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| delinquentme | Kettner Griswold (19, Bethesda, MD) and Paul Sebexen (19, Staten Island, NY) are stopping out of school to work on a benchtop genome synthesis device, which will allow individual laboratories and medical practices to synthesize large genetic constructs in-house for an unprecedented low recurring cost. This product would massively disrupt the fields of biotechnology and health care, fueling innovation and stimulating inte | 03:32 |
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| delinquentme | rest and research sector-wide. | 03:32 |
| delinquentme | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | 03:46 |
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| Tukotih | Damn, that sounds awesome. | 04:48 |
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| cluckj | kanzure, thanks for transcribing again | 05:36 |
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| cluckj | I hate that I don't have the money to go to those conferences, yet | 05:50 |
| cluckj | I did get a little research fellowship to do fieldwork :) | 05:52 |
| cluckj | doesn't start until september | 05:52 |
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| Dr_Patrick | conferences are just a circle jerk and breeding oppertunity | 07:38 |
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| @kanzure | hi chido | 07:46 |
| @kanzure | cluckj: actually they are paying for us | 07:46 |
| @kanzure | Dr_Patrick: it's not that bad | 07:46 |
| chido | hi kanzure | 07:46 |
| @kanzure | delinquentme: yes, i know about kettner. totally not interested in him. | 07:47 |
| cluckj | whaaaaaaat | 07:59 |
| cluckj | I need to get in on that | 07:59 |
| cluckj | how was/is the conference going, anyway? | 08:12 |
| Dr_Patrick | lots of beer | 08:15 |
| Dr_Patrick | and pasty white dudes | 08:15 |
| cluckj | I think that only accounts for about half? | 08:20 |
| Dr_Patrick | lol | 08:21 |
| Dr_Patrick | the other half is whisky coke and hookers | 08:22 |
| cluckj | whisky isn't people | 08:24 |
| Dr_Patrick | my best friend is whisky | 08:25 |
| @kanzure | going ok | 08:25 |
| Dr_Patrick | you take that back | 08:25 |
| @kanzure | we're not white dudes we're whitenecks | 08:25 |
| Dr_Patrick | lol | 08:25 |
| gnusha_ | diyhpluswiki.git: 9d5dba7 minor typo fix | 08:29 |
| cluckj | anyway, the conference is run by the fbi and not the secret service, so there are probably no hookers | 08:29 |
| Dr_Patrick | first time? | 08:30 |
| cluckj | I'm going to file a FOIA request for stuff on diy bio from the fbi...hopefully I'll get stuff before my dissertation is done | 08:30 |
| Dr_Patrick | fbi goes with hookers and coke like, hookers and coke | 08:30 |
| Dr_Patrick | pretty much the whole govt | 08:30 |
| cluckj | I see | 08:31 |
| Dr_Patrick | once you're in, you're 'in' | 08:31 |
| Dr_Patrick | you think that old guy in california was having a 'seizure' | 08:31 |
| Dr_Patrick | and crashed his car twice | 08:31 |
| Dr_Patrick | what was he head of the SEC or something | 08:31 |
| Dr_Patrick | Its good to be king, its even better in the west where we can all get a turn on the throne | 08:32 |
| @kanzure | cluckj: also file a FOIA request on 'bryan bishop' please | 08:32 |
| cluckj | kanzure are there any new people from new groups there? I'm putting together my field sites and I have Boston, NYC, BioCurious, Austin, Chicago, and if I can get travel funding, Ireland to see Cathal | 08:33 |
| cluckj | lol | 08:33 |
| cluckj | alright | 08:33 |
| @kanzure | cluckj: there's way more than that | 08:33 |
| cluckj | ...awesome | 08:34 |
| @kanzure | singapore, brazil, germany, the netherlands, denmark, france, newcastle, manchester uk, geneva (aww yeah), switzerland in general, bangalore, a few others | 08:35 |
| @kanzure | oh also, vancouver | 08:35 |
| cluckj | nice | 08:35 |
| Dr_Patrick | FOIA got bought out by booz allen hamilton | 08:35 |
| cluckj | oh yeah vancouver! | 08:35 |
| Dr_Patrick | its now a private industry :P | 08:35 |
| cluckj | I met one of the guys who is running it at BOSSLAB | 08:35 |
| @kanzure | there's also more domestic groups that you're forgetting, like seattle, san diego, LA (how could you forget LA?) | 08:35 |
| @kanzure | cluckj: avery? | 08:36 |
| cluckj | Kris | 08:36 |
| cluckj | constable? | 08:36 |
| cluckj | yeah | 08:36 |
| @kanzure | kris constable isn't running bosslab | 08:36 |
| cluckj | I mean he's running vancouver | 08:36 |
| @kanzure | no that's derek jacoby | 08:37 |
| cluckj | he was at bosslab during my last visit | 08:37 |
| cluckj | okay | 08:37 |
| @kanzure | http://biospace.ca/ | 08:37 |
| cluckj | :P kris is a media contact | 08:38 |
| cluckj | http://www.biospace.ca/blog/ | 08:38 |
| cluckj | hmm hitting all those west coast groups is going to be tricky | 08:39 |
| Dr_Patrick | http://www.myspace.com/bosslab | 08:41 |
| @kanzure | Dr_Patrick: no.. http://bosslab.org/ | 08:41 |
| Dr_Patrick | I saw that one first. | 08:42 |
| Dr_Patrick | Suprised they dont have a decent site, with all the nerd energyy | 08:42 |
| Dr_Patrick | I guess web presense isnt that important | 08:42 |
| @kanzure | they did have a decent site until avery changed it | 08:42 |
| @kanzure | now it looks like poo :( | 08:43 |
| @kanzure | i don't like my sites looking like poo | 08:43 |
| cluckj | Dr_Patrick are you involved in diy bio? | 08:45 |
| Dr_Patrick | yes | 08:46 |
| cluckj | what do you do and where do you do it? | 08:46 |
| Dr_Patrick | Mostly research until i get my workshop operational | 08:47 |
| Dr_Patrick | A lot of it is philosophy | 08:48 |
| Dr_Patrick | the 'why' and 'where' | 08:48 |
| Dr_Patrick | also 'psychographic profiling' | 08:49 |
| Dr_Patrick | where we took the genome and compared it to peoples 'fbi' file | 08:50 |
| Dr_Patrick | and then compiled a database of information which can be used by corporations for marketing (one example) | 08:50 |
| Dr_Patrick | Basicaly it gives them the ablility to offer products or services to people at or before the time themselves realise they need / want it. | 08:51 |
| Dr_Patrick | the human robot is quite a fascinating machine | 08:52 |
| cluckj | hah | 08:52 |
| Dr_Patrick | Now that I think about it, Azimov was on to somethign with his Foundation series. | 08:54 |
| cluckj | did you find out anything interesting by linking those data sets? | 08:54 |
| Dr_Patrick | it gives them the ablility to offer products or services to people at or before the time themselves realise they need / want it. | 08:54 |
| Dr_Patrick | you gain a probability of action | 08:55 |
| cluckj | :P I mean did you | 08:55 |
| cluckj | not who you were doing the research for | 08:55 |
| Dr_Patrick | depends on how you see the glass | 08:56 |
| cluckj | depends on the day I guess? | 08:57 |
| Dr_Patrick | I guess i should say, technology is as how its used by its masters. Lets just hope the good guys keep winning. | 09:00 |
| cluckj | is that optimistic or cynical? | 09:03 |
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| Dr_Patrick | depends on the day I guess? | 09:05 |
| cluckj | hah, sorry if I'm being obtuse | 09:05 |
| cluckj | it's a job hazard | 09:06 |
| Dr_Patrick | same | 09:06 |
| cluckj | I am an anthropologist | 09:07 |
| Dr_Patrick | oh, well. Until western civilization finishes collapsing, we should be ok | 09:07 |
| cluckj | hahaha | 09:07 |
| Dr_Patrick | unless someone comes along with a replacement ;) | 09:07 |
| cluckj | we here at Social Science, Inc. are working hard on that | 09:08 |
| Dr_Patrick | :P | 09:08 |
| Dr_Patrick | Thats on H street | 09:09 |
| Dr_Patrick | I know the building | 09:09 |
| cluckj | world bank? | 09:09 |
| Dr_Patrick | lol | 09:10 |
| Dr_Patrick | I was thinking of some other place actually | 09:10 |
| Dr_Patrick | its got a name like Social Science, Inc | 09:10 |
| Dr_Patrick | ive got a pic of it somewhere | 09:11 |
| cluckj | hahaha seriously? | 09:11 |
| Dr_Patrick | 'Institute for Behavioural Change and Research" | 09:12 |
| Dr_Patrick | and it is on H street | 09:12 |
| cluckj | weird | 09:13 |
| cluckj | a think tank, I assume? | 09:13 |
| Dr_Patrick | its a front for a religious group iirc | 09:13 |
| Dr_Patrick | or fronts as a front for religion | 09:14 |
| Dr_Patrick | I should say | 09:14 |
| cluckj | my statement still stands | 09:14 |
| Dr_Patrick | turtles all the way down | 09:14 |
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| cluckj | indeed | 09:14 |
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| Dr_Patrick | cluckj, http://i.imgur.com/ko7qx.jpg | 09:21 |
| cluckj | http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/31/AR2009033101712.html | 09:22 |
| cluckj | heh. | 09:22 |
| Dr_Patrick | gotta pay for that hookes and blow somehow | 09:23 |
| Dr_Patrick | like I said a front for a front | 09:24 |
| Dr_Patrick | :P | 09:24 |
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| cluckj | seems like it | 09:25 |
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| cluckj | also nice google maps screenshot :) | 09:27 |
| Dr_Patrick | tyvm | 09:28 |
| cluckj | :P | 09:30 |
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| @kanzure | umm: hi! i am behind you. | 09:43 |
| umm | thanks for the remedial tutorial | 09:46 |
| @kanzure | http://oig.hhs.gov/exclusions/downloadables/updatedleie.exe | 09:48 |
| @kanzure | http://oig.hhs.gov/exclusions/downloadables/updatedleie.zip | 09:48 |
| cluckj | what is that? | 09:53 |
| @kanzure | cluckj: exclusionary list for dna synthesis companies | 09:54 |
| cluckj | banned dna? | 09:55 |
| cluckj | or persons? | 09:56 |
| @kanzure | persons | 09:57 |
| cluckj | interesting... | 09:57 |
| cluckj | making exclusion lists are pretty common governing techniques | 10:02 |
| cluckj | I didn't realize the HHS had one too | 10:02 |
| gnusha_ | diyhpluswiki.git: 4c48e22 dna screening | 10:04 |
| gnusha_ | diyhpluswiki.git: 276aa59 marc juul | 10:04 |
| gnusha_ | diyhpluswiki.git: 1276c06 more dna synthesis screening stuff | 10:04 |
| gnusha_ | diyhpluswiki.git: 3a984d4 more power | 10:04 |
| @kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/fbi-diybio-2012/howard-simon-dna20.txt | 10:08 |
| @kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/fbi-diybio-2012/max-hodack-gene-synthesis.txt | 10:08 |
| @kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/fbi-diybio-2012/marc-juul.txt | 10:08 |
| @kanzure | http://diybio.org/2012/06/12/gogofuge/ | 10:09 |
| gnusha_ | diyhpluswiki.git: 77f0b0c minor typofix | 10:15 |
| cluckj | thanks for the transcriptions | 10:16 |
| cluckj | "Imagine if we found a boom in biotech like we did in the PC revolution, where the order between amateurs/professional gets blurred, then yes it's blurry, it's even beginning now, but it's..." | 10:23 |
| cluckj | :o | 10:23 |
| cluckj | hello dissertation chapter | 10:24 |
| @kanzure | oh please. everyone keeps saying that. | 10:25 |
| @kanzure | "homebrew computer revolution!!!111oneoneone" | 10:25 |
| cluckj | lol | 10:25 |
| cluckj | I know everyone is saying it, that's why it's interesting | 10:25 |
| cluckj | I think that the homebrew computer revolution has some similarities, but it's not the same thing as diy bio | 10:26 |
| cluckj | I was doing some reading up on the history of amateur science and diy bio is more like the emergence of Victorian archaeology than homebrew computers | 10:27 |
| _Sketch_ | I've been waiting since 2000 for a $50 computer, though. Woo RasPi. ;p | 10:27 |
| _Sketch_ | (I'm including parts) | 10:27 |
| cluckj | my point anyway, is that the homebrew computer stuff was so successful at what it did, that people are using it as leverage for what the biohacker stuff might do | 10:31 |
| cluckj | that's why people keep using it, even though it's not exactly the same thing | 10:31 |
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| yash-phone | juul: good talk | 10:41 |
| Juul | yash-phone, thanks :) | 10:41 |
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| gnusha_ | diyhpluswiki.git: 65ef68c some outreach stuff | 11:47 |
| gnusha_ | diyhpluswiki.git: da2d23b more media stuff | 11:47 |
| gnusha_ | diyhpluswiki.git: 75c9112 sascha karberg | 11:47 |
| gnusha_ | diyhpluswiki.git: c586f42 more stuff | 11:47 |
| @kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/fbi-diybio-2012/dan-grushkin-genspace.txt | 11:48 |
| @kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/fbi-diybio-2012/julie-sohn-fbi-outreach.txt | 11:48 |
| @kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/fbi-diybio-2012/rachael-turner-madlab.txt | 11:48 |
| @kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/fbi-diybio-2012/sascha-karberg.txt | 11:48 |
| @kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/fbi-diybio-2012/outreach-session.txt | 11:48 |
| Dr_Patrick | tell us about the joint terrorism taskforce kanzure | 11:57 |
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| @kanzure | "DENIED PERSON LIST" | 13:40 |
| @kanzure | http://www.bis.doc.gov/dpl/dpl.txt | 13:40 |
| Mokbortolan_ | weird | 13:42 |
| Mokbortolan_ | lot of chinese names in there | 13:42 |
| Mokbortolan_ | and arbaic | 13:42 |
| Mokbortolan_ | arabic | 13:42 |
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| @kanzure | Mokbortolan_: the HHS list is the one the DNA synthesis companies are using | 13:47 |
| @kanzure | i'm currently running some stats | 13:47 |
| @kanzure | Number of individuals:49262 | 13:47 |
| @kanzure | Number of businesses:2792 | 13:47 |
| Mokbortolan_ | why are they denied? is this a sensitive sort of thing? | 13:50 |
| @kanzure | http://www.genesynthesisconsortium.org/ | 13:50 |
| @kanzure | Mokbortolan_: not sure yet | 13:50 |
| Mokbortolan_ | oh, I guess anything with biotech can be linked to bioterror | 13:51 |
| @kanzure | http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/SDN-List/Pages/default.aspx | 13:51 |
| @kanzure | http://www.treasury.gov/ofac/downloads/sdnlist.txt | 13:52 |
| @kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/hhs_businesses.txt is some excluded companies | 14:01 |
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| @kanzure | chido: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/diybio/leie.py | 14:26 |
| @kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/diybio/leie.csv | 14:26 |
| @kanzure | businesses excluded from the DNA consortium: | 14:27 |
| @kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/diybio/businesses.txt | 14:27 |
| @kanzure | individuals with "no affiliations" | 14:27 |
| @kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/diybio/no-affiliations.txt | 14:27 |
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| @kanzure | the "BRCH CIA" one is interesting | 14:35 |
| cluckj | yes it is | 14:38 |
| cluckj | so I did some searching and it looks like some of the names on the list were convicted of heath claim fraud | 14:38 |
| cluckj | is the biotech industry using these lists as-is for denying sales? | 14:38 |
| Dr_Patrick | john birch | 14:42 |
| cluckj | could be "branch cia" | 14:43 |
| cluckj | can you figure out whose name that is associated with? | 14:43 |
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| @kanzure | DTRA has asked me to not post the transcripts | 14:57 |
| cluckj | DTRA? | 14:59 |
| Dr_Patrick | well i guess thats your call then | 15:00 |
| @kanzure | that's not my call.. that's the department of defense | 15:02 |
| cluckj | lol | 15:02 |
| cluckj | which transcripts? | 15:02 |
| Dr_Patrick | kanzure, they ask a lot of people to do a lot of shit, you could put them on pastebin anon | 15:03 |
| Dr_Patrick | if you think theyll get mad | 15:03 |
| cluckj | like all of them? or just some sessions? | 15:05 |
| gnusha_ | diyhpluswiki.git: 197e28a la biohackers | 15:09 |
| @kanzure | cluckj: all of them from the DTRA session | 15:09 |
| @kanzure | (the DTRA session doesn't exist yet) | 15:10 |
| cluckj | :o | 15:10 |
| cluckj | that's kinda creepy | 15:10 |
| @kanzure | well it's the military. | 15:10 |
| @kanzure | so, yes it's creepy. | 15:10 |
| cluckj | :) | 15:10 |
| gnusha_ | diyhpluswiki.git: 385a8cd remove address | 15:11 |
| cluckj | I wonder what kinds of super top secret shit they will be telling you about | 15:12 |
| cluckj | gotta sign an NDA first? | 15:12 |
| Dr_Patrick | nothing | 15:12 |
| Dr_Patrick | its just bs | 15:12 |
| cluckj | well duh | 15:12 |
| Dr_Patrick | especially comeing from the dtra | 15:12 |
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| cluckj | now I'm really interested in what the dtra has to say to diy bio | 15:16 |
| gnusha_ | diyhpluswiki.git: ff70765 brian degger | 15:18 |
| gnusha_ | diyhpluswiki.git: a638417 more brian degger | 15:18 |
| @kanzure | cluckj: they have this thing organized for 3 min lightening talks tonight | 15:18 |
| @kanzure | no NDA yet | 15:18 |
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| cluckj | lol | 15:18 |
| Dr_Patrick | lightening talks can be hit or miss | 15:19 |
| Dr_Patrick | depends on how drunk everyone is | 15:19 |
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| jrayhawk | your realtime-transcripting typo rate is impressively low nowadays | 15:35 |
| gnusha_ | diyhpluswiki.git: d96e749 rudiger trojok | 15:40 |
| gnusha_ | diyhpluswiki.git: 2a2d7fd helseinki | 15:40 |
| gnusha_ | diyhpluswiki.git: f2f7aaa another update | 15:40 |
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| gnusha_ | diyhpluswiki.git: f764b0c a product pitch ugh | 16:17 |
| gnusha_ | diyhpluswiki.git: 8042140 biologigaragen | 16:17 |
| gnusha_ | diyhpluswiki.git: cc63497 san diego | 16:17 |
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| @kanzure | jrayhawk: whattt? low? | 16:17 |
| @kanzure | oh typo rate | 16:18 |
| @kanzure | yeah i think that might be because when i hit keys from a certain position, the keys get stuck | 16:18 |
| @kanzure | and other finger/key interception vectors cause it to not be stuck or something | 16:18 |
| jrayhawk | yeah, that was pretty funny for a while; it looked like you'd get extremely frequent strokes while trying to transcribe things | 16:19 |
| jrayhawk | or perhaps the subjects of said transcriptions were getting strokes | 16:19 |
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| gnusha_ | diyhpluswiki.git: a0a965f berlin, germany | 16:31 |
| @kanzure | jrayhawk: i cannot presently confirm or deny whether or not i am experiencing a stroke | 16:32 |
| @kanzure | chido: that tdcs project is from _F7_ (whenever he shows up in here, grr) | 16:40 |
| @kanzure | chido: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/ultrasound/ | 16:41 |
| chido | kanzure: https://brmlab.cz/project/brain_hacking/tdcs | 16:44 |
| jrayhawk | i can confirm that i am not currentlllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll | 16:45 |
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| @kanzure | "Know folding is very important becouse change the current distirbution and effect of tDCS mainly depends on orientation of neuronal structures to the DC vector . For now is not looking good for DIY tDCS projects this sentence desciping problem prety well: Individual variability of the human cerebral cortex is a source of both fascination and frustration." | 16:47 |
| @kanzure | "50 brains of the ICBM database processed by BrainVISA after alignement in Talairach space" | 16:47 |
| @kanzure | "some part is more variable than other this info cam be used to aproximate the field orintation to neurones on this areas" | 16:47 |
| @kanzure | "The current flow generally follows the path of least electrical impedance. Consequently, compared to the isotropic model, current flow along theWMfibers in the anisotropic model is denser and follows the fiber orientation. In some cases the channeling of current along WM fiber tracts increases the local E-field strength, but in other cases this effect is offset by the lower impedance along the fibers, leading to reduced E-field strength. The curre | 16:47 |
| jrayhawk | fun with markov chains? | 16:47 |
| @kanzure | chido: kudos for doing the brain models for this, i was having trouble finding any working models for this | 16:48 |
| @kanzure | Polarity-Sensitive Modulation of Cortical Neurotransmitters by Transcranial Stimulation | 16:48 |
| @kanzure | http://www.jneurosci.org/content/29/16/5202.full.pdf+html | 16:48 |
| @kanzure | https://brmlab.cz/project/brain_hacking/tdcs/pfc | 16:48 |
| @kanzure | http://interstitiality.net/BD/brainEngDiagram.html | 16:49 |
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| gnusha_ | diyhpluswiki.git: 083af3c arc | 16:51 |
| gnusha_ | diyhpluswiki.git: e1f9080 metu in turkey | 16:51 |
| @kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/fbi-diybio-2012/berlin.txt | 16:54 |
| @kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/fbi-diybio-2012/biologigaragen.txt | 16:54 |
| @kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/fbi-diybio-2012/brian-degger.txt | 16:54 |
| @kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/fbi-diybio-2012/finnish.txt | 16:54 |
| @kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/fbi-diybio-2012/jacob-shiach.txt | 16:54 |
| @kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/fbi-diybio-2012/metu-biogene.txt | 16:54 |
| @kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/fbi-diybio-2012/romie-littrell.txt | 16:54 |
| @kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/fbi-diybio-2012/rudiger-trojok.txt | 16:54 |
| @kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/fbi-diybio-2012/sascha-karberg.txt | 16:54 |
| @kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/fbi-diybio-2012/synbiota.txt | 16:54 |
| @kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/fbi-diybio-2012/todd-san-diego.txt | 16:54 |
| ybit2 | dumb ass thoughts for the day | 16:57 |
| ybit2 | artificial neurons | 16:58 |
| ybit2 | interfacing with the brain with more precision than MEAs or optogenetics... | 16:59 |
| ybit2 | i don't know the better path for this, synbio or molecular nanotech | 17:00 |
| ybit2 | i don't have enough experience or reading time, i suppose, to know better | 17:01 |
| ybit2 | so recommendations and thoughts welcome... | 17:01 |
| ybit2 | trout slapping allowed | 17:01 |
| gnusha_ | diyhpluswiki.git: 1a7a811 london hackspace | 17:04 |
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| azonenberg | ok, this is cool http://imgur.com/GoK52 | 19:55 |
| azonenberg | that's the road paint on a sidewalk | 19:55 |
| azonenberg | outside some major biotech company | 19:55 |
| azonenberg | not sure whihc one | 19:55 |
| @kanzure | ybit2: trout slapping commencing | 20:44 |
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| @kanzure | good night | 23:36 |
| chido | night | 23:40 |
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