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| @kanzure | boop | 00:25 |
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| @kanzure | anyone want the drugstack.com domain? | 00:29 |
| Mokstar | ugh | 00:29 |
| @kanzure | no? | 00:32 |
| Mokstar | I'll pass | 00:47 |
| Mokstar | I don't need any more embarassing domain names :p | 00:47 |
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| bkero | heh | 03:46 |
| * bkero registers socialmobilecloud.com | 03:48 | |
| brownies | you're behind the times, man! | 03:54 |
| brownies | you need socialmobileLOCATIONcloud.com | 03:54 |
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| Urchin | nah, socialmobilelocationservicecloud.com | 05:49 |
| Urchin | more buzzwords | 05:49 |
| exiff | Yikes | 06:26 |
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| JayDugger | No, nsh. The transhumanists have always been at war with the Eastasia. Report to Room 101. | 06:36 |
| @kanzure | is packt publishing good/bad/evil? | 06:43 |
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| @kanzure | "The Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences said U.S. scientists Robert Lefkowitz (left) and Brian Kobilka made groundbreaking discoveries on an important family of receptors, known as G-protein-coupled receptors." | 07:10 |
| @kanzure | so G-protein stuff just got the nobel prize.. seems like it took long enough | 07:10 |
| archels | folding@home up and running | 07:15 |
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| @kanzure | [OpenSCAD] Feature request: Introduce TCP connection to openscad | 08:14 |
| @kanzure | wtf | 08:14 |
| @kanzure | i don't think it even compiles without the gui yet | 08:15 |
| @kanzure | " | 08:16 |
| @kanzure | "New! LulzBot AO-100 3D printer now FSF-certified to respect your freedom" http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/endorsement/respects-your-freedom/ | 08:16 |
| @kanzure | http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/endorsement/criteria | 08:16 |
| @kanzure | seems weird to see fsf accepting something named "lulz" | 08:16 |
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| brownies | they actually named it the LulzBot? o.O | 08:54 |
| @kanzure | well, i named my cad library "lolcad" so.. | 08:56 |
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| mikerbot | hi! | 11:34 |
| @kanzure | hello | 11:34 |
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| mikerbot | I'm procrastinating.. I'm supposed to be working on making a new site for grindhouse wetware. Found this channel while researching things. How are you! | 11:36 |
| Juul | hey mikerbot | 11:37 |
| @kanzure | grindhouse is so disappointing. | 11:37 |
| @kanzure | so far they have published lots of articles about yelling at other transhumanists | 11:37 |
| mikerbot | ooh give us a second, we're working on it! | 11:37 |
| mikerbot | I know... | 11:37 |
| @kanzure | you shouldn't use google sites in general | 11:37 |
| mikerbot | I'm not too stoked on the hate either, doesn't seem productive. I don't think that was really the intent of most of the negative comments though | 11:38 |
| mikerbot | oh I know, I'm getting rid of the whole thing | 11:38 |
| @kanzure | i have noticed a strong trend of trying to segregate the community | 11:38 |
| @kanzure | anyway, whatever. don't bring any of that in here and you're safe. | 11:38 |
| @kanzure | if you don't have time, you should probably just pay $1 to buy some crap on themeforest for a site | 11:39 |
| Juul | kanzure, link to one of those articles? | 11:40 |
| @kanzure | Juul: one moment.. | 11:41 |
| @kanzure | http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2012-09/04/diy-biohacking | 11:42 |
| @kanzure | it picks on natasha vita-more, who they claim is a "mainstream" "transhumanist" | 11:42 |
| @kanzure | "Cannon says the general consensus from the transhumanist community is that the team is "stupid for dreaming". " | 11:43 |
| @kanzure | what a load of crap | 11:43 |
| @kanzure | the general consensus is that it's lame because magnets aren't that useful, not that they are "stupid for dreaming" | 11:43 |
| @kanzure | they are completely misrepresenting biohacking/transhumanist views there.. just saying. | 11:43 |
| Mokstar | jeez, are you still on about that? | 11:47 |
| @kanzure | Mokstar: he asked! | 11:48 |
| Mokstar | oh | 11:48 |
| @kanzure | yeah.. | 11:48 |
| mikerbot | that article is published by wired, and not written by us. We're attempting to make the magnets useful. I... didn't really ask | 11:48 |
| @kanzure | mikerbot: not you. juul asked. look above. | 11:48 |
| jrayhawk | magnets are still badass screw you guys | 11:48 |
| jrayhawk | fucking magnets | 11:49 |
| mikerbot | lol | 11:49 |
| @kanzure | mikerbot: but really, i think themeforest is your quickest option for your next site | 11:49 |
| mikerbot | I think mine are pretty bad ass, and useful! | 11:49 |
| @kanzure | or what's that other big one.. | 11:49 |
| @kanzure | wtf why does themeforest advertise itself as a wordpress theme site? | 11:50 |
| Mokstar | on the one hand you have armchair dreamers yammering on about rehashed cyberpunk themes, and on the other hand you have jammed a magnet into your finger, hoping to one day find a practical use for it | 11:50 |
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| Mokstar | I really want to move into the "post-fingermagnet" era | 11:52 |
| Juul | kanzure, thanks. | 11:53 |
| jrayhawk | hey, whatever, body mod folks will be performing crazy self-surgeries with or without experimental parameters | 11:53 |
| Juul | it doesn't seem useful for either "camp" to put down the work of the other | 11:53 |
| jrayhawk | may as well make 'em interesting and cool experimental parameters | 11:53 |
| @kanzure | Juul: "live and let live" is what lets creationism stay around | 11:54 |
| Mokstar | it doesn't seem useful for anybody to suggest that there are camps | 11:54 |
| @kanzure | Mokstar: agreed | 11:54 |
| Mokstar | just... work, and collaborate | 11:54 |
| @kanzure | there are a lot of downsides to magnets, and you shouldn't separate a community just around that silly topic. | 11:54 |
| @kanzure | s/around that silly/around one silly/ | 11:55 |
| Mokstar | though, to be fair, all publications have an incentive to drive controversy, and humans have a natural tendency to form competing groups | 11:55 |
| @kanzure | it's also weird to see multiple groups "claiming" to have invented biohacking | 11:55 |
| @kanzure | like dave asprey is claiming he "biohacked" his penis or something, and that he invented the term | 11:56 |
| @kanzure | and then there's lucas who is claiming lepht invented biohacking because magnets | 11:56 |
| Mokstar | I biohacked my finger once, took ages to heal | 11:56 |
| Juul | kanzure, i don't really agree with that but i also don't feel like it's useful to spend the next half hour talking about that whole mess | 11:56 |
| @kanzure | then there's the biohacking folks from the diybio community | 11:56 |
| Mokstar | just about biohacked it off with a knife while cutting up sweet potatoes | 11:56 |
| * Juul goes back to the codes | 11:56 | |
| @kanzure | Juul: i moved on to talking about themeforest, i think Mokstar is the one who brought up the continued discussion. i'm really not as interested as you think i am. | 11:57 |
| mikerbot | I agree, but constructive criticism should be part of anything that calls itself a community... for instance, I think its reckless to be cutting yourself open without proper training and materials... and I'll frown at anyone that encourages others to do so.... | 11:57 |
| @kanzure | oh i guess i had my anti-live-and-let-live comment. | 11:57 |
| Mokstar | I just noticed you mentioning it again without much attention paid in between, so it appeared as though you were still concerned | 11:57 |
| Juul | kanzure, ok | 11:57 |
| Mokstar | err, *I* didn't pay much attention | 11:58 |
| Mokstar | mikerbot: I'd be less worried about the cutting part and more worried about leaching from the implanted object | 11:58 |
| @kanzure | mikerbot: are you subscribed to the diybio discussions? | 11:59 |
| mikerbot | kanzure: I am not! I should be | 11:59 |
| Mokstar | is neodymium toxic? | 11:59 |
| Mokstar | oh wait.. thye probably don't use neo's | 11:59 |
| @kanzure | mikerbot: email diybio+subscribe@googlegroups.com | 11:59 |
| @kanzure | mikerbot: http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/faq | 12:00 |
| @kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/groups | 12:00 |
| mikerbot | neodymium has a pretty low toxicity. Mine are platted in nickel, then parylene C | 12:00 |
| -!- SolG is now known as _sol_ | 12:01 | |
| @kanzure | mikerbot: also there's lots of historical context worth being aware of http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/faq/news | 12:02 |
| Mokstar | mikerbot: have you played with intentionally generating fields to map out the sensations available? | 12:02 |
| Mokstar | maybe with a de-cored stepper motor | 12:02 |
| mikerbot | Mokstar: I have, I need to do more, and work out some calculations too, I'd like to be able to describe them empirically | 12:04 |
| Mokstar | I've thought about it as a communications channel | 12:04 |
| Mokstar | or potentially incorporated into the northpaw project | 12:05 |
| mikerbot | Mokstar: my favorite is actually a microwave running on high and empty | 12:05 |
| mikerbot | we might like our bottlenose project.. it is that, the current version has a sonar module | 12:05 |
| @kanzure | hey so if you guys have the time to be working on a hardware project, can you build this instead? | 12:06 |
| mikerbot | *you might like | 12:06 |
| @kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/ultrasound/ | 12:06 |
| @kanzure | it's much more specific than tdcs | 12:06 |
| Mokstar | you wanna test it first? | 12:06 |
| @kanzure | who are you asking? | 12:06 |
| Mokstar | the mouse who suggested putting the bell on the cat :p | 12:06 |
| @kanzure | huh? what's wrong with the mouse testing? | 12:07 |
| @kanzure | there's some youtube videos demonstrating tests on mice, i think replicating that is a good idea | 12:07 |
| Mokstar | kanzure: you wanna test it first? | 12:07 |
| @kanzure | i can't test it without a prototype, and i don't have time to build a prototype at the moment. | 12:08 |
| Mokstar | oddly, I'm more frightened of ultrasound than I am of tMS or tDCS | 12:08 |
| @kanzure | yeah, ultrasound can be very dangerous | 12:08 |
| Mokstar | I keep thinking about this anecodotal report of a fellow who had a bottlenose dolphin grind a bone-spur from his arm | 12:09 |
| @kanzure | but when you dial down the energy delivered per millimeter it seems to be much more useful | 12:09 |
| @kanzure | per sq millimeter | 12:09 |
| @kanzure | well, cubic | 12:09 |
| mikerbot | looks like it! I still haven't tried tDCS.. as far as I understand the papers and user experiences it seems to sum up as "It does something, and its weird" | 12:09 |
| @kanzure | there was one paper that tried to do tdcs targetting but it didn't get that far | 12:10 |
| @kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/tdcs/ | 12:10 |
| mikerbot | Mokstar: I want a link to that dolphin bone spur surgeon | 12:10 |
| @kanzure | http://brmlab.cz/project/brain_hacking/tdcs | 12:10 |
| Mokstar | trying to find it | 12:10 |
| @kanzure | so being able to point transducers at particular locations seems more helpful | 12:10 |
| @kanzure | rather than a generic "dude this does funky things to your brain" device | 12:10 |
| Mokstar | nope, not finding it | 12:14 |
| Mokstar | now, I'm not saying it actually happened | 12:14 |
| Mokstar | I just remember it when I think about tUS | 12:15 |
| Mokstar | http://www.acoustics.org/press/161st/Porter.html | 12:16 |
| @kanzure | "coated microbubbles" eh? i guess that's not quite a capsule. | 12:17 |
| Mokstar | that's... not what I wanted to share... 1 sec | 12:18 |
| Mokstar | yes it was | 12:19 |
| Mokstar | http://www.histotripsy.umich.edu/ | 12:19 |
| Mokstar | though, at first glance that just seems like forced metastasis to me... | 12:20 |
| @kanzure | yeah, if you look in http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/ultrasound/ there's some clinical trails of using ultrasound for treating brain tumors.... by melting them. | 12:20 |
| @kanzure | i wonder if melting is the correct word. | 12:20 |
| @kanzure | "non-invasive image guided cavitational ultrasound therapy (histotripsy)" interesting, i didn't know people were calling it histotripsy. sounds sort of made up though :) | 12:21 |
| Mokstar | it's kind of catchy | 12:21 |
| @kanzure | histoshooting-ultrasound-at-you | 12:21 |
| Mokstar | "The Brain Melter" | 12:22 |
| @kanzure | variable-power brain melting apparatus | 12:22 |
| @kanzure | "Using a method of transcranial US brain stimulation with an acoustic collimating tube (d = 2mm), an estimate of the volume of cortical activation maybe =~ 3 mm^3 as indicated by c-fos activity (Figure 15)." | 12:23 |
| @kanzure | "The 1.5-2.0 mm lateral area of activation observed represents a more reliable measure and is approximately five times better than the =~ 1cm lateral spatial resolution offered by transcranial magnetic stimulatino (TMS) (Barker, 1999). Due to the millimeter spatial resolutions conferred by US, structured US fields may be used to drive patterned activation in sparsely distributed brain circuits." | 12:23 |
| @kanzure | stimulatino? i guess i typoed that. that seems like a typo i'd do. | 12:23 |
| Mokstar | yeah, but you'd have to couple that with imaging | 12:27 |
| @kanzure | why? | 12:27 |
| Mokstar | a 2mm spot? | 12:27 |
| @kanzure | at most maybe only one high resolution image of the brain to do coordinate mapping | 12:28 |
| Mokstar | I don't know about you, but when I use a rifle I like having decent optics on it :p | 12:28 |
| Mokstar | fair enough | 12:28 |
| @kanzure | nobody is suggesting using an ultrasound stimulator without testing, calibration or anything else like that. | 12:29 |
| @kanzure | just as nobody is recommending using tdcs without such testing. | 12:29 |
| Mokstar | right, I guess I'm just not familiar with the technology used to identify points of interest in 3d space without realtime imaging | 12:30 |
| @kanzure | .... i hope | 12:30 |
| @kanzure | Mokstar: it's all unusable junk. most of the neuro-coordinate software stuff are old, broked java applets or worse. | 12:30 |
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| eudoxia | mikerbot: that's pretty cool, the original site was pretty urrgghhhhh | 13:32 |
| eudoxia | or, rather, is | 13:32 |
| mikerbot | oh I know! I should have a new one up in a day or so. if you'd like to check out the work in progress I uploaded it to http://www.tessascheckner.com/grindhouse/index.html | 13:34 |
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| eudoxia | mikerbot oohhhh much better | 13:35 |
| kanzure | mikerbot: have you considered not using <table> and <td> | 13:36 |
| kanzure | and so many spacer.gifs? | 13:36 |
| kanzure | is this from themeforest? | 13:36 |
| eudoxia | mikerbot I suggest the following instead of spacer .gifs: | 13:37 |
| eudoxia | hr {margin:20px auto; border:2px dotted #dfdfdf;clear:both;} | 13:37 |
| mikerbot | thats just me being lazy and over using the slice tool in photoshop | 13:37 |
| eudoxia | and Open Sans Book 300 for the section titles | 13:38 |
| mikerbot | ah good call | 13:38 |
| mikerbot | thanks | 13:38 |
| kanzure | mikerbot: i think it's far faster if you just use something that already exists instead of monkeying around in photoshop | 13:38 |
| kanzure | i mean, if you're going to be doing web development and if you insist on doing customizing it yourself, you might want to consider learning about stylesheets, for instance.. | 13:39 |
| eudoxia | sometimes using <table> is ok, like how I never really noticed SA's site was exclusively <table>s all over | 13:40 |
| kanzure | well, copying and pasting css strings everywhere isn't ok | 13:40 |
| kanzure | or, it demonstrates a lack of understanding of technology here | 13:41 |
| eudoxia | s/SA/Suspended Animation | 13:41 |
| kanzure | eudoxia: transhumanists are supposed to be at the forefront of technology, not at the butt end | 13:41 |
| eudoxia | yeah | 13:41 |
| kanzure | s/supposed to/supposedly | 13:41 |
| kanzure | or at least.. erm.. well make that into a sentence | 13:41 |
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| mikerbot | oh well, it only took a second in photoshop really, and I have some free time. Its a small site.. I could CSS it up, but it would probably take me longer than would be worth it. | 13:43 |
| kanzure | do you know what the concept of "technical debt" refers to? | 13:44 |
| Mokstar | the credit card I use to buy phones, tablets, and TVs with? | 13:45 |
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| mikerbot | lol, mmm alright alright. | 13:47 |
| kanzure | oh, maybe "technical drag" is a better term | 13:47 |
| kanzure | anyway, templating systems exist because editing multiple files when you change your template or stylesheet is silly | 13:47 |
| kanzure | and stylesheets are referenced by URI because people tend to like changing something only once | 13:48 |
| Sanky | you can make sites in photoshop? | 13:49 |
| eudoxia | I was equally surprised | 13:49 |
| kanzure | Sanky: http://psd2html.com/ does "fancypants" slicing | 13:50 |
| kanzure | where they slice your psd up into semantic html | 13:50 |
| Sanky | scary | 13:50 |
| kanzure | but there's a default plugin somewhere that dumps out stuff with the same quality on the order of dreamweaver output | 13:50 |
| kanzure | haha what? psd2html is advertising they have 370 employees. holy carp. | 13:51 |
| kanzure | i guess the slice shop model scales for them. | 13:51 |
| kanzure | s/slice shop/chop shop/ | 13:51 |
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| gnusha | diyhpluswiki.git: e6d0ae0 Corrected name of BUGSS, added BUGSS founders | 14:22 |
| kanzure | holy crap a contributor | 14:28 |
| kanzure | i think that was Steven Stowell <scstowell@gmail.com> | 14:28 |
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| jrayhawk | nmz787: do you have a move date yet? there's random biotech industry events i can notify you about, but i don't know what the cutoff would be | 15:21 |
| Mokstar | nmz787: leaving portland, eh? | 15:22 |
| Mokstar | what's $other_city got that Portland don't got?!? | 15:22 |
| jrayhawk | no, he's moving *to* portland | 15:25 |
| Mokstar | ohhhh | 15:26 |
| * Mokstar looks at the date. | 15:26 | |
| Mokstar | dangit, went too far back this time | 15:26 |
| Mokstar | bbl | 15:26 |
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| nmz787 | jrayhawk: tenatively getting there 23rd or 24th | 15:52 |
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| gnusha | diyhpluswiki.git: 6862622 biohacking article on radar.oreilly.com | 17:15 |
| kanzure | hmm | 17:16 |
| kanzure | http://radar.oreilly.com/2012/10/biohacking.html | 17:16 |
| kanzure | so maybe it's endy who has been telling the media "it's like silicon valley!" | 17:16 |
| kanzure | this sounds like drew's influence to me: "In short, synthetic biology is going through the same transition in usability that computing saw in the ’70s and ’80s." | 17:17 |
| brownies | "DNA is similar to machine language (except it’s in base four, rather than binary), and in principle hacking DNA isn’t much different from hacking machine code." | 17:17 |
| brownies | oh, clearly, it's so simple. | 17:17 |
| gnusha | diyhpluswiki.git: cc835ae an old radar.oreilly.com article about biocurious | 17:21 |
| kanzure | brownies: hah, i didn't even see that. brilliant. | 17:21 |
| kanzure | look at omri pimping his software in the comments | 17:23 |
| kanzure | that guy has no shame. | 17:23 |
| brownies | that's called "viral marketing" | 17:25 |
| brownies | ooh, accidental biology pun. | 17:26 |
| kanzure | i like how he argued all of his customer feedback from diybio | 17:26 |
| kanzure | s/argued/ignored | 17:26 |
| kanzure | i guess he argued it too | 17:26 |
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| kanzure | i just received an email in chinese with this attached: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/images/推广图片.jpg | 18:23 |
| kanzure | i'm surprised the great firewall of china doesn't auto-filter out that image | 18:23 |
| yashgaroth | it's red and there's a clenched fist, sounds compatible with the firewall | 18:24 |
| kanzure | let's make some fake chinese biohacking propaganda | 18:24 |
| yashgaroth | just replace the AK-47s with pipettors and syringes and you're golden | 18:25 |
| kanzure | angry pipetting | 18:25 |
| ParahSailin | kanzure, you need a translation on that? | 18:25 |
| kanzure | nah, i'm sure it's spam | 18:25 |
| ParahSailin | 买家 == capitalism | 18:26 |
| ParahSailin | the rest can be figured out from the pictures | 18:27 |
| kanzure | let's make up a secret chinese biohacking group, that uh.. um.. | 18:30 |
| kanzure | is sponsored by the government? | 18:30 |
| JayDugger | Which government? I suggest the Australians. | 18:32 |
| yashgaroth | hey they already support regular hackers, it's not a huge stretch | 18:32 |
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| nmz787 | why is there not annual weather info on the interstates compiled into something useful? | 18:52 |
| kanzure | nmz787: or weather integrated into google maps for trip routing? | 18:53 |
| nmz787 | that would work i guess, but i know that I need to drive on I-80 through nebraska and wyoming, and I know those streches have gates on them so you can't continue driving in bad weather (you have to exit) | 18:57 |
| nmz787 | so knowing there are possible bad areas, why can't i find averages for them easily | 18:57 |
| JayDugger | I suspect that happens because you look for data over an area very different from the area where weather gets collected. | 19:02 |
| JayDugger | You might find long histories of weather data from a specific airport. You want data over a route. | 19:02 |
| JayDugger | It would help a great deal, though. | 19:03 |
| JayDugger | I suggest listing your route's start and end points, and adding as many towns or zip codes crossed by | 19:03 |
| JayDugger | your route to that list. | 19:03 |
| JayDugger | Then you can go to a site such as weatherspark.com and check your list against the averages it provides. | 19:04 |
| JayDugger | If you've already done that and found the results or method wanting, please say so. :) | 19:04 |
| kanzure | um yeah how about something that doesn't involve manual labor | 19:13 |
| kanzure | like software | 19:13 |
| nmz787 | weatherspark will take a list JayDugger? | 19:14 |
| nmz787 | yeah like I just wikipediaed boise idaho to look at the average temp and precip | 19:14 |
| nmz787 | both are low, but there is a slight chance i could pass through on the day it drops precip and i could be screwed | 19:15 |
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| JayDugger | Is the goal safe travel? Did I miss the point? | 19:30 |
| nmz787 | yes | 19:31 |
| kanzure | nathan is secretly a tornado chaser | 19:31 |
| nmz787 | i'm towing a trailer from NY to OR | 19:31 |
| kanzure | ever since the hurricanes stole his uh.. um.. petri dishes, he's been on a quest of vengeance ever since | 19:31 |
| yashgaroth | it looks pretty clear right now, get truckin' | 19:31 |
| nmz787 | not leaving for a weel | 19:32 |
| nmz787 | week | 19:32 |
| JayDugger | the saga of Nathan's Glassware Vengeance Quest! chanted far into the future around the fires of humanity's degenerate descendants | 19:33 |
| kanzure | aww why do they have to be degenerate descendants.. | 19:33 |
| JayDugger | Because humanity's non-degenerate descendants had better be doing something incomprehensible to v1.0 types such as myself. | 19:34 |
| nmz787 | i do think of that movie The Postman, since his paradise was in the pacific northwest | 19:35 |
| nmz787 | i figure as long as none of those volcanoes around there blows, its a pretty safe better for staying alive and well fed in event of apocalypse | 19:36 |
| yashgaroth | abundant water and hydroelectric power | 19:37 |
| JayDugger | I paid very little for electricity when I lived in Portland, OR. | 19:37 |
| kanzure | paying for things? | 19:37 |
| nmz787 | berkeley power was really cheap too | 19:38 |
| JayDugger | My most expensive monthly bill came to a whole fourteen dollars. | 19:38 |
| yashgaroth | I find it slightly humorous that the PNW has abundant cloud cover, and that the cheap electricity leads to a lot of the 'cloud' being based there | 19:38 |
| nmz787 | http://i.minus.com/ibeAS04W42YB04.gif | 19:45 |
| nmz787 | 'involved in a wreck walk away like a boss.' | 19:45 |
| nmz787 | i wonder if he was wearing his seatbelt | 19:45 |
| nmz787 | :O http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/09/99-raspberry-pi-sized-supercomputer-touted-in-kickstarter-project/ | 19:52 |
| nmz787 | http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/adapteva/parallella-a-supercomputer-for-everyone | 19:52 |
| kanzure | so that gif reminded me of an old phone call i had with tudor boloni | 19:53 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/2010-04-13-tudor-boloni.txt | 19:53 |
| kanzure | go to the hyperthermia section, it's hilarious. | 19:53 |
| kanzure | this was back when i was able to type a transcript of a phone call with someone and still maintain a reasonable conversation (it's harder to do that now because i try to be more thoughtful about what i say) | 19:53 |
| jrayhawk | 10:01 < jrayhawk> woo another massively parallel chipset company that places seemingly zero emphasis on compilation | 19:54 |
| jrayhawk | 10:01 < jrayhawk> soon to be added to the pile of defunct companies that thought they could do the same thing | 19:54 |
| jrayhawk | 10:02 < eudoxia> but it says it's fully ANSI-C/C++ programmable :(((( | 19:54 |
| jrayhawk | 10:06 < jrayhawk> "we're just as much of a pain in the ass to parallelize from the software end as existing architectures" is not exactly an encouraging claim | 19:54 |
| kanzure | it's too bad there's no centralized debunking service. | 19:55 |
| nmz787 | jrayhawk: but since its OSHW and open software, can't that change? | 19:56 |
| nmz787 | parallax propeller is parallel and easy as hell to use | 19:56 |
| kanzure | oh that's right, that call with tudor boloni ended up being about some linksharing scheme. hah! | 19:58 |
| JayDugger | So...did Mr. Boloni steal that idea from Michael Kube-McDowell's "Lifebomb"? | 19:59 |
| kanzure | not sure. elaborate? | 20:00 |
| JayDugger | Lifebomb linkdump: | 20:00 |
| JayDugger | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0716957/ | 20:00 |
| JayDugger | http://youtu.be/9OW6RLO7lyU | 20:00 |
| JayDugger | An implanted device preserves patients from sudden death by explosively cocooning the human and applying medical care until help arrives. | 20:02 |
| JayDugger | (Yeah, I saw it on TV as a kid.) | 20:02 |
| kanzure | neat. in this case tudor was talking about injecting some salts into the bloodstream with some other cryoprotectants. | 20:02 |
| JayDugger | The episode turns into the usual "rich people aren't really happy" morality play. | 20:02 |
| JayDugger | "Your backpack actually converts into a life-caccoon. Two chemical bombs go off? You go into stasis, they pick you up the next day and you're safe." | 20:03 |
| nmz787 | watching now | 20:04 |
| JayDugger | Start at 4:20 and watch for a minute or so. | 20:04 |
| kanzure | JayDugger: you can append #t=260 to start at 4:20 | 20:05 |
| JayDugger | Pretty impressive salesmanship. | 20:05 |
| JayDugger | So no good will come of parallella, eh? | 20:06 |
| nmz787 | seems like some good should | 20:22 |
| nmz787 | that video was a little underwhelming | 20:24 |
| nmz787 | the concept actually seems OK, but it wouldn't prevent him dying of say HIV | 20:24 |
| nmz787 | or AIDS rather | 20:24 |
| kanzure | huh? you contract HIV and then suddenly a cacoon explodes around you? | 20:26 |
| nmz787 | yeah wouldn't help | 20:27 |
| nmz787 | the lifebomb had sensors implanted so in life threatening conditions it explodes a life support cocoon around you | 20:28 |
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| skorket | evening all | 20:30 |
| nmz787 | hi | 20:33 |
| nmz787 | watching stuff, so not really here | 20:33 |
| AdrienG | some rich ppl are pretty messed up allright | 21:11 |
| AdrienG | but i think it has more to do with the pointlessness of their existence, than being rich. | 21:11 |
| kanzure | and some rich people aren't messed up | 21:12 |
| kanzure | there's nothing wrong with having money | 21:12 |
| AdrienG | there is never too much money. | 21:12 |
| AdrienG | only too many other rich people. | 21:12 |
| kanzure | huh? | 21:12 |
| kanzure | do you just hate rich people or something? | 21:12 |
| kanzure | or do you think they must be miserable because you want them to be? | 21:12 |
| AdrienG | no, i just would like to be richer than the next guy. | 21:12 |
| AdrienG | money is just something we use to keep score, really. | 21:13 |
| kanzure | ok. how exactly does you wanting to be rich mean that other rich people are mssed up? | 21:13 |
| kanzure | *messed | 21:13 |
| AdrienG | ? | 21:13 |
| kanzure | i don't follow your train of thought here. | 21:13 |
| AdrienG | i think you misread everything i typed. | 21:13 |
| kanzure | "the pointlessness of their existence" | 21:13 |
| kanzure | are you making an argument stating that every rich person has to feel pointlessness? | 21:14 |
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| AdrienG | kanzure: no. | 21:16 |
| AdrienG | the miserable rich people are those that lead that type of existance. | 21:16 |
| AdrienG | then there is the other kind,. | 21:17 |
| kanzure | ok. can you name a particular miserable rich person, or are you talking about a stereotype/strawman? | 21:17 |
| AdrienG | its just that being rich allows them to lead that pointless existance w/o starving | 21:17 |
| AdrienG | kanzure: there are plenty of useless rich kids | 21:17 |
| AdrienG | i never said "every" or that money cause it lol. | 21:18 |
| kanzure | we're not talking about useless, you said miserable | 21:18 |
| AdrienG | kanzure: its their uselessness that makes the miserable. | 21:18 |
| AdrienG | they just lead pointless lives. | 21:18 |
| kanzure | ok look, my point is that you're being incomprehensible and you should stop talking -_- | 21:18 |
| AdrienG | re-read my lines again. | 21:18 |
| AdrienG | maybe you need some nootropics :o | 21:18 |
| jrayhawk | Born Rich was sorta fun to watch. People born into wealthy families have really screwy philosophy/psychology to maintain self-esteem. | 21:22 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: do i have a screwy psychology? | 21:25 |
| kanzure | i mean, comparatively to whatever you're talking about | 21:25 |
| jrayhawk | nope, sorry | 21:26 |
| kanzure | alas | 21:26 |
| jrayhawk | well, i guess maybe | 21:27 |
| kanzure | there is yet hope | 21:27 |
| jrayhawk | you do seem to have a very strong compulsion towards productivity, but i get the impression you had that before you had awareness of your advantages | 21:29 |
| AdrienG | kanzure is some billionaire's kid? | 21:29 |
| jrayhawk | like, the big problem with all the kids in Born Rich was that they can't really escape being/having been enormous social leeches as a result of circumstance, so they have to invent dimensions of self-worth that don't involve normal human utility | 21:33 |
| jrayhawk | you seem to be on track to avoid some of that because your utility as measured by wage is on a reasonable track to at least match your social cost as measured by inheritance | 21:35 |
| jrayhawk | but i don't know if there's a correlation there | 21:36 |
| jrayhawk | and, of course, you create a lot of 'public good' utility that can't realistically be measured by income | 21:37 |
| kanzure | obviously i should be subsidized by the government to continue providing a public good utility | 21:38 |
| jrayhawk | DARPA funds a lot of cool public goods | 21:38 |
| jrayhawk | occasionally the NSA does, too | 21:38 |
| jrayhawk | We got the internet! And ReiserFS! | 21:39 |
| ParahSailin | hey if you're born rich, you either go into a pe firm, a political position, or stay out of sight, depending how rich you are | 21:41 |
| kanzure | anyway, the original argument that rich people must be meaningless or pointless is silly | 21:43 |
| jrayhawk | anyway, if i had a large inheretance, i would probably be philosophically/psychologically crushed by it and *try* to maximize measurable utility in a manner similar to you, but i would also probably be crippled enough fending off neurotic self-contempt that i wouldn't be any good at it | 21:43 |
| kanzure | or i think the right term might be speciest? | 21:43 |
| jrayhawk | you don't seem to have much in the way of neurotic self-contempt, so i assume you just got lucky and happen to really like providing a lot of utility | 21:44 |
| kanzure | i do some pretty terriblet hings.. like i subject myself to files with uppercase characters | 21:45 |
| kanzure | *terrible things | 21:45 |
| kanzure | but ok | 21:45 |
| ParahSailin | compared to most of the world i was born rich | 21:46 |
| kanzure | probably | 21:46 |
| ParahSailin | born white in america | 21:46 |
| AdrienG | wats pe film | 21:50 |
| jrayhawk | private enterprise firm? | 21:50 |
| AdrienG | oh firm | 21:51 |
| AdrienG | private equity, gotcha. | 21:51 |
| jrayhawk | oh, yeah, okay | 21:51 |
| AdrienG | i was liek, wats a pe fi_l_m | 21:51 |
| AdrienG | penile extension films? | 21:51 |
| jrayhawk | a goldmine | 21:51 |
| jrayhawk | THERE'S GOLD IN THEM THERE PHALLUSES | 21:51 |
| AdrienG | is u gay | 21:58 |
| jrayhawk | 'u' resents the question and refuses to dignify it with an answer | 22:00 |
| jrayhawk | furthermore, you shouldn't anthropomorphize letters; they hate that | 22:01 |
| AdrienG | i like ur point of view on u. | 22:09 |
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