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| Mokstar | jrayhawk: damn you! | 03:11 |
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| * Mokstar finally got around to watching the last bit of that talk, and discovered that he shouldn't be eating peanuts, which means no peanut butter. | 03:11 | |
| strangewarp | oh god, what's wrong with my beloved peanuts? | 03:14 |
| Mokstar | just forget I said anything, improved health is not worth the loss of peanut butter | 03:15 |
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| brownies | no peanuts? | 03:40 |
| brownies | hmm... well, given the lack of response, i'll just double down on Nutella instead. | 03:40 |
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| archels | Mokstar: URL? I start the day each day with a peanut butter sandwich... :\ | 04:20 |
| Mokstar | I was just watching a bit of a talk on the biochemistry behind the paleo diet, at least, the biochemistry behind why legumes are bad | 04:23 |
| Mokstar | rather than prattle off a bunch of long words I just learned, lemme see if I can find a link... | 04:23 |
| Mokstar | at least, something that doesn't reek of crackpot | 04:23 |
| archels | legumes are bad?! | 04:24 |
| archels | oh, I feel rather stupid now, not knowing that peanuts are legumes. | 04:25 |
| Mokstar | it seems they'd rather us not eat them | 04:26 |
| Mokstar | and they reinforce this by including various poisons in them | 04:26 |
| Mokstar | true, we can in fact consume them, and survive for extended periods, but not without certain costs | 04:26 |
| Mokstar | but, this is stuff I'm just learning, and I'd like to not sound like someone who learns something and then immediately runs around spouting it off | 04:27 |
| archels | Would be very interested in following up on any non-crackpot links. | 04:27 |
| Mokstar | something to do with lectin and trypsin inhibitors | 04:32 |
| brownies | legumes are bad?! | 04:37 |
| chris_99 | Mokstar, linky? | 04:40 |
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| brownies | this is how he rolls | 04:58 |
| brownies | he just comes in, badmouths various legumes, and then vanishes | 04:58 |
| Mokstar1 | pretty much | 04:58 |
| Mokstar1 | you want *evidence*? | 04:58 |
| brownies | haha. yes! | 04:58 |
| Mokstar1 | who needs evidence, we're talking about diet here! | 04:58 |
| brownies | "science" | 04:58 |
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| chris_99 | heh, what Mokstar1?!!! | 05:01 |
| Mokstar1 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lectin#Toxicity | 05:03 |
| Mokstar1 | I'm just reading about the case against legumes in general in the context of "the paleo diet" | 05:05 |
| Mokstar1 | not really trying to make a case, just grousing about what I'm reading :) | 05:05 |
| brownies | "may be harmful if consumed in excess in uncooked or improperly cooked form." | 05:05 |
| chris_99 | i was just about to paste that heh | 05:05 |
| chris_99 | Mokstar1, you know the same is true of water | 05:06 |
| Mokstar1 | I ead it's implicated in nearly 100% of drownings | 05:06 |
| Mokstar1 | also found in every tumor sample ever tested | 05:06 |
| Mokstar1 | but, to be logical, just because water is dangerous if consumed in excess does not make peanuts "safe" when consumed in moderation | 05:07 |
| Mokstar1 | they're unrelated really, in fact I'm not sure why you brought that up | 05:08 |
| chris_99 | heh | 05:08 |
| Mokstar1 | I'm sure that's a named fallacy | 05:09 |
| Mokstar1 | misattribution? | 05:09 |
| brownies | well, peanuts are, you know, edible | 05:09 |
| Mokstar1 | I'd never make the case that they were inedible | 05:09 |
| Mokstar1 | in fact, I'd boldly make the case that they are f*cking delicious | 05:09 |
| brownies | so unless you have proof that peanuts are *un* safe in moderation... i'm stickin' with my sandwiches. | 05:09 |
| brownies | well, more than that, people seem to have been munching on peanuts for thousands of years and doing just fine. | 05:10 |
| Mokstar1 | accepted, but the context of the discussion in which I'm encountering this information has more to do with "peak performance" or somesuch | 05:11 |
| brownies | that's fair. but i still don't see any evidence that they degrade performance either. | 05:11 |
| Mokstar1 | you can feed rats GM corn, and they will survive and breed, but they will also grow tennis-ball sized tumors at a slightly higher rate than rats that eat non-GM corn | 05:11 |
| brownies | this seems to only be concerned with the genetically inferior among us http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peanut#Health_concerns | 05:11 |
| Mokstar1 | don't judge me! I didn't ask for allergies! | 05:12 |
| * Mokstar1 sneezes on brownies. | 05:13 | |
| Mokstar1 | I certainly hope you are eating organic peanut butter | 05:13 |
| Mokstar1 | preferably grown on the west coast | 05:13 |
| * Mokstar1 buys it by the 3-gal pail. | 05:14 | |
| brownies | heh | 05:32 |
| brownies | yeah, i always buy the hippie organic free-range cage-free omega-3 peanut-butter | 05:33 |
| brownies | the sort that always separates out a nice oily layer on top | 05:33 |
| brownies | though i do have a nostalgic weakness for the classic American mass-produced peanut butter too | 05:33 |
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| Mokstar1 | emulsifiers FTW! | 05:34 |
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| skorket | hey kanzure, DIY vitamin D testing? | 06:22 |
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| @kanzure | hmm. | 08:10 |
| jrayhawk | "may be harmful if consumed in excess in uncooked or improperly cooked form." PNA is heat-stable and permeates the gut barrier. | 08:13 |
| jrayhawk | There is no 'moderate' amount to consume. | 08:14 |
| @kanzure | craaap | 08:15 |
| @kanzure | github! | 08:15 |
| @kanzure | so i copied the node.js repository and filter-branched it to rewrite it in my name | 08:15 |
| @kanzure | naturally, github linked up all of the commits that referenced issues to the official node.js repository | 08:16 |
| @kanzure | https://github.com/isaacs/node-graceful-fs/issues/6#commit-ref-eae1d21 | 08:16 |
| @kanzure | so apparently i spammed the entire node.js project | 08:16 |
| jrayhawk | Can you overwrite that branch? does github ever GC? | 08:17 |
| @kanzure | i deleted the repository with the commits rewritten in my name | 08:17 |
| jrayhawk | i wonder if that makes it more or less likely to GC | 08:18 |
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| @kanzure | welp, i've sent a request to github support. may the gods have mercy on my soul. | 08:29 |
| @kanzure | may the gods have mercy on my version controlled soul. | 08:29 |
| jrayhawk | Obviously you should be doing this on Piny. | 08:30 |
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| @kanzure | jrayhawk: well, the idea was to use it as a way to filter out recruiters who think i am the author of nodejs | 08:34 |
| @kanzure | and those recruiters only use github, not piny. | 08:34 |
| jrayhawk | i should make a repository index, but that sounds like work | 08:35 |
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| @kanzure | i thought that's what cgit is? | 08:37 |
| @kanzure | hey uh can you throw more space on fairlystable? i'm hitting the on button in the next few days | 08:37 |
| jrayhawk | How much do you want | 08:37 |
| @kanzure | how much is convenient? | 08:38 |
| jrayhawk | Eh, I'll give you another 90 gigs and let the filesystem monitor bug me about more | 08:39 |
| @kanzure | cool thanks | 08:39 |
| jrayhawk | done | 08:40 |
| @kanzure | bah last time you made it out to be some big deal? | 08:41 |
| jrayhawk | Well, last time it was a big deal, so I asked you to give me some warning so I could install new drives. | 08:42 |
| jrayhawk | And you did. | 08:42 |
| jrayhawk | And I did. | 08:42 |
| @kanzure | ah the system works | 08:42 |
| jrayhawk | at least marginally! | 08:43 |
| jrayhawk | http://www.omgwallhack.org/home/jrayhawk/img/hovel/100_2536.JPG also it forced me to finally find a good means of organizing and storing my harddrives | 08:54 |
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| audy | jrayhawk wow | 09:18 |
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| Mokstar | jrayhawk: damn you and your facts! | 10:33 |
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| jrayhawk | If it makes you feel better, the immunological case against PNA is still fairly weak and circumstancial. | 10:34 |
| jrayhawk | but eliminating it seems to work real well | 10:35 |
| @kanzure | nanowrimo is so pathetic | 10:37 |
| @kanzure | "Do you have that next GREAT novel in your head?" | 10:38 |
| @kanzure | "Have you ever felt challenged to write 1000 words a DAY?" | 10:38 |
| brownies | kanzure: maybe spammers will try to recruit you now | 10:38 |
| @kanzure | 1000 words? i think i type 20000 a day. on average. | 10:38 |
| brownies | sure, but most of them are gibberish | 10:38 |
| @kanzure | :) | 10:38 |
| @kanzure | brownies: well, i emailed github support, hopefully they will fix my spam problem | 10:38 |
| @kanzure | i'm getting email notifications from all of the support tickets ever | 10:39 |
| @kanzure | i completely regret this | 10:39 |
| brownies | too bad you deleted the repo already | 10:45 |
| brownies | otherwise you should've posted it as a Show HN ... "I made a realtime web framework in JS for backend code" | 10:45 |
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| BioGuy | I was just scrolling back through the buffer and saw your discussion about github? Do you know of any books/resources on how open source communities and meritocracy works? | 12:22 |
| @kanzure | most of the books i've seen on that tend to suck, they rarely tell you how to use the tools. | 12:22 |
| @kanzure | if you want a "cultural" look, maybe read 'two bits' maybe. | 12:23 |
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| Urchin | Eric Raymond's articles are good for the cultural view | 12:24 |
| brownies | *a cultural view | 12:24 |
| @kanzure | http://twobits.net/pub/Kelty-TwoBits.pdf | 12:25 |
| @kanzure | BioGuy: you might also enjoy http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/diybio/biopunk.pdf | 12:26 |
| BioGuy | Ya I'm more interested in how the communities actually function in a way that anyone can contribute, yet some how everything is kept clean and the best ideas flourish. I figure I can teach myself how to use the tools, but what I'm more interested in is how you can allow anyone to contribute to a project without it devolving into somekind of anarchy | 12:28 |
| BioGuy | Thanks for the links! | 12:28 |
| @kanzure | oh that's easy, i just reject all the crap that sucks | 12:29 |
| @kanzure | or, there are requirements that have to be followed | 12:30 |
| @kanzure | https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/Documentation/SubmittingPatches | 12:30 |
| BioGuy | Is that the entire biopunk book? | 12:31 |
| @kanzure | yes | 12:31 |
| BioGuy | Wow! Thanks. I've been wanting to get it but a lot of other things have been eating up the small amount of money I have :-) | 12:32 |
| jrayhawk | Benjamin Mako Hill and Biella Coleman wrote a thing http://mako.cc/writing/coleman_hill-social_production.pdf | 12:37 |
| jrayhawk | Benjamin Mako Hill is pretty good in general at connecting philosophy and practicality | 12:38 |
| @kanzure | "The philosophy of submitting diff output as email attachments" | 12:39 |
| @kanzure | don't think it works like that | 12:39 |
| jrayhawk | http://blog.iese.edu/ferraro/files/2012/01/091215-Chapter-18-Ferraro-OMahony.pdf http://blog.iese.edu/ferraro/files/2011/05/The-emergence-of-governance-in-an-open-source-community.pdf | 12:39 |
| @kanzure | also other things here | 12:41 |
| @kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/open-source/ | 12:41 |
| jrayhawk | oh right | 12:42 |
| @kanzure | hrm? | 12:42 |
| jrayhawk | i should've expected you to have hoarded a collection of those | 12:43 |
| @kanzure | "including 45 audiotaped developer life histories" hah | 12:44 |
| BioGuy | Bookmarked! Thanks you guys | 12:47 |
| BioGuy | Kanzure I forgot now, who did you say the people were in the portland area? | 12:48 |
| @kanzure | jrayhawk, Mokstar, nmz787 (soon), lichen | 12:48 |
| @kanzure | possibly bkero. i don't know where he is these days. | 12:48 |
| BioGuy | jrayhawk: Have you met up with anyone from Portland? | 12:48 |
| @kanzure | didn't you two plan to go climbing today? | 12:49 |
| jrayhawk | I received interest but not confirmation. | 12:50 |
| BioGuy | Nah, I'm pretty busy this week. Maybe next week | 12:50 |
| BioGuy | Though I should warn you I'm pretty out of shape :-) | 12:50 |
| jrayhawk | I briefly met up with Mokstar to propagandize him, but I don't think more than fifty words were exchanged. | 12:50 |
| Mokstar | hah! we were busy watching a beefy research scientist | 12:51 |
| Mokstar | isn't there a rule about scientist bodyfat percentages? | 12:51 |
| jrayhawk | His name is non-alliterative, so he can't possibly be a superhero in disguise. | 12:52 |
| jrayhawk | Bryan Bishop on the other hand... | 12:52 |
| jrayhawk | he's a pokemon master trainer | 12:53 |
| Mokstar | (aka, dogfight enthusiast) | 12:53 |
| jrayhawk | I met nmz787. | 12:53 |
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| jrayhawk | http://www.meetup.com/Portland-Paleo-Project/ Speaking of propaganda, Mokstar, if you're interested in hearing 20-40 people say "I lost fifty pounds and a pile of autoimmune diseases" there's a meetup tomorrow. | 12:57 |
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| jrayhawk | "pile of metabolic and autoimmune diseases" | 12:57 |
| Mokstar | I'd rather go somewhere to hear, "Here's 50 pounds of bacon, free!" | 12:58 |
| Mokstar | I'm sorely tempted to give that guy his $99 | 12:58 |
| jrayhawk | mark sisson and chris kresser do contests like that | 12:58 |
| jrayhawk | i think chris kresser has one going on right now, but it's for beef | 12:59 |
| jrayhawk | last month mark sisson did a contest for a whole cow | 12:59 |
| BioGuy | What were you seeking to 'propogandize' Mokstar about? | 13:00 |
| jrayhawk | It was a nutrition biochemistry seminar. You might like it. | 13:00 |
| Mokstar | he's trying to get me to join VLF ("Vegetable Liberation Front") | 13:01 |
| BioGuy | Sounds interesting | 13:01 |
| Mokstar | yeah, basically we liberate produce from factory farms | 13:01 |
| BioGuy | Like PETA for veggies ;-P | 13:01 |
| jrayhawk | i like my tubers free-range and grass-fed | 13:02 |
| jrayhawk | rBST-free | 13:02 |
| Mokstar | and we leave them in nature, so they can live fulfilling lives | 13:02 |
| Mokstar | and be devoured by woodland creatures, like God intended | 13:03 |
| jrayhawk | anyway, Mokstar, Lalonde says he's making a new one in the next six months, so you may want to hold off | 13:05 |
| BioGuy | I might be intersted in doing a paleo diet. I practically was already on one for a while when I had to cut out all mostly all added sugars for a few months and limit starches + I have gluten allergies. | 13:09 |
| BioGuy | Though I would think you would want your meat consumption to be only about 1/3 of your meal | 13:10 |
| BioGuy | gotta run | 13:11 |
| jrayhawk | depends on the goals, depends on the meat. The human body is typically limited to somewhere around 35-45 percent of calories from protein; after that you get rabbit starvation. | 13:12 |
| jrayhawk | And usually before that you get diarrhea | 13:12 |
| jrayhawk | But it's actually pretty hard to get up that high with real food; chicken is one of the few meats that lean. | 13:12 |
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| jrayhawk | And, of course, there are other reasons to limit protein. If you're combatting renal failure or cancer or adipose tissue or severe neurological problems or some autoimmune diseases, you want to maintain as hardcore a ketogenic state as possible and gluconeogenesis from protein will undermine that. | 13:14 |
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| jrayhawk | I personally haphazardly add tallow and/or coconut oil to everything I eat. | 13:19 |
| @kanzure | one of the nyc biohackers is named "Gabriel Hammarquist" | 13:19 |
| @kanzure | i think that's a reasonable option for jenna's band | 13:19 |
| jrayhawk | hmm. can't decide if i like that name better than mine. | 13:19 |
| jrayhawk | chicken's a kinda crap meat anyway | 13:20 |
| jrayhawk | rather high linoleic acid content | 13:20 |
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| BioGuy | Ok still have several minutes... you ever have cow heart? | 13:25 |
| jrayhawk | I had some this morning. | 13:26 |
| jrayhawk | That is, admittedly, rather lean, too. | 13:26 |
| BioGuy | I got some a while back at the Hillsdale farmers market. It was the only pasteur raised beef I could afford. It was pretty good. Don't know if I made it right though. I should get some more and maybe crock pot it. | 13:27 |
| jrayhawk | The New Seasons on Interstate had a giant pile of pastured beef heart in the freezer for, like, $1.49/lb or something last week | 13:27 |
| jrayhawk | might still be there | 13:28 |
| jrayhawk | it's reasonably soft after a day of crocking | 13:29 |
| @kanzure | jrayhawk: why is cpan asking me to configure it? it was working last year. if i just use all the defaults, it eventually asks me for a manual cpan mirror url, which i don't know off the top of my head. | 13:31 |
| jrayhawk | Your $HOME/.cpan directory may have gotten wiped out, or you may be using a different one due to use of sudo -i or sudo -H | 13:32 |
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| jrayhawk | I also thought it offered a list of mirrors or otherwise automated the selection part somehow | 13:32 |
| BioGuy | Ok gotta run for real, talk to you all later | 13:32 |
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| jrayhawk | You can typically call stores and ask their meet departments about special orders to get cheap perfectly good offal. | 13:35 |
| @kanzure | well this is infuriating. | 13:38 |
| @kanzure | isn't CPAN supposed to be the one thing reliably working on debian? | 13:38 |
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| @kanzure | "New CPAN.pm version (v1.9800) available. Currently running version is v1.9402" ah. | 13:40 |
| @kanzure | oh well. i'll just use http://www.perl.org/CPAN/. | 13:46 |
| @kanzure | oh. http://www.perl.org/CPAN/MIRRORED.BY | 13:49 |
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| jrayhawk | you should be using dh-make-perl anyway | 14:02 |
| jrayhawk | "cpan working" is not a good thing | 14:02 |
| jrayhawk | it's possible some of cpan's mirror indexing infrastructure is broken somewhere | 14:03 |
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| @kanzure | neat, hod lipson's email password is in today's ultra dump | 14:17 |
| bkero | kanzure: I'm in Portland. | 14:18 |
| bkero | jrayhawk: I hear you're in Portland as well. | 14:18 |
| bkero | kanzure: why are you not in Portland? | 14:19 |
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| @kanzure | bkero: i am bad at being places | 14:25 |
| bkero | kanzure: That's something that can be improved upon. | 14:26 |
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| @kanzure | "Director, National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC)" only gets paid $11k/mo according to thsi dump | 14:30 |
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| @kanzure | well that was a waste of time. | 15:03 |
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| bkero | 132k/year | 15:48 |
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| skorket | kanzure, so no literature on DIY vitamin D testing? | 16:50 |
| @kanzure | correct. i lack a lot of stuff for blood tests. | 16:51 |
| skorket | oh well | 16:52 |
| skorket | thanks anyway | 16:52 |
| skorket | hows the laser cutter coming? | 17:03 |
| @kanzure | i forget | 17:04 |
| @kanzure | you wouldn't happen to know why i'm getting "TypeError: argument of type 'property' is not iterable" from python2.7/site-packages/celery/backends/__init__.pyc in get_backend_by_url(backend, loader), would you? | 17:04 |
| skorket | make sure you're passing it something it wants to be passed? | 17:05 |
| @kanzure | i'm not calling it. | 17:06 |
| skorket | __init__'s the constructor, no? | 17:06 |
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| @kanzure | so copenhagen suborbitals has a custom video mixer they've released: | 17:34 |
| @kanzure | http://sourceforge.net/projects/snowmix/ | 17:34 |
| @kanzure | http://raketvenner.dk/?p=689 | 17:34 |
| @kanzure | "s part of this effort, the CSS StreamTeam has released two of its projects as Open Source with more likely to follow. The two projects going Open Source are a High Definition IP Camera using a BeagleBone Computer and a web camera and a video mixer named Snowmix for mixing and producing live video." | 17:35 |
| @kanzure | http://www.oz9aec.net/index.php/beaglebone/476-turning-the-beaglebone-into-a-high-definition-ip-camera | 17:35 |
| @kanzure | "Besides help with testing the mixer, we are searching for someone that can help us develop a perhaps PHP/HTML based web interface for controlling the mixer to ease and support us when we produce the live streams. Should you be interested, drop us a note on the website at Sourceforge." | 17:35 |
| @kanzure | haha so they seem to be making some weird decisions.. like sourceforge, and php. but otherwise looks good. | 17:36 |
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| brownies | shall you be sending them a note via carrier pigeon? | 17:37 |
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| @kanzure | brownies: well we have men on the ground in copenhagen, so i can just send some guys to go rough them up. | 17:41 |
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| @kanzure | yashgaroth: hi | 17:43 |
| yashgaroth | sup | 17:43 |
| brownies | heh | 17:43 |
| yashgaroth | careful, they booby-trap that place...one wrong step and boom! you're in the middle of a shock diamond | 17:46 |
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| @kanzure | brownies: check this one out.. | 20:58 |
| @kanzure | http://www.columbia.edu/~pi17/mixer.pdf | 20:58 |
| @kanzure | these guys monitored whether or not people actually met new people at conferences | 20:58 |
| @kanzure | e.g. one of the stated goals of people who value in-person conferences so much is that they get to mingle with new people | 20:58 |
| @kanzure | but apparently, they only say that, and don't actually do it. | 20:58 |
| brownies | kind of a wandering, rambling paper | 21:05 |
| brownies | "At the same time, guests did mix in the sense of | 21:05 |
| brownies | encountering others who were different from themselves | 21:05 |
| brownies | in terms of sex, race, education, and job." | 21:05 |
| brownies | "Do people mix at mixers? The answer is no… and yes." | 21:05 |
| @kanzure | "This suggests that guests may benefit from a commitment device that forces them to interact with strangers." haha | 21:05 |
| brownies | clearly the sort of brilliant science that would come out of a business school. | 21:05 |
| @kanzure | "the answer is... give us more funding" | 21:05 |
| brownies | i skimmed over pieces of it, as they seem to have a rather boring writing style, but i get the impression they were unable to pick a model and stick to it | 21:06 |
| brownies | my understanding is that the answer is "yes, people mix, but not as much as the maximum possible limit of mixing" | 21:07 |
| brownies | which is not exactly a shocking revelation. | 21:07 |
| @kanzure | you know what, i think this is a paper about their frat party | 21:08 |
| brownies | it does appear to be about the eMBA program | 21:08 |
| brownies | "we called our friends and asked if they would like to have free drinks out of our research budget" | 21:08 |
| brownies | "a surprisingly high number said yes" | 21:09 |
| @kanzure | look at the conclusions section, it's like "So Fred told us that he saw Tim again a few weeks ago, so that's at least something." | 21:09 |
| brownies | hahah | 21:09 |
| brownies | i mean, conferences are always hit-or-miss, and that's *okay* | 21:09 |
| @kanzure | they use the word "encounters" as if someone in the equation is getting laid | 21:09 |
| brownies | you go, you talk to 100 people, you follow up with 10 who are worthwhile, you end up with 1 biz-dev relationship. | 21:09 |
| nmz787 | I like seeing body language, mannerisms | 21:11 |
| @kanzure | you're a freak | 21:11 |
| nmz787 | :( | 21:11 |
| nmz787 | ;( | 21:11 |
| @kanzure | i suppose i sound much more evil when i'm not in person | 21:12 |
| nmz787 | hah hah yeah probably | 21:12 |
| brownies | heh, a bit random, nmz787 but i agree... body language helps a lot | 21:12 |
| nmz787 | this is pretty much what I thought of kanzure http://www.comedycentral.com/video-clips/go8cre/chappelle-s-show-home-stenographer | 21:13 |
| nmz787 | hmm, there's some weird ad | 21:14 |
| nmz787 | ahh there's an X | 21:15 |
| nmz787 | in top right | 21:15 |
| nmz787 | (I thought of him as the mobile version) | 21:16 |
| nmz787 | "travel stenographer, backpack sold separately" | 21:16 |
| brownies | haha | 21:19 |
| brownies | that's not quite right. i'm sure kanzure types faster than that. | 21:19 |
| nmz787 | http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v473/n7345/full/nature09913.html | 21:28 |
| nmz787 | http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v489/n7417/full/nature11499.html | 21:28 |
| nmz787 | uploading fulltext now | 21:29 |
| yashgaroth | please tell me you plan to combine those two somehow | 21:29 |
| nmz787 | http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/Crystal%20structure%20of%20oxygen-evolving%20photosystem%20II%20at%20a%20resolution%20of%201.9%20A.pdf | 21:29 |
| nmz787 | http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/Skin%20shedding%20and%20tissue%20regeneration%20in%20African%20spiny%20mice%20(Acomys).pdf | 21:29 |
| nmz787 | hulk skin? | 21:30 |
| yashgaroth | photosynthetic skin flakes | 21:30 |
| nmz787 | mmm mmm good | 21:31 |
| yashgaroth | you will be the first recipient of the yashgaroth fellowship's prestigious '1 Under 100' program...also the only recipient | 21:32 |
| yashgaroth | also there's no money because I have none, but you get this certificate | 21:33 |
| nmz787 | whoo hoo! | 21:34 |
| yashgaroth | certificate will arrive in 2-8 years | 21:34 |
| nmz787 | this is pretty cool too http://phys.org/news/2012-10-device-internet-download.html | 21:52 |
| nmz787 | "The device uses the force generated by light to flop a mechanical switch of light on and off at a very high speed. This development could lead to advances in computation and signal processing using light instead of electrical current with higher performance and lower power consumption." | 21:52 |
| * nmz787 thinks microfluidics | 21:52 | |
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| @kanzure | sparkfun guy keeps emailing me. hrm. | 22:39 |
| @kanzure | "Bryan, real-world sourcing isn't supplier neutral." | 22:44 |
| @kanzure | then what's the point of using common parts | 22:45 |
| @kanzure | i think this guy is lying. | 22:45 |
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| * BioGuy waves to everyone. | 23:04 | |
| @kanzure | nmz787: BioGuy is a molecular biology person in portland | 23:04 |
| nmz787 | BioGuy: I'm moving to portland this month | 23:04 |
| nmz787 | i'm a biotech guy | 23:05 |
| BioGuy | We should meet up when you get to Portland. I've been intersted in meeting people interested in DIYbio/biohacking/whatever you want to call it | 23:08 |
| BioGuy | nmz787 Whats your background? | 23:09 |
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| nmz787 | BioGuy: nathanmccorkle.com/resume_09_2012.pdf | 23:12 |
| nmz787 | how about your background? | 23:13 |
| nmz787 | oh actually I'm no longer with berkeley, guess I need to break out the latex | 23:13 |
| @kanzure | xelatex for life? | 23:13 |
| nmz787 | nah i'm not that into to remember the diff between xe and non-xr | 23:14 |
| nmz787 | xe | 23:14 |
| @kanzure | oops i mean xetex | 23:15 |
| @kanzure | eh, it's just an implementation of latex that works with unicode input | 23:16 |
| BioGuy | nmz787 I definitely want to meet you, I should warn you though that you will definitely be able to run circles around me | 23:16 |
| @kanzure | " It natively supports Unicode and the input file is assumed to be in UTF-8 encoding by default. XeTeX can use any fonts installed in the operating system without configuring TeX font metrics, and can make direct use of advanced typographic features of OpenType, AAT and Graphite technologies such as alternative glyphs and swashes, optional or historic ligatures, and variable font weights." | 23:16 |
| nmz787 | BioGuy: sure thing, I'd like to get to know some folks | 23:17 |
| BioGuy | I just finished an associates degree program in bioscience technology. The program was more practical than theory. Though we foucussed quite a bit on cell culture, immunochemical methods (ELISA, western blots, etc), PCR, genetic engineering (plasmids, bacteria), protein purification methods | 23:19 |
| nmz787 | BioGuy: just in case you can help, I'm looking for a house/apt to rent, and some type of job (either bio/chem science or digging dirt/outdoors/forestry-related work) | 23:19 |
| nmz787 | oh cool, that would have been the route i took if I knew my local college had a biotech assoc | 23:19 |
| BioGuy | What age group/type of people are you looking to live with? | 23:19 |
| nmz787 | but by the time I realized I was already away at a university | 23:20 |
| nmz787 | well it's my girlfriend and me | 23:20 |
| nmz787 | so preferably on our own, but if we roomed up we'd want to hang out with non-normal people | 23:20 |
| BioGuy | I definitely wouldn't live downtown on the west side. There's usually good prices on the east side and west just west of downtown towards Beaverton | 23:21 |
| nmz787 | she's gonna be out at Intel in Hillsboro, so we were looking in Washington county | 23:21 |
| nmz787 | trying to keep the commute to 20 mins or so | 23:22 |
| BioGuy | non-normal people? You might like the South East area | 23:22 |
| nmz787 | lol | 23:22 |
| nmz787 | i mean people that talk about science instead of watching TV | 23:22 |
| brownies | nmz787: oh you're in berkeley? wild | 23:23 |
| nmz787 | brownies: for all but last summer I was remote | 23:23 |
| BioGuy | I have a 2 bedroom right now just off of hwy 26 and not far from Hillsboro and only about a 5 minute drive back into downtown PDX. Only pay about $930 | 23:23 |
| brownies | nmz787: oh ok | 23:23 |
| brownies | i like the little icons you put in your latex resume. it's a very nice touch. | 23:23 |
| nmz787 | the phone? | 23:24 |
| nmz787 | and email? | 23:24 |
| brownies | yeah | 23:24 |
| nmz787 | BioGuy: yeah that price sounds about right | 23:24 |
| nmz787 | brownies: :) | 23:24 |
| brownies | i award you the award of "first latex resume i've seen that's better-looking than mine" | 23:24 |
| nmz787 | there are plenty of apartments but a few nice houses too | 23:24 |
| bkero | I could be the second :P | 23:25 |
| bkero | BioGuy: Just moved from Beaverton to Northeast. | 23:25 |
| bkero | Have a nice 3br 3 story townhouse | 23:26 |
| nmz787 | if we can't arrange something online, we'll either camp out in someone in this IRCs yard/field... or if my gf doesn't want to rough it before heading to Intel I guess we can get a motel | 23:26 |
| nmz787 | when we stayed in berkeley last summer we arranged the apartment totally online, for the price and location it was pretty decent, but the fridge was about to fall through the floor... we made sure not to jump in the kitchen | 23:28 |
| nmz787 | BioGuy: I think there is a meetup.com for diybio or biohacking in portland that has a waiting list but no organizer or history of actually meeting | 23:30 |
| nmz787 | so we can change that | 23:30 |
| BioGuy | bkero we should meet up to | 23:30 |
| BioGuy | nmz787: I saw that the other day. A bunch of us on here should meetup and make it active. | 23:31 |
| @kanzure | meetup.com has a maintenance fee that they charge the organizer. i don't think it's worth it. | 23:31 |
| nmz787 | ooo | 23:31 |
| nmz787 | I didn't know that | 23:31 |
| BioGuy | I need more Bio people to talk... those that are actually interested in the science and technology | 23:31 |
| @kanzure | well, you're in the right place | 23:32 |
| nmz787 | http://www.freemeeting.com/ isn't what I thought it would/should be | 23:32 |
| BioGuy | I didn't realized meetup.com had a fee either. How much is it to organize a meetup | 23:32 |
| @kanzure | $20/month or year or something. either way, it's pretty silly. | 23:33 |
| nmz787 | what's a pdx zip code? | 23:33 |
| @kanzure | it's cheaper to slap up your own website than use meetup.com, hah | 23:33 |
| BioGuy | $20/year would be fine...not per month though. | 23:33 |
| nmz787 | there's this list http://www.groupomatic.com/?search=1&zip_code=97218&country=US&type=-1&distance=50 | 23:33 |
| BioGuy | nmz787 theres several zips | 23:34 |
| nmz787 | we could get a spot right next to the christian activity group | 23:34 |
| nmz787 | hmm, is this somehow better than google groups? | 23:34 |
| bkero | BioGuy: Yeah, sure. I've got some time later this week. | 23:35 |
| bkero | nmz787: 97212 | 23:35 |
| BioGuy | Looks like $12/month to start a group on meetup.com - might be worth it | 23:37 |
| BioGuy | Google groups might be a good idea to start a PDX DIYBio group | 23:39 |
| BioGuy | bkero: Are you near BrainSilo? | 23:39 |
| nmz787 | have you heard this quote: http://www.hhmi.org/bulletin/summer2004/janelia/ | 23:39 |
| nmz787 | "Day science calls into play arguments that mesh like gears, results that have the force of certainty. ... Conscious of its progress, proud of its past, sure of its future, day science advances in light and glory. By contrast, night science wanders blind. It hesitates, stumbles, recoils, sweats, wakes with a start. Doubting everything, it is forever trying to find itself, question itself, pull itself back together. Night | 23:40 |
| nmz787 | possible where what will become the building material of science is worked out." | 23:40 |
| nmz787 | —François Jacob | 23:40 |
| nmz787 | Of Flies, Mice, and Men | 23:40 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: know anyone here http://www.nightscience.org/#!workshop-2012/vstc3=guests | 23:41 |
| BioGuy | Reminds me as if 'night science' are all the natural phenomena that are perceived in peoples minds, which percolate and eventually give rise to a new field of science - which I suppose would be 'day science' | 23:45 |
| bkero | BioGuy: Northeast, forget where brain silo is | 23:48 |
| BioGuy | bkero: Its just off of Tillamook and Interstate | 23:49 |
| bkero | BioGuy: yeah, I'm very near there | 23:50 |
| bkero | when I last checked, BrainSilo didn't have any equipment though | 23:50 |
| nmz787 | http://www.groupomatic.com/pzac0huz | 23:50 |
| nmz787 | ok there's that | 23:50 |
| BioGuy | I've been working on trying to make a bit of a lab space there. We could meet there | 23:50 |
| bkero | That would work | 23:51 |
| bkero | I'm free on thursday. | 23:51 |
| bkero | Tomorrow is hecklevision at the Hollywood Theatre, Friday is a Wax Tailor concert. | 23:51 |
| bkero | This weekend I'm heading out to SakeOne in Forest Grove. | 23:52 |
| nmz787 | bkero and BioGuy, do you like to hike? | 23:52 |
| bkero | I do, but I never get the opportunity. | 23:52 |
| nmz787 | is time different from opportunity? | 23:53 |
| nmz787 | maybe we could all meet in forest park when I get there | 23:53 |
| BioGuy | Not too much to look at but I figure its a start: http://www.flickr.com/logout_ok.gne?y=1 | 23:53 |
| bkero | Yes | 23:54 |
| bkero | I often have the time, but don't know of much hiking around here. | 23:54 |
| nmz787 | BioGuy: bad link | 23:54 |
| bkero | and nobody to go with | 23:54 |
| bkero | I last did a 4 day hike alone | 23:54 |
| BioGuy | Oh! I love to hike! | 23:54 |
| bkero | apparently multi-day hikes alone are not recommended | 23:54 |
| nmz787 | ahh, ok well we definitely want to get out, its a big part of why we're moving out there! | 23:54 |
| BioGuy | Now finding people to do it with and sharing gas $ is a different story | 23:55 |
| nmz787 | i've got a nice big backpack and tent and sleeping bag, camp stove, etc | 23:55 |
| * bkero has a nice townhouse with garage, so I get to keep my car. | 23:55 | |
| bkero | I've got everything but some good hiking shoes. | 23:56 |
| BioGuy | hrmm does this one work? http://www.flickr.com/photos/85157430@N07/sets/72157631108569316/ | 23:56 |
| nmz787 | yes | 23:56 |
| nmz787 | what do they charge you for that? | 23:56 |
| BioGuy | Should warn you though. I like hiking, but don't get to do it that often and am pretty out of shape at the moment | 23:57 |
| nmz787 | is that a UV transilluminator? | 23:57 |
| * bkero can hike a distance, but doesn't do great in heat+sunlight | 23:57 | |
| BioGuy | At brainsilo? They ask about $40/month and you can pretty much do whatever you want. $20 if your a student | 23:57 |
| nmz787 | not too bad | 23:58 |
| nmz787 | 30 mins from hillsboro, if we end up there rather than closer to portland | 23:58 |
| BioGuy | blue light box | 23:58 |
| nmz787 | I really liked the area where jrayhawk lives | 23:58 |
| BioGuy | works with sybr-safe | 23:58 |
| * bkero would love if brainsilo had some equipment. I've got a garage for some space. | 23:58 | |
| nmz787 | near that germantown rd | 23:59 |
| bkero | That gizmos shop is out there on Cornelius Pass/Germantown | 23:59 |
| bkero | Surplus Gizmos | 23:59 |
| BioGuy | what part of town does jrayhawk live in? | 23:59 |
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