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| -!- Topic for ##hplusroadmap: biohacking, nootropics, transhumanism, open hardware | sponsored by george church and the NRA | http://gnusha.org/logs http://diyhpl.us/wiki http://groups.google.com/group/diybio | friends don't let friends do super college | 08:11 | |
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| kanzure | you guys are being boring | 08:16 |
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| chido | sorry | 08:17 |
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| EnLilaSko | Too much spam | 08:21 |
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| kanzure | EnLilaSko: which stuff was spam? | 08:31 |
| EnLilaSko | I was joking that people were spamming because it's dead here. | 08:31 |
| kanzure | you could even say everyone has a grave complexion | 08:33 |
| * docl has just signed up for FoldIt | 08:34 | |
| docl | the game where you fold proteins for science | 08:35 |
| docl | I wonder how long it takes to get good at? | 08:35 |
| * kanzure folds docl | 08:38 | |
| * docl crumples into a novel shape | 08:39 | |
| docl | high score! | 08:39 |
| strangewarp | docl: A couple months I think? Quicker if you're a super-pro puzzle gamer | 08:39 |
| docl | hmm. they should fold proteins for nootropics that make you better at folding proteins. then we enter the foldularity. | 08:44 |
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| chris_99 | w00t finally programmed a 32 bit PIC | 08:50 |
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| strangewarp | docl: Damn you, I laughed... | 08:56 |
| docl | :) | 08:59 |
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| chris_99b | ThomasEgi, have you done USB before? | 10:22 |
| chris_99b | on MCUs | 10:22 |
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| ThomasEgi | not directly | 10:22 |
| ThomasEgi | only via an rs232 adapter chip | 10:22 |
| ThomasEgi | i know someone who does tho. | 10:22 |
| chris_99b | ah yeah i've done that | 10:22 |
| chris_99b | am just about to try and implement a virtual serial port hopefully | 10:23 |
| chris_99b | on a PIC | 10:23 |
| ThomasEgi | is a pic even fast enough for that? | 10:23 |
| chris_99b | yup | 10:23 |
| chris_99b | it can do usb directly | 10:23 |
| archels | chris_99b: I was going to give this a try soon http://www.obdev.at/products/vusb/index.html | 10:47 |
| archels | If an AVR can bitbang USB, so can a PIC. Would probably suck having to port this entire library yourself though. | 10:47 |
| kanzure | why would you want to use a pic anyway? | 10:48 |
| * kanzure is a sucker for avr chips | 10:48 | |
| archels | indeed, indeed. | 10:49 |
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| ThomasEgi | true.. i mean. there are avr's that come with hardware-usb controller | 11:02 |
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| chris_99b | that looks cool archels | 11:04 |
| chris_99b | kanzure, because i've done a fair bit of programming with PICs | 11:04 |
| archels | ThomasEgi: Yes, but those are often overkill, coming in 100+ pin packages. This library allows you to run dataloggers and stuff on really basic, 8-pin micros. | 11:04 |
| chris_99b | PICs have their own lib too | 11:04 |
| ThomasEgi | archels, they "often" .. yeah. but there are very small ones too. with just a hand full of pins | 11:05 |
| ThomasEgi | like the 8u2 which has 32 pins | 11:07 |
| ThomasEgi | in tqfp package. so. they can be still soldered by hand without special equipment | 11:08 |
| archels | ThomasEgi: and n times as expensive. | 11:11 |
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| ThomasEgi | 3dollar 70 cent per unit. if you order single quantities | 11:14 |
| ThomasEgi | about 2 if you order in the thousands | 11:15 |
| ThomasEgi | if you tell me that hacking a usb stack into a pic is worth that much time*average programmer pay per hour... | 11:15 |
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| archels | Well, if you're going to switch from PIC to AVR, you'll probably need another programmer as well. | 11:23 |
| archels | Anyway, I meant that the simple AVRs cost a lot less than those with hardware USB support. | 11:23 |
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| ThomasEgi | but for an usb enabled avr you don't need a programmer | 11:43 |
| ThomasEgi | as you can programm it right over usb | 11:43 |
| ThomasEgi | all you need to do is to connect a simple reset-button and a pullup resistor | 11:44 |
| archels | Until you screw up the bootloader, sure. :) | 11:46 |
| ThomasEgi | hard to do^ | 11:47 |
| ThomasEgi | it is some atmel hardware thingy iirc | 11:47 |
| ThomasEgi | and you use their software to upload the actual code to the atmega | 11:47 |
| ThomasEgi | if you really screw that up. you need to go with the 6pin isp header. | 11:48 |
| ThomasEgi | programmers for that are cheap. and can be made from a simple atmega,too^ | 11:48 |
| chris_99 | are they JTAG | 11:50 |
| ThomasEgi | some atmegas come with jtag ports | 12:01 |
| ThomasEgi | not sure if they are used for regular ISP | 12:02 |
| ThomasEgi | in worst case you just buy a programmer for 15 bucks and that's it | 12:02 |
| ThomasEgi | if you have a parallel port, then you don't even need that | 12:02 |
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| ThomasEgi | even a true rs232 port is enough | 12:03 |
| kanzure | "mv: cannot move `blah' to a subdirectory of itself, `blah/blah'" | 12:03 |
| kanzure | anyone know how to do this? :| | 12:03 |
| kanzure | i'd rather not rename things manually | 12:03 |
| ThomasEgi | yeah | 12:03 |
| ThomasEgi | it is just as the error tells you. you cant move a directory into a directory that's inside that one | 12:04 |
| ThomasEgi | that would like.. create a directory-loop outside the rest of the filesystem | 12:04 |
| kanzure | yes, but maybe there's a "yes, i really want to move this into a folder named blah/ even if that blah doesn't exist yet" | 12:05 |
| ThomasEgi | nope. this is a "no we can't allow you to create a timespacewraploop on your harddisk" | 12:05 |
| brownies | the problem is essentially that you're using "blah" to mean 2 different things | 12:06 |
| brownies | and there's no way for it to tell the difference | 12:06 |
| kanzure | yeah i know | 12:06 |
| kanzure | i'd be fine if i have to pass a flag | 12:06 |
| ThomasEgi | how about you move the content of your directory blah into a new directory. and then move this one | 12:09 |
| ThomasEgi | it's more about making sense than passing flags i guess | 12:09 |
| kanzure | that's what i do already. i do that all the time and i'm bored of it. | 12:09 |
| brownies | this is kanzure's weekend project | 12:09 |
| kanzure | i could write a script, but then i have to add it to my "populate a new computer with all my terrible scripts" thing. | 12:09 |
| brownies | if he can solve it this weekend, then he'll be net positive on time gained after the next couple decades or so | 12:10 |
| kanzure | yep | 12:10 |
| kanzure | $ ls -1 ~/local | 12:10 |
| kanzure | 573 | 12:10 |
| kanzure | i've done this 573 times, that's like almost an hour of typing | 12:10 |
| kanzure | over the course of >3 years. | 12:10 |
| ThomasEgi | how about using rsync to copy stuff to the new directory and delete the old ones? | 12:11 |
| ThomasEgi | might not be as fast tho | 12:11 |
| kanzure | rsync would probably complain about the source or destination already existing? | 12:11 |
| ThomasEgi | rsync has many options | 12:12 |
| ThomasEgi | i used the wrong options yesturday and ended up creating a copy of a directory within the directory | 12:12 |
| ThomasEgi | which is probably not much different from what described | 12:13 |
| ThomasEgi | probably just need to add the option to delete the successfully copied files or so | 12:13 |
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| ThomasEgi | but then.. i think that's really what scripts are for | 12:14 |
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| chris_99b | http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/270724611652?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 | 13:38 |
| chris_99b | itsy bitsy laser cutter | 13:39 |
| ThomasEgi | bout 600 euros with shipping.. | 13:55 |
| ThomasEgi | not bad | 13:55 |
| ThomasEgi | that waterpump looks.. cheap tho | 13:57 |
| chris_99b | yeah | 13:58 |
| chris_99b | could easily get a better one for £30 | 13:58 |
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| chris_99b | one of these would be fun to play with http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/120967374923?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 | 13:59 |
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| ThomasEgi | chris_99b, if you think that watching a small rotor slowly rotate has a great long-term fun factor.. | 14:10 |
| ThomasEgi | i can recommend analog clocks in that case. | 14:10 |
| ThomasEgi | hours of fun | 14:10 |
| strangewarp | gnahaahaha | 14:13 |
| strangewarp | My noopept has arrived :3 | 14:13 |
| chris_99b | 1000 times stronger than piracetam ey | 14:14 |
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| yashgaroth | well, by weight | 14:35 |
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| brownies | isn't that the mysterious russian chemical? | 14:37 |
| yashgaroth | is not mysterious, drug is fine | 14:37 |
| yashgaroth | all hail glorious russian biochem corpus | 14:38 |
| kanzure | yashgaroth: what else should i grab besides "methods in molecular bio" | 14:41 |
| yashgaroth | Encyclopedia of Molecular Cell Biology and Molecular Medicine, T. Strachan, A. Read - Human Molecular Genetics 4ed(2011), Janeway%27s_Immunobiology, Gene and Cell Therapy - Therapeutic Mechanisms and Strategies, ummm | 14:42 |
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| brownies | yashgaroth: haha | 14:43 |
| yashgaroth | Methods in Molecular Biology & Medicine is another compendium, it's a bit more general too | 14:43 |
| yashgaroth | GURPS - 4th Edition - BioTech :D | 14:44 |
| brownies | you got a paper handy on noopept? | 14:44 |
| * kanzure looks | 14:45 | |
| kanzure | uh apparently, no | 14:45 |
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| chris_99 | is there a decent book explaining how different drugs work | 15:13 |
| yashgaroth | did you have a specific subclass in mind | 15:14 |
| yashgaroth | for a lot of psychoactives we don't know much | 15:15 |
| chris_99 | not really, would be curious about any drugs really from morphine to whatever | 15:16 |
| yashgaroth | wikipedia's pretty good | 15:17 |
| kanzure | i don't recall seeing a generic "what this chemical does when it comes into random contact with your cell parts" | 15:17 |
| kanzure | like, most of the time there's no interaction between the integral proteins on the surface of a cell and a random chemical in the bloodstream | 15:18 |
| kanzure | but some can definitely plastify..plasticate? whatever. | 15:18 |
| brownies | perhaps you should start by reading on neurotransmitters | 15:18 |
| brownies | oh i guess that would only be appropriate for drugs that are targeted to the brain | 15:19 |
| brownies | more generally you can (almost) always find a "mechanism of action" section for any drug on wikipedia or (if you must) in a pharmacology encyclopedia | 15:19 |
| kanzure | ehh.. "mechanism of action" isn't always known | 15:20 |
| chris_99 | yeah true, wikipedia is helpful for that when it is known. It'd be cool though if there was a book on how they develop new drugs | 15:20 |
| kanzure | look up 'drug discovery' | 15:20 |
| brownies | right, it's not always known, but it's a good start | 15:21 |
| yashgaroth | they either find a compound in nature that supposedly has an effect, then modify it, or get a library of millions of molecules and see which ones bind the target protien | 15:21 |
| brownies | yea it's very haphazard and not terribly analytical atm | 15:21 |
| kanzure | or in some cases they have a greybeard that might know something about a very narrow range of chemical structures, and he miight have a good guess | 15:22 |
| yashgaroth | once they have a potential binder they can try and see where it fits into the protein using crystallography | 15:22 |
| kanzure | and this greybeard might have authored the last 400 books on the subject | 15:22 |
| kanzure | (some of the organic chemists are nuts like this) | 15:22 |
| chris_99 | hehe | 15:22 |
| brownies | yeah, sometimes you stumble across a whole family of molecules, and you can try variatons on a theme and get different results within a narrow spectrum | 15:22 |
| brownies | kanzure: are we thinking of the same greybeard? heh | 15:23 |
| yashgaroth | using the crystal structure, there is a little rationality to modifying the chemical...but still not much | 15:23 |
| kanzure | i had one example in mind but i can't remember his name :( | 15:23 |
| brownies | or you can deduce, "hey, sticking this group onto the molecule makes it do X... let's stick that group onto other things and see what happens!" | 15:23 |
| kanzure | one of his popular photos is him standing next to his stack of 400 books he authored | 15:23 |
| brownies | oh, hm, i don't think the one i have in mind authored 400 books | 15:24 |
| yashgaroth | whitesides? | 15:24 |
| kanzure | no not whitesides | 15:24 |
| kanzure | someone less popular :P | 15:24 |
| yashgaroth | pah | 15:24 |
| kanzure | whitesides is even known by non-chemists | 15:24 |
| brownies | naw | 15:24 |
| brownies | nothing like a rousing game of "guess the famous organic chemist" though | 15:25 |
| kanzure | well, maybe he's on http://www.rsc.org/images/H-index%20ranking%20of%20living%20chemists(December%202011)_tcm18-211414.pdf | 15:25 |
| yashgaroth | man I forgot how much germans love chemistry | 15:26 |
| kanzure | and was from israel | 15:26 |
| kanzure | which doesn't help, because israel pumps out a lot of organic chemists | 15:26 |
| yashgaroth | wiesel? | 15:27 |
| yashgaroth | wait no | 15:28 |
| kanzure | not an easy thing to find. | 15:29 |
| kanzure | it would probably help if i could remember which subfield it was | 15:30 |
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| kanzure | i swear these chemists look dead inside | 15:42 |
| kanzure | http://www.rsc.org/ej/CS/2009/b822963p/b822963p-p1.gif | 15:42 |
| kanzure | http://www.rsc.org/ej/CS/2009/b822963p/b822963p-p2.gif | 15:43 |
| kanzure | http://www.rsc.org/ej/JM/2006/b505706j/b505706j-p2.gif | 15:43 |
| kanzure | i should make a face guessing game.. molecular biologist or organic chemist or software engineer? | 15:44 |
| kanzure | "organic chemist or legendary blues player" | 15:46 |
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| kanzure | "Wythe Marschall is the co-author of Suspicious Anatomy, an illustrated book of fake neuroscience" ? | 15:58 |
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| nsh | eh? | 15:58 |
| kanzure | "Spawned from a dissatisfaction with the theoretical nature of the transhumanism movement, biohackers--often referred to as "grinders"--seek to improve" grinders? :( blaah | 15:59 |
| nsh | so i should cancel all that personalised stationary i ordered with "Grinder 4 lyf" on it? | 16:00 |
| kanzure | well, it just means that more people who really should be pointed to BMEzine will wind up in here | 16:01 |
| nsh | oh | 16:01 |
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| jrayhawk | body modders make for willing experimental subjects, though | 16:39 |
| kanzure | 5 | 16:40 |
| kanzure | dfkfajsdfa | 16:40 |
| ThomasEgi | ... willing experimental subjects.. like that one guy that is so keen to turn himself into a furry that he risks even death by super-gen-cancer | 16:52 |
| ThomasEgi | *sigh* yeah... grinders/biohackers attrackt a lot of weirdo (and often unskilled) people. | 16:53 |
| kanzure | to be fair, most of the educational materials in genetics is crap | 17:01 |
| kanzure | it's all the same style | 17:01 |
| kanzure | and it's never lab techniques | 17:01 |
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| strangewarp | If someone tries to turn themself into a furry with untested biotech, I am going to facepalm so hard | 17:10 |
| kanzure | technology doesn't turn you into a furry... the internet does. | 17:11 |
| strangewarp | pffff | 17:12 |
| ThomasEgi | strangewarp, wanna see the link?.. it might make you puke. the guy is pretty resistant against good advice. | 17:13 |
| kanzure | "BELIEVE IN YOURSELF" | 17:14 |
| strangewarp | Like, I am as pro-furry as can possibly be, but even I recognize that using untested biotech never turns out well outside of certain erotic comics | 17:14 |
| strangewarp | ThomasEgi: Urgh... fine, link me | 17:14 |
| ThomasEgi | http://discuss.biohack.me/discussion/259/operation-fuzzball | 17:14 |
| ThomasEgi | you've been warned | 17:14 |
| strangewarp | ugh | 17:14 |
| kanzure | operation... fuzzball? o.O | 17:14 |
| ThomasEgi | daaarn straight. | 17:14 |
| ThomasEgi | ohgood i can't stop laughting just thinking about that discussion | 17:15 |
| strangewarp | ugh, god, I can't read more than half the opening sentence without wanting to strangle this person | 17:15 |
| ThomasEgi | that sentence spawns across 6 lines^ | 17:15 |
| ThomasEgi | goosh i hope i never get reminded of this guy when i am in public | 17:15 |
| ThomasEgi | guess otherwise someone would call the police cause i'd be like laughting my butt of so hard | 17:16 |
| strangewarp | I'm of the opinion that furry and H+ need to be kept apart as long as possible, because you'll get some fannish moron killing himself with bad science sooner or later | 17:17 |
| ThomasEgi | btw.. 2nd post is pretty much what you intended to do | 17:17 |
| ThomasEgi | yeah.. but then. this is the internet. furries will hang on to whatever straw they can to keep their hope floating | 17:17 |
| strangewarp | very true | 17:18 |
| ThomasEgi | their reasoning is beyond logic | 17:18 |
| ThomasEgi | i mean hey, cat ears are cute, sure. but like... fucking myself up by nuking my genes and turning me into a giant tumor.. no way. | 17:19 |
| ThomasEgi | there are less painful and more fun ways to kill yourself afterall | 17:20 |
| ThomasEgi | like.. jumping out of a plane with no chute or so. | 17:20 |
| strangewarp | ha | 17:20 |
| strangewarp | I'm into the idea of that sort of bodmod, but I'm going to wait until it's not a shot in the dark with untested methods, natch | 17:21 |
| ParahSailin_ | so now i can be a real brony? | 17:22 |
| ThomasEgi | what's a browny? mix between a schocolate cookie and a pony? | 17:22 |
| strangewarp | ThomasEgi: turn back, before it's too late | 17:22 |
| ThomasEgi | don't worry. i just want to know how i can exploit those fools | 17:23 |
| ThomasEgi | they do seem desperate enough to sacrifice themselves. guess it won't be hard to make them funding some semi-related projects | 17:23 |
| kanzure | ThomasEgi: yeah, you might be able to get them to throw money at things | 17:24 |
| kanzure | but, do you really want their money? it means you will be surrounded by them. | 17:24 |
| ThomasEgi | who cares. | 17:24 |
| kanzure | it means more exposure to things you don't like | 17:24 |
| ThomasEgi | with the money i can build my underground village | 17:24 |
| ThomasEgi | i have no problems with their ideas. just with the way they want things that are flat out not possible. and i'll shield myself from that | 17:25 |
| ThomasEgi | besides. some materials for grinding are expensive. implant-grade silicone won't sell for under 300 bucks. and platin-iridium aint exactly cheap either | 17:26 |
| ThomasEgi | so yes. bit of furr-founding would help everyone else | 17:26 |
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| strangewarp | Hmmm | 17:29 |
| strangewarp | You wouldn't even have to scam them, really | 17:30 |
| ThomasEgi | if they'd give up on the gen mod approach | 17:31 |
| strangewarp | If you threw their money at biomechatronics research, you could do it with the justification of "40 years down the line, this will make you into an awesome cyborg of XYZ shape" - which is a plausible, if long-term, assertion | 17:31 |
| ThomasEgi | even on short term you can get something like a tail or realistic looking ears in a couple of years | 17:32 |
| ThomasEgi | but.. if you follow that discussion i linked. that person doesn't seems to be too interested | 17:33 |
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| kanzure | well, show me some numbers. how much moeny do they have? | 17:33 |
| kanzure | i bet they are on average <40 years old, born after 1980 | 17:33 |
| strangewarp | Most of them are in dead-end middle-class jobs, from what I can tell | 17:33 |
| kanzure | so they probably have some amount disposable income | 17:33 |
| kanzure | oh | 17:33 |
| kanzure | so, then, no, they don't have money | 17:33 |
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| ThomasEgi | it's not that grinders need tons of money to do research | 17:34 |
| strangewarp | A few of them are scientists or top-tier programmers, but it's definitely a minority | 17:34 |
| ThomasEgi | so far our crowdfunding worked out pretty well. | 17:34 |
| kanzure | strangewarp: so zuck's a brony? | 17:34 |
| kanzure | ThomasEgi: crowdfunding to do what | 17:34 |
| strangewarp | kanzure: hahahaha no he's just a bro | 17:34 |
| strangewarp | broseph* | 17:34 |
| strangewarp | brolar ice caps | 17:35 |
| ThomasEgi | kanzure, to raise enough money to buy the materials neccessary to turn a circuit that works on a lab-bench into a biocompatible implant | 17:35 |
| ThomasEgi | given the rather big minimum quantities we'd have to order that sums up to about 500 dollars of initial materials | 17:35 |
| kanzure | are you saying you already did this? | 17:35 |
| kanzure | and if so, what's the circuit? | 17:36 |
| kanzure | if it's an interesting circuit you could've just asked me for $500 | 17:36 |
| Eudoxia | s'warp: for every samuel conway there are a thousand, well, useless people? | 17:36 |
| ThomasEgi | we are still working on all-purpose circuitry | 17:36 |
| kanzure | who is "we"? | 17:36 |
| strangewarp | Eudoxia: exactly | 17:36 |
| ThomasEgi | such is basic input/output between eletcronics and the body. | 17:36 |
| ThomasEgi | aswell as battery management, wireless charging and communication between implant and a base station outside the body | 17:37 |
| ThomasEgi | kanzure, "we" grinders/biohackers | 17:37 |
| kanzure | all of them? | 17:37 |
| kanzure | come on, you know that's ambiguous | 17:37 |
| ThomasEgi | not all | 17:37 |
| kanzure | are you talking about a thing you wish you are diong, or do you have one specific person you're working with? | 17:37 |
| ThomasEgi | most are just buns going wtih the hype | 17:37 |
| kanzure | i don't understand | 17:37 |
| ThomasEgi | but there are like. maybe 5 to 10 people who have enough knowledge to actually do this. | 17:38 |
| kanzure | do you have a wireless charging circuit that you're working on, or are you saying you'd like to have that? | 17:38 |
| ThomasEgi | we do have the charging working already | 17:38 |
| kanzure | who is "we" | 17:38 |
| kanzure | blah | 17:38 |
| kanzure | you're impossible | 17:38 |
| Eudoxia | i wonder if samuel conway is working on making real furries | 17:38 |
| ThomasEgi | ... the circuit is on my shelf | 17:38 |
| ThomasEgi | within arm's reach | 17:38 |
| ThomasEgi | a friend of mine is working on another part | 17:38 |
| kanzure | ok i see. so you think you+your friend is the entirety of biohacking? :P i'm just saying man. | 17:39 |
| kanzure | i mean, it's good that you're doing this and i'm glad. | 17:39 |
| ThomasEgi | yeah. sorta. yes. | 17:39 |
| ThomasEgi | there are a few more people tho | 17:39 |
| kanzure | i don't really appreciate the "in/out group" trend that biohack.me introduced. | 17:39 |
| ThomasEgi | most people just want to try it out. few are capable of contributing in the design and build process. | 17:39 |
| kanzure | i suspect you are talking about that. | 17:39 |
| ThomasEgi | hm. what in/out group? | 17:40 |
| kanzure | "biohackers are only the people who have signed up on this website" ignoring the wider trend of biohackers and projects out there | 17:40 |
| ThomasEgi | nah there are more. | 17:41 |
| ThomasEgi | not many to begin with,tho | 17:41 |
| ThomasEgi | collaboration is difficult if you don't get word of others | 17:41 |
| kanzure | well, upload your schematics or BOMs somewhere | 17:42 |
| kanzure | i can provide hosting if you don't have it yet, but iirc you had a server somewhere | 17:42 |
| ThomasEgi | indeed i do. | 17:42 |
| ThomasEgi | atm, the designs are not finished | 17:42 |
| ThomasEgi | and unlike other projects, i prefer to not publish something that's potentially lethal in case one component fails. | 17:43 |
| ThomasEgi | once the circuit is final. things will be uploaded. | 17:43 |
| kanzure | i think a generic wireless charging circuit is useful for other things | 17:43 |
| ThomasEgi | atm there only is a tDCS design up. | 17:43 |
| kanzure | doesn't have to be related to body implants or lethality | 17:43 |
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| ThomasEgi | yeah but. that's really the easiest part of all | 17:43 |
| kanzure | link? | 17:43 |
| ThomasEgi | lemme find it | 17:43 |
| strangewarp | Wow, that furry guy in that thread is amazing | 17:44 |
| strangewarp | He's not interested in anything that would involve robotics or nanotech? | 17:44 |
| strangewarp | What an asshole | 17:44 |
| ThomasEgi | http://discuss.biohack.me/discussion/comment/1852#Comment_1852 | 17:44 |
| ThomasEgi | strangewarp, hey.. i did warn you^ | 17:45 |
| Eudoxia | I doubt Sarif Industries Furry Edition will catch on | 17:45 |
| Eudoxia | and I doubt nanotech will get far in the next few years, the nanofactory collaboration hasn't published anything since 2008 and the DSDM is way overdue for publication, so, I sort of stopped believing in MNT | 17:46 |
| kanzure | http://rdb.name/tdcs4.png | 17:46 |
| ThomasEgi | that very shematic | 17:46 |
| kanzure | http://rdb.name/tdcs5.png | 17:47 |
| kanzure | wget http://rdb.name/tdcs{1..5}.png | 17:48 |
| kanzure | blah what an awful way to publish schematics | 17:48 |
| ThomasEgi | not all of those are intended for publishing | 17:48 |
| kanzure | backup: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/tdcs/rdb/ | 17:49 |
| ThomasEgi | even this one isn't really published as the design has to undergo testing | 17:49 |
| strangewarp | Eudoxia: I meant that he said "I am not keen on mechanical, cybernetic, implanted, animatronic or prosthetic solutions myself" | 17:49 |
| strangewarp | That is ridiculous | 17:49 |
| ThomasEgi | kanzure, you can delete the first 3 | 17:49 |
| Eudoxia | of course | 17:49 |
| kanzure | eww rdb uses collada | 17:49 |
| strangewarp | Typical furry fan though - that community has this weird veneration of the pretension to natural embodiment | 17:49 |
| strangewarp | er, pretense* | 17:50 |
| ThomasEgi | they are just exchanging it between some people to review | 17:50 |
| Eudoxia | yeah, you'd think more furries would like to inhabit bodies built out of nanobots or something | 17:50 |
| ThomasEgi | kanzure, the current design undergoes testing these days. guess once those are done. there'll be more. but even the version you see in picture 4 is ways ahead of what most people advertise as tdcs on the net. | 17:51 |
| strangewarp | Eudoxia: Some of them do, but way fewer than you'd think | 17:52 |
| ThomasEgi | current stabelized, current failsafe-limiter, a software fault detection, esd protection and designed in a way you can ripp it off the head befor it fries your brain in case all safequards fail. | 17:52 |
| strangewarp | anyway aarggh, first day back on Cognizin citicoline | 17:52 |
| kanzure | http://rdb.name/laidback_upbeat_chill.mp3 | 17:52 |
| ThomasEgi | kanzure, and.. that collada pdf you see is probably the specification of the file format. after all, he's writing code for 3d engines and collada is a popular format to exchange models and stuff. | 17:53 |
| strangewarp | ThomasEgi: Damn.. impressive | 17:53 |
| ThomasEgi | kanzure, you'r quite the url-inlader eh? | 17:54 |
| kanzure | ThomasEgi: yes i'm aware of what collada is. | 17:55 |
| kanzure | ThomasEgi: yes | 17:55 |
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| ThomasEgi | so.. in short. rdb and me are the guys who currently spend a lot of brain in getting implants to work the way we want. | 17:57 |
| ThomasEgi | we recently found a neat little chip that makes a lot of our life easier. as it combines battery management, wireless charging and wireless communication. | 17:58 |
| ThomasEgi | that's on our "to-buy" list. | 17:59 |
| ThomasEgi | aswell as breakout boards for it so we can test it on the desk. | 18:00 |
| ThomasEgi | if you have a good recource on how to build electrically conducting silicone. that's one of the last things we are looking for. | 18:01 |
| kanzure | i see i see.. it would have been simpler to just say rdb, since we all know him already, and we clearly know you | 18:02 |
| kanzure | by "we" i mean "people reading this at the moment" | 18:02 |
| ThomasEgi | yeah.. well there are.. more people. | 18:03 |
| ThomasEgi | not many. some. a few so to say. maybe 2 or so. | 18:03 |
| ThomasEgi | and.. some that are interested in different areas. | 18:04 |
| ThomasEgi | i mean you know how hard it is to find skilled people. | 18:05 |
| ThomasEgi | back in 1998 this was no problem. everyone on the net had to be smart enough to read at least a modem-manual to even go online. but these days... well. operation fuzzball. nuff said | 18:06 |
| Eudoxia | that guy looked like he had some kind of paranoid delusion | 18:07 |
| ThomasEgi | someone suggest him to go for president. | 18:07 |
| ThomasEgi | or some other political job. | 18:07 |
| strangewarp | Meh, people in that fellow's particular position tend to take half-hearted stabs at irrational projects and then give up | 18:07 |
| strangewarp | I know from experience | 18:07 |
| Eudoxia | "I will be keeping the development stages under wraps if possible" | 18:08 |
| strangewarp | When I was 16, I tried to do ~things~ with transcendental meditation, and I ended up embarrassing myself so thoroughly that I realized I was completely wrong | 18:08 |
| strangewarp | So, hopefully the embarrassment will get him before too long | 18:08 |
| kanzure | strangewarp: "mom, does my hair look like a super saiyin's?" | 18:08 |
| ThomasEgi | strangewarp, :D i know another example for that. don't count on it. | 18:09 |
| Eudoxia | a lot of furries seem to have a big overlap with schizo* types of personality | 18:09 |
| Eudoxia | "weird paranormal beliefs" check | 18:09 |
| Eudoxia | "paranoid delusions" gun stockpiling Republican furries | 18:09 |
| strangewarp | bwahahahah | 18:09 |
| Eudoxia | i wonder if anyone has studied the incidence of SPD and schizophrenia in the community | 18:10 |
| Eudoxia | "Perhaps the levels of security I have built around this will do my cause more harm than good... Perhaps talking about it this much on here already has." Oh pop a Risperidone you crazy cunt | 18:11 |
| strangewarp | Eudoxia: If I remember one survey correctly, people who have gone into furry/otherkin are more likely to identify as body-dysmorphic - but the cause-and-effect mechanism is unclear | 18:11 |
| Eudoxia | I thought transhumanists were the ones with the body dysmorphia? | 18:12 |
| kanzure | no that's just natasha vita-more | 18:12 |
| Eudoxia | why can't I hold all these mental disorders? | 18:12 |
| kanzure | "morphological freedom" or somesuch | 18:12 |
| Eudoxia | ah yes | 18:13 |
| ThomasEgi | i totaly gave up on mental disorder crap. after finding that i pretty much qualify for all of them^ | 18:13 |
| strangewarp | Transhumanists idealize sterile bodiless purity! Until they start caring about the body, of course. Then they care only about the reprehensible carnal pleasures! | 18:16 |
| Eudoxia | silly you only AIs can have true digital purity | 18:17 |
| HighSpeed | digital purity = soap and alcohol wipes. | 18:18 |
| strangewarp | hmmm | 18:27 |
| strangewarp | I will just go ahead and start calling citicoline "autismium" because it turns me into Rain Man | 18:27 |
| strangewarp | jesus | 18:27 |
| kanzure | what do you mean? | 18:29 |
| kanzure | lots of wheel of fortune? | 18:29 |
| strangewarp | hahaha | 18:29 |
| strangewarp | ultra-focused, but it feels like the focus is distributed to pointless things | 18:29 |
| Eudoxia | there's probably another pill for that | 18:30 |
| kanzure | strangewarp: maybe you should pick a thing to do | 18:30 |
| strangewarp | Eudoxia: maybe :s | 18:30 |
| strangewarp | kanzure: good idea, hm | 18:31 |
| Eudoxia | you could hire someone to whip you every time you look away from the text editor | 18:31 |
| Eudoxia | i totally should do that as well | 18:31 |
| kanzure | that's the spirit, Eudoxia | 18:31 |
| * strangewarp shrugs, opens up a big Pd/Lua project that needs finished | 18:31 | |
| ThomasEgi | if that stuff really works like autism.. you'd hardly even notice the whipping | 18:32 |
| strangewarp | Eudoxia: I try not to force myself to do things too severely, ever since I had a nervous breakdown caused by too much of such an attitude | 18:32 |
| strangewarp | ThomasEgi: Point. Maybe the comparison isn't very strong, hm | 18:32 |
| ThomasEgi | does sound a bit like it tho. | 18:33 |
| Eudoxia | there may be some medication for that strangewarp | 18:34 |
| strangewarp | Yeah, like.. Adderall? something | 18:35 |
| Eudoxia | for nervous breakdowns | 18:35 |
| strangewarp | oh pff | 18:35 |
| Eudoxia | in the long term, though, one may end up liking the whipping, so some other strategy may be needed | 18:38 |
| ThomasEgi | .. hehe. that's not even unlikely | 18:39 |
| strangewarp | Plaster every surface that is not the computer screen with pictures of YO MOTHAH's many decades of depraved sexual escapades, obviously | 18:39 |
| ThomasEgi | .. i guess plastering them with textbooks would help better to not get distracted by the beauty of empty walls | 18:40 |
| ThomasEgi | either you like and learn them. or you ignore them an you can focus on what you want to do | 18:40 |
| Eudoxia | if the textbooks have good covers you could get distracted contemplating them | 18:40 |
| strangewarp | I got so tired of staring at a blank wall that I've overcome the dislike for painting that was drilled into me by art school... | 18:41 |
| strangewarp | Not finished yet; ought to add a layer | 18:42 |
| Eudoxia | do soul-crushing blank walls correlate with greater productivity than colorful walls? | 18:42 |
| ThomasEgi | no idea. bit even blank walls can be interesting. given they have a slight structire | 18:43 |
| ThomasEgi | *bit = but | 18:43 |
| Eudoxia | maybe you should make the room look like a Swiss patent office | 18:44 |
| Eudoxia | thought i only one have data point to support that | 18:44 |
| strangewarp | hahahahah | 18:44 |
| ThomasEgi | those acustic-dampening ceilings are even more mesmerizing. i can stare at them four hours finding repetive patterns in the holes | 18:44 |
| nsh | there shouldn't be any | 18:45 |
| ThomasEgi | einstein? | 18:45 |
| nsh | we can have some einstein | 18:45 |
| nsh | but repeating patterns in the ceiling are to be avoided | 18:46 |
| sylph_mako | For reference http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2b/Einsteinhausberne.jpg | 18:46 |
| Eudoxia | yes einstein | 18:46 |
| sylph_mako | I don't know how he got any work done with that tablecloth. | 18:46 |
| Eudoxia | hahahahha | 18:46 |
| ThomasEgi | still better than those floor-tile-tables | 18:46 |
| Eudoxia | that's a lot less soul-crushing than i expected | 18:47 |
| Eudoxia | it's even got portraits on the wall | 18:48 |
| Eudoxia | replace those with an Afremov and I could code | 18:48 |
| Eudoxia | FOREVER | 18:48 |
| sylph_mako | I'm pretty sure there's no amount of distractions you can remove that will make lead you to focus better than passion. | 18:49 |
| sylph_mako | Someone had to say it. | 18:49 |
| strangewarp | I want... a big, spartan workspace, with big brainy blcky paintings on the walls | 18:49 |
| strangewarp | blocky* | 18:50 |
| ThomasEgi | hear hear. | 18:50 |
| ThomasEgi | what i _don't_ want... is that traffic on the road in front of my window... as it forces me to work at night. | 18:50 |
| ThomasEgi | meh. i want my undegrount village already. | 18:51 |
| Eudoxia | underground? why not... underwater! | 18:51 |
| ThomasEgi | because underwater ceilings are more expensive. | 18:52 |
| strangewarp | I have put serious thought into taking out massive student loans to finish my BFA, trying to snag an internship, and inuring myself face-first to the rapacious barbarians of the fine-arts consumption class... solely to eventually have a decent modernist workspace | 18:52 |
| ThomasEgi | i can't afford them. | 18:52 |
| kanzure | strangewarp: why do you need massive loans to take an internship? | 18:52 |
| strangewarp | kanzure: because the arts are stupid | 18:52 |
| kanzure | um. | 18:53 |
| strangewarp | student loans -> finish degree -> get internship, basically | 18:53 |
| ThomasEgi | strangewarp, just put some pots of colors in a room and put big firecrackers inside? and you are an artist. | 18:53 |
| ThomasEgi | then pretend you get killed in a tragic way. which will increase the price on your images. | 18:53 |
| strangewarp | heh, I wish :p | 18:54 |
| strangewarp | er, the former, not the latter :p | 18:54 |
| sylph_mako | ThomasEgi, heard of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derinkuyu_Underground_City ? | 18:54 |
| ThomasEgi | also pretend to be your own , and last living relative so you actually get all themoney | 18:54 |
| kanzure | strangewarp: um, most people choose an internship first | 18:54 |
| strangewarp | kanzure: Arts internships are only available to people who are either actively pursuing a degree, or newly possessing a degree | 18:55 |
| strangewarp | Solely because there's so much competition for them | 18:55 |
| ThomasEgi | sylph_mako, not yet. interesting article. tho i planned to start with less than 20k people.. | 18:55 |
| kanzure | strangewarp: sounds like a silly thing to pursue then. | 18:56 |
| strangewarp | kanzure: That's why I've /only/ been tempted, and never decided to do it :p | 18:56 |
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| kanzure | why is my file storage api written by open knowledge foundation and rufus pollack? https://github.com/okfn/ofs | 19:06 |
| kanzure | http://archive.org/help/abouts3.txt "using the archive's S3 like server API" what? | 19:10 |
| nsh | can i buy another clue? | 19:12 |
| kanzure | i'm just very confused at the moment. all i wanted was a python library for switching out file storage backends. i don't want to have to write something to deal with using local filesystem stuff or s3 stuff. | 19:12 |
| kanzure | but there doesn't seem to be anything that does this, except ofs and shove, both of which seem to not be used by anyone | 19:13 |
| kanzure | and ofs is made by open knowledge foundation (the guys who run the open-science group in the uk) | 19:13 |
| kanzure | it looks like django has a nice "plug-and-play" file storage backend api thing, but why doesn't this exist outside of django in the python world? | 19:14 |
| nsh | good enough question | 19:20 |
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| kanzure | wb brownies | 20:12 |
| brownies | hello | 20:12 |
| brownies | tried to reset sleep schedule... fell asleep at 4pm. | 20:13 |
| ThomasEgi | past 5am here, about to fall asleep | 20:14 |
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| brownies | oh, whoa, it's a 3day weekend? | 20:18 |
| strangewarp | 9:20 PM.. about to go to bed. Unusual for me, since I have the stupidest sleep disorder ever | 20:19 |
| strangewarp | From my previous short experience with citicoline, it appeared to be normalizing my sleep disorder, but that might have been staistical noise | 20:20 |
| strangewarp | Nawgan drinks were on sale in town, and I've got a shipment of citicoline / alpha-GPC coming in a couple days, so bwa ha ha | 20:21 |
| brownies | no luck with the usual methods for normalizing your sleep schedule? | 20:21 |
| strangewarp | Melatonin: gave me bad dreams and man-tits and made me sleepy all day | 20:21 |
| strangewarp | Prescription sleeping pills: didn't work | 20:21 |
| strangewarp | Alarms: kept me off-kilter until I succumbed to napping, and the naps would last 10 hours | 20:22 |
| strangewarp | Polyphasic sleep: ahahahahaha | 20:22 |
| brownies | polyphasic sleep is... actually, yeah, your summary is spot-on. | 20:22 |
| brownies | strangewarp: how about fiddling with timing of blue light intake? | 20:23 |
| strangewarp | brownies: I'm going to look into buying a nice blue light if the citicoline doesn't normalize my sleep, yeah | 20:23 |
| brownies | word | 20:24 |
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| kanzure | "Like | 20:33 |
| kanzure | Be the first to like this pull request." | 20:33 |
| kanzure | wtf bitbucket :\ | 20:33 |
| kanzure | so i fixed one typo and for some reason the changeset shows >10 commits? | 20:35 |
| kanzure | https://bitbucket.org/lcrees/shove/pull-request/8/fix-typo-in-dbstore-docstring | 20:35 |
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| kanzure | blargh x1000 | 20:57 |
| kanzure | that "simple file storage engine" thing for python (shove) turns out to use pickle | 20:57 |
| kanzure | to write files :( | 20:57 |
| kanzure | and every time you render the url with ofs, it sends a call to s3 involving "bucket.set_canned_acl(acl_str, self.name, headers)" on that file? why would you need that to figure out a url? | 21:07 |
| kanzure | oh i see, it's a one-time use url. | 21:10 |
| kanzure | that makes slightly more sense. | 21:10 |
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| jrayhawk | ha ha your insistence upon using distributed storage for centralized querying brings you the level of pain you deserve | 21:50 |
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| archels | http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8lgtqKK0F1rs37pho1_500.jpg | 23:49 |
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