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| brownies | any of you know of a website/software where i could drill/practice mental math? | 02:57 |
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| Coornail | you could probably practice using spaced repetation | 02:58 |
| Coornail | create flashcards | 02:58 |
| Coornail | you can do that automatically | 02:58 |
| Coornail | and use mnemosyne to practice | 02:58 |
| Coornail | or something else | 02:58 |
| foucist | real men recognize that SRS/flashcards just ain't a complete solution.. ARRRR | 03:00 |
| foucist | brownies: can't the app that you've been working on help you drill that? | 03:01 |
| foucist | scratch your own itch, eat your own poop, etc.. all the famous startup sayings! | 03:01 |
| brownies | foucist: yeah, we kinda iterated to the point where we're now building a general solution to teach all the things to all the people | 03:03 |
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| Coornail | that will surely work | 03:03 |
| brownies | Coornail: our strategy is foolproof! unfortunately, there's a lot of fools. | 03:05 |
| foucist | brownies: that's my startup | 03:07 |
| foucist | you trying to compete with me?! | 03:07 |
| brownies | what do you mean "trying to" ? | 03:07 |
| brownies | foucist: heh, what are you up to these days man | 03:08 |
| foucist | actually right now i'm dealing with my pinterest killer.. will do that in a week and then back to the learning app .. so you betta watch out! | 03:08 |
| foucist | heh | 03:09 |
| Coornail | =) | 03:09 |
| brownies | Coornail: anyway, i just want to do mental math drills for time... don't even need spaced repetition nonsense, i should just be able to pick the difficulty level | 03:11 |
| brownies | hell, i could build this... *right now* | 03:11 |
| * brownies fires up the editor | 03:11 | |
| Coornail | what kind of examples you want to solve? | 03:12 |
| Coornail | addition, multiplication? | 03:12 |
| brownies | squares, maybe | 03:13 |
| brownies | simple algebra, might as well... completing the square, why not | 03:13 |
| brownies | oooh, actually, doing numerical integration would be a nice catch-all | 03:13 |
| brownies | ....this is escalating quickly. | 03:13 |
| brownies | Coornail: i'd settle for just something that simple, if it exists | 03:14 |
| Coornail | well you could just generate tons of random exercises and plug it into mnemosyne | 03:14 |
| Coornail | that is why I mentioned spaced repetation | 03:15 |
| Coornail | not like you'd have to repeat the tasks, but the software is perfect for something like that | 03:15 |
| sylph_mako | I wrote a command line thing for doing simple ops in hex. | 03:16 |
| sylph_mako | I'm yet to do a simple op in hex. | 03:16 |
| brownies | Coornail: yea but why involve mnemosyne? seems like a sledgehammer for such a simple problem | 03:17 |
| Coornail | maybe it could be a gateway-flashcard, and you'd start using it more =D | 03:18 |
| Coornail | I don't know, I'm just trying to solve the problem with the least effort | 03:18 |
| Coornail | I'm lazy | 03:18 |
| brownies | yeah, but i don't have mnemosyne, and somehow i'm convinced that it'd be easier for me to code the whole thing than to download and learn mnemosyne =P | 03:19 |
| foucist | mnemosyne/anki are fairly straightforward, but you'd still need to generate flashcards | 03:20 |
| foucist | i find there's a bunch of disadvantages with the current flashcard/srs systems | 03:20 |
| foucist | i will be rectifying those problems in my Amazing New Learning Web App That Everyone Will Love | 03:21 |
| brownies | is there a flashcard generation API/ | 03:23 |
| brownies | but then what are the metrics | 03:23 |
| brownies | oh hell, i'll just build it myself | 03:23 |
| brownies | and, oh yeah, wasn't Anki > Mnemosyne anywy? | 03:24 |
| foucist | it's a mite fresher.. but quite a few ppl i know use mnemosyne anyways | 03:26 |
| foucist | anki has various python plugins and such | 03:26 |
| brownies | hm, interesting | 03:28 |
| brownies | why isn't there a cloud version of such things? | 03:28 |
| foucist | anki does have an online component | 03:32 |
| foucist | interface is more baic but works | 03:32 |
| Coornail | there are many formats of flashcards | 03:37 |
| Coornail | most of them are pretty straightforward | 03:37 |
| Coornail | readable | 03:37 |
| brownies | hmm | 04:06 |
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| foucist | coding a porn site @ a co-working space | 06:06 |
| foucist | (it's the pinterest killer!) | 06:06 |
| foucist | heh | 06:06 |
| foucist | of course there'll be two versions.. adult and non-adult.. two birds, 1 singularity | 06:07 |
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| ThomasEgi | coding a porn site for non-adults? how's that going to work out? | 06:07 |
| foucist | nice interpretatio.. no, a non-adult site for non-adults | 06:07 |
| foucist | and a porn site for porn-adults | 06:07 |
| * ThomasEgi is cornfused nao | 06:08 | |
| foucist | ThomasEgi: sorry, i guess you dont' have backlog! | 06:08 |
| foucist | ThomasEgi: nah i'm just coding a "pinterest killer" but gonna make two versions of it, one for porn , and one for non-adult material | 06:08 |
| foucist | but i was using porn material while coding it @ the coworking space.. i didn't think people could see my screen | 06:09 |
| foucist | then later i realized that some were looking! | 06:09 |
| ThomasEgi | hm. well i guess having a job where you are allowed to look at porn half of the time aint half as bad^ | 06:11 |
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| @kanzure | foucist: 196 wpm | 06:14 |
| foucist | kanzure: WHAT.. you beast | 06:14 |
| foucist | kanzure: i challenge you, duel to the death! http://play.typeracer.com/?rt=trskuda | 06:14 |
| @kanzure | hrmm well i just woke up.. so okay | 06:15 |
| @kanzure | seems a good of time as any to die | 06:16 |
| @kanzure | ugh | 06:17 |
| @kanzure | started off at 380 wpm and i quickly died. i think my key is broken | 06:17 |
| @kanzure | *my f key | 06:17 |
| foucist | oh | 06:18 |
| foucist | i don't type too much actually otherwise i get RSI | 06:19 |
| foucist | i can't even type more than a minute without experiencing slight RSI | 06:19 |
| foucist | been that way since i first started typing 18 years ago | 06:19 |
| @kanzure | one more? | 06:19 |
| foucist | nah :P | 06:19 |
| foucist | my peak is 111 wpm | 06:20 |
| foucist | i think i jumped 10-20 wpm since we last raced | 06:20 |
| foucist | for no reason at all | 06:20 |
| @kanzure | i think it is time that the german pirate party evolves into the german robot pirate party | 06:20 |
| foucist | no practice or anything | 06:20 |
| foucist | i just realized that 110 isn't that hard | 06:21 |
| @kanzure | where have you been for the past few months? | 06:21 |
| foucist | hiding from this chan of course ;) | 06:21 |
| @kanzure | alright | 06:21 |
| foucist | not a lot new, still in bangkok, just working on marketing and coding etc | 06:21 |
| gl00m | the only thing better than having a high wpm | 06:25 |
| gl00m | is not being a nerd | 06:25 |
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| @kanzure | why the hell is that guy in here? | 06:27 |
| foucist | heh | 06:28 |
| chris_99 | i don't suppose any of you guys have used EC2 and imported your own windows instance? | 06:36 |
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| delinquentme | anyone in here ever heard ( within the context of Ruby ) | 07:18 |
| delinquentme | as a gem being "installed" | 07:18 |
| delinquentme | like in this statement it makes sense ... but I made a (small ) edit to the bioruby lib and im not entirely sure about the feedback I was given | 07:19 |
| @kanzure | it's installed when it's in your gem folder | 07:19 |
| @kanzure | check "gem --environment" | 07:19 |
| delinquentme | https://github.com/bioruby/bioruby/pull/59#issuecomment-6526755 | 07:22 |
| delinquentme | the patch ( assuming my edit ) | 07:23 |
| delinquentme | is completely unaware of the file locations after installation | 07:23 |
| delinquentme | however before my patch | 07:24 |
| delinquentme | the tests wouldn't even complete | 07:24 |
| @kanzure | "autoload :KEGGDB, '../lib/bio/db'" is not okay | 07:24 |
| delinquentme | what about it? | 07:26 |
| delinquentme | test/runner.rb | 07:27 |
| delinquentme | seems to be what runs the autotesting | 07:27 |
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| delinquentme | and with jruby-1.6.7.2-d19 | 07:27 |
| @kanzure | the "../" makes it relative | 07:27 |
| @kanzure | he's saying don't do that. | 07:27 |
| delinquentme | is he? | 07:29 |
| delinquentme | I mean he says its "unaware " after installation | 07:29 |
| delinquentme | but it seems unaware pre my patch | 07:29 |
| delinquentme | as it doesnt run | 07:29 |
| delinquentme | so like we've got 2 cases here | 07:30 |
| @kanzure | i don't know why you don't understand me. | 07:30 |
| @kanzure | don't write "..". use the gem paths. | 07:30 |
| delinquentme | 1) no tests run ... as they fail with undefined variables | 07:30 |
| delinquentme | well there is not gem path for the keggdb | 07:30 |
| delinquentme | so create a pathenv? | 07:30 |
| delinquentme | envpath or whatever | 07:30 |
| @kanzure | no. if you install keggdb then it has a path. | 07:31 |
| delinquentme | yeah however the pre existing path he gave didnt work | 07:31 |
| @kanzure | then fix it. | 07:31 |
| delinquentme | which was 'bio/db' | 07:31 |
| delinquentme | i thought i did | 07:31 |
| @kanzure | you didn't | 07:31 |
| delinquentme | .... | 07:31 |
| @kanzure | damn dude. just use what everyone else does. | 07:32 |
| @kanzure | or if that fails then: | 07:32 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, | 07:32 |
| @kanzure | require File.dirname(__FILE__) + "whatever/the/fuck/you/need" | 07:32 |
| @kanzure | this isn't rocket science :( | 07:32 |
| @kanzure | (i should note that my require line is not normal and you shouldn't use it as a first solution) | 07:33 |
| delinquentme | somethings failing here | 07:34 |
| delinquentme | the fail happens when running the autotest directly | 07:34 |
| delinquentme | "ruby test/runner.rb" | 07:34 |
| delinquentme | breaks because that pre existing path 'bio/db' is wonky | 07:34 |
| delinquentme | so you're saying give it something more absolute? | 07:35 |
| delinquentme | ALSO im wildly confused as to how this works for him | 07:35 |
| delinquentme | because 'bio/db' has no call to its relative path | 07:36 |
| delinquentme | it needs a . to be functional at all .. no? | 07:36 |
| @kanzure | is bio/db a gem or not | 07:37 |
| delinquentme | nah | 07:37 |
| delinquentme | just a file | 07:37 |
| @kanzure | maybe you should change that | 07:37 |
| delinquentme | waiiiit | 07:37 |
| delinquentme | bio is a gem | 07:38 |
| delinquentme | is bio/db a way to sub ref a gem ? | 07:38 |
| @kanzure | sometimes. | 07:38 |
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| foucist | yay ruby! | 09:19 |
| * foucist faps | 09:19 | |
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| delinquentme | LULZ | 09:21 |
| foucist | delinquentme: get the problem fixed? | 09:21 |
| delinquentme | nmz787, apologies about the other night man | 09:21 |
| delinquentme | totally would have come up to chill | 09:22 |
| delinquentme | foucist, i think I have | 09:22 |
| delinquentme | hes running tests in a way Im unfamiliar with | 09:22 |
| delinquentme | or maybe i've just never seen them run with rake | 09:22 |
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| @kanzure | delinquentme: rake tests:unit | 09:36 |
| @kanzure | or it really depends on what the hell is in his Rakefile | 09:37 |
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| @kanzure | jrayhawk: i'd like to copy the nanoengineer chroot a few times, e.g. so i can have one 'stable' chroot and one for 'the next version' | 09:40 |
| @kanzure | iirc, you had to do some sysadmin stuff to make my chroots work on my vserver? | 09:41 |
| @kanzure | if so, could you setup another one for me? basically i need one that works, and then one where i upgrade ubuntu and break everything | 09:41 |
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| jrayhawk | The only thing I can think of is makedev failing, but, in principle, the chrooted userspace should function fine on what your vserver is restricted to. | 12:21 |
| jrayhawk | So, yeah, you should be able to copy/extract it on gnusha and just ignore the device node creation errors. | 12:22 |
| jrayhawk | kanzure: oh i guess i should make your client beep by addressing you | 12:22 |
| jrayhawk | If it's a tar file, you probably want to extract it as root with --numeric-owner, btw | 12:24 |
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| @kanzure | jrayhawk: huh? i recall you had to set something up.. did you add permissions to my vserver, or do something special with the chroot directory? | 13:14 |
| @kanzure | didn't you have to create it for me? | 13:14 |
| @kanzure | 17:58 < kanzure> jrayhawk: E: Cannot install into target '/home/bryan/nanoengineer-chroot' mounted with noexec or nodev | 13:15 |
| @kanzure | from 2012-04-29.log | 13:15 |
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| @kanzure | 18:02 < jrayhawk> ah, yeah, it wants to install device nodes. right. I'll get that first step done outside... | 13:20 |
| @kanzure | 18:08 < kanzure> mknod: `/root/nanoengineer-chroot/test-dev-null': Operation not permitted | 13:20 |
| @kanzure | 18:16 < jrayhawk> Okay, sudo chroot /root/nanoengineer-chroot | 13:20 |
| @kanzure | i guess i should have pressured you for the in between steps | 13:20 |
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| jrayhawk | oh, right you are | 13:26 |
| jrayhawk | sorry, my brain is half-conditioned to containers | 13:27 |
| @kanzure | /root/nanoengineer-upgrade or some more sensible name would be appreciated | 13:28 |
| @kanzure | basically a copy | 13:28 |
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| jrayhawk | Done. | 13:32 |
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| @kanzure | jrayhawk: thank you sir | 13:49 |
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| @kanzure | jrayhawk: and can i pester you to document wtf you've done? | 13:50 |
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| brownies | hm, i'll ask my question again, for the afternoon crowd | 14:01 |
| brownies | any of you know of a website/software where i could drill/practice mental math? | 14:01 |
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| @kanzure | the afternoon crowd is exactly the same as the morning crowdd except more grumpy | 14:06 |
| brownies | well, i asked the late night crowd | 14:10 |
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| @kanzure | brownies: how about http://flashcarddb.com/ | 14:14 |
| brownies | that's the most hideous web site i've ever seen | 14:14 |
| @kanzure | how about http://quizlet.com/ | 14:15 |
| @kanzure | god, i tried to repress all these urls/sites | 14:15 |
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| @kanzure | https://cramberry.net/ (terrible name!) | 14:17 |
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| @kanzure | http://headmagnet.com/ ("predict when you will forget") | 14:17 |
| brownies | yeah, flashcards aren't really the answer here. | 14:18 |
| brownies | i want something like typeracer but for math. | 14:18 |
| brownies | it's not the dichotomy here that i'm concerned with... i'm not going to "forget" how to add | 14:18 |
| brownies | it's more about increasing performance along a continuous spectrum | 14:19 |
| @kanzure | http://shortcutfoo.com/ for math might be ok for speed math training? "can you add two numbers within 1.5 seconds?" | 14:19 |
| @kanzure | i guess it would be nice to be able to do partial differential equations in the less than 10 seconds | 14:20 |
| @kanzure | "draw a math symbol and get its latex" http://detexify.kirelabs.org/classify.html | 14:22 |
| @kanzure | would be nice if it cross-referenced the symbols to wikipedia articles:x | 14:23 |
| epitron | kanzure: omg, i want this for UTF8 :) | 14:23 |
| @kanzure | there was a unicode/utf8 dictionary recently.. i don't recall if it had drawing input or not | 14:24 |
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| @kanzure | http://webdemo.visionobjects.com/equation.html?locale=default same thing | 14:28 |
| @kanzure | brownies: how about http://math.ly/algebra/linear-equations/pcnpbd/ | 14:30 |
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| epitron | damn, web equation is great | 15:00 |
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| jrayhawk | kanzure: sudo cp -ra nanoengineer-chroot nanoengineer-upgrade from outside your vserver | 15:12 |
| jrayhawk | hopefully someday LXC will actually work properly and we can migrate you to something a little less restrictive | 15:13 |
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| brownies | what the fuck? i'm supposed to calculate a secant in my head/ | 15:35 |
| brownies | kanzure: this is much closer to what i want, other than that though | 15:35 |
| brownies | arccotagent of -1.44? come on -_- | 15:36 |
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| brownies | kanzure: there ought to be "levels" of problem types that you can do for time | 15:41 |
| brownies | like Angry Birds, basically | 15:41 |
| @kanzure | brownies: so that guy now wants it to be 100 *users* testing the app simultaneously | 15:52 |
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| @kanzure | i'm gonna have to tell him no | 15:52 |
| @kanzure | there's no way he's ever going to have 100 people using this simultaneously | 15:52 |
| @kanzure | and i don't want to do that anyway. | 15:52 |
| @kanzure | i thought he just wanted bottleneck/throughput testing | 15:52 |
| brownies | kanzure: he's getting progressively more ridiculous | 15:53 |
| brownies | kanzure: if only you had a handsome brown friend who had predicted exactly this | 15:53 |
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| @kanzure | haha. well at least i didn't sign anything. | 15:54 |
| brownies | heh. good. | 15:56 |
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| @kanzure | brownies: ok i got it down to "git push heroku master" and "siege -n 100" (stress testing) | 17:34 |
| @kanzure | mission accomplished? | 17:34 |
| brownies | kanzure: as i've said, i believe the only winning move is to not play | 17:50 |
| brownies | kanzure: but if you do otherwise, let me know how it goes... | 17:50 |
| jrayhawk | "arccotangent of -1.44" reminds me of http://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~elf/abacus/feynman.html | 19:03 |
| foucist | brownies: http://www.free-training-tutorial.com/math-games.html | 19:06 |
| Jenda` | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZ45se_3TKA :) | 19:12 |
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| foucist | Jenda`: i don't like to click on links that don't come with a clue as to what they're about | 19:18 |
| yashgaroth | Mexican Jumping Beans | 19:19 |
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| @kanzure | charlesos: hi | 20:20 |
| @kanzure | nmz787: yo | 20:20 |
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| strangewarp | Ergh | 20:45 |
| strangewarp | Bring up radical scarcity around internet intellectuals who have stewed in zero-sum anti-piracy rhetoric for a decade -> they try to stamp you the fuck out | 20:46 |
| strangewarp | er | 20:46 |
| strangewarp | .. radical abundance* | 20:46 |
| strangewarp | I keep making that typo too. Annoying | 20:47 |
| brownies | jrayhawk: heh, i love that story... but sadly i don't have any canonical logs or exps memorized | 20:49 |
| strangewarp | "First of all, it's cute that you keep trying to justify your silly ideals, because it's never going to happen. Grow up, accept it, get a job. Second of all, video game and computer technology companies only make their mega-projects because the scarce market sustains them. If all their employees didn't have to work to live, they would stop working, and human art and science would be over." | 20:52 |
| brownies | foucist: i tried playing the shark game for 2digit + 2digit, but only 2 digits can fit on a shark, so it's completely fucking broken =/ | 20:52 |
| strangewarp | Paraphrasing here; the original guy used less elegant and angrier language. | 20:52 |
| @kanzure | strangewarp: why are you debating with him? | 20:56 |
| Mokbortolan_ | it's not a debate | 20:56 |
| Mokbortolan_ | it's just two people arguing at each other | 20:56 |
| @kanzure | well okay, then why are you talkingw ith him | 20:56 |
| @kanzure | *with | 20:56 |
| Mokbortolan_ | happens all the time | 20:56 |
| @kanzure | people? yeah. | 20:56 |
| strangewarp | kanzure: He's an op in one of the channels where I have long-term friends and complain about things more often | 20:56 |
| strangewarp | (not on this network) | 20:57 |
| Mokbortolan_ | you have to make him identify with you before you can even hope to change his mind | 20:57 |
| Mokbortolan_ | and then suggest the change in terms he also identifies with, and can appreciate | 20:57 |
| @kanzure | the net utility of convincing some angry internet guy about something is surprisingly close to zero | 20:58 |
| strangewarp | kanzure yeah, I wasn't trying to convince him of anything, I was just idly commenting about the zero-sum non-futurist responses to the latest filesharing kerfuffle and he decided to launch into me | 21:00 |
| sylph_mako | Heh. In my metrics, the net utility of anything is close to zero. Close to zero is all anything ever gets, but it's enough. | 21:00 |
| Mokbortolan_ | well, there are inherent "arguments" that occur during conversation | 21:01 |
| Mokbortolan_ | sort of like, "I think X is objectively true." | 21:01 |
| Mokbortolan_ | "Well, I think X is objectively false, and Y is objectively true." | 21:01 |
| Mokbortolan_ | and depending on how skilled each member is in the art of polite conversation, it can result in the transfer of perspective information, or a shouting match/fistfight | 21:02 |
| strangewarp | I think just that guy in particular is good at pressing my buttons; he's basically a psychopath who will not change his opinions because they're HIS, dangnabbit | 21:02 |
| Mokbortolan_ | that's most people | 21:03 |
| Mokbortolan_ | very frustrating | 21:03 |
| strangewarp | yeah | 21:03 |
| Mokbortolan_ | especially because presenting information that contradicts their view is likely to strengthen their view | 21:03 |
| strangewarp | yeah | 21:03 |
| strangewarp | He told me he saved the conversation, so he could paste it into the channel once every day in 2035 to show me how wrong I am | 21:04 |
| strangewarp | psychopath | 21:04 |
| Mokbortolan_ | sounds like you couldn't get him to identify with you | 21:04 |
| @kanzure | uh who cares about the year 2035? | 21:04 |
| strangewarp | nobody really | 21:05 |
| strangewarp | I think there was a thread on his video-game-industry-insider forum about Kurzweil at some point, maybe, which might be where he got the date from | 21:06 |
| strangewarp | Also, I think to a Clever Internet Conservative, my opinions about abundance and welfare come off as completely self-serving, since I don't have a job. Which I'm assuming is a very clever thing to point out.. | 21:16 |
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| @kanzure | 281 upgraded, 11 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. | 21:21 |
| @kanzure | Need to get 121MB of archives. | 21:21 |
| @kanzure | After unpacking 16.3MB of additional disk space will be used. | 21:21 |
| @kanzure | not bad | 21:21 |
| @kanzure | but this is just 7.04 -> 7.10 | 21:21 |
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| Mokbortolan_ | I printed my own copy of quirkle today, should I feel bad? | 21:39 |
| @kanzure | Errors were encountered while processing: udev ubuntu-minimal console-setup | 21:41 |
| @kanzure | seems to be related to this: | 21:41 |
| @kanzure | mknod: `/lib/udev/devices/ppp': Operation not permitted | 21:41 |
| @kanzure | when running "apt-get dist-upgrade" | 21:41 |
| @kanzure | haha davidad is calling his company "nemaload, inc." | 21:47 |
| yashgaroth | awesome | 21:48 |
| @kanzure | jrayhawk: can you look at that mknod error? :/ | 21:48 |
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| @kanzure | hi [1]kovalezko | 21:51 |
| [1]kovalezko | hio | 21:54 |
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| ParahSailin__ | radical abundance.. like extropian or something? | 22:00 |
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| strangewarp | ParahSailin: An economy where a convergence of info-bio-nanotech makes most common items effectively free | 22:47 |
| jrayhawk | uninstall udev, ppp | 23:21 |
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