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| delinquentme | OS | 00:38 |
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| delinquentme | erm | 00:38 |
| delinquentme | SO! | 00:38 |
| delinquentme | the code for the orbital shaker works :D | 00:38 |
| delinquentme | Now I get to do the fun part haha | 00:39 |
| delinquentme | DESIGN ! | 00:39 |
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| foucist | delinquentme: whatcha working on | 00:53 |
| delinquentme | http://pastie.org/4590228 | 00:53 |
| delinquentme | foucist, just finished up a part of what I hope will be running this OSH orbital shaker | 00:54 |
| foucist | what are you going to shake? | 00:54 |
| delinquentme | just building it | 00:57 |
| delinquentme | so I can sell it :D | 00:57 |
| nmz787 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xGAv8taVJw&feature=plcp | 01:09 |
| nmz787 | BIG BOY 3W laser burning | 01:09 |
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| nmz787 | kanzure: ping | 02:07 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: what is the best of these formats to use, a lens company has their datasheets in these versions eDrawing IGES STEP Zemax | 02:08 |
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| archels | IGES is a pretty universal standard | 03:11 |
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| loanshark | hihi | 03:47 |
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| loanshark | hey! | 04:05 |
| loanshark | i have been finding some cool stuff on bioengineering… how about creating a bioengineering study guide? | 04:05 |
| loanshark | if anyone would like to help that would be cool ^.^ | 04:06 |
| archels | http://diyhpl.us/wiki/ | 04:08 |
| archels | go for it! | 04:08 |
| loanshark | :D | 04:08 |
| loanshark | http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/biological-engineering/ | 04:08 |
| loanshark | that is awesome, it has all the subject titles and stuff and a few lecture notes and videos | 04:09 |
| loanshark | :3 | 04:09 |
| Utopiah | loanshark: there is no Coursera or EdX equivalent? | 04:10 |
| loanshark | o.o | 04:10 |
| loanshark | idk what those are... | 04:11 |
| * loanshark has a GED xD | 04:11 | |
| EnLilaSko | Coursera is awesome | 04:11 |
| loanshark | http://www.khanacademy.org/science/biology | 04:11 |
| loanshark | the lectures from this site are the best in my book | 04:11 |
| loanshark | very easy to understand, but then i am a very visual learner | 04:12 |
| EnLilaSko | https://www.coursera.org/category/biology | 04:12 |
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| @kanzure | nmz787: take iges and step | 08:03 |
| loanshark | :3 | 08:04 |
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| @kanzure | 30 MB http://partsregistry.org/fasta/parts/All_Parts | 08:30 |
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| @kanzure | whaat you have to be part of an igem team to be allowed to edit the partsregistry.org wiki | 08:38 |
| @kanzure | streety: hi, welcome back | 08:38 |
| streety | hi | 08:39 |
| streety | it has been a while | 08:39 |
| @kanzure | streety: what have you been up to? | 08:41 |
| streety | mainly moving and working. Only really come on irc because I updated the server with znc and wanted to make sure everything was working | 08:44 |
| @kanzure | eww terrible php http://cambridgeigem.org/genbank/index.phps | 08:45 |
| @kanzure | //BELOW ARE DEFINED THE CONVERSIONS THAT THIS SCRIPT DOES, THE FIRST IS ANNOTATED | 08:45 |
| @kanzure | "Warning: DOMDocument::load() [domdocument.load]: PCDATA invalid Char value 8 in http://partsregistry.org/cgi/xml/part.cgi?part=%08%08%08%08%08%08%08%08%08%08http://google.com/, line: 6 in /f5/cambridgeigem/public/genbank/index.php on line 11" | 08:47 |
| streety | what is it supposed to do? | 08:48 |
| streety | nevermind, found the form | 08:49 |
| loanshark | i have the best intro video for DNA | 09:08 |
| loanshark | http://www.khanacademy.org/science/biology/v/dna | 09:08 |
| @kanzure | http://partsregistry.org/wiki/index.php?title=Special:Userlogin&action=submitlogin&type=signup&returnto=login | 09:19 |
| @kanzure | "To be allowed to create accounts in partsregistry.org you have to log in and have the appropriate permissions." | 09:19 |
| loanshark | lol | 09:20 |
| loanshark | how do you order stuff from the parts registry? | 09:20 |
| chris_99 | you can't | 09:20 |
| loanshark | awesome | 09:20 |
| chris_99 | unless you're in igem | 09:20 |
| chris_99 | afaik | 09:20 |
| loanshark | ok | 09:21 |
| chris_99 | or you synthesize it yourself somewhere | 09:21 |
| loanshark | :3 | 09:21 |
| @kanzure | you beg juul to steal some for you (he works with endy) | 09:21 |
| loanshark | from what i understand about PCR's is that they are used to multiply DNA, not synthesize it. | 09:22 |
| loanshark | you use a "DNA Printer" to synthesize :/ | 09:22 |
| loanshark | but i still know very little ^.^ | 09:22 |
| @kanzure | pcr still involves dna synthesis | 09:22 |
| @kanzure | and sometimes even de novo dna synthesis when it breaks | 09:22 |
| loanshark | de Novo? (googles) | 09:23 |
| @kanzure | there really isn't a thing called "DNA printer". just call it a synthesizer. | 09:24 |
| loanshark | ok | 09:24 |
| loanshark | :3 i found one on ebay for $300 | 09:25 |
| @kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/wiki/dna-synthesis.html | 09:25 |
| @kanzure | it wont work | 09:25 |
| loanshark | i think its broken | 09:25 |
| @kanzure | they go for about $150,000ish | 09:25 |
| @kanzure | and you miiight find one working for $15,000 | 09:25 |
| loanshark | found one for 1500 that works | 09:25 |
| loanshark | $1399.99 | 09:25 |
| loanshark | http://www.ebay.com/itm/Beckman-Oligo-1000-DNA-Synthesizer-/130698731898?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e6e40617a | 09:25 |
| @kanzure | "Sold as shown with power cord. No other cords, cables, manuals, accessories, etc (if applicable) included" | 09:26 |
| loanshark | xD | 09:26 |
| loanshark | it has a guarantee so if it does not work just send it back :3 | 09:27 |
| chris_99 | how much do the chemicals cost though | 09:27 |
| chris_99 | and are they easy to get | 09:27 |
| @kanzure | depends on the system.. some synthesizers have proprietary input cartridges i think | 09:27 |
| loanshark | what chemicals do you need> | 09:27 |
| @kanzure | i just linked you to a document explaining that | 09:28 |
| @kanzure | additionally, i :just: mentioned that it's sometimes proprietary | 09:29 |
| loanshark | sorry, missed that wikipedia link | 09:29 |
| @kanzure | wikipedia? | 09:29 |
| loanshark | diyhpl.us/wiki/dna-synthesis ? | 09:30 |
| chris_99 | wiki ;) | 09:30 |
| @kanzure | that's not wikipedia, that's my site | 09:30 |
| @kanzure | chris_99: http://www.glenresearch.com/catalog/beckman.html | 09:30 |
| loanshark | i mean wiki as in it is a wiki? | 09:31 |
| chris_99 | interesting thanks | 09:31 |
| @kanzure | chris_99: looks like it's not a proprietary connector thing.. neat | 09:31 |
| @kanzure | "However, Applied Biosystems columns, see Pages 7-8, can be used on Oligo 1000 instruments with the use of an adapter available from Beckman, Part Number 607824." | 09:32 |
| chris_99 | ah | 09:32 |
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| chris_99 | when i win the lottery i'll buy one of those to play with | 09:32 |
| loanshark | i feel like a retard in this channel xD | 09:32 |
| loanshark | in any case i found another synthesizer for $650 | 09:34 |
| loanshark | :3 | 09:34 |
| chris_99 | ooh just found a robot arm on fleabay with 0.020mm x,y repeatability | 09:34 |
| chris_99 | alas no control panel | 09:34 |
| @kanzure | control panels are for linux haters | 09:34 |
| @kanzure | just hook it up to emc? | 09:34 |
| loanshark | can i see a link to that robot arm? | 09:35 |
| chris_99 | check out fleabay loanshark there should be a few | 09:35 |
| chris_99 | emc kanzure? | 09:36 |
| loanshark | kk | 09:36 |
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| @kanzure | chris_99: #linuxcnc | 09:36 |
| chris_99 | ta, another channel for the list | 09:37 |
| @kanzure | http://www.cryptoparty.org/wiki/CryptoParty | 09:46 |
| @kanzure | "CryptoParties are meetups to share and learn basic cryptographic tools such as PGP/GPG, Tor, OTR, TrueCrypt, etc." | 09:46 |
| @kanzure | so what happened to just having signing parties | 09:48 |
| delinquentme | wut http://vimeo.com/8780113 | 09:51 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, | 09:52 |
| delinquentme | you really have no issues with googles branded chrome | 09:52 |
| delinquentme | on ubunter? | 09:52 |
| @kanzure | i don't use ubuntu regularly so i'm not sure why you think i have an opinion on that | 09:52 |
| @kanzure | did canonical fail to brand their own version of chromium? | 09:53 |
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| delinquentme | ohhhh | 09:53 |
| delinquentme | what distro? | 09:53 |
| @kanzure | you just said ubuntu | 09:53 |
| delinquentme | lol no haha | 09:54 |
| delinquentme | for youuu homeslice | 09:54 |
| delinquentme | I thought you were ubuntu | 09:54 |
| @kanzure | i don't use ubuntu regularly | 09:54 |
| @kanzure | i like to use debian | 09:54 |
| delinquentme | ic ic | 09:55 |
| delinquentme | SuprEgo nano-computer contact lens is the latest breakthrough in A.I. and nano-technology to date: a state of the art nano-camera, an incredibly fast computer chip, and an Organic Light Emitting Diode display are all encapsulated within the ultra-small SuprEgo contact lens. SuprEgo contrinuously records and monitors your life, and, in conjuction to the SuprEgo network, projects through to you the Enhanced HyprReal visual. | 09:55 |
| delinquentme | I think this is more of a cool art project than anything else but idk | 09:55 |
| delinquentme | *watches* | 09:55 |
| delinquentme | nm | 09:56 |
| delinquentme | dont watch. | 09:56 |
| @kanzure | sounds like bullshit | 09:56 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, you want critique my c++ code? | 09:58 |
| @kanzure | jrayhawk: looks like rssh has a flaw? http://seclists.org/bugtraq/2012/Aug/95 | 09:58 |
| delinquentme | ( arduino ) | 09:58 |
| jrayhawk | iiiinteresting | 09:59 |
| @kanzure | delinquentme: i could look later | 09:59 |
| jrayhawk | oh, rssh | 09:59 |
| jrayhawk | yeah, that always has flaws | 09:59 |
| delinquentme | http://pastie.org/4590185 | 09:59 |
| delinquentme | kk | 09:59 |
| jrayhawk | as does scponly | 09:59 |
| delinquentme | its pretty short | 09:59 |
| @kanzure | jrayhawk: what are we using? | 09:59 |
| jrayhawk | rbash | 09:59 |
| @kanzure | oops | 09:59 |
| @kanzure | right then | 09:59 |
| jrayhawk | rssh and scponly are projects from people who don't know that rbash exists | 10:00 |
| jrayhawk | thus there are no competent people working on them | 10:00 |
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| delinquentme | AWESOMEEEE http://www.spektrumrc.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=SPMAS2000LBB | 10:33 |
| loanshark | o.o | 10:34 |
| @kanzure | what is it? don't make me click | 10:34 |
| loanshark | its a servooo | 10:34 |
| loanshark | cheap and plastic gears | 10:34 |
| loanshark | be back later | 10:35 |
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| bkero | kanzure: im in texas! | 12:15 |
| @kanzure | bkero: howdy | 12:16 |
| @kanzure | if you are near houston you should stop by tx/rx or http://arcollab.org/ | 12:17 |
| @kanzure | and if you're near austin you should hang out with me and be friendly | 12:19 |
| bkero | kanzure: san antonio | 12:22 |
| @kanzure | bkero: if you need someone, bug namerehwon (michael) 210-650-2634 https://www.facebook.com/michael.long.737 | 12:23 |
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| @kanzure | also you could probably hire him to do things if you're persuasive (he's a programmer-type) | 12:24 |
| @kanzure | (but for some reason doing tech support?) | 12:24 |
| bkero | lol ok | 12:24 |
| bkero | am interviewing with rackspsce tomorrow afternoon | 12:24 |
| @kanzure | ah, yeah, i told him to do rackspace when he asked about jobs recently.. unless he wants to move | 12:25 |
| @kanzure | rackspace has this weird retreat they force you to go to in san antonio | 12:25 |
| bkero | oh? tell me more | 12:25 |
| @kanzure | well, i only heard this from someone who's company got acquired by rackspace | 12:26 |
| @kanzure | so there were all these CXO people going through this little 'bootcamp' thing about customer service and stuff | 12:26 |
| bkero | retreat as in event, or a compound? | 12:26 |
| @kanzure | maybe both?? | 12:27 |
| bkero | okay | 12:27 |
| @kanzure | my other rackspace person is https://www.facebook.com/kevinlord who seems to be in austin and at a different company now.. hrrm | 12:28 |
| bkero | hrm | 12:29 |
| bkero | kanzure: how far apart are sa and austin? | 12:31 |
| @kanzure | 90 minutes | 12:32 |
| bkero | not bad | 12:33 |
| @kanzure | how long are you here? | 12:33 |
| bkero | tonight and tomorrow until 5pm | 12:34 |
| @kanzure | i have some things i'm finishing that need to have priority over you, but if i get them done let's hang out? | 12:35 |
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| @kanzure | hi yashgaroth | 12:42 |
| yashgaroth | hey | 12:42 |
| @kanzure | nmz787: so i'm not convinced that an inkjet dna synthesizer is a fantastic idea. convince me. | 12:43 |
| @kanzure | does sung want to repurpose inkjet cartridges from color printers? | 12:44 |
| @kanzure | or would he be interested in the laser_etcher.git progress? | 12:44 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: no, me neither | 12:44 |
| nmz787 | i just want to get together | 12:45 |
| @kanzure | hah ok | 12:45 |
| nmz787 | i think its a great resource (that posam paper) | 12:45 |
| bkero | kanzure: sure | 12:45 |
| bkero | kanzure: ill buy you dinner | 12:45 |
| @kanzure | is mozilla not treating you well enough? | 12:46 |
| @kanzure | i'm pretty sure rackspace is a labor camp in comparison to mozilla.. | 12:46 |
| nmz787 | but i think maybe putting a piezo print head (if you can get them clean and commodity priced) up against microfluidics might be OK | 12:46 |
| @kanzure | does acetonitrile even keep in those cartridges? does it eat through? | 12:46 |
| nmz787 | no idea | 12:47 |
| nmz787 | i hope we can tweek a bit, soon, for water based chemistry | 12:47 |
| @kanzure | if sung wants to make a synthesizer, the best bet is to do something that's already been accomplished | 12:48 |
| nmz787 | because i know even PDMS doesn't like to play with some chems | 12:48 |
| @kanzure | the posam arrayer is pretty huge iirc | 12:48 |
| nmz787 | well i guess POSAM has been | 12:48 |
| nmz787 | looked like the size of a laser cutter | 12:48 |
| nmz787 | big epilog | 12:48 |
| @kanzure | oh. | 12:48 |
| nmz787 | with a computer stand like the tv stands in high school | 12:48 |
| nmz787 | the carys | 12:48 |
| nmz787 | carts | 12:48 |
| @kanzure | page 9.. not bad http://bioinformatics.org/pogo/POSAM_Man_Ch1_Assembly_v1-2_040601.pdf | 12:49 |
| nmz787 | but it is not ideal for gene synthesis | 12:49 |
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| nmz787 | chandni and I are both tethering on a somewhat weak 3G signal | 12:50 |
| nmz787 | :P | 12:50 |
| @kanzure | there's also a part/price list at the bottom | 12:50 |
| nmz787 | its pretty sweet that my cell phone is also my router and AP and WAN | 12:50 |
| @kanzure | they spent $1k on a pentium 3 with 256 MB RAM? | 12:50 |
| nmz787 | and music and video player and PDF reader and GPS and map | 12:50 |
| nmz787 | yeah what is this 1999? | 12:50 |
| @kanzure | $1089 optical breadboard | 12:51 |
| @kanzure | $1023 "breadboard stand" | 12:51 |
| @kanzure | daedal 506 24" motion table $4533 | 12:51 |
| nmz787 | well those things are nice if you dont want to mess with a mech E | 12:51 |
| nmz787 | but it came from a big lab, no? | 12:52 |
| nmz787 | they should have tons of MECH E and EE at ANY big school | 12:52 |
| @kanzure | a $2196 nema servo? dafuq? | 12:52 |
| nmz787 | hmm | 12:52 |
| @kanzure | "servo drive, digital" $2535 | 12:52 |
| nmz787 | what brand model? | 12:52 |
| @kanzure | oh oops, i am looking at 'total cost', not unit cost | 12:53 |
| @kanzure | compumotor GV servo $845/ea | 12:53 |
| @kanzure | err, that was the driver. | 12:54 |
| @kanzure | sm23 nema servo $732/ea | 12:54 |
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| @kanzure | so they spent $23,000 on optical board and servos and motion control stuff. that sounds a bit crazy to me. | 12:54 |
| nmz787 | http://cmgm.stanford.edu/pbrown/mguide/ | 12:54 |
| nmz787 | epson printer | 12:55 |
| nmz787 | http://cmgm.stanford.edu/pbrown/mguide/partslist.html | 12:55 |
| @kanzure | that page lists "3-Axis Pick and Place Linear Slides and Motors" $9,910 | 12:56 |
| nmz787 | $1500 on a dell minitowe | 12:56 |
| nmz787 | yeah | 12:56 |
| nmz787 | hmm | 12:56 |
| nmz787 | i dunno | 12:56 |
| @kanzure | seems pretty crazy to me | 12:56 |
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| @kanzure | there's no way a 3-axis rig shuold cost $9900 | 12:56 |
| @kanzure | *should | 12:56 |
| nmz787 | unless the motors are really awesome (like those Rochester NY made ones probably are) and the motion control is like a 700MHz DSP microstepping variably up to like 512 microsteps.... its not worth it | 12:57 |
| nmz787 | i don't think you should need such fine DSP control either | 12:57 |
| @kanzure | it depends on how many wells you want, no? | 12:57 |
| @kanzure | "custom machined" "slide platter with dowel pins" $1200 | 12:58 |
| nmz787 | wells? | 12:58 |
| @kanzure | for microarraying? | 12:58 |
| bkero | kanzure: they are, I want to prove that Mozilla is underpaying me by getting some competing offers. | 12:59 |
| @kanzure | ah cool | 13:00 |
| nmz787 | well i guess we'll see if a $500 gantry is sufficient | 13:02 |
| nmz787 | or whatever laser.git is | 13:02 |
| nmz787 | hopefully $10k in motion control isn't req | 13:03 |
| nmz787 | but we're also not printing spots | 13:03 |
| @kanzure | fenn: you should write us a page that reasonably outlines order-of-magnitude guestimates for different motion control rigs | 13:03 |
| nmz787 | eh? | 13:03 |
| nmz787 | what's that mean? | 13:04 |
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| @kanzure | nmz787: it just means that these academic projects could prolly be cheaper | 13:07 |
| @kanzure | and somehow they are getting ripped off or something | 13:07 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: have you seen these? http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CC8QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fmillenniata.com%2F&ei=84E6UPilCYSZ6AGKsYDoDA&usg=AFQjCNFZbqctcNynbKJyfqZ_7CDbd-jTDA&sig2=G9FMLJfkEgq6YoEIiwIerQ | 13:07 |
| nmz787 | bah millenniata.com | 13:07 |
| nmz787 | i was thinking there may be a way to separate the disc halves after burning | 13:08 |
| nmz787 | then maybe a DVD burner would suffice, with the laser being hi-jacked or something (I wonder if the write laser could be taken control of while the tracking laser (red or IR I think) keeps doing the motion control | 13:09 |
| nmz787 | cooling a DVD drive might be a problem if you're overdriving the laser diode though | 13:10 |
| nmz787 | some kind of cool gas stream blowing at the diode rapidly might work | 13:10 |
| nmz787 | but with cooling you also have to watch out for condensation | 13:10 |
| @kanzure | nmz787: you should get sung in here sometime | 13:12 |
| nmz787 | http://search.newport.com/?x2=sku&q2=M-SG-44-2 | 13:12 |
| nmz787 | $2000 | 13:12 |
| nmz787 | flat to <+-101.6 microns over 2 sq feet | 13:13 |
| nmz787 | seems pretty nice, if you've got the dough | 13:13 |
| @kanzure | what does "flat" mean | 13:13 |
| nmz787 | honeycomb core, some damping | 13:14 |
| nmz787 | oh wow they even have "Maximum Dynamic Deflection Coefficient" | 13:14 |
| nmz787 | and"Deflection Under Load" | 13:15 |
| nmz787 | so it seems like for the materials, time to build, and time to test... $2000 seems almost fair | 13:15 |
| @kanzure | for a breadboard? | 13:15 |
| nmz787 | for anything with that much care put into it during construction | 13:16 |
| nmz787 | think if that was a guitar or something | 13:16 |
| @kanzure | oh ok. you're not specifically saying you need this breadboard for something. | 13:16 |
| nmz787 | I only say that because the neck of the guitar is stressed and is expected to perform (not bend) to a certain degree | 13:16 |
| nmz787 | well yeah, I think the smaller aluminum that is on the laser.git BOM is good enough | 13:17 |
| nmz787 | it may have some of these same tests | 13:17 |
| nmz787 | but that breadboard is 1.2 meters square | 13:17 |
| nmz787 | machined with screw holes, 2.5 to 3 inches thick with leg mounts, etc... etc | 13:18 |
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| nmz787 | hmm this doesn't actually list any flatness specs http://www.discountsteel.com/items/C250_Aluminum_Cast_Tooling_Plate.cfm?item_id=152&size_no=1 | 13:20 |
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| nmz787 | hmm, from the POSaM paper | 14:17 |
| nmz787 | "The Epson | 14:17 |
| nmz787 | F057020 six-color print head has six banks of 32 nozzles, or | 14:17 |
| nmz787 | 192 individually addressable piezoelectric pumps. We purchased | 14:17 |
| nmz787 | one complete Photo 700 printer (Epson America, | 14:17 |
| nmz787 | Long Beach, CA) to obtain a print-head holder and ribbon | 14:17 |
| nmz787 | cable, and subsequent print heads from Agson Electronics | 14:17 |
| nmz787 | (Cherry Hill, NJ)." | 14:17 |
| nmz787 | so it takes 6 pumps for 1 nozzle? | 14:17 |
| nmz787 | ahh, kanzure here's how they replaced acetonitrile | 14:20 |
| nmz787 | Acetonitrile, the preferred solvent for automated phosphoramidite synthesis, is not suitable for inkjet printing due to its high volatility; droplets may even evaporate before contact with the slide surface. In addition, phosphoramidite precipitates can accumulate on the print head and clog the nozzles. Propylene carbonate is one less-volatile alternative that has been shown to produce coupling efficiency of 94-98% for inkjet synthesis [3]. After exten | 14:21 |
| nmz787 | then also used a laser under the print head as a break-beam sensor to see if a print jet was firing or not | 14:23 |
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| nmz787 | kanzure: how do i map who is on my LAN? | 14:50 |
| nmz787 | IPs only | 14:50 |
| nmz787 | I guess ports would be good too | 14:50 |
| jrayhawk | nmap 192.168.0.* | 14:53 |
| jrayhawk | -O is fun, too | 14:53 |
| jrayhawk | avahi-browse -a might be interesting | 14:53 |
| nmz787 | what if the IPs are on a different subdomain? | 14:53 |
| nmz787 | i.e. my router used to be 10.0.0.1 but DHCP was in 192 | 14:54 |
| jrayhawk | ping -b 255.255.255.255 might do a thing | 14:58 |
| jrayhawk | but a lot of software and hardware ignores that kind of chicanery | 14:58 |
| nmz787 | i'm trying to look for the modem (my non-techy landlords), to try and do a software reset | 15:01 |
| jrayhawk | a less easy but more plausible approach be shoving an interface in to PROMISC and working out what broadcast radiuses should be searched based on what ARP packets come through. | 15:01 |
| nmz787 | i know the router IP, but it doesn't list the uplink IP | 15:01 |
| jrayhawk | uplink...? | 15:01 |
| nmz787 | generally the modem plugs into the router | 15:02 |
| nmz787 | used to be a special port for WAN | 15:02 |
| nmz787 | i guess that could be dated/incorrect in this case | 15:02 |
| jrayhawk | You should probably list whatever embedded boxes are involved and which is connected to what how. | 15:03 |
| nmz787 | i have no idea | 15:04 |
| jrayhawk | If you want to figure out the routing path, including addresses, you should use a traceroute. | 15:04 |
| nmz787 | 192.168.1.1 directs to ddWRT web gui | 15:04 |
| nmz787 | so how do I easily find out what the router IP is, instead of guessing that it was 192.168.1.1? | 15:05 |
| jrayhawk | traceroute | 15:05 |
| nmz787 | why isn;t it in ifconfig? | 15:06 |
| chris_99 | it's in route nmz787 | 15:06 |
| nmz787 | doesn't the computer need to know the router IP? | 15:06 |
| jrayhawk | ip route | 15:06 |
| nmz787 | or is the router transparent? | 15:06 |
| jrayhawk | If you want to see every address on the routing path, use traceroute. IP packets have a 'time to live' field that routers check positivity for and decrement in order to avoid routing loops causing infinite traffic. | 15:07 |
| jrayhawk | a traceroute constructs a series of packets with increasingly larger TTLs so that it can get a list of responses from routers sending back rejections. | 15:08 |
| jrayhawk | Your local system's routing tables most likely only have entries for the local network and the innermost router. | 15:09 |
| nmz787 | hm | 15:09 |
| jrayhawk | which is what 'ip route' prints. | 15:10 |
| jrayhawk | 'router' and 'gateway' are IP-specific terms. Most likely, your modem is also a router in sequence with whatever that other thing you're calling a router is. | 15:13 |
| jrayhawk | It's conceivable, however, that it is a PPPoE bridge and not actually in the routing path. | 15:15 |
| jrayhawk | in which case you'll have to look on the ddWRT settings as to what address it has. | 15:15 |
| nmz787 | i dont think the cable company would release a modem/router with ddWRT | 15:19 |
| nmz787 | maybe | 15:19 |
| nmz787 | ... | 15:19 |
| jrayhawk | Okay, seriously, 'traceroute -n 4.2.2.3' and try whatever address comes after 192.168.1.1 | 15:19 |
| nmz787 | ahh, like another computer on the network? | 15:20 |
| nmz787 | doing that wouldn't see the modem, if it has an IP | 15:20 |
| jrayhawk | no, outside the network | 15:20 |
| nmz787 | ok | 15:20 |
| nmz787 | whats 4.2.2.3? | 15:21 |
| jrayhawk | Level3 nameservers | 15:22 |
| nmz787 | well i dont have internets on that AP | 15:23 |
| nmz787 | which is why i want to find the modem :/ | 15:23 |
| jrayhawk | have you run 'traceroute -n 4.2.2.3' yet | 15:24 |
| nmz787 | yeah | 15:24 |
| jrayhawk | if not why have you not run 'traceroute -n 4.2.2.3' yet | 15:24 |
| nmz787 | doesn't hop anywhere | 15:24 |
| jrayhawk | that's rather odd | 15:24 |
| nmz787 | because the router doesn't have a WAN connection | 15:24 |
| jrayhawk | the router should still bounce the packet | 15:25 |
| nmz787 | to where though, if there is no where to go | 15:25 |
| jrayhawk | back to you. that would be the whole point. | 15:25 |
| nmz787 | hmm | 15:25 |
| nmz787 | ok brb | 15:26 |
| jrayhawk | this implies that whatever you're expecting to exist after 192.168.1.1 isn't responding to network activity. | 15:26 |
| nmz787 | oh well | 15:30 |
| nmz787 | good thing i have a smartphone with OK 3G | 15:30 |
| jrayhawk | oh i guess verizon manages those DNS servers. whatever. | 15:34 |
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| bkero | kanzure: will probably be getting into san antonio around 8 or 9. :( | 16:53 |
| @kanzure | bkero: good, i can't really play before then. | 16:53 |
| bkero | kanzure: haha, alright | 16:53 |
| bkero | I'm down for anything, I just need to be up around 8am for rackspace interview crapola. | 16:54 |
| @kanzure | bkero: don't count on me until i confirm of course.. | 17:01 |
| bkero | kanzure: My routine isn't going to change: 1) Get into San Antonio. 2) Steal underpants. 3) Go to hotel | 17:01 |
| @kanzure | nmz787: so i think you should spam that biohack-nyc thread with "or if you can't wait until then, join irc" http://diyhpl.us/wiki/hplusroadmap/ has instructions | 17:02 |
| @kanzure | bkero: ah my buddy mike can't hang out, apparently he has a job thing that keeps him until 5pm tomorrow. | 17:02 |
| @kanzure | jrayhawk: i want to convert an existing hg repository to git and append each commit message with "hg-commit-id:" strings. i would also really like it if the hg-git bridge thing still works. do you have any hints? | 17:04 |
| bkero | :( | 17:04 |
| bkero | kanzure: job things suck | 17:04 |
| @kanzure | where did chido/pasky go? | 17:05 |
| nmz787 | is chido == pasky? | 17:06 |
| nmz787 | chido hasn't been on for a while | 17:06 |
| nmz787 | was she ever on here before coming to SF in June? | 17:06 |
| @kanzure | chido and pasky are separate people | 17:06 |
| @kanzure | pasky has been in here for years | 17:07 |
| @kanzure | chido was not in here prior to SF | 17:07 |
| * bkero is chilling in PHX right now. | 17:07 | |
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| nmz787 | "The ASM9600 was designed in collaboration with Ben Potsaid, John Wen, and Yves Bellouard at the | 17:14 |
| nmz787 | Center for Automation Technologies and Systems (CATS) at Rensselear Polytechnic Institute (RPI; | 17:14 |
| nmz787 | Troy, NY)." | 17:14 |
| nmz787 | wonder who they are | 17:14 |
| @kanzure | jrayhawk: oh i see now. hg-to-git/hg-fast-export.py is just a wrapper around git-fast-import so it works like a normal thing. | 17:15 |
| nmz787 | this thing is hot http://www.thorlabs.com/images/Catalog/V19_07_Micros_Img.pdf | 17:15 |
| loanshark | OOH | 17:17 |
| loanshark | i wonder if you could make one of these :3 | 17:18 |
| loanshark | as in a microscope out of a digital camera | 17:18 |
| @kanzure | loanshark: http://diybio.org/2009/12/13/webcam-microscope-hacks-at-bosslab/ | 17:19 |
| bkero | kanzure: is Mike the dude in SA? | 17:19 |
| loanshark | ooh | 17:19 |
| loanshark | :3 thanks | 17:19 |
| bkero | loanshark: Some third world doctors do for cheap microscopes | 17:19 |
| @kanzure | bkero: michael long | 17:19 |
| loanshark | was just searching for it on instructables | 17:19 |
| @kanzure | instructables is bullshit | 17:19 |
| bkero | heh instructables | 17:20 |
| bkero | kanzure: I see | 17:20 |
| bkero | kanzure: any recommendations for places to go in SA while I'm there? | 17:20 |
| bkero | (this evening) | 17:20 |
| bkero | I recognize that it's sunday night and that might just usck. | 17:20 |
| bkero | *suck | 17:20 |
| loanshark | :O | 17:21 |
| loanshark | i like instructables | 17:21 |
| loanshark | their microscope is not very good | 17:22 |
| loanshark | :O | 17:23 |
| loanshark | you can see bubbles clearly :3 | 17:23 |
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| @kanzure | bkero: no i don't have any suggestions | 17:37 |
| loanshark | bkero: South Africa? | 17:39 |
| bkero | loanshark: Yes | 17:43 |
| bkero | I'm in Johannesberg | 17:43 |
| bkero | and looking for cool doodz | 17:43 |
| loanshark | i have a house there! | 17:43 |
| loanshark | well, my mum does | 17:43 |
| loanshark | ohhh | 17:43 |
| loanshark | ummm | 17:43 |
| loanshark | hate to break it to you but joburg sucks | 17:43 |
| loanshark | ^^ | 17:44 |
| loanshark | go to botswana! | 17:44 |
| yashgaroth | don't worry, he's strapped | 17:44 |
| loanshark | last time i was in joburg i bought a rifle | 17:44 |
| loanshark | then went hunting on a friend of my parents ranch | 17:45 |
| loanshark | there were wild horses and birds and stuff… did not seem very african | 17:46 |
| yashgaroth | keeping it zef huh | 17:46 |
| loanshark | no buffalo, no antelope, no elephants or rhinos… they have those confined to parks and hunting ranches | 17:46 |
| loanshark | did not enjoy my time in south africa | 17:47 |
| nmz787 | bkero: PHX isn't phoenix? | 17:49 |
| bkero | nmz787: it is | 17:55 |
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| * bkero board flight | 18:09 | |
| @kanzure | gitified: https://github.com/kanzure/pokered | 18:09 |
| @kanzure | (it was hg originally) | 18:09 |
| tashoutang | @K: I have seen your disscution with somebody about computer science and biology | 18:17 |
| tashoutang | I have a question | 18:17 |
| nmz787 | so you're in PHX and SA? | 18:17 |
| nmz787 | at the same time? | 18:17 |
| nmz787 | hi tashoutang | 18:18 |
| tashoutang | does computer science <or other "mathmatical related subjects"> use "deductive method" to study | 18:18 |
| tashoutang | he | 18:18 |
| tashoutang | hi | 18:19 |
| @kanzure | nmz787: he's flying to san antonio | 18:19 |
| @kanzure | nmz787: and loanshark made up some BS about south africa | 18:19 |
| tashoutang | and does biology use the "inductive method " to study the phenomena? | 18:19 |
| tashoutang | I am studying anatomy now | 18:20 |
| tashoutang | some of my friends studied reptiles. | 18:20 |
| nmz787 | bio maybe also called empirical | 18:20 |
| tashoutang | some studied evolution <in molecular level > | 18:21 |
| @kanzure | tashoutang: i don't know what you are asking. deducation/induction can both work. | 18:21 |
| nmz787 | but in that sense, that was done in math a long time ago | 18:21 |
| nmz787 | so maybe its just the level that each study has advanced is differe | 18:21 |
| nmz787 | different | 18:21 |
| tashoutang | somehow I always think that biology is to complicate and the knowlege is too disarray to have a systematic construct | 18:23 |
| @kanzure | you can still be systematic about biology.. that's what bioinformatics helps do | 18:23 |
| tashoutang | yeah | 18:23 |
| tashoutang | but for example | 18:23 |
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| tashoutang | how did they conclude a type of one species just because the morphology of one creature in the past? | 18:24 |
| @kanzure | they don't.. they make up taxonomies | 18:25 |
| tashoutang | will the old taxonomies be re-classified from the modern molecular knowlege? | 18:26 |
| tashoutang | and when I studied anatomy, i feel so boring about remembering so many terms... | 18:27 |
| tashoutang | does this have any scientific meaning? | 18:28 |
| tashoutang | just like signal transdution... | 18:28 |
| tashoutang | too many paths and somehow the relationships is very strange and sometimes without any logics | 18:29 |
| yashgaroth | yep pretty much | 18:30 |
| tashoutang | after 10 years of completing the human genome project, can we conclude some rules? | 18:30 |
| yashgaroth | nope not really | 18:30 |
| tashoutang | I think maybe we can guess some sequences might be exons, or not? | 18:31 |
| tashoutang | maybe the rules will be found by bio-informatics | 18:31 |
| yashgaroth | yes, but already knew all the exons from cDNA cloning | 18:31 |
| tashoutang | mmmm.... | 18:32 |
| tashoutang | to Yashgaroth: do you think human genome project was a necessary project? | 18:33 |
| yashgaroth | nothing is necessary, but it was a wise investment, yes | 18:33 |
| tashoutang | OK, | 18:33 |
| tashoutang | yeah, it might be very useful for future protein-like medicine... | 18:34 |
| tashoutang | to develop new drugs.... | 18:34 |
| yashgaroth | the technology that was developed in the project opened the path for cheap genome sequencing, which is important | 18:35 |
| tashoutang | mmmm.... | 18:35 |
| tashoutang | but the sequencing equipments are very expensive... | 18:35 |
| @kanzure | only because everyone keeps thinking that | 18:36 |
| yashgaroth | yes, but not everyone needs their genome sequencing machine | 18:36 |
| yashgaroth | their own*, I should say | 18:36 |
| tashoutang | mmmm... right.... | 18:36 |
| @kanzure | there's no particular reason a good sequencer needs to cost so much | 18:36 |
| @kanzure | they just do because people keep paying that much | 18:37 |
| @kanzure | (among other reasons and flaws of the biotech market) | 18:37 |
| tashoutang | will we develop a new and tech to let each lab has its equencing ability in the future, just like PCR machine? | 18:37 |
| yashgaroth | when enough labs have enough of a need for such a machine | 18:38 |
| yashgaroth | and it becomes cheaper and faster than sending it to another company for sequencing | 18:38 |
| tashoutang | yeah, | 18:38 |
| tashoutang | OK, thanks a lot, I think one day we might be able to set up a personal lab in the future, and the budget is under.... hmm.... 10,000 USD..... in the future, I hope so.... | 18:40 |
| @kanzure | tashoutang: hey are you able to do translation work? i was wondering what you think abuot translating http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/faq into chinese (i think you speak mandarin?) | 18:40 |
| @kanzure | *about | 18:40 |
| tashoutang | yeah, I speak mandarin.... | 18:41 |
| @kanzure | what is the current state of mandarin text for diybio/biohacking or basic biology on the web? | 18:41 |
| @kanzure | is there anything? | 18:41 |
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| tashoutang | but I have been working beneath a desk <with bench> for about 11 years | 18:42 |
| @kanzure | kendoka: hi | 18:42 |
| kendoka | hey | 18:42 |
| tashoutang | I can introduce a website, | 18:42 |
| tashoutang | wait | 18:42 |
| kendoka | anybody following LENR? | 18:43 |
| kendoka | Rossi et al | 18:43 |
| tashoutang | http://dxy.dxy.cn | 18:43 |
| tashoutang | it is said the largest chinese website in mainland China for life science | 18:44 |
| tashoutang | said to be | 18:44 |
| tashoutang | with simplified Chinese words | 18:44 |
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| @kanzure | in the US, science is not so centralized except in academic journals | 18:45 |
| @kanzure | 2 million members, 10000 currently online http://www.dxy.cn/bbs/index.html neat.. | 18:45 |
| tashoutang | they offer on-line trading offering | 18:45 |
| @kanzure | trading what? | 18:45 |
| @kanzure | hahah | 18:46 |
| @kanzure | yashgaroth: http://paper.pubmed.cn/ | 18:46 |
| @kanzure | YES | 18:46 |
| tashoutang | every kind of items about life science | 18:46 |
| tashoutang | clinical or non-clinical | 18:46 |
| yashgaroth | it needs a login? I guess | 18:46 |
| tashoutang | dxy need an account | 18:47 |
| tashoutang | you can find many recruiting messages there too. | 18:47 |
| yashgaroth | items, meaning information or chemicals? | 18:47 |
| tashoutang | both of them | 18:48 |
| @kanzure | tashoutang: do you know what ezproxy is? | 18:48 |
| tashoutang | even the new drug registration informations | 18:48 |
| tashoutang | @Kan: software? | 18:48 |
| @kanzure | programmers in china steal credentials for ezproxy instances to login and get papers from US schools | 18:49 |
| tashoutang | a kind of VPN? | 18:49 |
| tashoutang | ha | 18:50 |
| @kanzure | http proxy | 18:50 |
| tashoutang | yeah | 18:50 |
| @kanzure | not a vpn | 18:50 |
| tashoutang | some websites(in China) sell passwords and accounts | 18:51 |
| kendoka | http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/TianJexcessheatb.pdf | 18:51 |
| @kanzure | tashoutang: can you show me? | 18:51 |
| tashoutang | I think some students in the US sell their accounts to the hackers in China. | 18:51 |
| @kanzure | how much does an account cost? | 18:51 |
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| tashoutang | about 60~100 USD for several months<4 years ago> | 18:53 |
| tashoutang | their major clients are students | 18:53 |
| kendoka | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/92/2009DIA-08-0911-003.pdf | 18:53 |
| nmz787 | yashgaroth: did you ever get a job? | 18:53 |
| @kanzure | can you link me to a site that sells these? | 18:53 |
| kendoka | http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/sensors/PhySen/docs/LENR_at_GRC_2011.pdf | 18:53 |
| yashgaroth | nmz787: yeah I start tomorrow | 18:53 |
| @kanzure | tashoutang: what should i search for? in chinese? | 18:53 |
| tashoutang | can you read Chinese? | 18:54 |
| @kanzure | sort of :) | 18:54 |
| @kanzure | i try | 18:54 |
| tashoutang | u can use keywords like "徵求帳號"<the meaning is "I want some accounts"> | 18:55 |
| nmz787 | yashgaroth: doing what? | 18:55 |
| yashgaroth | GMP protein purification | 18:55 |
| @kanzure | tashoutang: "帐号" ? | 18:56 |
| @kanzure | tashoutang: i think this is similar | 18:56 |
| yashgaroth | includes months of paid GMP training :D | 18:56 |
| tashoutang | using google you can find this kind of questions, most of them are from the poor students they want to get new papers to finish their thesis | 18:56 |
| tashoutang | yeah | 18:56 |
| tashoutang | wait, | 18:56 |
| @kanzure | i see | 18:56 |
| tashoutang | I would google it first... | 18:57 |
| @kanzure | tashoutang: i want to buy $300 - $500 of accounts | 18:57 |
| tashoutang | "徵求帳號" | 18:57 |
| @kanzure | ah | 18:57 |
| @kanzure | i am getting back many results about gaming :( | 18:58 |
| tashoutang | asking of an account of "VPN, ncbi....etc..." | 18:58 |
| tashoutang | yeah | 18:58 |
| tashoutang | VPN?do you try it? | 18:58 |
| @kanzure | looking | 18:59 |
| tashoutang | at least somebody selled national Taiwan Universty's VPN account now, ...just googled it:) | 19:00 |
| tashoutang | I can tell you, it is obviously some students sell the accounts of NTU... | 19:00 |
| @kanzure | the only results i see are for gaming :( | 19:01 |
| @kanzure | google.com.hk ? | 19:01 |
| tashoutang | yeah | 19:01 |
| tashoutang | 徵求VPN帳號 | 19:01 |
| tashoutang | google it | 19:02 |
| @kanzure | aha | 19:03 |
| @kanzure | yes | 19:03 |
| tashoutang | 徵求期刊帳號 | 19:03 |
| tashoutang | 期刊means "journal" | 19:03 |
| ParahSailin_ | i know some of those characters | 19:04 |
| tashoutang | OK, I have to study my anatomy now, and I will keep staying on line... | 19:04 |
| tashoutang | :) | 19:04 |
| @kanzure | tashoutang: thank you | 19:04 |
| tashoutang | so you can find many resources | 19:05 |
| ParahSailin_ | i prefer to study other people's anatomy over my own | 19:05 |
| tashoutang | poor students can find the cheap and only way to get papers ,although it is illegal... | 19:06 |
| tashoutang | to Para: | 19:06 |
| tashoutang | of course | 19:06 |
| tashoutang | :) | 19:06 |
| ParahSailin_ | thats kinda confusing that you call it NTU, because normally i think the one in sg | 19:07 |
| @kanzure | ParahSailin_: find me a chinese bbs selling ezproxy accounts | 19:08 |
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| ParahSailin_ | big hand soup probably can help you more with that | 19:09 |
| tashoutang | u can use http://www.baidu.com <Chinese'version of GOOGLE> and the key word "徵求期刊帐号 site:.cn". | 19:10 |
| @kanzure | what is "big hand soup" | 19:10 |
| yashgaroth | one translation of ta shou tang, I'd wager | 19:10 |
| ParahSailin_ | bad play on his name | 19:11 |
| @kanzure | oh i see | 19:11 |
| kendoka | it comes with the fried rice | 19:11 |
| ParahSailin_ | i know enough chinese to butcher it in ways that amuse me | 19:11 |
| @kanzure | wow the baidu results are much better | 19:12 |
| tashoutang | you see, I always respect the Chinese, they always copy others' idea quickly... | 19:14 |
| tashoutang | and they always want to build their own system... | 19:14 |
| tashoutang | and it is very strange that they somehow use some "fire wall" to isolate the Baidu from google | 19:15 |
| tashoutang | so u will not find out some results and infromations of Baidu from google. | 19:16 |
| @kanzure | perfect.. http://bbs.proxycn.cn/read.php?tid=293839 | 19:20 |
| @kanzure | the connection seems to be poor to the US.. | 19:20 |
| @kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/%E6%9C%9F%E5%88%8A/blah.html | 19:20 |
| @kanzure | "literature agent area" http://bbs.proxycn.cn/thread.php?fid=45&page=0 | 19:20 |
| @kanzure | if only it would load :( | 19:20 |
| @kanzure | ParahSailin_: do you know a good http proxy i can use that might help my http requests? | 19:22 |
| ParahSailin_ | one inside a uni paywall? | 19:23 |
| @kanzure | no | 19:23 |
| @kanzure | just in general | 19:23 |
| ParahSailin_ | what purpose, requirements | 19:24 |
| @kanzure | ParahSailin_: when i request bbs.proxycn.cn i think i am being filtered by something, somewhere | 19:25 |
| @kanzure | because my connection gets reset each time | 19:25 |
| ParahSailin_ | great wall | 19:26 |
| brownies | a BBS? how retro | 19:27 |
| @kanzure | brownies: BBSes are super popular in china | 19:27 |
| @kanzure | but they are really just forums | 19:27 |
| @kanzure | i think "discuz!" is the phpbb of china | 19:28 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: ask to proxy through tashoutang | 19:33 |
| yashgaroth | he's also outside the firewall | 19:34 |
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| @kanzure | "利用google搜密码 最早以前，我曾经用" password+journal" 方法搜过一些，效果也很明显。" | 19:34 |
| @kanzure | "后来有人提出一个号称通吃天下文献数据库的密码万能的公式， password=welcome+(X) x 可以为任何一个文献数据库的名称，可以写成 password=welcome+ProQuest password=welcome+Ingenta password=welcome+EBSCO。" | 19:34 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: http://spys.ru/free-proxy-list/CN/ | 19:35 |
| @kanzure | "等等，放到google里后，检索为“password welcome ProQuest” 这样会有好多的密码出现，你慢慢尝试吧！" | 19:35 |
| @kanzure | "cnki/vip/wanfang/renda/ssreader" | 19:36 |
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| ParahSailin_ | bbs is easier to sinicize than "forum" | 19:38 |
| @kanzure | maybe this one.. http://bbs.ok6ok.com/index.php | 19:59 |
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| @kanzure | baidu snapshot: http://cache.baidu.com/c?m=9d78d513d9d430a84f9d93697d15c0161f43f0672ba3a0027ea4843e90732844501790ac53250705a3d20a6216de3a4b9cf62102311421c78cb9fe5da9b1866f6fd6286e365ac45613a004b29b1664d620e707b0ab44beadf045c2f38dce&p=93759a46d6c62dfe0be2977555579f2e&user=baidu&fm=sc&query=%C5%B5%B1%B4%B6%FB%D1%A7%CA%F5%D7%CA%D4%B4%CD%F8&qid=c8996eac18adb9e7&p1=1 | 20:02 |
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| @kanzure | i guess i-nobel.com still works | 20:03 |
| delinquentme | http://techcrunch.com/2012/08/14/big-money-for-nano-innovations-samsung-leads-20m-round-in-raydiance-for-laser-precision-manufacturing/ | 20:08 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, nmz787 | 20:08 |
| delinquentme | ^^^ | 20:08 |
| delinquentme | fenn | 20:08 |
| @kanzure | it's a link to fucking techcrunch, no way i'm clicking that | 20:08 |
| delinquentme | .... | 20:10 |
| delinquentme | wat. | 20:10 |
| delinquentme | you can see the title | 20:10 |
| delinquentme | what kind of silly logic says I dont go to TC | 20:11 |
| @kanzure | the title sucks and is uninteresting | 20:11 |
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| nmz787 | article doesnt say much more than the title | 20:16 |
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| @kanzure | i should get points for predicting things like this | 20:17 |
| brownies | i hereby award you 1 brownie point | 20:21 |
| * kanzure reads the point | 20:26 | |
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| @kanzure | "non-redeemable" | 20:26 |
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| @kanzure | brownies: your point seems to be non-reedemable.. | 20:27 |
| brownies | kanzure: no cash value, but you can redeem a million brownie points for 1 cookie | 20:27 |
| @kanzure | this is worth less than the equity you gave me, fuck this | 20:28 |
| brownies | i gave you equity? whoa. | 20:29 |
| @kanzure | the fictional equity | 20:29 |
| brownies | as long as it was also vesting | 20:30 |
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| nmz787 | kanzure, how do i commit to SVN | 20:43 |
| @kanzure | svn commit | 20:43 |
| jrayhawk | first you make kanzure port it to git, then you run git commit | 20:44 |
| @kanzure | not tonight.. i'm busy being busy with things. | 20:45 |
| @kanzure | nmz787: bug jrayhawk to tell you about git-svn | 20:45 |
| nmz787 | says the lock is permission denied | 20:45 |
| @kanzure | welcome to the wonderful world of svn | 20:46 |
| brownies | hahah | 20:47 |
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| OldCoder | loanshark, hello | 21:57 |
| loanshark | hello | 21:57 |
| OldCoder | So... mold. Good or bad? | 21:57 |
| Jora | hello, whats up? | 21:57 |
| OldCoder | Jora, Hello. loanshark is learning about DIY. | 21:57 |
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| OldCoder | kanzure has explained that DIYBIO is not a rapid process. | 21:58 |
| OldCoder | So, one question is, can a hobbyist and novice do anything with DIYBIO above the mold level? | 21:58 |
| nmz787 | uh oh | 21:58 |
| OldCoder | ? | 21:58 |
| Jora | Cool...Im not exactly familiar with DIYBIO in its entirity, morely a mere spectator? | 21:59 |
| OldCoder | Ditto | 21:59 |
| nmz787 | geez what did i miss in here | 21:59 |
| OldCoder | nmz787, Hi | 21:59 |
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| OldCoder | Seems to me that mold is something a novice could study | 21:59 |
| Jora | I need to get a lot of additional education in order to be able to pursue anything I'm interested in. | 21:59 |
| OldCoder | Yep | 21:59 |
| OldCoder | But it is possible | 21:59 |
| nmz787 | basically we're all tired of explainin to noobs recently, and a lot of the online community DIYbio activity has been down this past year, as compared to the past 2-3 years | 22:00 |
| loanshark | Jora: have you seen the biology lectures on www.khanacademy.org? | 22:00 |
| loanshark | jora: they are awesome, very good visual system of online teaching | 22:00 |
| nmz787 | so not many people around taking the time to explain things, or more importantly, collaborate on making the FAQ better | 22:00 |
| Jora | cool loanshart, nice site for other things as well | 22:01 |
| OldCoder | nmz787, that makes sense | 22:01 |
| loanshark | nmz787: I'm not sure how to log into the website so i can edit the FAQ xD | 22:01 |
| Jora | well im just a computer information systems student and call center rep during the day, no time to take bio classes none offered here at night | 22:02 |
| OldCoder | I'll do a bit of it if Bryan will explain some of the priorities | 22:02 |
| OldCoder | Call Center rep; that's usually fun | 22:02 |
| loanshark | Jora: they are not bio classes | 22:02 |
| OldCoder | Jora, you can pick up some things regardless | 22:02 |
| nmz787 | loanshark: kanzure or jrayhawk have to give you permission | 22:02 |
| Jora | It gets boring answering the phone :) | 22:02 |
| Jora | But i do that kind of work to pay the bills and work on other stuff | 22:03 |
| OldCoder | Jora, there's always the human element | 22:03 |
| OldCoder | Yes | 22:03 |
| loanshark | jora: people use them as a study aid. Just try to watch one - http://www.khanacademy.org/science/biology/v/chromosomes--chromatids--chromatin--etc | 22:03 |
| nmz787 | there's also coursera and MIT's online stuff | 22:03 |
| Jora | Yes, I signed up for cousera | 22:03 |
| Jora | And an neuroscience course on another site thats supposed to be free | 22:03 |
| nmz787 | i think there's a free online school where you can actually get a degree | 22:04 |
| nmz787 | (wish that woulda been around when i was a kid) | 22:04 |
| Jora | never heard of that, but teaching yourself things is never bad | 22:04 |
| Jora | #1 priority is to the school work is paying for though | 22:04 |
| Jora | i lurk in here from time to time | 22:05 |
| Jora | do you guys like to discuss article and science findings as well as the DIY stuff? | 22:06 |
| @kanzure | loanshark: the instructions to log into the FAQ are in the fucking FAQ, shit man | 22:06 |
| @kanzure | blaah | 22:06 |
| * OldCoder laughs | 22:06 | |
| OldCoder | kanzure, hi | 22:06 |
| loanshark | >.< | 22:06 |
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| OldCoder | loanshark, don't take that too seriously | 22:06 |
| @kanzure | no, he should take it completely seriously | 22:06 |
| OldCoder | Yes | 22:06 |
| OldCoder | The instructions | 22:07 |
| @kanzure | it's a true statement: it's in the FAQ and he failed | 22:07 |
| OldCoder | Not the blaah part | 22:07 |
| OldCoder | He should definitely read the FAQ before editing the FAQ | 22:07 |
| @kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/faq/#index18h1 | 22:07 |
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| gnusha_ | diyhpluswiki.git: 6575126 increase git documentation in diybio/faq.mdwn | 22:10 |
| loanshark | kanzure: i fail to see where the instructions to log in are | 22:11 |
| @kanzure | loanshark: http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/faq#editing | 22:11 |
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| loanshark | kanzure: still, I don't see where the log in instructions are. | 22:15 |
| loanshark | I made an account yesterday | 22:15 |
| loanshark | i just don't know how to log in | 22:16 |
| @kanzure | loanshark: click "edit" | 22:16 |
| loanshark | ahh | 22:17 |
| loanshark | :3 | 22:17 |
| @kanzure | https://secure.diyhpl.us/write/diyhpluswiki/ikiwiki.cgi?page=diybio%2Ffaq&do=edit | 22:17 |
| * loanshark is learning slowly but surely | 22:18 | |
| loanshark | or maybe just slowly :P | 22:19 |
| OldCoder | Surely I'm Sure | 22:20 |
| OldCoder | Say, Shirley, I'm Sure | 22:20 |
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