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| yashterdam | nmz787 - I don't see a-galactosidase causing any untoward effects on gut bacteria, it's like adult lactase expression | 00:05 |
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| yashterdam | (I don't actually know if he reads the logs but I'm still putting it here) | 00:06 |
| yashterdam | anyway it's not exactly a super-edgy SL5 mod but I thought I'd throw it in there | 00:07 |
| yashterdam | there seems to be an annoying lack of "we gave some mice an extra copy of p53 and made them smoke a bunch of cigarettes" studies | 00:10 |
| yashterdam | hopefully once the 1000 cancer genomes project comes out there'll be a solid half-dozen list of commonly mutated genes that would be good to duplicate | 00:10 |
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| bkero | Have there been any hints at to which genes they might have identified? | 00:49 |
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| yashterdam | bkero: p53 is the canonical one, though there are likely to be several more, albeit probably more specific to particular cancers | 01:18 |
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| kanzure | yashterdam: how's life as a foreigner? | 08:00 |
| yashterdam | man there's more foreigners here than in, like, foreignland | 08:00 |
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| yashterdam | I tried to go see the vrolik museum but it's closed :( | 08:03 |
| kanzure | my grandma is so weird. "BRYAN, HAVE YOU HEARD OF THIS GITHUB THING? I THINK YOU SHOULD TRY IT." | 08:03 |
| foucist | you grandma is cool | 08:04 |
| kanzure | i'm gonna try to get her a github account | 08:06 |
| kanzure | "Proceedings of the Thirteenth International Conference on the Simulation and Synthesis of Living Systems" http://mitpress.mit.edu/books/full_pdfs/Artificial_Life_13.pdf | 08:06 |
| foucist | when i was younger i got my grandma to read fountainhead and atlas shrugged lol | 08:08 |
| foucist | and other books too | 08:08 |
| kanzure | that sounds terrible | 08:09 |
| kanzure | ayn rand is the last thing i'd feed to a grandmother | 08:09 |
| foucist | sure.. well it's high status to make fun of ayn rand | 08:09 |
| kanzure | she keeps sending me things like github and singularity university and makerbot stuff | 08:10 |
| foucist | nice | 08:10 |
| kanzure | but i don't really talk to her much | 08:10 |
| foucist | guess she's good with a computer? | 08:10 |
| kanzure | no | 08:10 |
| foucist | mine pretty much plays solitaire only | 08:10 |
| foucist | and email | 08:10 |
| chido | mine couldn't use a cell phone | 08:10 |
| foucist | once she saw me talking on irc | 08:11 |
| foucist | and complained about everyone butchering the english language | 08:11 |
| yashterdam | mine sent me a link to an article about that ursolic acid research ^^ "have you heard of this journal plosone??" yes grandma | 08:12 |
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| kanzure | yes grandma, ugh, plosone is so old geeze | 08:12 |
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| foucist | heh | 08:15 |
| ParahSailin | foucist: i moderate /r/Objectivism | 08:15 |
| foucist | ParahSailin: ah | 08:15 |
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| foucist | ParahSailin: after reading half of peikoff's "objectivism: ayn rand's philosophy" i realized that it's really difficult, probably impossible, to come up with a rational philosophy without a rational language.. also that objectivism is missing a lot of new up to date revelations about human nature and such | 08:18 |
| foucist | i have a lot of respect for objectivism/ayn rand, even if it got stuff wrong.. i always thought it should be developed like math.. improved on over time by others | 08:19 |
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| yashterdam | what new revelations have there been about human nature | 08:21 |
| ParahSailin | rand had a lot of problems i agree | 08:22 |
| foucist | i mean the stuff uncovered by the behavioral econ/sociology/psych guys | 08:22 |
| ParahSailin | she tended to veer off into special sciences where she was woefully misinformed | 08:23 |
| ParahSailin | as epistemology, it was a much needed update to aristotle | 08:23 |
| yashterdam | I didn't think there'd been any breakthroughs since about 600bc | 08:24 |
| foucist | ParahSailin: the first couple chapters of that book blew my mind though.. the _language_ specifically.. defining words by context/usage as it went, even repeating a sentence with different word having italics, and changing the meaning to get the idea accross accurately | 08:27 |
| kanzure | i wish i had a reasonable anti ayn rand article to link to | 08:28 |
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| foucist | kanzure: i've seen some good ones | 08:30 |
| foucist | kanzure: a lot of them are mostly ad hominem attacks though | 08:31 |
| ParahSailin | roderick long is probably the best critic of rand | 08:31 |
| yashterdam | ad hominem in the sense that she was hypocritical, or just 'lol she looks dumb'? | 08:32 |
| ParahSailin | http://praxeology.net/Rand-colour6.pdf | 08:34 |
| ParahSailin | http://www.cato-unbound.org/2010/01/20/roderick-long/the-winnowing-of-ayn-rand/ | 08:34 |
| kanzure | oh good it cites kant | 08:40 |
| ParahSailin | im pretty sure rand was really racist against germans | 08:42 |
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| jrayhawk | Rand is much like Freud. A disturbing amount of what they both present is wrong, but they can both get some credit as pioneers of a potentially interesting intellectual discipline. | 09:06 |
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| jrayhawk | i suppose referring to her as "rand" is collectivist on my part. the individuals making up the society of organs referred to as "aynn rand" under her lungs done gone Galt. | 09:10 |
| jrayhawk | s/aynn/ayn/ | 09:10 |
| jrayhawk | s/under/until/ | 09:10 |
| kanzure | "We believe in the power of iteration, we originally started out as StumbleMonkey, which was like AirBnb but for online-dating, so when you left town you could rent out your spouse or partner. Great idea, but then we found out it was illegal, so we had to pivot.. So we changed our name to Googoprrrrrr. That's 6 r's. And that app was like spotify, meets Grindr, but for rental cars, but ran as if it were for a hotel." | 09:15 |
| kanzure | other than that i haven't found the vooza thing funny at all | 09:16 |
| kanzure | http://vimeo.com/44424340 | 09:17 |
| kanzure | trying to find "A Nerve Ending That Has Been Broken Open (and Stained) To Reveal the Synaptic Vesicles Inside" | 09:34 |
| kanzure | it's possibly this: http://www.cellimagelibrary.org/images/214 | 09:34 |
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| foucist | jrayhawk: good analogy.. i don't have much respect for freud heh | 10:11 |
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| AdrianG | ok hi | 11:47 |
| AdrianG | i want to make my own bacteria that produces a certain chemical | 11:47 |
| AdrianG | how do i begin | 11:47 |
| Mokbortolan_ | 1. doctorate in biochemistry | 11:47 |
| AdrianG | i have an engineering degree | 11:49 |
| AdrianG | this will be my phd thesis | 11:50 |
| rdb | look up on the guy who did this http://gizmodo.com/5885295/how-to-dna+hack-yogurt-into-prozac | 11:50 |
| AdrianG | wat | 11:50 |
| AdrianG | he made his yogurt make prozac ?? | 11:50 |
| yashterdam | no | 11:50 |
| rdb | the yogurt cultures, I would assume | 11:51 |
| AdrianG | you know what i mean | 11:51 |
| rdb | the guy also made pigeons poop soap | 11:52 |
| rdb | which sounds quite useful actually | 11:52 |
| Mokbortolan_ | "The Yogurt of Apathy" | 11:52 |
| rdb | oh, he also made his yogurt orange | 11:52 |
| rdb | by letting the bacteria produce carotene too | 11:52 |
| AdrianG | I am working in a similar direction | 11:53 |
| rdb | perhaps you can read up somewhere how he did it | 11:54 |
| rdb | an electroporator isn't all that difficult or expensive to make | 11:54 |
| yashterdam | you can't because he didn't | 11:54 |
| rdb | he didn't? | 11:54 |
| yashterdam | no | 11:54 |
| AdrianG | i thought of producing nootropics with GMO | 11:55 |
| AdrianG | so that everyone can make their own | 11:55 |
| yashterdam | that's going to be far more expensive than buying it | 11:57 |
| yashterdam | at least for things like choline or whatever that are already naturally produced | 11:58 |
| yashterdam | for something like piracetam it'd just be straight-up impossible | 11:58 |
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| AdrianG | why impossible | 12:00 |
| AdrianG | what about things that occur naturally liek caffeine, nicotine, ephedrine | 12:00 |
| AdrianG | u just order dna, amirite? | 12:00 |
| yashterdam | piracetam is synthesized chemically, there's no biosynthetic pathway to "hack" into bacteria | 12:00 |
| yashterdam | sure if you want 1 milligram of caffeine per gram of bacteria, which you'd have to purify out unless you want a cup of basically-just-shit every morning | 12:01 |
| yashterdam | in which case you're better off purifying it out of X plant that's good at producing it | 12:01 |
| AdrianG | well how are yeast able to produce ethanol so efficiently | 12:01 |
| yashterdam | efficient? the ethanol is a byproduct, that's like using humans to produce urea | 12:02 |
| kanzure | rdb: that yogurt/prozac thing was a scam, shame on you for linking that | 12:03 |
| rdb | sorry, I had no idea | 12:03 |
| AdrianG | :o | 12:04 |
| AdrianG | it was ?! | 12:04 |
| kanzure | his yogurt wasn't producing prozac | 12:04 |
| kanzure | AdrianG: have you picked the chemical you want to produce? or do you not care? | 12:04 |
| yashterdam | I like how all his other 'projects' are "oh we'll make these yeast and you add your blood to them and then SYNTHETIC BIOLOGY and they do magic" | 12:04 |
| AdrianG | kanzure: simple amines would be a good start | 12:05 |
| AdrianG | i am interested in the underlying challenges of synthesizing on demand | 12:05 |
| kanzure | i'm p. sure there's lots of ammonia pathways in bacteria | 12:05 |
| AdrianG | enzyme design? | 12:05 |
| yashterdam | <Mokbortolan_> 1. doctorate in biochemistry | 12:06 |
| kanzure | mokbor-- | 12:06 |
| AdrianG | well, ephedra sinica poops out tons of ephedrine | 12:06 |
| AdrianG | why cant my yeast do taht | 12:06 |
| yashterdam | scoop'd | 12:06 |
| kanzure | AdrianG: do you remember any of the traditional metabolic pathways? like for anaerobic respiration or shit like that? | 12:06 |
| yashterdam | they can but that would take a shitton of research to optimize when you could just grow ma huang for ~$0 | 12:06 |
| AdrianG | kanzure: some yes, liek citric acid cycle etc | 12:07 |
| AdrianG | yashterdam: if i wanted to grow ma huang, id be doing that right now | 12:07 |
| Mokbortolan_ | why go to the moon when it's cheaper to just look at it from here? | 12:07 |
| AdrianG | ephedrine is just a good example for simple amines | 12:07 |
| AdrianG | and tons of meds/pharma/etc is amine derivatives | 12:07 |
| kanzure | on a related note, i find it really funny in retrospect that teachers had me memorizing things like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:CellRespiration.svg | 12:08 |
| AdrianG | i just dont know of a better example | 12:08 |
| yashterdam | mok my space program is facing significant delays but telescopes are 50% off on amazon | 12:08 |
| kanzure | AdrianG: okay. so your best bet is to find things that already exist and manipulate those pathways. | 12:08 |
| kanzure | KEGG tends to be an okay resource for looking at gene networks and pathways | 12:08 |
| AdrianG | kanzure: so its all basically disruption of common pathways? | 12:09 |
| kanzure | "it's all" what is it? | 12:09 |
| yashterdam | not disruption, transplantation | 12:09 |
| AdrianG | modifying GMO to produce your own stuff | 12:09 |
| kanzure | there are some researchers that are working on de novo pathways but it's more like "do directed evolution for 5 years and hope they get close" | 12:10 |
| AdrianG | ic | 12:10 |
| kanzure | but yes most of the successes in pathway engineering have been transplantation-related | 12:10 |
| kanzure | and then maybe some optimization after transplanting to get the shit to work better, or something | 12:10 |
| yashterdam | whoooooole lotta tweaking | 12:11 |
| AdrianG | so basically if your target chemical does not exist already, its basically not worth it? | 12:11 |
| AdrianG | :< | 12:11 |
| kanzure | "hey this pathway can now work in 1/100th celsius cooler environments!" | 12:11 |
| kanzure | well it really depends on the type of chemical.. proteins tend to be easy to get organisms to build, but you probably don't mean "protein" when you say "chemical" | 12:12 |
| kanzure | gotta love me some protein | 12:12 |
| kanzure | AdrianG: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bio/Expanding%20the%20repertoire%20of%20biofuel%20alternatives%20through%20metabolic%20pathway%20evolution.pdf | 12:13 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bio/Enhancement%20of%20lipid%20production%20using%20biochemical,%20genetic%20and%20transcription%20factor%20engineering%20approaches.pdf | 12:13 |
| kanzure | (these aren't the best "synthetic biology" papers i could link you to on this subject, though) | 12:14 |
| kanzure | in fact, wtf i seem to have no synthetic biology folder | 12:14 |
| yashterdam | aight kanz I'll let you take over because jetlag | 12:15 |
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| kanzure | don't leave me, i'm in mathy mode right now :( | 12:15 |
| rdb | huh, that directory on that site contains a lot of cool stuff | 12:15 |
| gnusha | diyhpluswiki.git: f7accdc surface intersection algorithms | 12:15 |
| kanzure | rdb: thanks | 12:22 |
| kanzure | rdb: also try these http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/microfluidics http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/longevity http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/nanotech http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/DNA http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/polymerase | 12:23 |
| kanzure | and http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro | 12:23 |
| rdb | yeah, I looked around a bit there | 12:23 |
| rdb | in the parent directory | 12:23 |
| rdb | yeah, I saw some interesting tDCS material there too | 12:24 |
| kanzure | also consider neuro/ultrasound as an alternative to tdcs | 12:26 |
| rdb | interesting | 12:27 |
| kanzure | klafka: http://webspeeddatingdev.eventbrite.com/ | 12:42 |
| ParahSailin | uh oh, just found myself using a goto | 12:52 |
| kanzure | the only solution is to burn your computer and never look back | 12:54 |
| ParahSailin | this function should be recursive | 12:55 |
| ParahSailin | how many clock cycles is a new stack frame call | 12:55 |
| Mokbortolan_ | kanzure: d'ye think ....tUS(?) could be aimed at a deep brain structure by using multiple converging emitters? | 13:05 |
| kanzure | let's just write out 'transcranial ultrasound' for the searchfairies and for my sanity | 13:06 |
| kanzure | instead of tus | 13:06 |
| kanzure | but yes there have been clinical trials of a phased array of transmitters | 13:07 |
| Mokbortolan_ | sounds like it'd be a bit more straightforward than modelling current paths | 13:07 |
| kanzure | .. they used it for melting a brain region, but let's imagine that our goals are less nefarious. | 13:08 |
| rdb | heh. let's. | 13:08 |
| AdrianG | no. let's not. | 13:08 |
| kanzure | AdrianG: so you're pro-brain-melting? :) | 13:09 |
| AdrianG | It is all I do. | 13:09 |
| AdrianG | for now, I am practising on my own brain. | 13:09 |
| Mokbortolan_ | can anybody find "Ultrasonic neuromodulation by brain stimulation with transcranial ultrasound" for me? | 13:34 |
| Mokbortolan_ | it's in "nature protocols" | 13:35 |
| AdrianG | Mokbortolan_: ask rand | 13:35 |
| kanzure | Mokbortolan_: http://neurotrek.com/pdf/Nature_Protocols_-_Ultrasonic_neuromodulation_by_brain_stimulation_with_transcranial_ultrasound.pdf | 13:36 |
| Mokbortolan_ | thanks! | 13:38 |
| Mokbortolan_ | you know, I didn't even google it | 13:38 |
| * Mokbortolan_ is ashamed. | 13:38 | |
| AdrianG | u sick bastard :o | 13:38 |
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| kanzure | oh neat, the auditory hallucinations one is cool | 13:41 |
| AdrianG | there is an entire book on that | 13:43 |
| AdrianG | Jan_Dirk_Blom,_Iris_E.C._Sommer_eds._Hallucinations_Research_and_Practice__2012.pdf | 13:44 |
| kanzure | an entire book on ultrasound-induced auditory hallucinations? | 13:46 |
| Mokbortolan_ | I like the microwave auditory effect | 13:46 |
| Mokbortolan_ | that's a neat one | 13:46 |
| AdrianG | kanzure: on hallucinations | 13:47 |
| AdrianG | a good chunk is on auditory | 13:47 |
| Mokbortolan_ | you could do it with consumer-grade hardware too, but not without a major firmware rewrite | 13:47 |
| nmz787 | AdrianG: where can I find that PDF? | 14:00 |
| AdrianG | on my computer | 14:01 |
| nmz787 | 2012 is a new edition? | 14:02 |
| AdrianG | its teh only one i have | 14:02 |
| nmz787 | avaxhome has a 2011 ed | 14:02 |
| nmz787 | oh, i guess they have multiple | 14:02 |
| nmz787 | anyone here have experience with e-ink readers? | 14:07 |
| AdrianG | nop | 14:07 |
| Mokbortolan_ | I have a little | 14:08 |
| Mokbortolan_ | they're fragile | 14:08 |
| Mokbortolan_ | surprisingly fragile | 14:08 |
| Mokbortolan_ | at least mine was | 14:08 |
| nmz787 | like your screen cracked? | 14:09 |
| Mokbortolan_ | yep | 14:12 |
| Mokbortolan_ | useless afterward | 14:12 |
| Mokbortolan_ | can't get replacement screens | 14:12 |
| AdrianG | which one u had | 14:16 |
| Mokbortolan_ | PRT-350SC | 14:16 |
| Mokbortolan_ | catchy name, right? | 14:16 |
| Mokbortolan_ | sorry, PRS-350SC | 14:16 |
| AdrianG | interesting | 14:17 |
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| nmz787 | Mokbortolan_: is that a Sony? | 14:25 |
| nmz787 | I just read a Wired comparison article and it looks like the Kobo is pretty nice | 14:25 |
| nmz787 | they even have a $20 discount if you get it with ads | 14:27 |
| * bkero got a nook simple touch | 14:30 | |
| bkero | Cheap, touchscreen, small, excellent battery life, epub support | 14:30 |
| Mokbortolan_ | I got my money out of it ($150 a the time, a steal!) | 14:33 |
| Mokbortolan_ | I just use cheap android tablets for reading | 14:34 |
| Mokbortolan_ | battery is bit more of a pain, but I can read more formats | 14:34 |
| nmz787 | i am interested specifically in e-ink readers, as I feel better after reading print vs lit screen | 14:37 |
| Mokbortolan_ | there's gonna be some color e-ink coming out in Q4, I hear | 14:37 |
| Mokbortolan_ | prices'll drop like a rock then I bet | 14:40 |
| nmz787 | bkero: can you comfortably read with one hand? | 14:41 |
| kanzure | css profiling http://perfectionkills.com/ | 14:41 |
| gnusha | diyhpluswiki.git: 7af3e1b add notes on TVCG09 | 14:50 |
| gnusha | diyhpluswiki.git: 2d3ff87 just some other notes | 14:53 |
| gnusha | diyhpluswiki.git: d0acd78 watertight nurbs paper | 14:53 |
| gnusha | diyhpluswiki.git: 3b9e24d attempt to fix markdown issues | 14:54 |
| gnusha | diyhpluswiki.git: df7755b struggling with markdown | 14:55 |
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| kanzure | http://pstevensonkeating.co.uk/portfolio/handcrafted-particle-accelerator | 16:27 |
| kanzure | "The piece consists of a series of organically-shaped hand-blown glass bulbs – each attached to a pump via a tube to create a vacuum. When the button is pushed, a voltage of 45,000V is applied across two electrodes. The huge potential difference forces the electrons to gather at the tip of the brass cathode tube inside the rubber bung." | 16:27 |
| kanzure | "When the opposite voltage is applied to the anode disc at the other end of the internal tube, it rips the electrons, accelerating them towards the end of the glass bulb. As the electrons reach the disc, they begin to collide, losing energy and emitting some of this as visible light." | 16:27 |
| kanzure | "Some, however, accelerate through the anode dics, and collide with the phosphorus lining of the glass vessel. This reaction causes photons of light to be released, resulting in visible specks of light." | 16:27 |
| AdrianG | lol | 16:30 |
| bkero | nmyes | 16:34 |
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| nmz787 | go DTRA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kantubek | 17:17 |
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| ParahSailin_ | formerly one of the four largest lakes in the world, now almost dry from soviet agriculture | 17:38 |
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| JayDugger | Nice quotes, kanzure. Why do you study cathode ray tubes? Sony, er...who did they sell that to, VDC, maybe, will sell you very nice ones for a few thousand dollars. | 17:54 |
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| kanzure | pasky: you should check out the .. oh screw it | 18:36 |
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| pasky | is that a title of something? | 18:36 |
| pasky | :) | 18:36 |
| kanzure | pasky: https://github.com/Sanky/pokecrystal/tree/czech | 18:36 |
| kanzure | well i was wondering why i wasn't linking you | 18:36 |
| Sanky | hi | 18:38 |
| Sanky | that is, uhh, a thing | 18:38 |
| Sanky | https://github.com/Sanky/pokecrystal/compare/master...czech and select files changed, nicer to look at | 18:39 |
| pasky | awesome, great job! :) | 18:41 |
| Sanky | heh, thanks | 18:42 |
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| pasky | hmm, i wish i'd figure this out when i was guerilla-translating games... (civ1 and transport tycoon and bits of adom :) - i was just editing the binaries but working with partially disassembled code makes so much more sense | 18:44 |
| kanzure | pasky: plus... git | 18:45 |
| Sanky | yeah, that's the standard way of doing things in the rom hacking parts | 18:46 |
| pasky | git is nice, though not essential i'd say | 18:46 |
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| Sanky | it is essential if you don't want to have a thousand .bak files around :) | 18:47 |
| Sanky | anyway, the best thing is you can do things the right way for once | 18:48 |
| Sanky | best thing about a disasm, that is | 18:48 |
| Sanky | that means respecting grammatical gender and cases | 18:49 |
| pasky | yes | 18:49 |
| pasky | i'd personally think main.asm must be harder to work with than many small files, though | 18:50 |
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| Sanky | there have been several calls to split it, but nobody's brave enough to do it | 18:50 |
| Sanky | pokered's main.asm is even larger | 18:50 |
| Sanky | anyway, I think I'll go get some sleep, see you sometime | 18:52 |
| pasky | same here :) good night | 18:52 |
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| kanzure | "Betteridge's Law of Headlines is an adage that states, "Any headline which ends in a question mark can be answered by the word 'no'"." oh fantastic | 18:54 |
| Mokbortolan_ | http://i.imgur.com/HQw43.jpg | 19:04 |
| Mokbortolan_ | whoops, wrong room | 19:04 |
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| nmz787 | Mokbortolan_: good pic | 19:12 |
| kanzure | brownies: | 19:18 |
| kanzure | oops | 19:18 |
| kanzure | ignore me | 19:18 |
| Mokbortolan_ | so, with tDCS... the anode side goes faster, the cathode side goes slower.... but, what happens spatially? is there a point between the two where the effect reverses? | 19:20 |
| Mokbortolan_ | I don't understand that part | 19:20 |
| brownies | eh? | 19:25 |
| Mokbortolan_ | jeez science, make up your mind, is it the left or the right parietal lobe that maths it up? | 19:27 |
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| AdrianG | have u tried it yet Mokbortolan_ | 19:50 |
| Mokbortolan_ | not yet | 19:53 |
| Mokbortolan_ | I need to get a bit more wire | 19:53 |
| Mokbortolan_ | aaaand build some new electrodes | 19:53 |
| AdrianG | you are going to fry your brainz :< | 19:57 |
| * Mokbortolan_ surreptitiously uploads a deadly firmware into AdrianG's microcontroller-controlled tDCS. | 19:58 | |
| * Mokbortolan_ exploits AdrianG's cavalier attitude toward hardwired safety controls. | 20:01 | |
| Mokbortolan_ | I'm going to try hitting both parietal lobes | 20:02 |
| kanzure | you need a brain map | 20:05 |
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| audy | Mokbortolan_ it's not genocide because Noah made a backup of all the genes | 20:59 |
| nmz787 | doh! | 21:00 |
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| kanzure | http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/382404735/RFID_sticker_supplier.html | 21:16 |
| kanzure | $0.00000001/rfid-sticker | 21:16 |
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| kanzure | so they claim they can make 1.2 trillion/month | 21:19 |
| kanzure | fascinating | 21:19 |
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| brownies | kanzure: sounds legit | 21:25 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: so each one is programmable or has a unique ID? | 21:32 |
| kanzure | not sure, looks scammy | 21:35 |
| kanzure | there's no way that's a real thing | 21:35 |
| Mokbortolan_ | I have a brain map | 21:41 |
| kanzure | where | 21:45 |
| Mokbortolan_ | My buddy Atlas has it | 21:45 |
| Mokbortolan_ | ba-dum-bum | 21:46 |
| Mokbortolan_ | it's in my docs somewhere | 21:46 |
| Mokbortolan_ | I have to build a better document archival system for NeuroMod | 21:46 |
| Mokbortolan_ | something that'll store, index, and convert documents | 21:46 |
| kanzure | neuromod - the hplusroadmap knockoff since 201x... just kidding | 21:50 |
| Mokbortolan_ | :p | 21:54 |
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| Mokbortolan_ | so, does hplusroadmap have any other presence besides the chatroom? | 22:05 |
| kanzure | we used to have a mailing list, but i broke it and people stopped caring | 22:05 |
| Mokbortolan_ | oh yeah | 22:05 |
| kanzure | there was also a mediawiki installation, but now we have http://diyhpl.us/wiki | 22:05 |
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| kanzure | and http://diyhpl.us/cgit | 22:05 |
| Mokbortolan_ | neuromod has a chat room, but I intend for the bulk of the activity to occur on reddit and the library | 22:07 |
| kanzure | why not in here? :( | 22:07 |
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| Mokbortolan_ | the bulk of the activity, or the chatting? | 22:07 |
| kanzure | i mean, it's possible that you really don't like us or something | 22:07 |
| kanzure | activity | 22:07 |
| Mokbortolan_ | chat is kind of ephemeral | 22:07 |
| kanzure | 60 people/day is the most active transhumanist group ever | 22:08 |
| Mokbortolan_ | I know you have logs, but it's not the same | 22:08 |
| kanzure | it sounds absurd, but look at the numbers | 22:08 |
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| kanzure | including the longest lived life | 22:08 |
| kanzure | we didn't get here by sitting on our hands | 22:08 |
| Mokbortolan_ | hahaha | 22:08 |
| Mokbortolan_ | you got here by sitting on chat! | 22:08 |
| Mokbortolan_ | :p | 22:08 |
| kanzure | oh wait, maybe we did | 22:08 |
| Mokbortolan_ | I totally like hplusroadmap | 22:09 |
| Mokbortolan_ | listen, it's not you, it's me | 22:09 |
| Mokbortolan_ | I have needs | 22:09 |
| kanzure | you prefer redditors don't you -_- | 22:09 |
| Mokbortolan_ | look, I'm not going to deny that I'm attracted the reddit format | 22:10 |
| Mokbortolan_ | I mean, I like the chat thing too, but, it's just different | 22:10 |
| kanzure | why do you think your forum will avoid the fate of all the other forums, including steel2's | 22:10 |
| Mokbortolan_ | I dunno, it might, it might not | 22:11 |
| Mokbortolan_ | but sometimes you just have to take chances in life | 22:11 |
| nmz787 | it does sound like it will splinter the cause | 22:11 |
| Mokbortolan_ | and also I intend on bankrolling and giving away HD-tDCS devices | 22:11 |
| foucist | nmz787: nah.. there can never be enough splinters! | 22:12 |
| foucist | the more splinters, the more robust the industry! | 22:12 |
| kanzure | uhh | 22:12 |
| kanzure | well, "nothing" fractured into a million pieces is still nothing i guess | 22:12 |
| Mokbortolan_ | let's not divide zeros, that never works out | 22:13 |
| kanzure | betterhumans.com's form sucked, humanityplus' forums sucked, wta-talk sucked, extropy-chat didn't suck in the 80s but whatever | 22:13 |
| kanzure | *forum | 22:13 |
| kanzure | i disagree with the premise that increasing the number of sites i have to check will make my life better | 22:13 |
| nmz787 | in 80s nothing online sucked | 22:15 |
| Mokbortolan_ | I don't disagree | 22:15 |
| nmz787 | compared to before the 80s | 22:15 |
| kanzure | nmz787: no i mean, the extropy-chat transhumanist content was orders of magnitude better than it is today | 22:15 |
| kanzure | this was back when extropy-chat was hosted on the same magnetic tape as the gnu project | 22:15 |
| kanzure | those bits counted! | 22:15 |
| nmz787 | lol | 22:16 |
| foucist | in the 80s, the transhumanist BBS was the best | 22:16 |
| kanzure | foucist: do you have a copy of that ? | 22:16 |
| foucist | with 5600 members | 22:16 |
| foucist | kanzure: no i'm making it up | 22:16 |
| kanzure | oh. well i have extropy-chat archives that look pretty good contentwise. | 22:16 |
| kanzure | but they all fizzled out. i'm pretty pissed. | 22:17 |
| foucist | those bastards.. they probably grew up, had kids, and changed their priorities | 22:17 |
| nmz787 | so i'm flying to portland OR, and they have wifi on the plane for $12.... how do I share that wifi with my gf? | 22:17 |
| kanzure | foucist: no, basically none of them had kids | 22:17 |
| Mokbortolan_ | nmz787: that'd be tough | 22:17 |
| Mokbortolan_ | I mean, it's technically possible | 22:17 |
| kanzure | nmz787: a mac laptop has a checkbox for it | 22:17 |
| Mokbortolan_ | oh, from a pc | 22:17 |
| kanzure | you can root your android phone and setup an adhoc wifi network i think | 22:17 |
| Mokbortolan_ | easy | 22:17 |
| Mokbortolan_ | yeah, but two ssids | 22:18 |
| Mokbortolan_ | ? | 22:18 |
| Mokbortolan_ | using a bluetooth DUN might be easier | 22:18 |
| Mokbortolan_ | unless there's an app | 22:18 |
| kanzure | why would using linux on a phone be worse than using linux on a laptop? | 22:18 |
| kanzure | what? | 22:18 |
| foucist | i never successfully got bluetooth DUN/PAN working with two computers.. with one computer to my iphone, no problem.. | 22:18 |
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| nmz787 | my phone is rooted | 22:19 |
| foucist | nmz787: any chance you have an extra wifi dongle or some such | 22:19 |
| nmz787 | but then if I connect to the plane with phone, i could only USB tether | 22:19 |
| foucist | yeah, usb ether to your laptop and then share from your laptop to your gf | 22:19 |
| foucist | if you can get internet over usb for your lappy | 22:20 |
| nmz787 | if i tethered with USB, I might somehow be able to rebroadcast with my laptop, but yeah adhoc has never worked for me | 22:20 |
| kanzure | adb doesn't do internet-over-usb | 22:20 |
| foucist | nmz787: perhaps the reverse? internet to laptop, usb to phone, phone shares internet via wifi to gf | 22:20 |
| Mokbortolan_ | what kind of phone? | 22:21 |
| foucist | can any phones act as proper wifi repeaters? | 22:21 |
| Mokbortolan_ | nmz787: I hope you enjoy Portland, it's sunny! | 22:21 |
| nmz787 | HTC evo | 22:21 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: i have an option in cyanogenmod that gives me USB tethered internet | 22:22 |
| nmz787 | so it must be some app | 22:22 |
| nmz787 | if not adb | 22:22 |
| kanzure | i setup a workshop to operate off of a phone's wifi signal once (5 employees using the net by connecting to the phone's wifi) | 22:22 |
| foucist | ASUS WL-330gE is a tiny portable wifi repeater.. can buy it for $30 or so | 22:22 |
| nmz787 | i'm not sure I can get internet on the phone via USB though | 22:23 |
| kanzure | it's not usb | 22:23 |
| kanzure | do this: phone to internet; laptop to phone | 22:23 |
| kanzure | laptop to phone is via wifi | 22:23 |
| kanzure | look at foxfi or something | 22:23 |
| nmz787 | if it only has one transceiver, how can it connect to plane and act as an AP too? | 22:23 |
| foucist | kanzure: internet to phone via wifi, phone to laptop via wifi.. aka wifi repeater? | 22:24 |
| kanzure | oh sorry not foxfi | 22:24 |
| kanzure | use barnacle | 22:24 |
| kanzure | download the free version of barnacle and play around with that | 22:24 |
| nmz787 | cyanogenmod has wifi AP hotspot already builtin | 22:25 |
| nmz787 | dont think i need barnacle | 22:25 |
| nmz787 | "Barnacle will act like a wireless router connecting its clients to the Internet via the phone's 3G (or 2G) mobile connection." | 22:25 |
| nmz787 | plane is wifi, not 3g | 22:26 |
| kanzure | oops | 22:26 |
| nmz787 | bluetooth may be an option | 22:27 |
| nmz787 | shit, I could resell the plane's wifi | 22:28 |
| nmz787 | i bet that's against their TOS | 22:28 |
| nmz787 | CLOSED: http://code.google.com/p/cyanogenmod/issues/detail?can=2&start=0&num=100&q=&colspec=ID%20Type%20Status%20Version%20Model%20Network%20Owner%20Summary%20Stars%20Priority&groupby=&sort=&id=4272 | 22:30 |
| nmz787 | this looks good at onset! http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1371345 | 22:30 |
| nmz787 | "The current version of the application can’t forward low level ICMP packet (PING). | 22:32 |
| nmz787 | From Android Os point of vue, there is no internet connection." | 22:32 |
| Mokbortolan_ | so you've got a laptop and a phone | 22:38 |
| Mokbortolan_ | and you want to bridge wifi between them, with one device getting internet through another wifi connection | 22:38 |
| Mokbortolan_ | right? | 22:38 |
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| nmz787 | umm | 22:41 |
| nmz787 | 2 laptops, airplane wifi AP, phone | 22:41 |
| nmz787 | I think that xda-developers tool works | 22:42 |
| nmz787 | though the cyanogenmod wifi hotspot wont turn on in "airplane mode" (mobile radio off) | 22:42 |
| nmz787 | so that may piss off the airplane ppl | 22:42 |
| nmz787 | and cause us to crash | 22:42 |
| nmz787 | but I think I'll have wifi while we're doing it! | 22:42 |
| Mokbortolan_ | ahh, ok, two laptops | 22:43 |
| Mokbortolan_ | that's easy then | 22:43 |
| nmz787 | but yeah, seems to work | 22:43 |
| kanzure | yeah screw the phones, just use the laptops :P | 22:43 |
| Mokbortolan_ | what OS's? | 22:43 |
| kanzure | you can even do a lame ethernet bridge | 22:43 |
| nmz787 | laptop is connected to house wifi, reverse tethering to phone, phone acting as hotspot rebroadcasting | 22:43 |
| nmz787 | i'm on win7, other is ubuntu | 22:43 |
| kanzure | eww windows | 22:43 |
| kanzure | well, Mokbortolan_ can help you on that one i guess | 22:44 |
| Mokbortolan_ | it'd be easier if you could get another wireless card for your win7 laptop | 22:45 |
| Mokbortolan_ | then it'd be extra easy | 22:46 |
| Mokbortolan_ | just a little usb dongle | 22:46 |
| nmz787 | how to rebroadcast? is that an easy menu in win7? | 22:47 |
| nmz787 | i might be able to find one, but it would prob be $10 min, even on craigslist... and the wifi on plane is $12... though i'd have an extra dongle forever | 22:48 |
| Mokbortolan_ | yes | 22:53 |
| Mokbortolan_ | it's called Internet Connection Sharing | 22:53 |
| nmz787 | yeah this reverse tethering works for the phone, but the other laptop connecting to the phone can't get packets | 22:54 |
| Mokbortolan_ | so you'd create an ad-hoc wireless network on one NIC, then connect to the plane wifi ont he other. the ICS menu will walk you through the rest, it's designed for... non-technical people. | 22:54 |
| nmz787 | seems like an iptables goof | 22:54 |
| Mokbortolan_ | nmz787: if you were feeling less than honorable you could buy one from walmart, use it, then return it when you got back | 22:58 |
| kanzure | nmz787: happy birthday | 23:01 |
| nmz787 | that's tomorrow kanzure, but thanks! | 23:02 |
| kanzure | my tolerance is +- 1 day | 23:02 |
| nmz787 | Mokbortolan_: nah, I'm trying barnacle to see if it can deal with reverse tethering | 23:02 |
| nmz787 | I could also just USB tether to the phone, and ICS from windows | 23:03 |
| kanzure | s/tolerance/accuracy | 23:03 |
| Mokbortolan_ | that'd work too, as long as windows saw the phone as a nic | 23:04 |
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| nmz787 | trying ICS | 23:21 |
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| kanzure | aww yeahh | 23:23 |
| kanzure | https://d33ds.co/archive/yahoo-disclosure.txt | 23:23 |
| nmz787 | as I thought, ICS doesn't work | 23:28 |
| nmz787 | anything ad-hoc wifi ubuntu/linux seems to hate | 23:28 |
| nmz787 | I created a new connection, named it, gave it encryption, connected to it on windows.. try connection on ubuntu and no dice | 23:29 |
| nmz787 | wont connect | 23:29 |
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| nmz787 | kanzure: how old is that pw dump? | 23:54 |
| kanzure | 3 hours | 23:54 |
| nmz787 | tried a few gmail and yahoo mail logins, no dice | 23:55 |
| kanzure | someoen has probably changed all the passwords already | 23:55 |
| kanzure | that's what peeps do | 23:55 |
| kanzure | they run bots through dumps like this and get what they can | 23:55 |
| kanzure | but your best bet if you want access to something is to know a person or know they have an account on another service | 23:56 |
| nmz787 | got into one | 23:56 |
| nmz787 | but its all garbage email | 23:56 |
| kanzure | welcome to yahoo mail | 23:57 |
| nmz787 | no one i know is in there, luckily i guess | 23:58 |
| nmz787 | where did you find this? | 23:59 |
| kanzure | a venture capital firm's website | 23:59 |
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