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| minimoose | gm kanzure | 04:11 |
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| minimoose | etal. | 04:11 |
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| foucist | GOOD MORNING | 04:27 |
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| minimoose | gm | 05:16 |
| minimoose | Would this count as H Minus? | 05:26 |
| minimoose | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2189362/Jackie-Stallone-90-brings-inflated-trout-pout-Hollywood-premiere-son-Slys-film.html | 05:27 |
| Utopiah | prefer http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/15/sun-jifa-prosthetic-hands_n_1777168.html#slide=1382924 | 05:28 |
| minimoose | That's why I fish with bleach rather than dynamite. | 05:32 |
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| minimoose | http://www.kurzweilai.net/3d-printed-meat-development-funded?utm_source=KurzweilAI+Weekly+Newsletter&utm_campaign=79cfdc0810-UA-946742-1&utm_medium=email | 06:42 |
| ParahSailin_ | gonna be more expensive than growing whole animals | 06:45 |
| foucist | ParahSailin_: disruptive technology tends to start off more expensive then end up cheaper | 06:52 |
| ParahSailin_ | chicken meat can be produced at a feed ratio of 2 | 06:53 |
| ParahSailin_ | beat that in tissue culture | 06:54 |
| ParahSailin_ | cow can be produced out of non-food items like grass and hay | 06:54 |
| ParahSailin_ | the work needed in a factory to turn that stuff into sugar and amino acid tissue culture medium is incredibly less efficient | 06:56 |
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| nmz787 | ParahSailin_: what is the feed ratio? | 07:00 |
| ParahSailin_ | 5 lb chicken takes 10 lbs feed | 07:01 |
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| foucist | ParahSailin_: there's other factors to consider as well, such as amount of land to generate the feed required, amount of land to host the food producing mammals, the suffering that is inflicted on these animals, and so on | 07:07 |
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| nmz787 | how about water usage and amount of fertilizer required to produce that feed | 07:13 |
| nmz787 | as well as how much of that fertilizer runs off the farm into watersheds | 07:13 |
| ParahSailin_ | what are you gonna make medium out of? corn syrup? | 07:13 |
| ParahSailin_ | so its same feedstock | 07:13 |
| nmz787 | well we could just engineer algae to taste better :/ | 07:16 |
| foucist | well isn't that where the meat's gonna come from? algae or fungus or similar | 07:25 |
| foucist | or some sort of nano process hmm | 07:26 |
| @kanzure | royal society of chemistry journal pricing for 2013: http://www.rsc.org/images/New%202013%20RSC%20Price%20List_tcm18-221153.pdf | 07:41 |
| @kanzure | "All databases from 2013 will be online only (this applies to individual subscriptions and collections) and we are discontinuing the Chromatography Abstracts database" | 07:44 |
| @kanzure | gaah sciencedirect has broken the down arrow key | 07:47 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: expensive | 07:47 |
| nmz787 | its crazy that print only costs about $200 more for lab on a chip | 07:47 |
| nmz787 | $200 seems reasonable for a year of microfluidics articles | 07:47 |
| nmz787 | but not $3000 | 07:48 |
| JayDugger | Algae (spirulina and chlorella) tastes fine. | 07:49 |
| JayDugger | Just like fish food. | 07:49 |
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| JayDugger | If you can learn to drink beer, you can learn to eat algae. | 07:51 |
| nmz787 | lol | 07:53 |
| nmz787 | can you survive on algae today though, or does it need supplemented? | 07:53 |
| JayDugger | Spirulina has all essential amino acids, IIRC, but not all vitamins nor minerals. | 07:54 |
| @kanzure | here's church's latest article (the one in the news about books): | 07:54 |
| @kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bio/Church%20-%20Storing%20HTML%20and%20JavaScript%20in%20DNA%20and%20reading%20it%20out%20-%202012.pdf | 07:55 |
| @kanzure | basically he stored html and javascript in html | 07:55 |
| @kanzure | then he sequenced it and retrieved the data. | 07:55 |
| @kanzure | um | 07:55 |
| @kanzure | *html and javascript in dna | 07:55 |
| JayDugger | s/html/dna/? | 07:55 |
| JayDugger | That's not right. | 07:55 |
| @kanzure | i corrected myself already | 07:55 |
| JayDugger | what's the regular expression for the second instance> | 07:55 |
| JayDugger | Sorry. | 07:55 |
| @kanzure | well in this case it's html$ | 07:56 |
| JayDugger | "DNA has many potential advantages as a medium for immutable, high latency information storage needs." | 07:56 |
| JayDugger | Read time? Seek time? Write time? | 07:56 |
| @kanzure | duplication, error checking, etc. | 07:57 |
| @kanzure | ctrl-x ctrl-e is my new favorite bash friend | 07:58 |
| @kanzure | although, what i really want is just some way to search the current line to move my cursor.. | 07:59 |
| JayDugger | I remember a SF short story, "People of the Book"? where Moslems had the Koran encoded in their introns...but my search-fu falls. | 07:59 |
| JayDugger | fails. | 07:59 |
| JayDugger | C-M ] | 08:00 |
| JayDugger | I think that only works in reverse, though. | 08:00 |
| @kanzure | wtf is this devil magic? set -i vi; esc-3b-i .. it's sort of like vi except not? | 08:02 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: that paper has kosuri again (the guy gibson mentioned on the phone) | 08:04 |
| JayDugger | bash readline says C-] for character-search when in emacs mode, but I must use C-M-] | 08:04 |
| @kanzure | well, i use ctrl-r regularly but that's not what i want | 08:05 |
| JayDugger | reverse search history, right? | 08:05 |
| @kanzure | yes that's ctrl-r | 08:06 |
| @kanzure | oh well. vi-mode editing in bash is good enough for now. | 08:06 |
| JayDugger | You want to search on a line, I think, which C-] or M-C-] will do, if set -o emacs gets set first. | 08:06 |
| JayDugger | WFM, YMMV, etc. | 08:06 |
| @kanzure | well, i was hoping that there's some bash-internal-thing that i can use without having to add set -o lines to all .bashrc files i encounter | 08:07 |
| JayDugger | That I don't know. I just type it at the prompt if the .bashrc hasn't got it. | 08:08 |
| @kanzure | that's not useful.. usually you're in the middle of a very long entry when you realize you want to edit it | 08:08 |
| JayDugger | It's only what, 12 keystrokes? Under a second for you. | 08:08 |
| @kanzure | no my point is that if you have a huge buffer, the only thing you can do is ctrl-c and lose it, and then set -o, and then retype the original (because it wont be in your bash history because you ctrl-c'd) | 08:09 |
| @kanzure | s/huge buffer/huge line | 08:09 |
| @kanzure | oh, unless you comment it out with # and then hit enter | 08:10 |
| @kanzure | i should do that | 08:10 |
| JayDugger | Will the C-c prevent the line from writing to .bash_history? It does! I didn't know that. | 08:10 |
| JayDugger | And I didn't know that comment it out trick, eithe. | 08:11 |
| JayDugger | either. | 08:11 |
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| @kanzure | ok, so the "get out of trouble" bash editing guide: page-home, add "# " to the beginning of the line, hit enter, set -o viemacsohgod, arrow up up, then enter editing mode or uh.. ctrl-x ctrl-e if you're ok with opening $EDITOR | 08:18 |
| ParahSailin | arent all you ninjas using zsh? | 08:21 |
| @kanzure | nope i am a backwards bash user | 08:21 |
| JayDugger | bash, and punch cards! | 08:22 |
| JayDugger | none of that paper tape nonsense, | 08:22 |
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| @kanzure | japanese things http://youtube.com/watch?v=Tlje5EODTIA | 08:32 |
| @kanzure | well, i've had my dose of japanese oddities for today i guess. | 08:32 |
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| @kanzure | "Knew someone years ago who had a health food store. He had problems with people stealing product. CCTV was just starting to become common place, but was still expensive. He found somewhere that would sell you a plastic camera body shell, with a red LED sticking out of the body that would flash periodically. It cost maybe $50, where a real one would have cost $1000+." | 09:04 |
| nmz7871 | ? | 09:10 |
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| @kanzure | "John Schloendorn is the most competent biotech guy I know." | 09:11 |
| Haruspex | Well, it now cheap but in most places they don't record as it would mean a tremendous amount of space | 09:11 |
| @kanzure | evidence that eliezer is full of shit | 09:11 |
| Haruspex | *+is | 09:11 |
| Haruspex | they are generally only live feed, with maybe up to a few days worth of recordings | 09:12 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: have you seen this http://sourceforge.net/projects/pycam/ | 09:12 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: who are you quoting? | 09:13 |
| @kanzure | eliezer yudkowsky | 09:14 |
| @kanzure | basically, my nemesis. | 09:14 |
| @kanzure | uhh "Dear Dr. Bishop, Given your field of interest I would like to invite you to submit your next manuscript to the innovative new open access journal GigaScience." i guess they didn't do their research on the gigabooks brand. | 09:18 |
| @kanzure | oh it's bgi.. so it's chinese gigascience, i see. | 09:19 |
| skorket | hey, nmz787, did you figure out your max rpm issue? | 09:20 |
| nmz787 | the motor would need to turn at around 3200 RPM | 09:20 |
| nmz787 | the sparkfun 400 step motors dont have a datasheet with more than a few chinese characters on them about power | 09:21 |
| skorket | you really need 3200 rpm? | 09:24 |
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| nmz787 | to achieve the speed we want, yea | 09:25 |
| nmz787 | that's at constant velocity too | 09:25 |
| skorket | yikes. That seems pretty high, but, of course, I'm no expert. | 09:25 |
| nmz787 | i have no idea | 09:25 |
| skorket | anyway, those motors seem to have somewhere in the 100's of rpms. See here: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10846 . In the comments, someone mentions them stalling at 88 rpm | 09:26 |
| skorket | also, some useful 'ballpark' figures can be found here: http://www.velmex.com/motor_torque.html | 09:27 |
| phryk | kanzure: Do you actually have a doctors title? | 09:27 |
| nmz787 | hmm http://www.adafruit.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=31&p=117285 | 09:27 |
| skorket | their datasheets for the motors have torque vs. rpm as well, to get a sense | 09:27 |
| nmz787 | this says 1000rpm was achieved | 09:27 |
| skorket | yeah, interesting | 09:28 |
| nmz787 | seems like max RPM is limited by the controller's max pulse freq, and amperage available | 09:28 |
| nmz787 | lots of motor torque curves decrease as pulse freq increases | 09:28 |
| skorket | right, he says something about using ARDUMOTOR, so maybe he doesn't know how to configure it properly | 09:28 |
| nmz787 | that may mean i need more than the pololu controller | 09:28 |
| skorket | I saw my stepper stall out when trying to push it. I just had to decrease the pulse width and it worked fine | 09:29 |
| skorket | yes, that may be true | 09:29 |
| skorket | you might look into building your own as well | 09:29 |
| skorket | also, from the sparkfun comments, I found this: http://www.wantmotor.com/ProductsView.asp?id=157&pid=75&sid=80 | 09:32 |
| skorket | I talked to one of their representatives and they gave me a quote of $95 for 10 plus $45 for shipping | 09:33 |
| skorket | in case you have a need to to buy them right now without waiting for sparkfun to restock | 09:34 |
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| nmz787 | $95 each for quantity 10? | 09:43 |
| skorket | 9.50 each plus 4.50 (each) s+h | 09:43 |
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| nmz787 | wow | 09:51 |
| nmz787 | really cheap | 09:51 |
| nmz787 | this is the only stepper i know of that has high current and microstepping that I know of | 09:52 |
| nmz787 | http://www.allmotion.com/EZHR23ENHCDescription.htm | 09:52 |
| nmz787 | there are some allegro parts, but they don't look like they're totally ready to use | 09:54 |
| nmz787 | requires external MOSFETs http://www.allegromicro.com/en/Products/Motor-Driver-And-Interface-ICs/Bipolar-Stepper-Motor-Drivers/A4989.aspx | 09:55 |
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| skorket | what value in the datasheet determines that the a4989 is fast enough and the a4988 isn't? | 09:59 |
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| @kanzure | fenn_: http://gundam-vs.jp/ | 12:06 |
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| nmz787 | kanzure: how do I grep all the chat logs for last 2 months? | 13:18 |
| TheEmpath | grep "butts" | more | 13:18 |
| TheEmpath | less? oh god i dunno T____T | 13:19 |
| chris_99 | less is more | 13:19 |
| chris_99 | ;) | 13:19 |
| @kanzure | nmz787: grep "foo" 2012-07* | 13:19 |
| nmz787 | so i have to download them all? | 13:20 |
| @kanzure | no you can do this on gnusha | 13:20 |
| nmz787 | ok | 13:20 |
| @kanzure | cd ~gnusha/public_html/logs/ | 13:20 |
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| Mokbortolan_ | wb ThomasEgi | 13:21 |
| ThomasEgi | thx | 13:22 |
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| ParahSailin | curl http://betterthangrep.com/ack-standalone > ~/bin/ack && chmod 0755 !#:3 && ack "foo" glob | 13:27 |
| Juul | hrm, i just got three password reset emails from twitter | 13:32 |
| Juul | something is afoot! | 13:32 |
| Mariu | you have a security breach aboard your ship :o | 13:33 |
| TheEmpath | look! more hidden footprints! | 13:34 |
| Juul | this is the second time someone has attempted this, i don't know why my account is so interesting | 13:36 |
| nmz787 | http://humrep.oxfordjournals.org/content/16/3/513.full | 13:37 |
| nmz787 | whoops | 13:37 |
| nmz787 | http://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/news/2012/08/14/triclosan-antibacterial-uc-davis-study.html?ana=RSS&s=article_search | 13:37 |
| nmz787 | Study: Chemical used in hand sanitizer hinders musclesSacramento Business Journal by Kathy Robertson, Senior Staff WriterDate: Tuesday, August 14, 2012, 6:47am PDT | 13:37 |
| nmz787 | https://www.usenix.org/conference/usenixsecurity12/feasibility-side-channel-attacks-brain-computer-interfaces | 13:40 |
| nmz787 | On the Feasibility of Side-Channel Attacks with Brain-Computer InterfacesConference: USENIX Security '12 | 13:40 |
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| AdrianG | interesting | 13:52 |
| @kanzure | nmz787: http://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=skosuri | 13:54 |
| @kanzure | nmz787: here's the supplement http://db.tt/elIqsy72 | 13:57 |
| TheEmpath | heyo 10-40% successrate in using EEGs to extract numeric information from your brain http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/134682-hackers-backdoor-the-human-brain-successfully-extract-sensitive-data | 14:01 |
| TheEmpath | sorry, data in general.. not just numbers | 14:01 |
| @kanzure | can you just link to the paper instead | 14:03 |
| @kanzure | extremetech.com sounds like a spamblog | 14:03 |
| TheEmpath | heh | 14:03 |
| TheEmpath | lemme dig | 14:03 |
| @kanzure | juul: wasn't me | 14:04 |
| TheEmpath | https://www.usenix.org/system/files/conference/usenixsecurity12/sec12-final56.pdf | 14:04 |
| TheEmpath | On the Feasibility of Side-Channel Attacks with Brain-Computer Interfaces | 14:04 |
| @kanzure | i coulda sworn nmz787 just linked to that | 14:05 |
| TheEmpath | :O | 14:05 |
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| @kanzure | got a call from glasgow.. 447563051410.. i directed him to brian degger in newcastle | 14:08 |
| @kanzure | i don't remember what's near glasgow | 14:08 |
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| Steel2 | hey kanzure, I got something for you that I won't say often | 14:44 |
| @kanzure | stop stalking girls in neuroscience departments | 14:45 |
| Steel2 | I was wrong and you were right. I should have quit higher ed long ago | 14:45 |
| TheEmpath | its only gay when you're married | 14:46 |
| @kanzure | the outside world is moderately less abusive | 14:46 |
| TheEmpath | oh | 14:46 |
| TheEmpath | oops | 14:46 |
| brownies | Steel2: whoa. why? | 14:48 |
| Steel2 | my advisors are crazy assholes who are more insulting than kanzure on a tear :V | 14:48 |
| chris_99 | whatcha studying Steel2? | 14:49 |
| ParahSailin | its good to drop out of grad school | 14:49 |
| @kanzure | maybe there should be a grad school half-way house | 14:50 |
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| @kanzure | a place for students to stay while they getre-adjusted to life | 14:51 |
| @kanzure | *get re-adjusted | 14:51 |
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| brownies | kanzure is mostly harmless and bitter | 15:04 |
| brownies | Steel2: well, my sympathies/congratulations | 15:04 |
| @kanzure | bitter? | 15:04 |
| Steel2 | chris_99: nanoprinting/manufacturing | 15:05 |
| Steel2 | I'm going to see if I can take a consolation M. Eng | 15:05 |
| chris_99 | ah you're doing a PhD? | 15:05 |
| brownies | kanzure: that's the 1 of the 2 you chose to question? good to know ;) | 15:06 |
| @kanzure | brownies: it is better that you think i am harmless because then it's easy to surprise you | 15:06 |
| Steel2 | chris_99 I was doing MS | 15:06 |
| brownies | hah. | 15:06 |
| chris_99 | MS=Masters? | 15:06 |
| Steel2 | yeah | 15:07 |
| Steel2 | masters of engineering is non-research based | 15:07 |
| Steel2 | so I'd basically be saying 'fuck it' about my thesis | 15:07 |
| GANAESH | hi | 15:07 |
| Steel2 | hi | 15:07 |
| GANAESH | hi guys | 15:08 |
| GANAESH | Is this some kind of sophisticated chat system? | 15:08 |
| ParahSailin | nah, irc is cold war era technology | 15:09 |
| GANAESH | ???? | 15:09 |
| strangewarp | Oh, you're using the web applet | 15:09 |
| strangewarp | That's merely a portal to IRC, which is best accessed via standalone programs | 15:10 |
| ParahSailin | there are small demons in your machine that enable you to talk to other people | 15:11 |
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| GANAESH | Hi guys....have used many commercial kits for dna purifications and extractions...am seeking platforms where I can learn the art of developing my own home grown organic kits | 15:17 |
| GANAESH | advice/suggestions/directions? | 15:17 |
| @kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/faq can help | 15:18 |
| GANAESH | even cloning ......though may looks far-fetched | 15:18 |
| GANAESH | I am fan of Robin cook | 15:19 |
| GANAESH | any new outcome? | 15:19 |
| GANAESH | thanks kanzure | 15:19 |
| @kanzure | there is also http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/faq/projects and http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/faq/methods and http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/faq/equipment | 15:20 |
| GANAESH | Thanks buddy | 15:26 |
| GANAESH | I am going thru the links u hv provided | 15:27 |
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| @kanzure | i wonder if there's a vulnerability in ojs | 16:22 |
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| delinquentme | anyone happen to know the WEIGHT of a 3.5" HD | 17:23 |
| delinquentme | just a rounded number | 17:23 |
| Juul | 0.75 kg | 17:28 |
| jrayhawk | there's a lot of variance due to number of platters | 17:30 |
| Juul | still, probably between 600 and 800 grams | 17:32 |
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| delinquentme | 625g | 17:37 |
| delinquentme | yeah | 17:37 |
| chris_99 | are you seeing if it gets heavier with more data on ;) | 17:40 |
| @kanzure | nmz787: what about a koh-etched needle thing? did we consider that ever? | 17:41 |
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| delinquentme | chris_99, haha nah ! wasnt there tons of stuff about that a few months back? | 17:56 |
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| chris_99 | might have been, i always found that idea quite amusing though | 18:03 |
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| tashoutang | morning | 18:20 |
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| delinquentme | anyone in here have any robotics work sourced to india =D ? | 19:40 |
| AdrianG | nop | 19:41 |
| AdrianG | what r u trying to outsource | 19:41 |
| delinquentme | Looking at these crazy controllers people make to control steppers and shit | 19:42 |
| delinquentme | IDK | 19:42 |
| delinquentme | it seems that the industry is really into building big bulky shit | 19:42 |
| delinquentme | theres no good abstraction for stepper motors | 19:45 |
| delinquentme | AccelStepper is Schmeh. | 19:45 |
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| JayDugger | Good evening, everyone. | 20:17 |
| alusion | Good evening JayDugger. | 20:24 |
| @kanzure | does anyone have a copy of shellcoder's handbook? | 20:24 |
| tashoutang | GE avery one | 20:25 |
| Steel2 | sup | 20:30 |
| brownies | kanzure: http://about.jstor.org/rr | 20:49 |
| brownies | kanzure: ^ highly relevant to your interests | 20:49 |
| @kanzure | "When you find an article that’s part of Register & Read, click on the “Get Access” option." | 20:51 |
| @kanzure | ok, so how many articles is that | 20:51 |
| brownies | hm, yeah, maybe not | 20:51 |
| @kanzure | "Register & Read includes approximately 75 journals from more than 40 publishers, a subset of the content in JSTOR." | 20:51 |
| brownies | word on the street is that the subset of journals they've opened up is especially shitty | 20:51 |
| @kanzure | oh at least they put it in a god damn list http://about.jstor.org/sites/default/files/jstor-register-read-titles-2012-06.xls | 20:51 |
| brownies | i just had a crazy idea | 20:52 |
| brownies | what if we got like 10,000 nerds together... everyone puts in $5 ... and we just buy a subscription to all the journals? | 20:53 |
| @kanzure | brownies: because that will buy approximately 1 journal subscription | 20:54 |
| brownies | kanzure: hm. well, shit. | 20:54 |
| @kanzure | and the chances that everyone wants to read from that 1 journal... is pretty low | 20:54 |
| @kanzure | ok the spam account for that myjstor is jfksdalfasdjfas@mailinator.com / jfksdalfasdjfas | 20:55 |
| @kanzure | http://www.jstor.org/stable/25076320 | 20:57 |
| @kanzure | so how do i know if this is the 'register and read' bullshit? | 20:57 |
| ParahSailin_ | brownies, its the principle of not paying | 20:57 |
| @kanzure | why the hell isn't there a "type in a url to a .xls file and get back a web view" service | 20:58 |
| @kanzure | who the hell wants to download .xls? | 20:58 |
| @kanzure | i hate this planet | 20:58 |
| brownies | to an Excel file? | 20:58 |
| brownies | oh, lol @ that | 20:59 |
| @kanzure | ok so it says that 'Modern Law Review' should be accessible | 21:01 |
| @kanzure | http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/41415403?uid=3739920&uid=4574702707&uid=2134&uid=4574702697&uid=2&uid=70&uid=3&uid=3739256&uid=60&sid=21101153260047 | 21:01 |
| @kanzure | this says "Preview or purchase options are not available" | 21:01 |
| @kanzure | "ou may be able to access this item through one of the over 9,000 institutions that subscribe to JSTOR." | 21:01 |
| @kanzure | oh but this one does: | 21:02 |
| @kanzure | http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/1089336?uid=3739920&uid=4574702707&uid=2134&uid=4574702697&uid=2&uid=70&uid=3&uid=3739256&uid=60&sid=21101153260047 | 21:02 |
| @kanzure | http://www.jstor.org/action/showShelf?candidate=10.2307/1089336 | 21:02 |
| @kanzure | it seems to submit a form by doi value.. i wonder if they will allow any doi value to be entered? are they doing validation? | 21:03 |
| @kanzure | "Item can be removed from shelf in 13 days." wtf fuck them. why wouldn't i just open a million accounts to get around this? | 21:05 |
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| skorket | how's everybody doing? | 23:18 |
| tashoutang | fine | 23:22 |
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| @kanzure | beep boop | 23:52 |
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