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| kanzure | brownies: what was wrong with knockout.js when you tried it? | 07:51 |
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| chris_99 | http://prometheusfusionperfection.com/ | 07:53 |
| archels | http://filer.case.edu/dts8/thelastq.htm | 08:06 |
| archels | oh man, very thought-provoking story, but what a shitty ending. | 08:06 |
| archels | Did anyone ever make it through Tipler's book? | 08:17 |
| archels | Have it on my shelf, never read it fully, not sure what to think of it. | 08:17 |
| kanzure | eat it | 08:27 |
| chris_99 | i got molecular biology of the cell today :) | 08:31 |
| chris_99 | apparently this works great for SMD work - http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Search/searchTerms/TOAST+OVEN.htm | 08:47 |
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| archels | Jesus fucking Christ, why would *anyone* use MatLab? | 09:41 |
| archels | Why am I using it, for that matter? :( | 09:41 |
| Urchin | it is a bit archaic | 09:42 |
| Urchin | large codebase though | 09:42 |
| archels | You would think the shitty performance, unresponsive GUI and shitty memory mangement might be offset by great debugging capabilities... | 09:42 |
| archels | but no. | 09:42 |
| * archels would be doing this in Python if there wasn't so much existing code to port | 09:43 | |
| Urchin | like I said, large codebase | 09:44 |
| Urchin | I was never fond of python for some reason | 09:45 |
| Urchin | not really sure why | 09:45 |
| chris_99 | what do you use Urchin | 09:45 |
| Urchin | not much lately | 09:45 |
| Urchin | I did most of my stuff in C | 09:46 |
| Urchin | some Fortran 90 | 09:46 |
| archels | C is beyond any form of criticism | 09:46 |
| Urchin | lisp to set up emacs | 09:46 |
| Urchin | C is great if you know what you're doing | 09:47 |
| chris_99 | C is pretty awesome | 09:47 |
| kanzure | archels: what code is there to port? | 09:48 |
| chris_99 | you could compile it to C archels and use that ;) | 09:49 |
| archels | kanzure, it's not worth doing it at this point in the project. I'll just have to live with these minor annoyances... | 09:50 |
| kanzure | you could write a wrapper in python | 09:51 |
| kanzure | and it sends everything off to matlab | 09:51 |
| kanzure | and then it spits out the result to you | 09:51 |
| archels | yes, I did that once, for something else | 09:51 |
| archels | I guess it avoids the GUI... but it's a little silly. | 09:52 |
| archels | Doesn't really solve anything. | 09:52 |
| kanzure | http://diyspartanbiotech.wordpress.com/2012/05/11/transforming-e-coli-with-pvib-plasmid/ | 09:52 |
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| kanzure | "I believe a critical component of igem technology revolves around t-shirt design skills." | 10:45 |
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| brownies | kanzure: hmmmm | 10:58 |
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| brownies | kanzure: oh, right, knockout is the one with the data-bindings and the magic auto-updating | 10:59 |
| brownies | kanzure: yeah, it's just too damn magical | 10:59 |
| brownies | it sounds nice, but you basically end up jumping through all these hoops just so you don't have to call (e.g. like you would in backbone) myView.render() | 11:00 |
| kanzure | so it's the views that you hated? | 11:02 |
| kanzure | was meteor the one with the weird event propagation? | 11:02 |
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| brownies | given that knockout is a view/template library, yes, that seems fair -_- | 11:07 |
| brownies | meteor is the dumb one that tries to have even more magic by automatically writing changes to teh server | 11:08 |
| kanzure | brownies: apparently hittail.com will write articles for you to match the keyboards you've found through them | 11:08 |
| kanzure | i think it's hilarious, but it makes sense because that's what you'd probably pay someone to do after you use them anyway.. | 11:08 |
| brownies | kanzure: not unreasonable | 11:08 |
| brownies | yeah, exactly | 11:08 |
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| kanzure | nmz787: so i'm looking at benchling.. | 11:28 |
| kanzure | its tagline is "GitHub of Biology" ... :/ | 11:28 |
| kanzure | i doubt they even implement git | 11:29 |
| kanzure | "Scientists build with DNA, just like programmers do with code. Major biotech companies account for 2% of the US GDP. Despite this value, there is no version control in life science." | 11:29 |
| kanzure | oh wait they actually say version control. maybe they do really mean git. | 11:29 |
| kanzure | hrmm. https://benchling.com/beta/ "Annotations, BLAST, plasmid maps, primer design, and more without leaving your browser." ok this just sounds like connor's thing.. | 11:31 |
| kanzure | i don't know how they expect to implement git in a browser. maybe they're using git.js? | 11:31 |
| kanzure | to be fair i'm probably the trifecta of their worst possible customer (someone who understands version control and plasmids and is critical of both) | 11:31 |
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| nmz787 | lol | 11:35 |
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| delinquentme | Oh shart. | 12:09 |
| delinquentme | jmil, I just emailed one of your guys there at hive 76 | 12:10 |
| kanzure | which one of hive76's guys is jmil's guy? | 12:10 |
| delinquentme | tell Chris Thompson i said " HOWDAR " | 12:10 |
| jmil | delinquentme: nice. what about? | 12:10 |
| delinquentme | someone there is building a lasersaur | 12:11 |
| delinquentme | So I had emailed about sourcing parts | 12:11 |
| delinquentme | buy from OSH owners == support OSH | 12:11 |
| chris_99 | how much does it cost to build one delinquentme | 12:18 |
| delinquentme | i dont remember the number | 12:19 |
| chris_99 | http://labs.nortd.com/lasersaur/bom-zero-suppliers-eur | 12:30 |
| chris_99 | http://labs.nortd.com/lasersaur/bom-zero-suppliers-usd | 12:30 |
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| chris_99 | this stuff is interesting http://www.fibrephotonics.com/page/143/High-Power-Polycrystalline-Infrared-HP-PIR-.htm | 12:34 |
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| nmz787 | hmm, that fiber is cool | 12:43 |
| chris_99 | attach that to a RepRap and your CO2 laser, bish-bash-bosh ;) | 12:44 |
| chris_99 | actually it'd be cheaper to buy a chinese laser cutter | 12:44 |
| chris_99 | the laser they use in the BOM is v. expensive | 12:51 |
| chris_99 | £1000 | 12:51 |
| nmz787 | how many watts | 12:53 |
| chris_99 | just 100 | 12:54 |
| chris_99 | i think you can get them on fleabay for £200 or so | 12:54 |
| chris_99 | but they may not be the same quality i guess | 12:54 |
| chris_99 | oh i stand corrected | 12:57 |
| chris_99 | they're more like £500 | 12:57 |
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| kanzure | kingjacob_: having some trouble? :P | 13:58 |
| Mariu | =] | 13:58 |
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| chris_99 | nmz787, did you see that spectrino thing btw | 14:14 |
| loanshark | hurro | 14:15 |
| chris_99 | hello | 14:15 |
| loanshark | :3 | 14:15 |
| chris_99 | read any books recently loanshark? | 14:16 |
| chris_99 | i just got the cell book :) | 14:16 |
| loanshark | chris_99: i have been incredibly busy at work so no | 14:17 |
| loanshark | my Kindle does not read PDF's otherwise i would be reading text books, but alas i do not have 50-60 dollars to spend on a textbook in the amazon store. | 14:18 |
| chris_99 | weird, thought the kindle supported pdfs | 14:18 |
| loanshark | currently reading a book on basic economics - have to decide what college courses I will take next semester | 14:18 |
| loanshark | chris_99: i have an older kindle | 14:19 |
| chris_99 | ah darn | 14:19 |
| Mariu | get a Samsung Galaxy pad | 14:19 |
| chris_99 | that's not eink though is it | 14:19 |
| loanshark | uhh | 14:20 |
| loanshark | O.o $510 | 14:20 |
| loanshark | my kindle is eink | 14:20 |
| chris_99 | yeah that's why i like the idea of the kindle | 14:20 |
| chris_99 | http://www.solidoodle.com/ seems pretty cool, not open source though afaik | 14:21 |
| loanshark | $99 is hard to beat xD who needs color when all you are reading is books? | 14:21 |
| loanshark | although colorful diagrams in textbooks are helpful | 14:21 |
| chris_99 | yeah colour eink will be sweet | 14:22 |
| loanshark | chris_99: is that possible? | 14:22 |
| chris_99 | yeah theres been prototypes | 14:23 |
| loanshark | http://www.eink.com/display_products_triton.html | 14:23 |
| loanshark | you can buy the jet book, which has tritons imaging film - essentially color sink, but its $500 | 14:25 |
| chris_99 | sounds interesting | 14:27 |
| loanshark | 10,000 page turns on a single charge | 14:28 |
| loanshark | XD | 14:28 |
| loanshark | its worth the money i guess, but i bet in a year or two it will be $100 | 14:28 |
| chris_99 | yeah | 14:29 |
| strangewarp | First day on a noopept/citicoline/alpha-GPC cocktail. | 14:32 |
| strangewarp | Very distinct improvement. | 14:32 |
| loanshark | strangewarp: whats that? | 14:34 |
| strangewarp | nootropics, natch | 14:34 |
| loanshark | improves… brain? | 14:35 |
| loanshark | xD | 14:35 |
| strangewarp | Noopept is an ultra-potent relative of piracetam; citicoline is another sort of nootropic that's new and patented; alpha-GPC is a form of choline that allows for more efficient absorption than choline citrate or CDP-choline. | 14:35 |
| strangewarp | In general, nootropics improve mental abilities, and mood. | 14:35 |
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| loanshark | interesting. what do you notice is different? | 14:36 |
| HighSpeed | so um | 14:38 |
| HighSpeed | guiz | 14:38 |
| HighSpeed | we have a nootropic chat here on freenode | 14:38 |
| HighSpeed | #reddit-nootropics | 14:38 |
| loanshark | cool | 14:39 |
| strangewarp | meh, reddit... | 14:40 |
| HighSpeed | why? its pretty good | 14:40 |
| HighSpeed | the premier BLTC freenode chat | 14:40 |
| strangewarp | loanshark: I'm feeling very calm and focused, and self-confident, which is very different from how I usually am | 14:42 |
| strangewarp | We'll see how it affects my productivity.. | 14:42 |
| loanshark | interesting | 14:43 |
| loanshark | I am on anti-depressants… would this have adverse affects with nootropics? | 14:43 |
| strangewarp | Maybe. I am not a doctor | 14:43 |
| loanshark | ok | 14:45 |
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| sylph_mako | HighSpeed, why is it named after reddit? It's not reddit. It's an IRC channel. | 15:16 |
| sylph_mako | If you think the imported redditers will confer some special property, I think you'll be disappointed. | 15:17 |
| archels | drama? | 15:17 |
| * archels runs | 15:17 | |
| Mariu | =] | 15:18 |
| * sylph_mako sprays anti-hysteria aerosol in archels' wake. | 15:19 | |
| HighSpeed | sylph_mako: nah i dont even go on reddit lol | 15:20 |
| HighSpeed | just happens to be a nootropics chat | 15:20 |
| Urchin | probably started by redditers, so why not? | 15:21 |
| Mokbortolan_1 | huh what? | 15:21 |
| Mokbortolan_1 | yeah, I run that room | 15:21 |
| sylph_mako | so why the name. | 15:22 |
| Urchin | imminst's nootropics forums were good last time I've checked | 15:22 |
| Mokbortolan_1 | it's officially associated with /r/nootropics | 15:22 |
| Mokbortolan_1 | there's a link on the sidebar | 15:22 |
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| kanzure | i need a machine to be invented that punches programmers in the face every time they try to vaildate an email address with a regular expression | 18:19 |
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| ThomasEgi | the famous "punch people over tcp ip"? | 18:28 |
| kanzure | is that a feature? i haven't checked the standards. | 18:29 |
| ParahSailin_ | im sure regex _could_ validate email addresses | 18:30 |
| kanzure | ParahSailin_: there's this super-long regular expression that jrayhawk likes to link to that is supposed to be correct | 18:31 |
| kanzure | but it's a few hundred kilobytes i think | 18:31 |
| ParahSailin_ | yeah, there's a similar huge regex for html | 18:31 |
| kanzure | don't do it | 18:31 |
| kanzure | or else i will tcpunch yuo | 18:31 |
| ParahSailin_ | its pretty much write-only | 18:31 |
| ParahSailin_ | http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2822#section-3.4.1 | 18:33 |
| kanzure | ParahSailin_: what would make biologists hate computers less? | 18:34 |
| ParahSailin_ | hard ai? | 18:34 |
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| kanzure | well, it's odd because they certainly don't lack dedication or attention.. if they can spend hours reading a paper, they can spend a few minutes figuring out a website or something | 18:36 |
| kanzure | hm https://github.com/cathalgarvey/biohacking-protocols | 18:37 |
| kanzure | "cathalgarvey authored 10 hours ago" | 18:37 |
| kanzure | "Low-overhead, highly explicit protocols in Markdown format for Biohacking" | 18:37 |
| jrayhawk | i think scientists are explorers and resent being constrained to a problemspace | 18:38 |
| jrayhawk | they like finding new problemspaces | 18:38 |
| kanzure | streety: you sound like the sort of person who would be able to tell me a reference to someone who has studied this | 18:39 |
| jrayhawk | the web is made by a phycisist | 18:39 |
| jrayhawk | it shows | 18:39 |
| jrayhawk | physicist | 18:39 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: i want to include https://github.com/cathalgarvey/biohacking-protocols stuff in diyhpluswiki.git | 18:39 |
| kanzure | will a submodule render with ikiwiki? | 18:40 |
| streety | reference for what? | 18:40 |
| kanzure | streety: someone who has studied the general hatred biologists harbor for computers | 18:40 |
| jrayhawk | no, no useful or interesting integration with submodules has been done | 18:41 |
| streety | lol, I'm not sure I've seen that phenomenon but then I've spent most of my time on the more chemical side of biology | 18:42 |
| jrayhawk | we can do some hacks to make it work as a submodule, but it'd probably be easier to just have it as a separate repository | 18:42 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: okay. | 18:44 |
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| kanzure | remote: skipping bad filename E.coli Transformation With PEG+MgSO4.md | 18:46 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: doh.. spaces in filenames. | 18:46 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/cathal-biohacking-protocols/E.coli%20Transformation%20With%20PEG%20MgSO4 | 18:46 |
| jrayhawk | echo '$conf->{"wiki_file_chars"} = "-[:alnum:]+/.:_ "' > /etc/ikiwiki/piny/cathal-biohacking-protocols.setup.pl; rebuildrepo cathal-biohacking-protocols | 18:55 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: is the share alike thing good? | 19:02 |
| kanzure | yes | 19:03 |
| nmz787 | anyone use this http://windows.github.com/ | 19:05 |
| kanzure | no. | 19:08 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: wasn't asking /you/ | 19:12 |
| nmz787 | :P | 19:12 |
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| nmz787 | this looks interesting http://www.horizonsnyc.org/site/speakers/ | 21:31 |
| kanzure | kingjacob: hi | 21:32 |
| nmz787 | i've actually thought that you should be able to RF tune a designer psychedelic-type molecule to feed video in and get neural output out | 21:32 |
| nmz787 | eliminating through-skin ports | 21:32 |
| nmz787 | since it seems psychedelics already hit the sensory and a/v parts of the brain | 21:33 |
| kingjacob | I could see building a RF activated psychedelic being possible | 21:39 |
| kingjacob | any ideas how you'd get more than a bit through? | 21:40 |
| nmz787 | I've got a ton of PDFs on radio waves and their molecular action... but mostly it says molecules rotate and cause heating | 21:41 |
| kanzure | how about a magneto-optical receptor switch thing | 21:41 |
| nmz787 | I think kanzure would have some ideas about spatial resolution in bit banging gadgets that exist | 21:42 |
| nmz787 | isn't there some way to use 2 beams? | 21:42 |
| nmz787 | or maybe you'd need a mix of different molecules | 21:42 |
| kanzure | well, you can use a phased array of multiple beams if you want the effect to be additive at some location | 21:42 |
| nmz787 | each type representing a different freq channel | 21:43 |
| * kanzure is bullshitting | 21:43 | |
| kanzure | nmz787: you're familiar with anselm's work right? | 21:43 |
| nmz787 | and each targeting a different visual neuron type | 21:43 |
| nmz787 | no | 21:43 |
| kanzure | like http://anselmlevskaya.com/publications/Nature%202009%20Levskaya.pdf | 21:43 |
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| nmz787 | kanzure: but optical/freqs that high don't penetrate the body very well | 21:46 |
| kanzure | i think he had mice with physical glass windows in the skull | 21:46 |
| nmz787 | other than the pit viper IR detectors, there isn't any receptor with lower freq sensitivity | 21:46 |
| kanzure | (because fuck skulls) | 21:46 |
| nmz787 | heh | 21:47 |
| nmz787 | yeah | 21:47 |
| nmz787 | i can't do that to myself | 21:47 |
| nmz787 | yeah I tried finding info on other freqs when I was all gung-ho about finding some proof of telelpathy type stuff | 21:49 |
| nmz787 | but I really didn't find anything below light and heat IR | 21:50 |
| nmz787 | ears don't count because its physical waves, not EM | 21:50 |
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| kingjacob | you wouldn't need to do an implant | 21:50 |
| kingjacob | just pair it with a system on the surface | 21:51 |
| nmz787 | right | 21:51 |
| nmz787 | but how to get spatial respones from the nerve bundle | 21:51 |
| nmz787 | say we know the drug is there, around all the cells | 21:51 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: wtf are phased arrays | 21:51 |
| kanzure | "We have determined that the best way to implement telepathy is to strap a 2.9 GeV particle accelerator to your head. Naturally, you can't ever move, but you do get electrons blasted into your brain which is pretty cool. Also deadly." | 21:52 |
| kanzure | oh i just meant for stimulation | 21:52 |
| kanzure | like http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/ultrasound/500-element%20ultrasound%20phased%20array%20system%20for%20noninvasive%20focal%20surgery%20of%20the%20brain%20-%20A%20preliminary%20rabbit%20study%20with%20ex%20vivo%20human%20skulls.pdf | 21:52 |
| kanzure | photo is on page 2 | 21:53 |
| nsh- | so | 21:53 |
| nsh- | at the risk of one or more of us sounding stupid | 21:54 |
| nmz787 | I wish we lived in an era where people could still sell good cure-alls | 21:54 |
| nmz787 | this seems appropriate http://www.springerlink.com/content/v2175688r1w4862x/fulltext.pdf | 21:54 |
| nsh- | isn't there already a pretty tried and tested method of getting data from optical wavelengths into the brain? | 21:54 |
| nsh- | with reasonably high bandwidth | 21:54 |
| nsh- | why do people think they're achiving something miraculous by bypassing sensory organs? | 21:54 |
| nsh- | that's pretty ridiculous way of going about augmentation | 21:54 |
| nmz787 | well the eyes are for input, but you can't output | 21:55 |
| nsh- | sure you can | 21:55 |
| nsh- | have you ever looked someone in the eyes? | 21:55 |
| nmz787 | sure | 21:55 |
| nsh- | the entire region around them acts as pretty good transmitter | 21:55 |
| nmz787 | I | 21:55 |
| nmz787 | I | 21:55 |
| nmz787 | I'd rather have neural to electrical adapter | 21:56 |
| nmz787 | or electronic | 21:56 |
| nsh- | that's because you think silicon is advanced technology | 21:57 |
| nmz787 | well no, I just think faster than i can move my muscles | 21:57 |
| nsh- | prove it | 21:58 |
| nmz787 | so my output is pretty limited | 21:58 |
| nmz787 | not sure how to do that, since you can't hear my thoughts | 21:58 |
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| kingjacob | it took me less than a second to think up this sentence but almost 10 seconds to type it | 21:59 |
| nsh- | sure, there's a bottle neck | 21:59 |
| nsh- | but are you sure about the veracity of the timeline? | 21:59 |
| nmz787 | what do you mean? | 22:00 |
| nsh- | you percieve the creation of the sentence as being instantaneous, almost | 22:00 |
| nsh- | but is that necessary an accurate reflection of internal process, or a presentation layer to consciousness? | 22:00 |
| nsh- | i don't doubt that we think quicker than we can talk/type | 22:00 |
| nsh- | but the thought evolves as we do so | 22:00 |
| nmz787 | i've heard some people don't have an internal monologue | 22:00 |
| nmz787 | but some do | 22:01 |
| nmz787 | if that means anything | 22:01 |
| * nsh- doesn't percieve a monologue | 22:01 | |
| nsh- | i am only aware of words when working with them | 22:01 |
| * Mokbortolan_1 takes a shot of jaegeracetam. | 22:01 | |
| nmz787 | sure it evolves as we do, but maybe if I had faster I/O I would learn to hold my tongue, so to speak, before outputting | 22:02 |
| nmz787 | i often have music looping in my head | 22:02 |
| nmz787 | it used to get quite annoying as a kid, i remember | 22:02 |
| nmz787 | but not so much anymore | 22:02 |
| strangewarp | I've always had a pretty powerful internal monologue; when I was a child I had to work for a few years to suppress the urge to whisper it to myself. Nowadays it alternates between subvocalization and regular thoughts | 22:03 |
| nmz787 | I have monologues about some things, but it isn't necessary for all actions | 22:05 |
| nmz787 | like painting for instance, i wouldn't tell myself 'up, down, up, down' | 22:05 |
| nmz787 | but for counting money, i would be like '20, 40, 60, 80, 100, and 50 cents', etc... | 22:05 |
| strangewarp | Well yeah, painting is the interaction of physical objects, so it would be a second-order command if you were saying the names of directions to yourself... | 22:06 |
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| kanzure | kingjacob: maybe it takes you too long to type things because you're slow? | 22:08 |
| kanzure | www.seanwrona.com/typeracer/profile.php?username=kanzure | 22:08 |
| kanzure | erm.. i meant http://www.seanwrona.com/typeracer/profile.php?username=kanzure | 22:08 |
| kingjacob | kanzure: that's probably 10% of it | 22:09 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: why waste the ATP on muscle contractions though? | 22:09 |
| nmz787 | and then you get typers wrist or whatever that is | 22:09 |
| kanzure | nmz787: because i don't have anything else working | 22:10 |
| nmz787 | but do you want better? | 22:10 |
| kanzure | of course | 22:10 |
| nmz787 | actually i think the permittance changes with EM frequency | 22:13 |
| nmz787 | if so, maybe you just need to adjust the frequency to get depth | 22:13 |
| kingjacob | do yall remember the name of th paper where they got video out of the brain? | 22:14 |
| kanzure | kingjacob: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/Reconstruction%20of%20natural%20scenes%20from%20ensemble%20responses%20in%20cat%20visual%20cortex%20-%20Stanley%20-%201999.pdf | 22:15 |
| nmz787 | 1999 | 22:19 |
| nmz787 | I saw something recently | 22:19 |
| brownies | are you multilingual nmz787 ? | 22:19 |
| nmz787 | a bit | 22:20 |
| nmz787 | I picked up Thai pretty quickly, grammar was bashed horribly but I knew numbers and foods well, directions... and started picking up the symbols too | 22:20 |
| nmz787 | my girlfriend speaks bengali and hindi and I've been hanging around indians for about 4 years | 22:21 |
| kanzure | i am also skilled in the binary language of moisture vaporators | 22:21 |
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| nmz787 | kanzure: so how many electrodes in that paper? | 22:21 |
| kanzure | they probably used a utah array of <100 electrodes | 22:22 |
| nmz787 | looks like 7 | 22:22 |
| nmz787 | Neighboring geniculate cells were recorded with a multielectrode array | 22:22 |
| nmz787 | (Eckhorn and Thomas, 1993). The array allows seven fiber electrodes to | 22:22 |
| nmz787 | be positioned independently with a vertical accuracy of 1 mm. We used a | 22:22 |
| nmz787 | glass guide tube to restrict the lateral scattering of the electrodes in the | 22:22 |
| nmz787 | array. The inner diameter at the tip of the guide tube was ,400 mm. All | 22:22 |
| nmz787 | recordings were made in layer A or A1 of the LGN. | 22:22 |
| nmz787 | Recorded signals were amplified, filtered, and passed to a personal | 22:22 |
| nmz787 | computer (PC) running Datawave (Broomfield, CO) Discovery software. | 22:22 |
| nmz787 | The system accepts inputs from up to eight single electrodes. Up to eight | 22:22 |
| nmz787 | different waveforms can be discriminated on a single electrode, but two | 22:22 |
| nmz787 | or three is a more realistic limit. The waveforms were saved on disk. | 22:22 |
| nmz787 | Spike isolation was based on cluster analysis of waveforms, and the | 22:22 |
| nmz787 | Neighboring geniculate cells were recorded with a multielectrode array (Eckhorn and Thomas, 1993). The array allows seven fiber electrodes to be positioned independently with a vertical accuracy of 1 mm. We used a glass guide tube to restrict the lateral scattering of the electrodes in the array. The inner diameter at the tip of the guide tube was ,400 mm. All recordings were made in layer A or A1 of the LGN. Recorded signals were amp | 22:23 |
| nmz787 | fractory period, which is reflected in the shape of | 22:23 |
| nmz787 | autocorrelations | 22:23 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: do you understand the coding they talk about? | 22:24 |
| nmz787 | or de-coding? | 22:24 |
| kanzure | uh, i've done some basic neural ensemble coding software stuff | 22:24 |
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| kanzure | the visual system is pretty well understood at this point | 22:24 |
| nmz787 | so it looks like they moved the fiber with the 7 channels around | 22:24 |
| nmz787 | to sample abou 177 cells | 22:25 |
| nmz787 | so I guess they sortof did a sweep | 22:25 |
| kanzure | yeah i guess they replayed the video multiple times | 22:25 |
| kanzure | and just sampled at different times | 22:25 |
| nmz787 | so can you tell an idiot what the visual protocol is? | 22:25 |
| kingjacob | here's the more recent one http://www.cell.com/current-biology/abstract/S0960-9822%2811%2900937-7 | 22:25 |
| kanzure | no there's lots of different encoding things going on | 22:26 |
| kanzure | topographica is some open source software to simulate some of it | 22:26 |
| nmz787 | here's a good review http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/biological%20radio%20research/Quantitative%20Evaluations%20of%20Mechanisms%20of%20Radiofrequency%20Interactions%20With%20Biological%20Molecules%20and%20Processes.pdf | 22:28 |
| nmz787 | on RF + biology | 22:28 |
| nmz787 | I read somewhere that medium frequency EM is essentially quiet in the universe, so that's probably why we never developed sensors for it | 22:29 |
| nmz787 | " | 22:31 |
| nmz787 | Biochemical reaction yields can be changed by both static and RF magnetic fields that alter the number of spin-coupled radical pairs that recombine. Several distinct mechanisms exist to explain radical pair recombination effects that occur with static and RF magnetic fields over the range from millitesla to microtesla levels. Radical pair mechanisms depend on the magnetic properties of the nuclei comprising the spin-coupled radical pai | 22:31 |
| nmz787 | " | 22:31 |
| nmz787 | "The question arises as to whether absorption of multiple RF photons in the GHz range can excite low-lying absorption modes in biological molecules such as the mode at 184 GHz (6 cm^-1) calculated for myoglobin by Rai and colleagues (Rai et al. 2003) Prohofsky 2004). In principle, multiple photon processes could upshift incident energy to a region where resonant interactions are known to occur. In general, multiphoton absorption requir | 22:34 |
| nmz787 | " | 22:34 |
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| marainein | does this imply magnetic fields (like MRI machines) can damage organisms? | 22:53 |
| nmz787 | not really, unless it heats you up too much in some area | 22:58 |
| nmz787 | or it hits some apoptosis RF receptor we don't know about | 22:58 |
| nmz787 | http://www.foxnews.com/health/2012/09/05/colorado-girl-recovering-from-bubonic-plague/?utm_source=BNT+September+6%2C+2012&utm_campaign=BNT090612&utm_medium=email | 23:03 |
| nmz787 | "Sierra Jane's life got the first inkling that she had bubonic plague. Dr. Jennifer Snow suspected the disease based on the girl's symptoms, a history of where she'd been, and an online journal's article on a teen with similar symptoms." | 23:03 |
| nmz787 | hell yeah internets | 23:03 |
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| skorket | nmz787: http://imgur.com/haQoe | 23:55 |
| skorket | not there yet, but getting closer | 23:55 |
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