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| Mokbortolan_1 | check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wu5XIfzh6J8 | 01:12 |
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| Mokbortolan_1 | cloth electronics demo circuit I built w/my daughter this weekend | 01:12 |
| nmz787 | pretty cool | 01:17 |
| Mokbortolan_1 | I particularly liked how I could just .. tie things to the LED pins with thread | 01:19 |
| Mokbortolan_1 | that was nice | 01:19 |
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| archels | Mokbortolan_1: This video has been removed by the user. | 06:39 |
| archels | what | 06:39 |
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| archels | kanzure: Why is KurzweilAI running news stories on this Extreme Futurist event? | 06:46 |
| archels | oh, then again, there's that weird episode where Ray was crossdressing as 'Ramona'. | 06:46 |
| @kanzure | "extreme futurist festival" is just some terrible conference | 06:57 |
| @kanzure | kurzweilai.net will basically run any story you send them | 06:57 |
| archels | evidently. | 07:10 |
| archels | unrelated http://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=2349257 | 07:10 |
| archels | "Quality happens only when someone is responsible for it." | 07:10 |
| @kanzure | no it just magically appears | 07:20 |
| @kanzure | Mokbortolan_1: you should show us your brain visualization widget | 07:21 |
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| foucist | archels: more importantly, why are you even looking @ kurzweil's site? :P | 07:41 |
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| archels | foucist: meh, their newsletter runs interesting stuff now and again. | 07:44 |
| archels | sure beats the futurity.org newsletter. | 07:47 |
| @kanzure | archels: both of these sites are terrible | 07:50 |
| @kanzure | how about you just read logs in here? | 07:50 |
| @kanzure | nextbigfuture used to be okay, i dunno about any more | 07:51 |
| foucist | # ./irclogs2newsletter \#\#hplusroadmap.log | 07:52 |
| archels | kanzure: get some RSS feed bot in here that posts interesting links. | 07:52 |
| foucist | Error: cannot parse information from all the noise. | 07:52 |
| @kanzure | Error: too many glowing cats, fuck | 07:52 |
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| foucist | i second the RSS feed bot motion | 07:54 |
| foucist | that might be interesting | 07:54 |
| foucist | although i predict i'll get pissed off at the link spam anyways | 07:54 |
| foucist | ;) | 07:54 |
| * foucist doesn't really like clicking irc links anyways | 07:54 | |
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| @kanzure | when i was a young warthog. | 07:56 |
| @kanzure | archels: the problem with your rss-posting-bot idea is that most links are terrible | 07:58 |
| @kanzure | and delinquentme will orgasm over anything, and then we all have to share in the misery of stopping him | 07:58 |
| archels | haha | 07:59 |
| archels | but you're right, of course. | 07:59 |
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| @kanzure | so who exactly would want to rent textbook chapters? http://reference-tree.com/ :/ | 08:03 |
| @kanzure | http://www.slugbooks.com/ seems to be ok for comparing textbook prices | 08:03 |
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| Mokbortolan_1 | kanzure: which brain vis widget? | 09:38 |
| Mokbortolan_1 | I have one of those? | 09:38 |
| @kanzure | you said you were making one a while back | 09:40 |
| Mokbortolan_1 | uhhhhhh | 09:40 |
| * Mokbortolan_1 thinks. | 09:40 | |
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| archels | Mokbortolan_1: What happened to the wearable electronics video? | 10:42 |
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| Mokbortolan_1 | I moved it | 10:57 |
| Mokbortolan_1 | https://plus.google.com/115985833404672558790/posts/8vntr7Xa65x | 10:57 |
| Mokbortolan_1 | made a better video | 10:57 |
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| archels | pretty neat | 11:13 |
| archels | What's the resistivity of that conductive cloth? | 11:13 |
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| chris_99 | have you guys heard of the MS project that is designed to let you attach different devices using your skin as a conductor | 11:17 |
| archels | yes | 11:18 |
| archels | I'm not sure I'd want that kind of EM fields through my body. | 11:18 |
| chris_99 | it's gonna be very low current, should be fine | 11:20 |
| chris_99 | (i hope ;) | 11:20 |
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| ThomasEgi | hm.. i know about some medical camera capsules that can be swalloed to take pictures of the digetstive system. it uses electric fields too. altho it is not very fast in transmittion. | 11:32 |
| ThomasEgi | i wonder why MS would reinvent this wheel, i mean bluetooth was made for exactly that purpose | 11:33 |
| Mokbortolan_1 | archels: not sure, I think 9ohm/sqft | 11:33 |
| Mokbortolan_1 | https://plus.google.com/115985833404672558790/posts/8vntr7Xa65x | 11:34 |
| Mokbortolan_1 | whoops | 11:34 |
| Mokbortolan_1 | surface resistivity < 0.5/sq (unstretched) | 11:34 |
| Mokbortolan_1 | sq what?!? | 11:34 |
| Mokbortolan_1 | oh | 11:35 |
| Mokbortolan_1 | https://plus.google.com/115985833404672558790/posts/8vntr7Xa65x | 11:35 |
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| archels | pretty good order of magnitude I guess. You could always fold it into a few layers to decrease the resistance further. | 11:48 |
| archels | < AdrianG> they should GMO ephedra to methedra | 11:50 |
| archels | (this is just now from #reddit-nootropics) | 11:50 |
| archels | Why don't we have rogue biohackers that try to make psychoactive drugs with plants? | 11:51 |
| archels | (or fungi or eukaryotic cells for that matter) | 11:51 |
| yashgaroth | "oh no mr. fbi, biohacking is perfectly safe, don't worry" "well what are you making with it?" "...meth" | 11:52 |
| @kanzure | "super meth" | 11:52 |
| yashgaroth | and designing an entirely new enzyme to catalyze ephedrine to methamphetamine costs more than people seem to think | 11:53 |
| @kanzure | archels: why do they have to be rogue? | 11:54 |
| archels | because they are engineered to produce drugs that are considered rogue. | 11:54 |
| ParahSailin | desoxyn is prescription drug | 11:55 |
| archels | Apparently, amphetamines are naturally synthesized in plants and trees. | 12:00 |
| archels | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_psychoactive_plants | 12:00 |
| yashgaroth | yep | 12:02 |
| yashgaroth | almost all the common drugs are from plants or simple derivatives thereof | 12:03 |
| archels | So we'll just copy all the enzymes involved in that pathway and overexpress them in some sort of organism. | 12:03 |
| @kanzure | like, a plant | 12:05 |
| @kanzure | and then call it a hairy root culture | 12:05 |
| yashgaroth | for most of them you'll have to discover the enzymes in the pathway first, though I'm not sure how much research has been done on poppies/coca/ma huang/ergot | 12:06 |
| chris_99 | isn't LSD very similar to ergot | 12:07 |
| yashgaroth | and then tweaking since the native plant has had quite a lot of time to optimize production in the context of its other 20,000 proteins | 12:07 |
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| yashgaroth | yes it is, just add ethylamide or something | 12:07 |
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| yashgaroth | so for a legit company, there's little point since the 'activating' chemical modifications are super cheap when you can do them legally and at scale | 12:09 |
| yashgaroth | however if you just want a plant that doesn't look like [illegal plant] but instead looks like daffodils, then maybe | 12:10 |
| chris_99 | do any governements have a blanket ban on molecules containing a specific group of atoms? | 12:11 |
| yashgaroth | yes | 12:11 |
| chris_99 | such as? | 12:11 |
| yashgaroth | .wik federal analog act | 12:11 |
| yashgaroth | oh no where's paperbot | 12:11 |
| yashgaroth | anyway yeah the US has the analog act | 12:11 |
| chris_99 | cheers interesting | 12:11 |
| chris_99 | the UK doesn't have that i presume? | 12:12 |
| chris_99 | as we seem to have a lot of 'legal drugs' | 12:12 |
| chris_99 | *legal high | 12:12 |
| yashgaroth | yeah the mephedrone menace | 12:12 |
| chris_99 | yah | 12:12 |
| yashgaroth | that one's based on khat iirc | 12:13 |
| chris_99 | theres things like ecstacy clones and all sorts i believe | 12:13 |
| yashgaroth | ecstasy is still an ephedrine derivative | 12:13 |
| chris_99 | ephedrine being what sorry? | 12:14 |
| yashgaroth | amphetamine, basically | 12:14 |
| chris_99 | aha | 12:14 |
| yashgaroth | ephedrine is the chemical which all the amphetamines are derived from, since it occurs naturally | 12:14 |
| chris_99 | interesting, wheres it occur? | 12:15 |
| yashgaroth | ma huang | 12:15 |
| chris_99 | http://centurysupplements.com/ma-huang-rp-capsules so that is pure ephedrine? | 12:16 |
| yashgaroth | it's like with poppies/morphine and heroin and oxycodone; the natural form is pretty good but then you add an ethyl group or something and BAM | 12:16 |
| chris_99 | aha gotcha | 12:17 |
| chris_99 | oh that was only 25mg of ma huang extract apparenlty | 12:18 |
| yashgaroth | it's really grey area since the plant is legal | 12:19 |
| chris_99 | heh interesting | 12:19 |
| yashgaroth | in california it was legal until this year, still legal in canada etc | 12:19 |
| yashgaroth | places with meth problems tend to outlaw it | 12:19 |
| chris_99 | makes sense, makes me wonder why the 'Breaking bad' crew don't grow the stuff ;) | 12:20 |
| yashgaroth | I think they do something like that, since the methylamine just adds that final methyl group | 12:22 |
| yashgaroth | then again phenol etc is relatively easy to get, and you don't have to purify it out of some leaves | 12:22 |
| yashgaroth | idk I'm not a chemist | 12:23 |
| chris_99 | theres no such thing as a matter assembler yet is there, in any form? | 12:25 |
| yashgaroth | depends how vague you want to be with your terms, but no | 12:33 |
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| nmz787 | there are also two papers that list an acacia tree in west texas as having meth and amphetamine | 13:01 |
| nmz787 | but they were by the same authors so it's hard to say if its reliable | 13:01 |
| nmz787 | from wiki "amphetamine" article "In 1997 and 1998,[58][59] researchers at Texas A&M University claimed to have found amphetamine and methamphetamine in the foliage of two Acacia species native to Texas, A. berlandieri andA. rigidula. Previously, both of these compounds had been thought to be human inventions. These findings have never been duplicated, and the analyses are believed by many biochemists to be the result of experim | 13:02 |
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| HaXB1n | hi, do you know where I can get how to synthesize Dopamine (protocol)? | 15:16 |
| @kanzure | how about ewen's method | 15:22 |
| @kanzure | http://movementdisorders.org/education/onlinecme/levodopa/print.pdf | 15:22 |
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| @kanzure | yashgaroth: are you sure all synthesizers require a gas supply? | 15:26 |
| yashgaroth | did I say that? | 15:27 |
| @kanzure | are you implying that? | 15:27 |
| TheEmpath | what is "is"? | 15:27 |
| @kanzure | oh sorry | 15:27 |
| @kanzure | that's not you, that's max | 15:27 |
| @kanzure | the other max | 15:27 |
| EnLilaSko- | Is = ice | 15:27 |
| @kanzure | fuck | 15:27 |
| yashgaroth | what | 15:27 |
| @kanzure | it's max hodak, not you | 15:27 |
| @kanzure | sorry :( | 15:28 |
| @kanzure | max is running a 'remote lab equipment over the web' operation | 15:28 |
| @kanzure | so he should be knowledgable about synthesizers; so now i'm sort of confused | 15:28 |
| @kanzure | i'm pretty sure must microarrayers don't use argon environments | 15:28 |
| yashgaroth | oh ok | 15:28 |
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| @kanzure | yashgaroth: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/diybio/CUKEhuS-jus | 15:33 |
| yashgaroth | yeah I mean it's probably true | 15:33 |
| @kanzure | i wonder how i missed that? | 15:34 |
| @kanzure | i mean what about all the microfluidic phosphoramidite synthesizers? they are always liquid-phase reactions | 15:34 |
| @kanzure | and sometimes there's air/gas to force valves to open/close.. but that doesn't reaaally count | 15:34 |
| yashgaroth | I could understand no oxygen, but nitrogen? shit's hella stable | 15:36 |
| @kanzure | adding gas to a system is just another subsystem of work and things to do, so my first reaction is to choose a simpler system | 15:37 |
| @kanzure | if you can't get the reaction stability under control, i can see how gas is a good idea | 15:37 |
| @kanzure | s/stability/yield\/stability\/purity | 15:37 |
| @kanzure | still, i don't think $20,000 is a reasonable project price for a giant microarrayer | 15:39 |
| yashgaroth | true | 15:39 |
| @kanzure | i think delinquentme assembled his crummy liquid mover for <$5000 | 15:40 |
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| @kanzure | teklord: hi | 16:07 |
| teklord | Hello | 16:07 |
| @kanzure | what brings you here? | 16:16 |
| teklord | Im here because of my inerest in transhumanism, cyborg technology, etc. | 16:18 |
| teklord | However, I am a skeptic and dislike the dogmatic Kurzweilian Singularitarians | 16:18 |
| @kanzure | well, you're in the right place.. we're the official ray kurzweil eliezer yudkowsky hater club | 16:20 |
| * teklord high fives * | 16:21 | |
| teklord | I'm looking for documentaries on retro-futurism. Any suggestions? | 16:27 |
| yashgaroth | as in steampunk or hovercars? | 16:28 |
| teklord | No. | 16:28 |
| teklord | As in atomic-age sc8ience speculation of the future | 16:29 |
| teklord | Google the term. | 16:29 |
| yashgaroth | oh, I did...looks like hovercars | 16:30 |
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| teklord | Sorry for the poor typing skills, I'm on a crappy little netbook with missing keys. < Very difficult to type. | 16:30 |
| yashgaroth | I don't actually know of any, though I'd be interested to know as well | 16:30 |
| teklord | Youtube has a neat video called "1960s futuristic homes and kitchens" | 16:31 |
| yashgaroth | oh cool I'll check it out | 16:32 |
| @kanzure | meh just slap up a picture of bucky fuller and call it done | 16:41 |
| teklord | On the "downloading hardware over the web" video series on gnusha.org, the first video mentions scientology. What are they talking about? Ive read a lot about them recently. | 16:49 |
| @kanzure | wait, why does it mention scientiology | 16:50 |
| @kanzure | *scientology | 16:50 |
| teklord | That is what I am asking. | 16:50 |
| @kanzure | ignore it | 16:50 |
| Mokbortolan_1 | SCIENtology, it's got some of the same letters at SCIENce | 16:50 |
| teklord | I would like to know what the sea org is doing. | 16:50 |
| @kanzure | teklord: publicity | 16:51 |
| @kanzure | :( | 16:51 |
| teklord | Ah, okay. Scientology isnt very good at that, though. | 16:51 |
| @kanzure | i don't think publicity should be the goal if you are trying to do better seasteading | 16:51 |
| @kanzure | so i don't see the relevance? | 16:51 |
| @kanzure | oh you are probably talking about the end of patri friedman's presentation | 16:52 |
| @kanzure | i think it appears in the first few seconds of video | 16:52 |
| teklord | I am. | 16:52 |
| brownies | why does his video mention scientology? | 16:52 |
| @kanzure | i think he was trying to make a joke, i forget | 16:52 |
| teklord | It seems like a joke, but I was instantly interested in the subject as soon as I heard it because I have been reading a lot about their pyramid scheme / slavery. | 16:53 |
| teklord | Acually, for a good laugh you should watch the Steve fishman interview on Google Video. Searching for "fishman scientology" should yeild results. | 16:54 |
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| tashoutang | morninig | 17:29 |
| jrayhawk | teklord: http://www.google.com/search?q=apple+future+shock&tbm=vid | 17:35 |
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| jrayhawk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EC5sbdvnvQM which manages to be adorably anachronistic and remarkably precient | 17:38 |
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| jrayhawk | http://www.google.com/search?q=a+day+made+of+glass&tbm=vid is some modern futurism | 17:39 |
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| @kanzure | "Thiel sold the shares at an average price of $19.73, earning him nearly $400 million for his original $500,000 investment" | 18:50 |
| @kanzure | oh. so much for my $10 billion estimate. | 18:50 |
| tashoutang | 關閉下列語言的翻譯功能：英文On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Conor <fennell.conor@gmail.com> wrote: | 18:51 |
| tashoutang | Coming from a programming background, I am looking for the: * The "hello world" projects of Synthetic Biology. * What are the generic tools a Synthetic Biologist uses * Best practice guides to "programming" your bacteria :) * How do you fail quickly, have small feedback loops in your experiments. * Whats the | 18:51 |
| tashoutang | equivalent of design, implement, test ( Repeat) for synthetic biology. | 18:51 |
| tashoutang | does anyone know what the synthetic biology is? | 18:52 |
| yashgaroth | it's what people call genetic engineering now that genetic engineering apparently is evil, or something | 18:52 |
| @kanzure | tashoutang: it's just genetic engineering | 18:52 |
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| @kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/faq answers these questions and more | 18:53 |
| @kanzure | yashgaroth: or if you feel the need to be helpful, maybe you could update some of the q/a.. | 18:53 |
| yashgaroth | yeeeeah | 18:53 |
| tashoutang | ohhhhhh..... | 18:53 |
| @kanzure | i doubt that programmers are going to stop applying programming analogies | 18:54 |
| @kanzure | but, just because they think it's programming, doesn't confer them any particular molecular biology skills | 18:55 |
| @kanzure | (although it certainly helps with bioinformatics stuff) | 18:55 |
| @kanzure | maybe there is something more productive we could point them to? | 18:55 |
| brownies | oh, you actually wrote answers | 18:58 |
| @kanzure | sort of.. these are the "old" answers | 18:58 |
| tashoutang | @K: offerring them the conditions and parameters...??? | 18:58 |
| @kanzure | tashoutang: what? | 18:58 |
| @kanzure | brownies: but here are the questions extracted from my archives.. http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/faq/better-questions/ | 18:59 |
| tashoutang | I mean "the molecular biology skills "means the annealing temp,... | 18:59 |
| tashoutang | something like that...? | 18:59 |
| brownies | "I am a programmer: what is the "hello world" of synthetic biology or genetic engineering?" | 19:00 |
| tashoutang | OH I see your archives | 19:00 |
| brownies | i demand an answer to this one | 19:00 |
| @kanzure | most programmers (when they ask questions like "What is the hello world of biology?") are not asking about annealing temperatures.. | 19:00 |
| JayDugger | A: Boil water. | 19:00 |
| @kanzure | brownies: um. culturing bacteria. | 19:01 |
| tashoutang | ha | 19:01 |
| @kanzure | or doing a pcr reaction | 19:01 |
| brownies | create a swan-necked flask... and leave it outside. forever. | 19:01 |
| yashgaroth | running a gel | 19:01 |
| @kanzure | brownies: the problem is that people think that the "hello world" is some sort of genetic engineering project, where they can make their cats sing songs on the first day or something | 19:01 |
| brownies | doing a basic PCR seems reasonable. | 19:01 |
| yashgaroth | it's hard to compare when 'hello world' is a 5 minute explanation unless you've never seen a computer | 19:01 |
| @kanzure | "PCR" is not programming though :P | 19:01 |
| brownies | kanzure: i understand. first hello world, then glowing cats. | 19:01 |
| @kanzure | i imagine that most programmers expect "hello world" to mean "i want to make a plasmid with my own custom gene" or "i want to modify the genome of an organism" | 19:02 |
| brownies | kanzure: well, the idea is just that it should be a basic exercise that gives you a glimpse of a bunch of things | 19:02 |
| brownies | why? are most programmers idiots? | 19:02 |
| brownies | ...ok, but still. | 19:02 |
| @kanzure | there is a huge influx of programmers into synthetic biology that get SO EXCITED that "biology is like computers!!" | 19:03 |
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| @kanzure | brb | 19:03 |
| @kanzure | oh, nevermind. phone. | 19:03 |
| yashgaroth | creating the plasmid = figuring out what DNA you need, ordering it, ordering primers and/or digest mixes, running the digests/pcr/ligations, putting that on a gel... | 19:03 |
| yashgaroth | and then the other 80% I won't bother typing | 19:03 |
| yashgaroth | I mean, I understand where the mailing list is coming from...it's a lot easier to just answer individual questions than writing a huge faq | 19:04 |
| yashgaroth | and with a faq you need to figure out where each person's understanding level is at | 19:04 |
| @kanzure | yashgaroth: and then lots of debugging on each of those steps because FUCK | 19:04 |
| yashgaroth | and you can't say "read this book" because they run away crying | 19:04 |
| @kanzure | "oh i seem to have contaminated my $300 oligo order" shiiiit | 19:05 |
| yashgaroth | "hey my pcr didn't work, [bunch of useless details], what happened?!?!?" | 19:05 |
| @kanzure | hah | 19:05 |
| yashgaroth | like should we expect people to know how pcr works? | 19:05 |
| @kanzure | well, from a "programmer getting introduced to synthetic biology", no | 19:06 |
| yashgaroth | it's not like understanding assembly language or something, but 'mix it together and it might work' isn't enough | 19:06 |
| brownies | i don't understand this attitude | 19:06 |
| brownies | at all | 19:06 |
| yashgaroth | which | 19:06 |
| brownies | do programmers get together and worry if other people will understand their answers, with their soft little brains? | 19:06 |
| @kanzure | huh? | 19:06 |
| JayDugger | Yes. | 19:06 |
| brownies | no. they just write an FAQ. with some answers. if people don't understand the answers, they google until they understand it. | 19:06 |
| @kanzure | well, no, they come in here and ask | 19:06 |
| brownies | yashgaroth: the whole "you can't say 'read this book' because they run away crying" | 19:07 |
| @kanzure | or to the mailing ilst (more likely) | 19:07 |
| JayDugger | Really? Not my experience, at least at work. | 19:07 |
| brownies | bah, i say. read ALL the books! | 19:07 |
| yashgaroth | yes but there is no resource even barely comparable to programming knowledge | 19:07 |
| @kanzure | yeah a lot of these things are social knowledge transfer in labs | 19:07 |
| yashgaroth | well I wish they were all like you brownies | 19:07 |
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| @kanzure | so even if they do read the books, | 19:07 |
| @kanzure | these people come in with pre-conceived notions | 19:07 |
| @kanzure | "biology MUST be like programming because otherwise it would be absurd" | 19:07 |
| brownies | yashgaroth: they can be | 19:07 |
| yashgaroth | getting into synbio isn't like getting into programming, it's like getting into AI development | 19:07 |
| brownies | yashgaroth: by writing for that audience, you scare off all the dumb people... problem solved! | 19:07 |
| @kanzure | ai development isn't a good analogy :P | 19:08 |
| yashgaroth | can't I just shout at them instead? then it's cathartic | 19:08 |
| brownies | you sound like a guy who's never developed AI -_- | 19:08 |
| yashgaroth | exactly, I have no idea about it, but want to get into it despite not knowing programming | 19:08 |
| yashgaroth | programming:biology AI dev:synbio | 19:08 |
| yashgaroth | or whatever | 19:08 |
| @kanzure | what? :P | 19:08 |
| yashgaroth | err, :: | 19:09 |
| brownies | o.O | 19:09 |
| yashgaroth | I can't imagine getting into synbio without a background in regular biology, I mean | 19:09 |
| brownies | so what? don't most reasonable people know biology? | 19:09 |
| brownies | ...ok, fine, but still. | 19:09 |
| @kanzure | not to the level that you need to make a basic hello world project work | 19:09 |
| brownies | well, *i* do, so... let's get started on building me a glowing cat, dammit! | 19:10 |
| @kanzure | brownies what biology background do you have anyway? | 19:10 |
| @kanzure | i know it's not material to the conversation, i'm just curious | 19:10 |
| yashgaroth | and it's all fun for making a glowing petri dish, but if they have no fucking clue about any aspect of biology other than running three protocols, what's the point | 19:10 |
| @kanzure | i think a really good example is xp_prg who used to come in here and hang out on diybio | 19:11 |
| @kanzure | he was definitely more from a software background | 19:11 |
| brownies | kanzure: i never told you i started off wanting to be in bioengineering? | 19:12 |
| @kanzure | no | 19:12 |
| brownies | well... yeah. | 19:12 |
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| @kanzure | brownies: i also don't know if you have any lab experience, or what your academic knowledge of biology is | 19:12 |
| brownies | i'm no bio genius but i have decent lab experience and i read all the things | 19:12 |
| @kanzure | lab experience in molecular/genetics stuff? | 19:12 |
| brownies | ah, i worked in a lab for a while, on drug engineering stuff | 19:13 |
| @kanzure | antibody stuff? | 19:13 |
| yashgaroth | or small molecule? | 19:13 |
| brownies | nah, time-release coatings | 19:13 |
| @kanzure | isn't that a chemistry lab? :p | 19:13 |
| @kanzure | or materials | 19:13 |
| brownies | yeah, i guess my lab background is more chemistry | 19:13 |
| brownies | i ran a gel at some point though. no PCR, though. | 19:14 |
| @kanzure | i haven't worked in a chemistry lab, so i don't want to sound snobbish making comparisons | 19:14 |
| brownies | haha | 19:14 |
| @kanzure | but.. isn't chemistry more repeatable? | 19:14 |
| yashgaroth | not when it's getting digested by biology | 19:15 |
| @kanzure | like if you run a reaction at the right temperature, pressure, etc., you can variably expect it to just fucking work? | 19:15 |
| brownies | kanzure: isn't programming just a bunch of for loops? | 19:15 |
| brownies | like... if you put the variables in... it just works? | 19:15 |
| brownies | ;) | 19:15 |
| @kanzure | yes | 19:15 |
| @kanzure | compared to biology, programming is fairly straightforward.. read the documentation, write some code, run the incantations. | 19:16 |
| @kanzure | (oh and piss/swear during the whole thing for added benefit) | 19:16 |
| JayDugger | Covered under the "incantations." | 19:17 |
| brownies | rofl | 19:17 |
| brownies | kanzure: i guess you've only done apps and scrapers, though, right | 19:17 |
| brownies | (time for me to be snooty about programming!) | 19:17 |
| @kanzure | i've done all sorts of crazy projects | 19:17 |
| @kanzure | once a long time ago i was writing C networking libraries for winsocks, but i don't know why | 19:18 |
| @kanzure | uhm that shouldn't be plural | 19:18 |
| tashoutang | it is very interesting about your conversation about "programmer" vs. "biology knowledge".... | 19:19 |
| @kanzure | so i find genomecompilercorp to be sorta hilarious | 19:19 |
| @kanzure | "IT'S A COMPILER!!" is basically to appease all the people asking "So where is my synthetic biology compiler wink wink"... | 19:19 |
| @kanzure | but in reality it's just some actionscript/adobe air crap | 19:19 |
| @kanzure | i'm sure you can implement a compiler in actionscript but realistically it's an abuse of the word :p | 19:20 |
| @kanzure | it's more about the expectations.. in programming you expect there to be official documentation. in biology it's more like "well somebody may have asked that same question before, or there might be some theory you can apply to figure out an answer, but yeah you basically have to search to find an answer to figure out your next step" | 19:23 |
| tashoutang | @k: so you basicly think that the "pure programmer" has too simple idea about biological issues.... | 19:24 |
| brownies | i really feel like your overly narrow view of programming is constraining this metaphor | 19:24 |
| tashoutang | they make conclusions too quickly | 19:24 |
| brownies | or maybe we should swap out the phrase "programming" with "computer science" | 19:24 |
| @kanzure | brownies: well, i know what "hello world" is heh.. | 19:24 |
| brownies | "hey man, how do i optimize this approximation of a solution to an NP-complete problem?" | 19:25 |
| @kanzure | and http://wp.moma.org/talk_to_me/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Paola-Antonelli_011.jpg | 19:25 |
| brownies | "oh yeah, bro, just check out the official docs" | 19:25 |
| brownies | kanzure: you see? -_- | 19:25 |
| @kanzure | that took at least a summer of 4 or 5 grad students being beaten | 19:25 |
| brownies | haha | 19:25 |
| delinquentme | SOO | 19:25 |
| @kanzure | you can do that project on your own, but it's not like it's documented well | 19:25 |
| delinquentme | I ate some Kale today | 19:25 |
| delinquentme | and I think like | 19:25 |
| delinquentme | my insides are like " WTFMATE" | 19:25 |
| @kanzure | brownies: no, i'm not talking about actual computer science :) | 19:26 |
| jrayhawk | dehydrated kale is unbelievably addictive | 19:26 |
| delinquentme | jrayhawk, I've heard that! | 19:27 |
| delinquentme | also that it gets sweeter when its had a frost? | 19:27 |
| jrayhawk | that's an interesting claim | 19:27 |
| @kanzure | i tried to wash a cricket down my sink drain two days ago | 19:28 |
| @kanzure | now my drain pipes are chirping | 19:28 |
| brownies | kanzure: well, ok, but "look up docs and follow the instructions" is basically analogous to carrying out basic chemical reactions that people have done since the beginning of time | 19:28 |
| yashgaroth | dehydrated crickets are also unbelievably addictive | 19:28 |
| @kanzure | brownies: molecular biology techniques, like pcr, are relatively new | 19:29 |
| @kanzure | <50 years old | 19:29 |
| jrayhawk | if you have problems with insoluable fiber you might want to treat your gut better | 19:29 |
| brownies | kanzure: so is iOS | 19:29 |
| @kanzure | programming languages are different though.. | 19:29 |
| @kanzure | you have a set of syntax that you can apply and the compiler can tell you if you're right/wrong | 19:29 |
| @kanzure | plus definitive documentation (with lots of sucky edge cases, missing docs, etc., but more often than not a good attempt at letting you use the device) | 19:30 |
| tashoutang | @K: yeah, I agree with you, biological issues are not that simple.. | 19:31 |
| strangewarp | Kale is a super good food, I ought to eat it more often | 19:31 |
| jrayhawk | oh, right, sugar is anti-freeze | 19:32 |
| @kanzure | yashgaroth: maybe i'm just blowing smoke up brownies' ass. how has your python adventures been going? | 19:33 |
| @kanzure | *have | 19:33 |
| yashgaroth | well the freeze/thaw is probably lysing vesicles that have sugar in them | 19:33 |
| yashgaroth | uhh pretty good I guess, since it was designed entirely by rational humans | 19:33 |
| brownies | kanzure: yeah, but that's just infrastructure, and (somewhat) orthogonal to the actual science | 19:33 |
| yashgaroth | and not shit like "A novel function found in M. windowsii that iterates a fibonacci series, Ku et al. (1978)" | 19:34 |
| jrayhawk | would vesicles really be stable during mastication, though? | 19:34 |
| brownies | kanzure: and yeah, you are | 19:34 |
| brownies | ;) | 19:34 |
| yashgaroth | sure, they're small enough to fit in between teeth | 19:34 |
| @kanzure | brownies: well, i'm certainly not claiming that biology is "unknowable" or "impossible" or "very hard" - or i don't want to claim this, heh | 19:34 |
| @kanzure | yashgaroth: so do you think there is a difference between programming a computer, versus "programming" a cell? | 19:35 |
| yashgaroth | oh fuck yes | 19:35 |
| @kanzure | apparently i am having trouble verbalizing this to brownies | 19:35 |
| yashgaroth | it is hard to directly compare the two, of course | 19:35 |
| @kanzure | well, programmers coming into biology looove to directly compare the two | 19:36 |
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| yashgaroth | why can't they all just get together and make one plasmid design software program, instead of literally two dozen | 19:36 |
| @kanzure | and it's hard to explain why that comparison is wrong or inappropriate | 19:37 |
| jrayhawk | perhaps the solution is to force them to learn about every sort of RNA and attempt to make analogies for them | 19:37 |
| @kanzure | i mean ultimately it's true that you can hack bacteria and genomes and make them do things, which is similar to programming | 19:37 |
| @kanzure | but biology owes nothing to you to happen to turn out to be like programming computers | 19:37 |
| yashgaroth | there's no real programming in synbio yet, it's all just cutting and pasting parts of other programs into each other | 19:37 |
| @kanzure | they aren't really programs either though.. it's not like there's a "kernel" that allocates memory and resources | 19:38 |
| brownies | comparing one science to another science? yes, how ridiculous | 19:38 |
| brownies | kanzure just wants to convince me that he is some sort of mystic prophet of biology | 19:38 |
| @kanzure | hardly.. no thanks | 19:38 |
| yashgaroth | nah that's me | 19:38 |
| yashgaroth | come my child, learn of ribosomes | 19:39 |
| @kanzure | yashgaroth is the bryan bishop of synthetic biology | 19:39 |
| brownies | "I have studied the great mysteries of PCR ... they cannot be analogized" | 19:39 |
| jrayhawk | all hail yashgaroth, king of microbes | 19:39 |
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| @kanzure | brownies: well, i can make lots of shitty xeroxing analogies about PCR | 19:39 |
| @kanzure | but those analogies will not confer any practical benefits to you | 19:39 |
| brownies | and, brace yourselves, because i already know about ribosomes *and* PCR -_- | 19:39 |
| brownies | i read about it! IN A BOOK! | 19:40 |
| @kanzure | except maybe when you're on step 8 in some project one day and you wonder "oh do i need to add dna to this mix?" | 19:40 |
| jrayhawk | anyway, generally when i see people claiming genetics are "just like programming a computer" they also think genetic determinism is a real thing | 19:40 |
| @kanzure | what do you mean by genetic determinism? like "epigenetics is a scam" ? | 19:40 |
| yashgaroth | well that puts you ahead of 99% of programmers wanting to get into biology, brownies | 19:40 |
| jrayhawk | more like "what's epigenetics?" | 19:40 |
| jrayhawk | "what do you mean *if* it's expressed?" | 19:40 |
| @kanzure | "what do you mean expressed" etc... | 19:41 |
| jrayhawk | so making them look up the crazy variety of expression mechanisms is somewhat helpful | 19:41 |
| yashgaroth | it's not like they need to know the difference between every type of rna polymerase, even I don't know that shit off-hand | 19:43 |
| jrayhawk | But you're aware that RNA is incredibly complex and only some of it is driven by DNA | 19:43 |
| @kanzure | some of those immune system polymerases are pretty fucked up :| | 19:43 |
| brownies | i think only a fool would try to pretend things are 1:1 between such different spheres... but, at the same time, drawing parallels to existing knowledge is one major way to actually internalize new knowledge, so it's pretty unavoidable, especially since the fields do overlap some | 19:44 |
| yashgaroth | oh it's just as complex as dna...moreso considering it folds | 19:44 |
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| yashgaroth | you don't want to rely too heavily on analogies, though I agree they are useful | 19:45 |
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| @kanzure | i think it would be more practical to show them some protocols | 19:46 |
| @kanzure | and then tell them "ok make something out of this" | 19:46 |
| @kanzure | maybe some protocol flashcards.. "pcr produces dna" "oh which protocols use dna" | 19:47 |
| @kanzure | but this doesn't help with the genetics stuff. cAMP signalling is like tcp?? not really. | 19:48 |
| brownies | i think we're all in agreement that you don't need to analogize all the things | 19:48 |
| yashgaroth | where are the programmers getting into synbio hoping to end up? working in a lab, building their own lab and thinking up their own projects? | 19:49 |
| @kanzure | i'm still trying to figure out what to do with these people | 19:49 |
| brownies | especially with all the mechanics of reactions, sometimes you just have to go learn it | 19:49 |
| @kanzure | yashgaroth: i think most of them would be okay with doing a hobbyist project | 19:49 |
| @kanzure | yashgaroth: or at least that's what it seems like. i don't see people saying "i want to do a project at home so i can get a fancypants biojob" | 19:49 |
| yashgaroth | as in GFP stuff, or reading current papers and finding something to explore | 19:49 |
| brownies | where are all these people anyway? | 19:49 |
| @kanzure | brownies: diybio. heh. | 19:50 |
| @kanzure | http://groups.google.com/group/diybio | 19:50 |
| @kanzure | here's one from today.. https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=# | 19:50 |
| @kanzure | er.. https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/diybio/CUKEhuS-jus | 19:50 |
| brownies | ahhh. i'm not on the mailing list. i guess i'm missing all the fun. | 19:51 |
| @kanzure | oh wait. wrong thread. | 19:52 |
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| Burninate | 'evening guys | 20:01 |
| Burninate | I just found this, and thought you might be interested: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Rp4V3Sj5jE | 20:01 |
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| @kanzure | fucking crickets arrrrghh http://youtube.com/watch?v=SMTz9nIUkGc | 20:14 |
| nmz787 | kanzure | 20:17 |
| @kanzure | hm? | 20:17 |
| nmz787 | do you know any EE for hire? | 20:17 |
| nmz787 | actually, I do | 20:17 |
| @kanzure | john griessen. | 20:17 |
| @kanzure | oh but you hate him. | 20:17 |
| nmz787 | hah | 20:18 |
| @kanzure | then, ThomasEgi. | 20:18 |
| nmz787 | no i don't | 20:18 |
| nmz787 | well I think we may need to hire someone to build a stepper motor controller | 20:18 |
| nmz787 | for the laser | 20:18 |
| nmz787 | from some things I've been reading about low speed movement | 20:19 |
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| tashoutang | Burninate: this is really good film!!!!!!! | 20:23 |
| nmz787 | high holding torque motors are worse for microstepping because their movement deviates from the sine and cosine model | 20:24 |
| teklord | kanzure: I came back here because I had just remembered something that was vaguely relevant to our initial coversation earlier tonight. You told me to put up a picture of Bucky Fuller and "call it done". I was just reminded of a recent communicatin I had with Warren Ellis. I'll grab a link to his quote in a moment. I need to find it again. | 20:24 |
| @kanzure | warren ellis is doktor sleepless, right? | 20:24 |
| strangewarp | Warren Ellis got brainjacked by the "Strong AI is impossible" camp, somehow, didn't he? | 20:25 |
| teklord | http://warrenellis.tumblr.com/post/29087380331/ | 20:26 |
| teklord | Strong AI should not be confused with "I live in a fantasy land with magic robots who do magic" people. | 20:26 |
| foucist | strong ai gives the best blowjobs ever! | 20:27 |
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| strangewarp | teklord: that seems to be what Ellis is doing, yeah | 20:27 |
| teklord | He's right, too. Problem? | 20:27 |
| * strangewarp rereads... | 20:27 | |
| strangewarp | ...No, I don't think he's right | 20:28 |
| @kanzure | human brains are clearly real, so anyone who tells you otherwise is lying to you | 20:28 |
| teklord | I know solipsists who would disagree. | 20:29 |
| strangewarp | ugh | 20:29 |
| teklord | Or do I...?\ | 20:29 |
| @kanzure | truly you have a dizzying intellect | 20:29 |
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| teklord | You know so little, but I hope you play arm chai psychologist with me and tell me about me. | 20:30 |
| teklord | s/chai/chair | 20:30 |
| foucist | arm chai tea | 20:30 |
| @kanzure | nope sorry. | 20:30 |
| * kanzure fetches foods | 20:30 | |
| * Burninate demands a convincingly funny interpretation of 'Arm Chai' | 20:31 | |
| * teklord is drunk, will probably regret this interaction while working tomorrow | 20:31 | |
| strangewarp | It's trendy to want to ride the zeitgeist by denying the legitimacy of visions of transcendence and/or pleasure, I suppose | 20:31 |
| strangewarp | I'd like to give that tendency thebenefit of the doubt, but all too often it turns out to be banal contrarianism | 20:31 |
| teklord | I do not deny visions that seem within reach. I look at the visions of the peopel who came before us, and see nothing but radical dogma and errors in logic. I'm sorry you cannot realize this. | 20:32 |
| teklord | Kurzweilian dogmatism is a joke, at best. Makes for good science fiction, and the pseudo-new age religionists would love it, I assume. I just wish there was legicle, rational, logical, peer review science to back up such radical claims. | 20:33 |
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| teklord | I'm all ears to facts. | 20:33 |
| foucist | teklord: ah, i was wondering why you would even bring up hypothetical people that would disagree.. but you're drunk so that explains it! ;) | 20:33 |
| strangewarp | ...You think the fact that history appears cyclical in some ways proves that it will continue to be cyclical in other specific ways? | 20:33 |
| teklord | foucist: I admit, Im shitfaced and probably talking out my arse. I apologize in advance. | 20:34 |
| teklord | strangewarp: No, I just do not fill the gaps of my knoweldge with gods or dogmas, like the Kurzweilians. | 20:34 |
| teklord | Any day now ray will be saved by magic compters, you just wait and see..... | 20:35 |
| teklord | pfffffft\ | 20:35 |
| teklord | even brilliant men like Aubry deGrey are fallacious in their logic and peer reviews of so-called evidences they have located in reality | 20:35 |
| strangewarp | There's a difference between "compuers, which exist, and which are becoming more complex, may become complex enough to superseded human ability" and "gods and dogmas", sorry | 20:35 |
| teklord | Aubry's beard is inspirational | 20:36 |
| strangewarp | I think Kurzweil's camp is full of irrational optimism, but they may be right for the wrong reasons | 20:36 |
| teklord | I would LOVE for Ray to be right. Last time we spoke, he was too doped on pills to make sense to me | 20:36 |
| teklord | Seemed like religion gone arawy. | 20:36 |
| * strangewarp shrug | 20:37 | |
| teklord | s/arawy/awry | 20:37 |
| foucist | hmm | 20:38 |
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| strangewarp | If something that may happen in real-life incidentally has similar aspects to religious apocalypse stories, is it reasonable to criticize it on that basis? I much prefer criticizing singularity stuff for having a bunch of question-marks inbetween its start condition and end condition, really.. | 20:38 |
| foucist | teklord: i insist on proof/citations of the fallacy in their logic | 20:38 |
| teklord | I really, really enjoy the notions put forth in his lectures, and I especially look forward to the predictions he's made come true; he's gfot a great, aamazing track record of prediction\ | 20:38 |
| foucist | teklord: just claiming they're fallacious in their logic doesn't make it so | 20:39 |
| teklord | foucist: be more specific, and I shall follow suit | 20:39 |
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| teklord | I am writing from a small netbook, sorry for the spelling errors and grammar propblems et al., Ive been drinking and this is tiny.; | 20:40 |
| foucist | there are limits to what peer review science can get you, and also peer review science can often fall short of being rational/logical | 20:40 |
| strangewarp | I'm on a tiny netbook too.. they're pretty awful | 20:40 |
| gnusha | laser_etcher.git: 261c66c | 20:41 |
| teklord | foucist: there are absolutly no limits to peer review science. That is to day, if you make a claim about science, then for sure, 100% of the time, we shoudl be able to test and peer review your findings and methodolgy. Period | 20:41 |
| teklord | Is gnusha a bot? | 20:42 |
| strangewarp | yep | 20:42 |
| teklord | Give me details, what's it do,a nd is it interactive for people with my chans privs?\ | 20:42 |
| strangewarp | I've only seen it keep track of certain github repos | 20:42 |
| teklord | That much is obvioous, but which, and why?\ | 20:42 |
| strangewarp | I think it belongs to kanzure? I'm not sure exactly what it keeps track of, or why | 20:43 |
| foucist | teklord: how many people doing peer review science even actually understand how to do science properly? even understand proper use of statistics and to avoid cognitive biases and so on? | 20:44 |
| teklord | foucist: that statement stinks of intellectual stupidity. Sorry, but it does. | 20:46 |
| teklord | If you cant see why, then you're perhaps a source of the stink. | 20:46 |
| teklord | What is yoru field of work? do you work in any of the sciences? | 20:46 |
| foucist | teklord: if you don't ask yourself that question at all that seems even worse | 20:47 |
| teklord | You've *obviously* never been around many labs. That's okay, everyone needs to start somwhere. You're just starting at the beginning. | 20:48 |
| teklord | baby steps turn into ginat leaps for mankind,. | 20:48 |
| teklord | Keep seeking knowledge. | 20:49 |
| strangewarp | It would be convenient if it were possible to purge all of the impurity and compromise that people engage in, in order to cover up bad methodology, or churn out required papers, or compensate for shitty funding, or even for no reason at all other than a lack of knowledge of statistics and biases | 20:51 |
| strangewarp | But, it isn't | 20:51 |
| strangewarp | So, the scientific community is imperfect | 20:51 |
| strangewarp | The scientific method tends to keep things in check eventually, of course | 20:51 |
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| foucist | i suspect that if universities were better at teaching 'the science of science' things would be greatly improved | 20:52 |
| teklord | Define "impurity", then define bad methodology in the contect you meant (ie; cite examples), and prove the biases you claim exist, and then define them to me. | 20:52 |
| nsh | teklord, when's this due? | 20:52 |
| nsh | :P | 20:52 |
| strangewarp | burden of proof is on you, for claiming that the scientific method is always perfect, despite imperfect actors and environments | 20:52 |
| teklord | nsh: if you know what you are talkinmg about then it should take a mere moment. | 20:52 |
| teklord | if you cannot describe science in laymens terms, then you do not undersatand that science | 20:53 |
| teklord | Period | 20:53 |
| foucist | teklord: define a hard cock up your ass.. it should take a mere moment | 20:53 |
| nsh | teklord, i was quipping that your response there sounded like a homework project rather than a point of arguments :) | 20:53 |
| nsh | timing and delivery are difficult on irc.. | 20:53 |
| nsh | i'll go back to my corner | 20:53 |
| teklord | That's what she said | 20:54 |
| teklord | I wonder if Donisaurs had laser beam shooting helmets. I bet they didm, because I thought of it. prove that didnt have exponential growth in techology that gave Jesus's dinosaur a laser beam helmet | 20:55 |
| teklord | Therefore: Singularity | 20:55 |
| teklord | See what I did there? ^ | 20:55 |
| teklord | I wish Bill Nye was cooler with the younglings. | 20:56 |
| teklord | Hey, what do you kids think of that new web series H+? | 20:57 |
| teklord | There have been six episdoes aired on YouTube. | 20:57 |
| teklord | If yo uhave not seen the episodes, go watch them and then come back and rant, or link me to your blog where you ranted., | 20:58 |
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| foucist | teklord: you seem to be convinced you're awesome at logic/rationality and that you're awesome at spotting when people are being illogical or something.. well it's easy to point at anyone and say they're being illogical. .cuz they're humans, it's obvious.. but you still have to back up your claims somewhat by citing examples and so on | 20:59 |
| teklord | foucist: I do not make those fallcious claims you attribute to me, I just call bullshit when I see it. *It is up to the people who are making positive claims, that is to say; the people I call bullshit upon, to cite their sources or look like blithering foolsw in my eyes. If you cannot provide evidences for your citations, why should I belioeve you? You remind me of the Jesus army. | 21:00 |
| foucist | i call bullshit when i see it, but i don't make the mistake of pretending to be superlogical and that they're violating logic and so on | 21:01 |
| * brownies raises eyebrow | 21:01 | |
| foucist | sup brownies | 21:01 |
| teklord | Again, you're attributing claims to me that I have never made. | 21:01 |
| brownies | yo foucist | 21:01 |
| foucist | brownies: hows the edumacating going | 21:02 |
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| brownies | it's going. | 21:02 |
| teklord | L. Ron Hubbard -- discuss. | 21:07 |
| nmz787 | stole his name from Elroy Jetson | 21:08 |
| teklord | Jane was a hottie. | 21:08 |
| teklord | Did you just insinuate that Elroy Jetson's name is infkluenced by L. Ron? | 21:09 |
| teklord | \:( | 21:09 |
| nmz787 | no the other way around | 21:10 |
| nmz787 | L. Ron changed his name because of Elroy's popularity | 21:10 |
| nmz787 | :P | 21:10 |
| * teklord high fives over 9000 times broski | 21:10 | |
| nmz787 | but I guess it could be either way | 21:10 |
| teklord | Scientology is science fiction turned into fictional science. | 21:11 |
| teklord | Be wary of snake oils salesmen. | 21:11 |
| teklord | s/oils/oil | 21:11 |
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| teklord | c | 21:21 |
| @kanzure | teklord: gnusha keeps track of the repositories here: http://diyhpl.us/cgit | 21:25 |
| @kanzure | so laser_etcher.git is http://diyhpl.us/laser_etcher/laser_etcher | 21:25 |
| @kanzure | teklord: i don't know what part of "official ray kurzweil hater club" you don't understand | 21:25 |
| teklord | That's a sexy little repo you folks have. Well done. | 21:29 |
| @kanzure | teklord: we also do http://github.com/kanzure/nanoengineer#readme | 21:29 |
| teklord | Impressive, to say that least. Are you the main dev for nenoengineer? | 21:31 |
| @kanzure | presently yes | 21:32 |
| @kanzure | ray doesn't got shit on this | 21:32 |
| teklord | Best of luck with optimizing that. Looks fantastic. | 21:32 |
| @kanzure | all he has is some crummy OCR and a chatbot | 21:32 |
| teklord | Those animations make me feel all warm a fnuzzy on the inside. | 21:34 |
| teklord | fuzzy* | 21:34 |
| jrayhawk | 17:35 < jrayhawk> teklord: http://www.google.com/search?q=apple+future+shock&tbm=vid | 21:35 |
| jrayhawk | 17:38 < jrayhawk> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EC5sbdvnvQM which manages to be adorably anachronistic and remarkably precient | 21:35 |
| jrayhawk | 17:39 < jrayhawk> http://www.google.com/search?q=a+day+made+of+glass&tbm=vid is some modern futurism | 21:35 |
| teklord | Put in my todo, I've been drinking. I'll hit these links first thing tomorrow when I have a break. | 21:35 |
| teklord | Thanks, jrayhawk | 21:36 |
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| nmz787 | I wish there was a startupThailand program ala startupChile | 21:40 |
| nmz787 | a friend told me chile is kindof dumpy, esp Santiago | 21:40 |
| teklord | Chili seems nice compared to some other south american nations, but Urugyay is the south american paradise. | 21:40 |
| @kanzure | nmz787: there is.. foucist was doing the thailand version | 21:41 |
| @kanzure | foucist: ^ | 21:41 |
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| brownies | he was? | 21:42 |
| brownies | i thought he just went to thailand and started writing code | 21:42 |
| brownies | if you want to call that StartupThailand... i guess that's ok. | 21:42 |
| @kanzure | no he participated in some stupid accelerator competition thing | 21:42 |
| nmz787 | I want an investor or some capital $ | 21:43 |
| brownies | oh did he? | 21:43 |
| @kanzure | an investor for what? | 21:43 |
| nmz787 | or some lab space or something | 21:43 |
| brownies | he just wants free stuff | 21:43 |
| nmz787 | the DNA synthesizer | 21:43 |
| teklord | Lab space == bedroom/livingroom/basement + free *ware | 21:43 |
| nmz787 | lol | 21:44 |
| brownies | heh | 21:44 |
| teklord | You laugh now, but when I make a hover board in my kitchen you wont be laughing. Oh no, you wont be laughing. | 21:45 |
| brownies | a genetically engineered hoverboard? | 21:46 |
| teklord | I *wish* I was a cartoon character from 1989, but alas, I'm just a man. | 21:47 |
| teklord | NASA just released a great video on the radiation storm belt, via youtube, from the Kennedy space center folks. Worth your time if you are into NASA's work... (who isn't?) | 21:50 |
| teklord | NASAtelevision channel. | 21:50 |
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| teklord | op | 21:59 |
| teklord | oops, sorry | 21:59 |
| teklord | typed "htop" and my shirt hit my touchpad | 21:59 |
| teklord | moved my mouse | 21:59 |
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| @kanzure | roksprok: hi | 22:01 |
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| @kanzure | nmz787: http://www.foundersfund.com/termsheet/ | 22:15 |
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| delinquentme | whats the process that a metal undergoes when it becomes magnetized | 22:22 |
| delinquentme | or something like | 22:22 |
| delinquentme | only particular metals can be magnetized ... only metals of this class | 22:23 |
| yashgaroth | magnetization | 22:23 |
| yashgaroth | ferromagnetic | 22:23 |
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| delinquentme | yeahhh | 22:27 |
| delinquentme | ferromagnetic | 22:27 |
| delinquentme | http://imjournal.com/pdfarticles/IMCJ10_3_p16_24chevalier.pdf | 22:27 |
| delinquentme | ^ solid research | 22:27 |
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| nmz787 | kanzure: that term sheet calculator says exit value of 10 million without me doing a thing to it | 22:42 |
| teklord | Perfect code is perfect. | 22:43 |
| @kanzure | you're off to a great start then | 22:44 |
| nmz787 | :/ | 22:46 |
| teklord | pebkac? | 22:47 |
| @kanzure | plover for mac http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13336609/Plover.dmg | 22:51 |
| teklord | I like freedom. | 22:51 |
| @kanzure | teklord: http://stenoknight.com/plover/ploverdemo/ploverdemo.html | 22:53 |
| @kanzure | teklord: cause typing is too damn slow http://www.seanwrona.com/typeracer/profile.php?username=kanzure | 22:53 |
| nmz787 | what is plover? | 22:58 |
| @kanzure | nmz787: just some software claiming to make you go vrooom http://plover.stenoknight.com/ | 23:00 |
| nmz787 | stenography is hiding messages in other forms, right? | 23:01 |
| @kanzure | that's steganography | 23:01 |
| brownies | nmz787: you have to fill it out -_- | 23:02 |
| foucist | kanzure: are you using it yet? | 23:02 |
| foucist | did you modify your keyboard? | 23:03 |
| @kanzure | no i'm pretty terrible at it | 23:03 |
| @kanzure | i am hoping there's some way i can 'intuit' which letters to press to get what i want, but i haven't figured it out yet | 23:03 |
| foucist | probably not for something designed back in 1907 | 23:04 |
| foucist | would be nice to see a new version of the steno keyboard, with a better design etc.. though, the current one seems pretty efficient anyways | 23:05 |
| @kanzure | huh? i think plover was written more recently than 1908 | 23:05 |
| @kanzure | *1907 | 23:05 |
| foucist | talking about the steno keybaord | 23:05 |
| @kanzure | i think plover's keymap is unique | 23:06 |
| @kanzure | right? | 23:06 |
| teklord | Offputting. | 23:07 |
| foucist | kanzure: no, it's just the steno keyboard invented back in 1907 or whatever | 23:07 |
| @kanzure | that's lame | 23:07 |
| teklord | It's very old. | 23:07 |
| foucist | kanzure: well i emailed her about it about improving the keymap but she did pretty well explaining why it is the way it is | 23:08 |
| @kanzure | what was her explanation? | 23:08 |
| foucist | meh, what's your email? | 23:09 |
| foucist | i'll just forward it all | 23:09 |
| @kanzure | ksdfjaldfjksdfklasdka@mailinator.com | 23:09 |
| foucist | lol | 23:09 |
| foucist | no thanks | 23:09 |
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| @kanzure | then we can view on http://ksdfjaldfjksdfklasdka.mailinator.com as a group | 23:10 |
| foucist | heh | 23:10 |
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| foucist | sent | 23:10 |
| foucist | oh fuck | 23:10 |
| foucist | lame | 23:11 |
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| foucist | http://www.mailinator.com/displayemail1.jsp?email=ksdfjaldfjksdfklasdka&msgid=122015906 | 23:11 |
| @kanzure | my laptop seems to pass their "n-key rollover" test | 23:12 |
| @kanzure | but it's not a particular special keyboard | 23:12 |
| foucist | kanzure: does it work while holding both caps lock and shift at the same time while typing? | 23:13 |
| @kanzure | yes? | 23:14 |
| @kanzure | but why would i do that? that makes it sorta awkward to type | 23:14 |
| foucist | i mean for the nkro test | 23:14 |
| @kanzure | ok. but yes it works. | 23:15 |
| foucist | its not the macbook pro laptop though right? | 23:16 |
| @kanzure | no i am using a toshiba satellite a665-s6070 keyboard | 23:23 |
| @kanzure | but i could test on a mbp if you'd like? | 23:23 |
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| @kanzure | oh neat there's a socat_buildscript_for_android.sh | 23:25 |
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