10 |
| atum | exactly | 16:10 |
| @kanzure | so, i wouldn't recommend jersey shore. | 16:10 |
| @kanzure | ok. so what's your problem then ? | 16:10 |
| atum | idk, whats your problem | 16:10 |
| atum | whyd you get into h+ | 16:10 |
| @kanzure | you seem to have a jersey shore addiction :P | 16:10 |
| atum | some kind of disorder or something | 16:10 |
| atum | lol ive never seen it | 16:10 |
| @kanzure | i think my videos speak for me | 16:10 |
| atum | tl;dw | 16:11 |
| atum | can you summerise | 16:11 |
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| @kanzure | tl;didn't-kick-you oh wait yes i did | 16:11 |
| @kanzure | we sure do attract craziesi n here. | 16:11 |
| @kanzure | *in here. | 16:11 |
| strangewarp | I'm reminded of this one guy I know, who constantly talks about how he wants to become world dictator, solely to enact his banal opulent desires - because he earnestly believes that is the best possible world that he could seize | 16:12 |
| @kanzure | i wonder if, on average, we attract more crazies than other communities | 16:12 |
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| @kanzure | strangewarp: i think he's right (the best possible world that he could control is the one where he is in control) | 16:12 |
| strangewarp | in that sense, of course | 16:12 |
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| atum | i never took myself out of the loop | 16:12 |
| atum | silly | 16:12 |
| eudoxia | oh well at least the world domination crazies are less annoying than the religion crazies | 16:13 |
| atum | i suggested we need to create better people | 16:13 |
| eudoxia | oh god why do h+ religions exist | 16:13 |
| atum | and then let them use logic to decide a better course of civilization | 16:13 |
| @kanzure | eudoxia: i used to think it was because it was to troll me | 16:13 |
| @kanzure | eudoxia: unfortunately, i was wrong | 16:13 |
| atum | thats all | 16:13 |
| @kanzure | atum: i don't think any one person should control the direction of civilization | 16:13 |
| atum | becaue im dissappointed with the current one- which is my problem | 16:13 |
| @kanzure | the illusion of control is tremendous | 16:13 |
| atum | no one person no | 16:13 |
| @kanzure | atum: ok if you are disappointed then go make another one | 16:13 |
| eudoxia | technically he said them | 16:13 |
| atum | YES! | 16:14 |
| @kanzure | atum: seriously, go make another one if you are sad with this one | 16:14 |
| atum | a new civilization | 16:14 |
| @kanzure | atum: but if you try to become my master, i'll probably murder you | 16:14 |
| atum | thats the point | 16:14 |
| atum | thats the kind of cromagnum behaviour that might get weeded out | 16:14 |
| atum | oh.. you;r one of those conspiracy people | 16:15 |
| atum | nm | 16:15 |
| @kanzure | there can be more than one civilization, you know. | 16:15 |
| atum | ill just go get some coffee | 16:15 |
| @kanzure | no, i'm not a particularly paranoid person. | 16:15 |
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| strangewarp | I'm going to pull a page from the dreaded Yudkowsky, and advise atum that so far as his solution to the global stupidity problem, he has narrowed down his hypothesis-space prematurely | 16:17 |
| eudoxia | I was going to advise him to go there since SIAI always seemed like a world-domination-wannabe's group | 16:18 |
| eudoxia | "hurr durr we're here to win" | 16:19 |
| atum | isnt it possible there is a generic cure for religion? or at least a vaccine from preventing further generations from being infected | 16:19 |
| yashgaroth | no | 16:19 |
| atum | or make a drug like they give the alkies | 16:19 |
| eudoxia | but that's operating under the assumption that they take themselves seriously... | 16:19 |
| atum | so they cant get drunk or it makes them sixk | 16:19 |
| chris_99 | look @ memetics atum | 16:19 |
| @kanzure | chris_99: he'll get carried away and start making up more stuff | 16:19 |
| atum | mmm, well id like to think it would be easy to reverse the damage with memetics | 16:20 |
| @kanzure | i'm not sure religion is actually damage | 16:20 |
| @kanzure | in many cases, some of the best math and science has been by religious people | 16:20 |
| strangewarp | atum: Nope, even if you're a reductionist materialist atheist who thrives on objectivity, you can still be given some religious tendencies by the Big Universe question. Also, there is probably not a genetic way to prevent religion, and that that question had to be asked at all indicates you are working on bad information, somewhere | 16:21 |
| atum | kanzure, thats no excuse | 16:21 |
| eudoxia | hey, guys, maybe memetics turns out to be total bunk | 16:21 |
| @kanzure | eudoxia: for sure | 16:21 |
| @kanzure | eudoxia: but what about my phd in 4chanstudies!!!11one | 16:21 |
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| eudoxia | frankly I don't know why so many people are so focused on religion | 16:22 |
| atum | its in the way of progress.. look at the middle east,. getting religion would tidy that area up and bring it into the 19th century | 16:23 |
| atum | people in afganistan might even adopt what we call in the west a ;door' | 16:23 |
| eudoxia | but even then, surely religion is a symptom of some underlying thing, as opposed to a cause | 16:23 |
| @kanzure | eudoxia: i blame reddit | 16:23 |
| strangewarp | these do seem like reddit people lately, don't they? | 16:23 |
| @kanzure | there are millions of these people just angry about religion and with all these misunderstandings about science or transhumanism | 16:24 |
| @kanzure | it's not my job to clean up the mess | 16:24 |
| @kanzure | or, rather, /that/ particular mess | 16:24 |
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| eudoxia | atum: I should warn you that traditionally, attempts to create a transhuman civilization have failed | 16:27 |
| eudoxia | historically being the transtopia island project nonsense | 16:27 |
| eudoxia | i mean 'traditionally' | 16:28 |
| atum | its not like things are getting any better for the current civilization | 16:28 |
| atum | so any change might be a good thing | 16:28 |
| eudoxia | I was going to dispute that but then I saw the 'might', so I guess that's fair | 16:30 |
| eudoxia | just, whatever, as long as you don't form a transhuman religion or try to install the homo superior ruling class | 16:30 |
| @kanzure | eudoxia: that sounds like a good rule in general | 16:30 |
| @kanzure | No master races. | 16:31 |
| eudoxia | thanks kanz | 16:31 |
| @kanzure | no world hegemonies | 16:31 |
| eudoxia | no transhuman religions | 16:31 |
| atum | no gods no masters! | 16:31 |
| @kanzure | huh? you were just arguing for a "genetically superior master race" a few minutes ago | 16:31 |
| strangewarp | atum: Be wary; because most people are not transhumanists, they see the doomy tendencies of this decade as the start of what they believe to have always been an inevitable descent into barbarism and apocalypse. And the mood and timbre of the resulting media and conversations is serving to impact even transhumanists. | 16:31 |
| @kanzure | you're inconsistent atum. | 16:31 |
| atum | maybe not. i was thinking of humanity passing through a h+ filter and coming out the otherside without the desire to be ruled, or rule each other | 16:33 |
| atum | which i see as the overall flaw in the currenct civliziation | 16:33 |
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| chris_99 | so you want to brainwash people? | 16:39 |
| atum | no, i want to undo brainwashing | 16:50 |
| atum | braincleaning | 16:50 |
| atum | rebraining | 16:50 |
| atum | something | 16:50 |
| yashgaroth | brain...'washing', perhaps | 16:52 |
| @kanzure | yashgaroth: you're a genius. | 16:53 |
| yashgaroth | I made it up myself, has a nice ring to it | 16:54 |
| chris_99 | hehe | 16:57 |
| atum | i suppose you are correct, but it is preferable to just killing them | 17:00 |
| atum | kinder gentler futures all around | 17:01 |
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| docl | I bet there's low tech ways to do that. specially designed video games maybe. | 19:09 |
| docl | but even so... if you're looking for moral high ground it's gonna be very hard to find. anything powerful enough to destroy religion is probably going to be unethical to use. | 19:11 |
| @kanzure | docl: in general, i would prefer that he doesn't get supreme authority to edit my brain :p | 19:14 |
| docl | welll yeeah | 19:16 |
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| @kanzure | "As an example, using translate3d to move an element offscreen is tremendously faster than setting its display to 'none'" | 19:40 |
| @kanzure | mobile development is so fucked up. | 19:41 |
| @kanzure | http://friendsdontletfriendsjqm.tumblr.com/ | 19:42 |
| atum | docl, morality is for dorks | 19:46 |
| atum | what is it that the %1 have? is it just money? or are they the 'alphas' of society | 19:52 |
| atum | how can we tap into that for the everyman | 19:52 |
| @kanzure | what do you mean 1%? | 19:53 |
| @kanzure | what measurement are you talking about | 19:53 |
| atum | nm, ttyl | 19:53 |
| strangewarp | "morality" tends to be a meaningless term; but I'm not convinced violent cognitive revolution is anywhere near required to accomplish transhuman projects | 19:58 |
| strangewarp | Maybe if you assume the entire world is actively trying to be Iran or Mississippi, then sure | 19:59 |
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| atum | kanzure, lets make 'tigerblood' and give humans 'adonis dna' | 20:08 |
| atum | is what i ment by 1%, a small fraction of the population | 20:08 |
| yashgaroth | wtf | 20:09 |
| atum | oh you guys are all sciency | 20:10 |
| atum | can i put xanax in my coffee | 20:10 |
| yashgaroth | feel free | 20:11 |
| atum | werd | 20:11 |
| strangewarp | atum: I think transhuman seperatism is a pretty inoffensive idea, but militarist transhuman seperatism based on wonky dogma in particular could go pretty spectacularly badly.. | 20:17 |
| strangewarp | Do note, I am trying to parse the weird things you're saying in a manner that gives you the benefit of the doubt, here | 20:18 |
| atum | cool, me too | 20:23 |
| @kanzure | this has been going south all night | 20:24 |
| atum | i started off by saying create a group of h+ that might be above the usual human failings | 20:24 |
| @kanzure | atum: how about you go read 'the molecular genetics of the cell' | 20:24 |
| atum | and they can use logic to help guide civilization | 20:24 |
| atum | sounds interesting | 20:24 |
| @kanzure | you should go read things, so you can be less wron-- oh shit | 20:24 |
| atum | reading is kind of boring though | 20:25 |
| atum | tbh | 20:25 |
| yashgaroth | well I'm sure you'll be very useful then | 20:25 |
| @kanzure | fff | 20:25 |
| @kanzure | atum: hire a hooker to give you a blow job for every paper you read | 20:25 |
| atum | i always feel like i should be doing something productive | 20:25 |
| @kanzure | you'll be winning nobel prizes in no time | 20:25 |
| atum | instead of sitting on my ass with my nose in a book | 20:25 |
| atum | oh man | 20:25 |
| atum | apparently they give the peace price to anyone | 20:26 |
| atum | kissinger? obama? | 20:26 |
| atum | the fuck | 20:26 |
| @kanzure | those aren't "just anyone" | 20:26 |
| atum | http://thepiratebay.se/search/the%20molecular%20genetics%20of%20the%20cell/0/99/0 | 20:28 |
| atum | not showing anything | 20:28 |
| atum | you got a better link? | 20:28 |
| @kanzure | i dunno, read shit in here: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bio/ | 20:28 |
| atum | kanzure, is that the meaning of your life- to win some kind of prize | 20:31 |
| @kanzure | what?? no of course not | 20:32 |
| @kanzure | what the fuck man | 20:32 |
| atum | tomorrow is my last day of highschool, and i dont have any real direction. currently im looking into becoming a rapper | 20:32 |
| jrayhawk | unless that prize is hookers | 20:32 |
| atum | kanzure> you'll be winning nobel prizes in no time | 20:32 |
| @kanzure | that message contained very high levels of sarcasm | 20:33 |
| @kanzure | and was only meant in the context of my previous message about hookers | 20:33 |
| atum | o i c | 20:34 |
| atum | i must have ignored that line | 20:34 |
| yashgaroth | even without that line as context it was still pretty obvious | 20:35 |
| strangewarp | Rapping, hmm | 20:36 |
| strangewarp | I wanted to be a rapper in my teens, and in hindsight it was a ridiculous decision - of course, I'm back in music now, just not rap.. | 20:37 |
| @kanzure | strangewarp: this has been stuck in my head for the past week.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ai1yagSvUUI | 20:38 |
| * strangewarp clicks | 20:39 | |
| strangewarp | ha! I remember that skit | 20:39 |
| atum | whats different between rappping being rediculous and being into music now | 20:51 |
| atum | what even that means | 20:51 |
| strangewarp | Rap can be pretty interesing - it isn't being into it that's ridiculous, it's aspiring to be a successful rap musician. Unless of course you're an extremely talented freestyle poet, or particularly good with a hostile audience, in which case you may have a shot.. | 20:52 |
| atum | hey | 20:53 |
| atum | maybe... | 20:53 |
| atum | really i just use rap as an euphenism for production, but I dont figure the avg person would know what that means | 20:55 |
| atum | my fault for forgetting im not around avg ppl | 20:55 |
| atum | amirite | 20:55 |
| @kanzure | are you yenatch | 20:55 |
| strangewarp | Ah, production can be pretty lucrative, but I don't know much about the business end of it | 20:56 |
| jrayhawk | that's right; we're much better at self-aggrandizing than normal people | 20:56 |
| atum | i didnt even know there were real transhumanists until last month or so | 20:56 |
| @kanzure | you seem to think it's a group of people who want to take over the human race | 20:57 |
| @kanzure | i assure you that this observation is wrong | 20:57 |
| atum | no | 20:57 |
| @kanzure | and/or if there are people that really want to do that, they probably self-organize in some other way (or possibly not at all) | 20:58 |
| atum | you misunderstood this from the beginning | 20:58 |
| atum | I want to create a group of people to take over the world | 20:58 |
| atum | that are better then I | 20:58 |
| atum | more qualified than anyone | 20:58 |
| @kanzure | how is that not hegemony? | 20:58 |
| atum | let them decide | 20:58 |
| atum | who knows | 20:58 |
| atum | whats best | 20:58 |
| atum | i dont want to standardize the population | 20:59 |
| strangewarp | It does not require superior brains to arrive at objective facts, you know | 20:59 |
| atum | or iron out human differences | 20:59 |
| atum | no | 20:59 |
| atum | but its like chess | 20:59 |
| atum | you have to think as many possible moves ahead | 21:00 |
| atum | or azamov's 'psychohistory' | 21:00 |
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| @kanzure | atum: psychohistory has nothing to do with ruling the wrld | 21:02 |
| atum | tell me more | 21:02 |
| eudoxia | this shit is still going on | 21:02 |
| @kanzure | eudoxia: i blame me | 21:03 |
| yashgaroth | I should've used those ops yesterday | 21:03 |
| strangewarp | When I was in my teens, I also wanted to create a vanguard of enlightened elites who would change the world, by force if need be | 21:05 |
| strangewarp | Luckily, I based it all on silly mysticism, and I realized my mistake before I did anything too ridiculous | 21:05 |
| yashgaroth | lenin? | 21:05 |
| yashgaroth | oh | 21:05 |
| @kanzure | yashgaroth: no, we don't have lenin in this channel | 21:05 |
| @kanzure | i asked him once, but he said something incomprehensible in russian | 21:06 |
| @kanzure | erm, wait | 21:06 |
| @kanzure | maybe that was just vladimir leninstov.. | 21:06 |
| strangewarp | It was a double mistake really; the mistake of mysticism plus the mistake of the warlike vanguard | 21:07 |
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| strangewarp | It seems H+ is becoming a peaceful vanguard movement, by default... and that's probably okay | 21:13 |
| @kanzure | what? | 21:15 |
| strangewarp | hmm.. sorry, meaningless observation | 21:15 |
| @kanzure | it seems to be "people trying to stop everyone else from misinterpreting what it means" rather than "people doing transhumanist projects" | 21:15 |
| strangewarp | I guess labels do escape, to be re-used differently, for better or worse (usually worse) | 21:21 |
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| @kanzure | http://www.neme-s.org/Shaper%20Books/Machine%20Shop%20Series/Machine%20Shop%20Mathematics.pdf | 23:35 |
| @kanzure | damn what a poorly scanned book | 23:36 |
| @kanzure | http://www.neme-s.org/Shaper%20Books/Machine%20Shop%20Series/Machine%20Shop%20Operations.pdf | 23:37 |
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