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| brownies | superkuh: hey man | 00:31 |
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| brownies | superkuh: i hear you know things about the weather | 00:31 |
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| Mokbortolan_1 | he's part of the weather underground | 00:48 |
| brownies | what a hipster | 01:04 |
| Mariu | who is ? | 01:05 |
| Mariu | Adam Savage ? | 01:05 |
| kanzure | what? | 01:14 |
| Mariu | sorry, tripping big time | 01:17 |
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| Mariu | =p | 01:17 |
| JayDugger | Have fun, Mariu, be safe, and don't worry about anything that can't wait until you come down. :) | 01:28 |
| Mariu | hey, JayDugger | 01:30 |
| Mariu | thanks | 01:30 |
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| superkuh | brownies, only space weather. | 06:13 |
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| kanzure | blah leafblowers | 08:30 |
| ThomasEgi | http://www.explosm.net/comics/1548/ | 08:32 |
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| kanzure | screw all this technology stuff.. i should start a death metal band called 'leafblower hatred' | 08:43 |
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| brownies | superkuh: where do you get your data from? | 09:42 |
| superkuh | A few places. I'm not actually doing any work with data, just mirroring and watching. i have a list at the top of the page, http://erewhon.superkuh.com/spaceweather/ . But the best list is in the perl files. | 09:43 |
| superkuh | http://erewhon.superkuh.com/spaceweather/spaceweather.pl . Sorry about the lack of organization. | 09:44 |
| brownies | superkuh: haha, wow... that's quite the organization scheme. this is useful, though. thanks. | 09:48 |
| brownies | well, i'm more interested in weather on the ground, but this is pretty interesting =P | 09:48 |
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| Mariu | weather inside nebulas ? | 09:49 |
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| skorket | hey all | 10:01 |
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| kanzure | yashgaroth: hi | 10:33 |
| yashgaroth | yo | 10:33 |
| kanzure | why do biologists hate computers? | 10:36 |
| yashgaroth | good question | 10:37 |
| kanzure | i'm pretty sure they do. | 10:37 |
| yashgaroth | oh they totally do | 10:37 |
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| yashgaroth | but...not particularly more than you'd expect | 10:38 |
| yashgaroth | until sequence analysis really took off, the only reason you'd use one was for doing paperwork | 10:39 |
| kanzure | we have communities around homebrewing beer and cottage cheese but not ecoli or pipette brands | 10:39 |
| kanzure | we have communities around wget but not taq? | 10:39 |
| yashgaroth | to be fair, those have either been done for hundreds of years or were created on a computer to begin with | 10:40 |
| yashgaroth | I did expect a little more forum activity in the field, though | 10:41 |
| kanzure | forums suck. most biologists are more likely to use email, i've found. but by "more likely" i mean "in the sense that they are less likely to use forums", not "they all want to use email to talk about their awesome strains" | 10:42 |
| kanzure | s/awesome/shitty | 10:42 |
| yashgaroth | 'novel' | 10:42 |
| kanzure | that's the word. | 10:43 |
| yashgaroth | but really, forums are entirely dead, aside from the once-a-month question from some random foreigner about how to do some technique | 10:44 |
| kanzure | yep | 10:44 |
| yashgaroth | and the occasional glowing cat query | 10:44 |
| kanzure | i think diybio is probably the most active biology resource on the net, which is retarded | 10:44 |
| yashgaroth | yyyyup | 10:45 |
| kanzure | except openwetware, except that's not person-to-person communication, and nobody remembers to use it | 10:45 |
| kanzure | so why hasn't a reagent provider just dumped money into advertising an online thing? | 10:46 |
| kanzure | or have they tried and failed that? | 10:46 |
| yashgaroth | thing as in what | 10:46 |
| yashgaroth | a community gathering place? | 10:46 |
| kanzure | probably a forum | 10:46 |
| yashgaroth | reagent providers don't give no fucks | 10:47 |
| kanzure | get 10 "advisors" (profs) to dedicate 1 post/month or year, and you're set. | 10:47 |
| kanzure | and be like, "free taq, bitches" | 10:47 |
| yashgaroth | and there's probably the risk it'd just be complaints about their products | 10:47 |
| kanzure | (bitches love free taq) | 10:48 |
| yashgaroth | if only the forum somehow had impact factor | 10:48 |
| yashgaroth | maybe they'd have to declare a financial interest to said supplier on their papers | 10:49 |
| kanzure | if the product is shitty, they deserve the crap on their forums | 10:50 |
| yashgaroth | true, but angry people are a lot louder than content ones, and compared to some other company's blank slate... | 10:51 |
| kanzure | "uservoice for reagent suppliers" (i hate myself) | 10:51 |
| kanzure | ((uservoice is well known for its douchebag maneuvers. it automatically deployed "user help" sites for different websites and then stole google juice, so basically the companies had to pay into the system to look like they were being responsive to their user's cries for support.)) | 10:52 |
| yashgaroth | usually there's a disconnect between the scientist and the suppliers, since all the ordering is handled through a lab manager | 10:54 |
| yashgaroth | and the fatalism that comes with bio means that even if reagent suppliers had a star rating system, it'd never be used | 10:54 |
| yashgaroth | 'oh it didn't work, probably my and/or biology's fault' | 10:55 |
| kanzure | i'd hate it if my thermocycler asked me to '"like" this reaction on facebook' | 10:55 |
| yashgaroth | gel imagers coming with a built-in instagram filter | 10:55 |
| kanzure | i think they already do :( | 10:56 |
| yashgaroth | 'omg your gel is so quirky' | 10:56 |
| kanzure | picsofbiologistslookingatgels.tumblr.com | 10:56 |
| kanzure | actually that could be a real thing. | 10:56 |
| yashgaroth | I'd contribute | 10:57 |
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| chris_99 | 'Molecular Biology of the Gene' doesn't seem to open unfourtunately | 11:15 |
| kanzure | oops i forgot to remove that | 11:20 |
| chris_99 | it's on tpb btw | 11:22 |
| yashgaroth | Molecular biology of the gene (Watson, Baker, Bell, Gann, Levine, Losick - 2004 - 5th ed. - Pearson), 109MB? that one? | 11:23 |
| chris_99 | yeah | 11:24 |
| yashgaroth | so what happens when you try to open it | 11:24 |
| chris_99 | no the one on diyhpl doesn't open i mean | 11:24 |
| chris_99 | i haven't got the one from tpb | 11:24 |
| yashgaroth | oh nm then | 11:24 |
| brownies | kanzure: wait what? | 11:34 |
| brownies | kanzure: i think you're thinking of GetSatisfaction, not UserVoice | 11:34 |
| kanzure | brownies: aren't they the same thing? | 11:36 |
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| brownies | kanzure: haha. no. | 11:42 |
| brownies | UserVoice is a pretty nice company, even if they are getting a little too corporate lately | 11:43 |
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| delinquentme | better options than i2c for inter-machine communication? | 12:58 |
| kanzure | python -m SimpleHTTPServer | 12:58 |
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| delinquentme | anyone done embedded programming with bit registers? | 13:37 |
| delinquentme | it seems like this example says to just ... package up 8 byte .. packets?? ( might be wrong term ) and just send them between chips and thats how they communicate? | 13:38 |
| delinquentme | or well ... how you program them | 13:38 |
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| ThomasEgi | delinquentme, SPI? | 13:57 |
| delinquentme | I2c is not full duplex huh? | 14:01 |
| chris_99b | SPI is full duplex | 14:01 |
| delinquentme | yeah it is :D | 14:01 |
| delinquentme | seems like this might be a better option | 14:01 |
| chris_99b | what are you trying to do though, are you trying to communicate over long / short distance | 14:02 |
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| delinquentme | chris_99, really short | 14:09 |
| delinquentme | well ... perhaps like no more than 10 feet | 14:09 |
| delinquentme | is that relatively short? | 14:09 |
| chris_99 | oh ok i guess SPI should be ok | 14:10 |
| kanzure | hey someone should record the ip addresses for all those libgen domains | 14:12 |
| kanzure | before the dns goes poof | 14:12 |
| chris_99 | libgen? | 14:12 |
| kanzure | oh that's right you use tpb | 14:12 |
| kanzure | chris_99: http://libgen.org/ | 14:12 |
| yashgaroth | redirects to google books? | 14:13 |
| kanzure | http://libgen.net/ then | 14:13 |
| chris_99 | ooh interesting site | 14:15 |
| delinquentme | chris_99, whats a distance on SPI that would be too far? | 14:19 |
| chris_99 | not sure you'd have to look it up, it depends what voltage levels it's using i guess | 14:20 |
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| kanzure | Partisan: hi | 15:26 |
| Partisan | hey kanzure | 15:29 |
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| kanzure | beep | 17:53 |
| nsh | b00p | 18:01 |
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| kanzure | AbstractSingletonProxyFactoryBean https://jira.springsource.org/browse/SPR-8680?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:worklog-tabpanel | 20:02 |
| kanzure | yeep. | 20:02 |
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| brownies | heh. i forgot about Beans. | 21:03 |
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| kanzure | nmyo | 21:04 |
| kanzure | roksprok_: how goes it? | 21:04 |
| roksprok_ | decently...though people were not lying about sf being covered in poop | 21:04 |
| roksprok_ | you? how goes microfluidics? | 21:05 |
| roksprok_ | ^^kanzure | 21:06 |
| kanzure | i'm not sure | 21:06 |
| kanzure | somewhere between "finding parts" and "buying parts" | 21:06 |
| brownies | it's covered in poop? | 21:07 |
| roksprok_ | btw the new header? welcome message? is very nice | 21:07 |
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| roksprok | brownies: yes...and i'm worried its human | 21:07 |
| roksprok | also! i was walking to work last week, and saw a homeless guy's penus | 21:07 |
| brownies | in SF? quite likely. | 21:07 |
| roksprok | penis? how do i not know how to spell that? | 21:08 |
| brownies | roksprok: which neighborhood? | 21:08 |
| roksprok | soma i think? corner of folsom and 4th, 2 blocks down from mission | 21:09 |
| roksprok | also temescal, but i kind of expected there to be poopy | 21:09 |
| brownies | how is folosm & 4th 2 blocks from the mission? o.O | 21:10 |
| roksprok | i mean don't get me wrong, its my favorite place i've ever lived, but... | 21:10 |
| brownies | but, yeah, i know where that is. that's soma. | 21:10 |
| roksprok | not the mission, mission street | 21:10 |
| brownies | ohhh. yeah. | 21:10 |
| brownies | actually you're on the poopier end of soma | 21:11 |
| brownies | luckily, i'm a bit further east | 21:11 |
| kanzure | roksprok: did you get a job? | 21:11 |
| roksprok | yea it seems to get a lot nicer quicker | 21:11 |
| roksprok | kanzure: no, just an internship | 21:11 |
| kanzure | are you being paid? | 21:12 |
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| roksprok | yea...not too much but livable | 21:12 |
| roksprok | and hourly so no benefits | 21:12 |
| brownies | good that you're getting paid | 21:12 |
| kanzure | hourly so no benefits? what?? | 21:12 |
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| roksprok | yes i'm very happy about being paid, don't think i could live out here without it | 21:13 |
| roksprok | kanzure: like i'm not a full time employee | 21:13 |
| kanzure | i'm pretty sure there are many people paid hourly who get benefits | 21:14 |
| roksprok | o i wasn't aware | 21:14 |
| roksprok | well...i am not one of them | 21:14 |
| roksprok | its over in two weeks anyway...then back to school and chicago winters | 21:16 |
| brownies | what're you working on? | 21:17 |
| roksprok | is there a list of diy lab equipment somewhere? | 21:17 |
| roksprok | like dremelfuge, but for everything? | 21:17 |
| kanzure | i have some git repos of lab equipment here: http://diyhpl.us/cgit/ | 21:17 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/faq/projects | 21:17 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/faq/equipment | 21:18 |
| yashgaroth | no computer system ever built can handle the sheer number of redundant openpcr clonesprojects | 21:18 |
| yashgaroth | * | 21:18 |
| kanzure | nah nobody has replicated openpcr.. they all want to build cheaper things | 21:18 |
| kanzure | how dare they! | 21:18 |
| roksprok | kanzure: cool nice wiki | 21:19 |
| yashgaroth | it's like a race to see who can build the shittiest possible machine with the least functionality and robustness | 21:19 |
| brownies | what's so bad about openpcr anyway? | 21:19 |
| yashgaroth | oh, nothing | 21:19 |
| kanzure | brownies: $600 for some wood, peltiers and chips | 21:19 |
| kanzure | really you can get a workable device for <$100 | 21:19 |
| yashgaroth | just that if all the myriad projects were instead one project, they might have something by now | 21:19 |
| kanzure | s/get/build | 21:19 |
| kanzure | yashgaroth: biologists hate working together | 21:19 |
| brownies | hm, so then why do people spend $600 on it? | 21:19 |
| kanzure | because it's cheaper than the $10,000 version | 21:20 |
| brownies | that does sound like a good reason | 21:20 |
| kanzure | you can pick up some cheapo stuff on ebay for $300-$6000 but that's always junk or might not work or from the 80s | 21:21 |
| roksprok | kanzure: isn't 600 dollars good enough though? like if you are really worried about the (600 - materials) isn't that a reflection of the benefit (or lack thereof) of a pcr machine to you? | 21:23 |
| kanzure | good enough for what? | 21:23 |
| roksprok | for people to worry about other things | 21:24 |
| roksprok | like...check that off the transhumanism roadmap and go on to the next thing | 21:24 |
| kanzure | the point is that $600 could probably outfit you with a bunch of other tools | 21:24 |
| kanzure | instead of just one tool that is useless on its own | 21:24 |
| kanzure | i'm not building a thermocycler, if that's what you're concerned about. | 21:25 |
| roksprok | well that is good...i suppose i should actually do projects of my own instead of worrying about other people's anyway | 21:28 |
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| HighSpeed | http://ouroboros.wordpress.com/2007/11/28/longer-living-through-chemistry-serotonin-signaling-and-cr-mimesis-in-the-worm/ | 23:34 |
| HighSpeed | anyone is taking mianserin/mirtazapine? | 23:34 |
| brownies | uh... any results from anything higher up the evolutionary chain? c elegans is a bit far | 23:37 |
| brownies | also they recently got the results from the CR monkey experiment (or chimps? or some primate) and they didn't find any increased longevity from CR there | 23:37 |
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| kanzure | new plan: | 23:48 |
| kanzure | buy university logins from students in bitcoins | 23:48 |
| kanzure | get access to papers | 23:48 |
| Mokstar | sounds good to me | 23:50 |
| Mokstar | my wife's a student! | 23:50 |
| joshcryer | I like it kanzure. | 23:50 |
| joshcryer | I had my brothers VPN for awhile there, was grabbing everything I could find. | 23:51 |
| kanzure | it would be particularly interesting if, say, 500 people on your account could fund your college expenses | 23:51 |
| kanzure | (maybe you're a really really avid reader) | 23:52 |
| Mokstar | subletting your journal access | 23:52 |
| Mokstar | I might be able to script it | 23:53 |
| kanzure | of course you could script it -_- | 23:53 |
| kanzure | that would be the whole point | 23:53 |
| * kanzure pokes paperbot | 23:53 | |
| Mokstar | so that you'd email an address a DOI number, and it would email it back to you | 23:53 |
| kanzure | well, no. | 23:53 |
| joshcryer | you would scrape the shit out of that shit man | 23:53 |
| kanzure | email is a bad idea because it's not highly anonymized | 23:54 |
| Mokstar | yeah, I can usually track down spammers | 23:54 |
| Mokstar | wait, no I can't | 23:54 |
| kanzure | Mokstar: the hush hush project in here is a 100% accurate copy of all science papers | 23:56 |
| kanzure | based on scraping all academic journals | 23:56 |
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