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| nmz787 | why isn't this in the olympics http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sperm_competition | 00:12 |
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| Mokstar | http://www.google.com/patents/US7105935?printsec=abstract#v=onepage&q&f=false | 03:05 |
| Mokstar | ferrofluid electrical generator | 03:05 |
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| Lemminkainen_ | Mokstar: your design? | 07:57 |
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| jrayhawk | nmz787: http://espn.go.com/olympics/summer/2012/story/_/id/8133052/athletes-spill-details-dirty-secrets-olympic-village-espn-magazine | 10:06 |
| jrayhawk | it's just not televised | 10:06 |
| @kanzure | openbiotech.com conference talk (probably open science summit 2012) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCQmDUURe3I | 10:24 |
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| curt1s | hi | 12:21 |
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| @kanzure | Maluseth: hi | 12:27 |
| Maluseth | hi | 12:27 |
| Maluseth | i checked out your website, heybryan.org | 12:27 |
| Maluseth | what is gnusha? | 12:27 |
| Maluseth | im just curious | 12:27 |
| @kanzure | you know, i don't know any more | 12:27 |
| @kanzure | it's a server. | 12:27 |
| Maluseth | oh | 12:28 |
| Maluseth | ok | 12:28 |
| Maluseth | do you guys do CAD work here? | 12:28 |
| Maluseth | CAM CIM? | 12:28 |
| @kanzure | yes | 12:28 |
| Maluseth | cool, i'm trying to learn these things building a fab lab- | 12:28 |
| Maluseth | can i hang around? | 12:28 |
| @kanzure | sure | 12:28 |
| Maluseth | cool thanks :) | 12:29 |
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| Mokstar | Lemminkainen_: nooo, looks to be a taiwanese fellow | 12:44 |
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| nmz787 | Mokstar: are you in portland? | 13:04 |
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| Mokstar | nmz7871: yep | 13:28 |
| nmz7871 | cool, I'm now in hillsboro! | 13:29 |
| Mokstar | ooooh | 13:29 |
| Mokstar | working at intel? | 13:29 |
| Mokstar | hillsboro's nice, if a little boring for me | 13:29 |
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| Mokstar | strip malls vs grotty old brick stores | 13:29 |
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| Mokstar | nmz787wb | 13:30 |
| Mokstar | nmz787: wb | 13:30 |
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| @kanzure | http://www.cartridgesave.co.uk/news/a-roundup-of-3d-printers/ | 14:34 |
| @kanzure | http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2012/11/hacking-the-presidents-dna/309147/?single_page=true | 14:34 |
| @kanzure | oh it's andrew hessel. that's amusing. | 14:34 |
| @kanzure | why is hessel writing for theatlantic.com? | 14:35 |
| nmz7871 | i love how homer simpson called 'wired' 'weird', and was upset when Lisa corrected him | 14:35 |
| AdrianG | http://www.wired.co.uk/magazine/archive/2012/10/ideas-bank/so-long-information-age-hello-hybrid-age | 14:41 |
| Adifex | ^^ like that | 14:43 |
| nmz7871 | jrayhawk: you still home? | 15:01 |
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| AdrianG | jus liek dat | 15:07 |
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| jrayhawk | nmz7871: Nope. | 15:38 |
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| Maluseth | if i learn solidcam software, does this include CAD as well or are these two seperate things | 16:04 |
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| Maluseth | oh i got it nvm | 16:07 |
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| Maluseth | I am trying to learn a programming language for following purposes. Please tell me if "Python" is sufficient for these tasks: | 17:12 |
| @kanzure | "following"? | 17:12 |
| Maluseth | 1. Control system for mechanical engineering- | 17:12 |
| Maluseth | like, say- i'm controlling a robotic arm- | 17:13 |
| @kanzure | you shoudl look into linuxcnc | 17:13 |
| @kanzure | *should | 17:13 |
| Maluseth | oh | 17:13 |
| Maluseth | thank you i will keep that in mind | 17:13 |
| @kanzure | python is fine for these tasks | 17:13 |
| Maluseth | how far has python gone to? | 17:13 |
| @kanzure | but if you need real-time control in under 1 ms then python is not your best option | 17:13 |
| Maluseth | can i build sophisticated websites with it too? | 17:13 |
| @kanzure | youtube is built on python | 17:13 |
| @kanzure | and yes you can | 17:14 |
| Maluseth | wuw didn't know that | 17:14 |
| Maluseth | i see | 17:14 |
| Maluseth | thank you for the information | 17:14 |
| Maluseth | i saw this things called the piCloud | 17:14 |
| Maluseth | *thing | 17:14 |
| @kanzure | picloud's okay. you should also learn about heroku and aws. | 17:14 |
| @kanzure | or dotcloud | 17:15 |
| Maluseth | wow you already used it? | 17:15 |
| @kanzure | sort of. | 17:15 |
| Maluseth | could i somehow use cloud computing for rendering objects? | 17:15 |
| Maluseth | through these services? | 17:15 |
| Maluseth | where can i use them for exactly? | 17:16 |
| Maluseth | im very curious about everything | 17:16 |
| @kanzure | yes you can use "cloud computing" for anything you can use regular computing for. | 17:16 |
| @kanzure | "cloud computing" just refers to the idea of not having an exact box that your software is running on | 17:16 |
| @kanzure | thingiverse was using stl2web for the longest time on aws i think | 17:16 |
| Maluseth | so then it is compatible with *any softwares. wow | 17:17 |
| @kanzure | but they switched to rendering with a python/blender combination recently | 17:17 |
| @kanzure | picloud isn't exactly compatible with "anything" mind you. aws is more general purpose in comparison. | 17:17 |
| Maluseth | omg you know everything wow | 17:17 |
| @kanzure | um. | 17:17 |
| brownies | rofl | 17:17 |
| Maluseth | im just trying to learn here | 17:17 |
| Maluseth | my edge is that i know absolutely nothing. | 17:18 |
| Maluseth | lol | 17:18 |
| Maluseth | ok im writing down the stuff you told me | 17:18 |
| Maluseth | and research | 17:18 |
| @kanzure | Maluseth: read everything here http://ruby.railstutorial.org/ruby-on-rails-tutorial-book and follow the experiments | 17:19 |
| @kanzure | and this http://www.rubyinside.com/media/poignant-guide.pdf | 17:19 |
| @kanzure | it's not python but it's thorough and will get you using heroku | 17:20 |
| Maluseth | how about linuxcnc? which one should i engage into? | 17:20 |
| @kanzure | i don't know of an equivalent book for python/django/heroku. i don't know, just read up on boto or something. | 17:20 |
| @kanzure | well you would install linuxcnc on a computer hooked up to your arm. | 17:20 |
| Maluseth | my interests are in: mech eng | web programming and biochemistry. | 17:20 |
| @kanzure | well then you should read the biochemistry books listed here http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/faq/books | 17:21 |
| brownies | eh? what's a boto? | 17:21 |
| Maluseth | it's not for an robotic arm specifically- i was thinking general mechanical engineering, control systems for say construction tools | 17:21 |
| brownies | you can read that one book. Think Like a Computer Scientist | 17:22 |
| brownies | also learn math, calculus, geometry, algebra, stochastics, data modelling, and linear algebra | 17:22 |
| Maluseth | ok. | 17:22 |
| @kanzure | brownies: boto is how you do aws things from python | 17:22 |
| brownies | then you'll be all set to build control systems. | 17:22 |
| Maluseth | i dont know if i can learn all that | 17:22 |
| Maluseth | but i will try. | 17:23 |
| Maluseth | in fact, from here and on, i'm going to keep a web log | 17:23 |
| Maluseth | and put my progress, - | 17:23 |
| Maluseth | of learning. | 17:23 |
| Maluseth | thank you guys. i want to eventually create something interesting | 17:23 |
| Maluseth | it'll take years but :) | 17:24 |
| Maluseth | i'm 19 btw | 17:24 |
| Maluseth | i quit school and | 17:24 |
| Maluseth | well, i dont know nothing | 17:24 |
| Maluseth | :P | 17:24 |
| @kanzure | well at least you got that part right (quitting school) | 17:25 |
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| Maluseth | what really? quitting school was good choice? | 17:25 |
| Maluseth | everyone's telling me i'm an idiot | 17:25 |
| Maluseth | for quitting | 17:25 |
| Maluseth | but so much freedom now | 17:26 |
| @kanzure | well, maybe you are an idiot | 17:26 |
| @kanzure | but it's not because of school | 17:26 |
| Maluseth | and it doesn't mean my aspirations in learning is gone | 17:26 |
| Maluseth | oh thanks a lot lol | 17:26 |
| Maluseth | yeah maybe i am. but i couldn't care less | 17:26 |
| Maluseth | as long as i learn something | 17:26 |
| Maluseth | so as a humble idiot in this channel allow me to learn. | 17:27 |
| Maluseth | but with this equipment i have - | 17:27 |
| Maluseth | i can't do shit | 17:27 |
| Maluseth | i'm using a IBM t42 with radeon mobility 7500 (32mb ram) | 17:28 |
| Maluseth | ROFL!!! | 17:28 |
| Maluseth | can't even learn CAD. | 17:28 |
| Maluseth | where can i start... | 17:28 |
| Maluseth | i'm thinking of making websites for people at like 100 bucks. will people use my service you think? | 17:29 |
| Maluseth | cheap? | 17:29 |
| Maluseth | if i can just make about 1200. i can get a CAD capable laptop with some good GPU power. | 17:29 |
| @kanzure | why are you pricing yourself so low? | 17:29 |
| Maluseth | because quantity | 17:29 |
| Maluseth | competition is everywhere | 17:30 |
| Maluseth | and i'm just gonna make static websites - where the client writes the content, | 17:30 |
| Maluseth | but i design the graphics | 17:30 |
| Maluseth | this way, i can save time making it, and the client should be happy | 17:30 |
| Maluseth | 'cause they usually don't know jack about hosting and domain | 17:31 |
| Maluseth | local businesses i mean | 17:31 |
| Maluseth | well, that's the theory anyway... | 17:31 |
| Maluseth | but i don't know where to advertise | 17:31 |
| Maluseth | if you guys can refer, let me know hahaha we'll price it 150 and split 50/50 | 17:32 |
| Maluseth | i'll do the work | 17:32 |
| Maluseth | i just need enough to get some equipments | 17:32 |
| @kanzure | so basically i charge $50,000 and you want only $100 of it | 17:33 |
| @kanzure | got it. | 17:33 |
| @kanzure | you should rethink your life | 17:33 |
| Maluseth | ummm | 17:33 |
| Maluseth | nobody would pay that haha | 17:33 |
| Maluseth | way i think is that... as long as i get what i need, | 17:34 |
| Maluseth | my sacrifice is only temporary | 17:34 |
| @kanzure | how do you know what they pay? you have zero experience | 17:34 |
| Maluseth | it seems most people pay about 500-2000 depending on the graphics and animation | 17:34 |
| Maluseth | sophisticated websites with scripts seem to be much higher | 17:34 |
| Maluseth | i dont have experience, but i read magazines | 17:35 |
| Maluseth | i live in a filipino community and everyone here dont know anything about computers | 17:35 |
| Maluseth | and the local businesses need some help maybe | 17:35 |
| ParahSailin | filipinos are awesome | 17:36 |
| @kanzure | maybe you should lower your price to $10/site | 17:36 |
| Maluseth | AWS = general cloud computing solution. linuxcnc = programming CNC machinary. Heroku = sounds like the real deal | 17:37 |
| Maluseth | kanzure = i can't. too time consuming. | 17:37 |
| ParahSailin | heroku runs on aws | 17:37 |
| Maluseth | i can't waste a year | 17:37 |
| Maluseth | on a 1200 equipment. i was thinking more like 2 weeks. | 17:37 |
| Maluseth | or a month :P | 17:37 |
| Maluseth | can i use heroku to prgram web stuff? | 17:38 |
| Maluseth | websites? | 17:38 |
| @kanzure | honestly heroku is too expnesive for you | 17:39 |
| Maluseth | yeah filipino people are very talented | 17:39 |
| Maluseth | oh | 17:39 |
| ParahSailin | heroku is a middleman reselling aws | 17:39 |
| Maluseth | maybe i should just get a job but thats too time consuming too | 17:39 |
| @kanzure | aws is too expensive for you too | 17:39 |
| @kanzure | basically if you're selling $100/site then the hosting costs will eat up your margin within a few months | 17:40 |
| Maluseth | well, at least i'd have some prospects to look forward to.. | 17:40 |
| @kanzure | i have changed my mind. you are definitely an idiot. | 17:40 |
| Maluseth | ....harsh kanzure. harsh. | 17:40 |
| Maluseth | i'm 19 man without any experience, don't jump to conclusions | 17:41 |
| Maluseth | anyways | 17:41 |
| Maluseth | wow kanzure i didn't expect that :{ | 17:42 |
| @kanzure | well, you can improve if you work hard at it. but you should do some basic math on the numbers you've been talking about. | 17:42 |
| @kanzure | $100/site works out to like $1/hour for 2 weeks of work and you end up with $0 for hosting. | 17:43 |
| Maluseth | not if i just duplicate the site with templates | 17:43 |
| Maluseth | im gonna ask them to give me samples of what site they want | 17:43 |
| @kanzure | clients aren't like that. | 17:43 |
| Maluseth | and copy it | 17:43 |
| Maluseth | i dont know if they have real standards, these filipino people are in their 40-50s | 17:44 |
| Maluseth | hardly browse the web... | 17:44 |
| Maluseth | it'll take me 1 hour to finish 1 website. hahaha | 17:44 |
| Maluseth | but gathering the clients is the difficult part. | 17:44 |
| Maluseth | but that's just one way making some cash. | 17:45 |
| Maluseth | so this stuff costs money huh? | 17:45 |
| ParahSailin | go ahead and charge $100 for the first one-- at that point youll have an idea of how much work it actually is and be able to revise your price appropriately | 17:45 |
| Maluseth | been downloading CAD softwares cracked | 17:45 |
| Maluseth | yeah prolly | 17:45 |
| Maluseth | but i made a website before | 17:45 |
| Maluseth | just basic layout takes only so long to make with dreamweaver | 17:46 |
| Maluseth | they grab the domain name and give me access to hosting | 17:46 |
| ParahSailin | whats dreamweaver | 17:46 |
| Maluseth | and i can edit and upload easily | 17:46 |
| Maluseth | visual html software | 17:46 |
| Maluseth | no need for codes | 17:46 |
| @kanzure | sigh don't use dreamweaver -_- | 17:46 |
| ParahSailin | is that kinda like a text editor? | 17:46 |
| @kanzure | ParahSailin: it's wysiwyg | 17:47 |
| ParahSailin | kanzure, i know what dreamweaver is | 17:47 |
| Maluseth | it's either that or frontpage hahaha | 17:47 |
| @kanzure | get out. i don't want anyone in here who thinks frontpage is a good idea. | 17:47 |
| Maluseth | dont worry i'll get some income rolling, even if i work nightshift at home depot | 17:47 |
| Maluseth | dude man, chill. i only used those 2 softwares. | 17:48 |
| ParahSailin | learn how to do it right, no fucking dreamweaver or frontpage | 17:48 |
| Maluseth | i dont know any more to have an opinion. | 17:48 |
| ParahSailin | all you need to use is a decent text editor-- sublime text 2 is a good newbie one for windows | 17:49 |
| Maluseth | i'm just trying to learn guys, don't discourage me too much. i'll eventually get it right. | 17:49 |
| nmz7871 | lol | 17:49 |
| Maluseth | ok ok | 17:49 |
| @kanzure | no, you're not trying to learn. so far you've completely ignored everything we've told you. | 17:49 |
| nmz7871 | i havent used frontpage since i was a young teenager | 17:49 |
| Maluseth | ok, so price it higher for my services, or get a job. once i have the money, experiment. until then, read. | 17:50 |
| Maluseth | :P | 17:50 |
| @kanzure | nmz7871: btw blackhatbio.com is ours, i'm soliciting ideas. yashgaroth wants pics of petri dishes with "NOT ANTHRAX" written on them. | 17:50 |
| @kanzure | "NOT ANTHRAX, 2L, $578.00" | 17:50 |
| nmz7871 | lol | 17:51 |
| @kanzure | 2L of a mystery fluid, aww yeah | 17:51 |
| Maluseth | sounds cool blackhatbio.com | 17:51 |
| nmz7871 | NOT XARHTNA | 17:51 |
| AdrianG | kanzure, i liak "not anthrax" | 17:51 |
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| Maluseth | storm "sandy" coming to my town | 17:52 |
| Maluseth | hope i'll survive this | 17:52 |
| @kanzure | nmz787: i was also thinking of a bitcoin organ exchange | 17:52 |
| Maluseth | i have so much to learn | 17:52 |
| @kanzure | Maluseth: why are you in here? | 17:53 |
| Maluseth | this channel is like the most amazing thing i came across | 17:53 |
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| AdrianG | organ exchange isnt really bio | 17:53 |
| Maluseth | you guys seem to be involved in so much different things | 17:53 |
| AdrianG | its more liek hacking | 17:53 |
| @kanzure | Maluseth: yes but i mean how did you find this channel? | 17:53 |
| @kanzure | AdrianG: organ harvesting exchange, then. | 17:53 |
| Maluseth | I was typing i think "hackerspaces" and i found your website | 17:54 |
| Maluseth | heybryan.org | 17:54 |
| Maluseth | Austin seems bit too far though | 17:54 |
| Maluseth | i live in Ontario, Canada | 17:54 |
| @kanzure | damn i must be great at seo | 17:55 |
| @kanzure | brownies: check that shit out | 17:55 |
| Maluseth | i searched for hours Kanzure don't give yourself too much credit :P | 17:55 |
| Maluseth | now to organize, and memo. research. | 17:56 |
| Maluseth | bbl | 17:56 |
| Maluseth | hoping to get a 8900 firepro installed in a laptop | 17:57 |
| Maluseth | with 4gb ram 2gb video memory | 17:57 |
| Maluseth | hope that's sufficient. im sure it is | 17:57 |
| Maluseth | for me anyway. | 17:57 |
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| @kanzure | yashgaroth: i still need a reasonable list of 'federal laws' to post to the blackhatbio.com 'seized' landing page. | 17:59 |
| @kanzure | "conspiracy to maybe think about committing copyright infringement" is insufficiently blackhat/bio. | 18:00 |
| @kanzure | "kidnapping/imprisonment" and "distribution of bioweapons" would be more interesting | 18:00 |
| yashgaroth | hmm are there like classified laws? "the following federal crimes: [REDACTED]" | 18:00 |
| @kanzure | nah there has to be something in the US code book | 18:01 |
| yashgaroth | that's a big book, I wonder if they've made it searchable | 18:01 |
| @kanzure | http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/175 | 18:01 |
| ParahSailin | there are numbers that are illegal to think about | 18:01 |
| @kanzure | "for other than prophylactic, protective, bona fide research, or other peaceful purposes." | 18:01 |
| yashgaroth | "imprisoned for life or any term of years" dang | 18:02 |
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| @kanzure | none of these sound like the names of charges, though | 18:03 |
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| @kanzure | so 1962(d) is "conspiracy to commit racketeering" and links to http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1962 | 18:04 |
| @kanzure | so i guess you can just make up fake charges based on line items from the us code | 18:04 |
| yashgaroth | in breach of articles I-X of the biological weapons convention? or would that be some sort of UN takedown | 18:05 |
| @kanzure | does the US give a fuck about the biological weapons convention? i'd have to check. | 18:05 |
| yashgaroth | that smallpox reserve is for totally peaceful purposes, also russkies | 18:06 |
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| brownies | kanzure: check what out? | 18:16 |
| @kanzure | ;/kick ybit | 18:17 |
| @kanzure | kdfja | 18:17 |
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| @kanzure | brownies: nevermind. the guy basically spent 5min using dreamweaver and then searched around the web figuring he was a master hacker or something. i don't know. | 18:17 |
| Jora | LOL! | 18:21 |
| brownies | that is funny. | 18:21 |
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| nano1 | kanzure: hi again. what does "sponsored by george church" mean in the description of this channel? | 18:38 |
| nano1 | that is, is George Church *actually* involved with this channel or is it ascribed to him by a third party? | 18:39 |
| yashgaroth | george church is humorously known to be on the board of/an advisor to, dozens of biotech companies | 18:39 |
| @kanzure | georgeinvolvd with everything | 18:39 |
| @kanzure | *george church is involved with everything | 18:39 |
| nano1 | yes, but even this? | 18:39 |
| yashgaroth | I'm surprised you didn't ask about the NRA | 18:39 |
| @kanzure | in a way, he is inside all of us. even now. i. | 18:39 |
| nano1 | hehe | 18:40 |
| nano1 | okay | 18:40 |
| @kanzure | *even now. inside all of us. | 18:40 |
| nano1 | i understand | 18:40 |
| JayDugger | Sponsored by the NRA, too? | 18:40 |
| yashgaroth | the second amendment guarantees gene guns for private citizens | 18:40 |
| yashgaroth | they have perfectly legitimate uses for deer transfections | 18:41 |
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| JayDugger | Good. Now pun about a well-regulated militia. | 18:51 |
| yashgaroth | ummm...a well regulated academia? | 18:53 |
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| JayDugger | kanzure, "does the US give a fuck about the biological weapons convention? i'd have to check." The short answer, yes. Nixon did two good things. He stopped US development of biological weapons and he went to China. A good source is Abliek's "Biohazard." | 20:13 |
| JayDugger | Nixon was otherwise a worthless piece of shit. | 20:13 |
| JayDugger | (From what I read in history books.) | 20:14 |
| jrayhawk | he's also responsible for grain diplomacy and grain subsidies | 20:18 |
| jrayhawk | which cost us a trillion dollars a year in medical costs | 20:18 |
| jrayhawk | medical costs which are projected to exceed GDP by 2030 | 20:19 |
| Maluseth | what do you guys think of ruby language compared to python? can you use it to make control systems for electrical/mechanical devices? | 20:20 |
| Maluseth | i'm just learning and i don't want to make a bad choice on my first language. | 20:21 |
| jrayhawk | Depends on what you're controlling. Task switching on modern X86 systems can be done something like 100khz, which may be a limiting factor depending on what kind of hardware interaction you're doing. | 20:22 |
| Maluseth | but it is possible then. what do you think is more easier to learn? ruby or python? | 20:23 |
| jrayhawk | Python's slightly faster, Ruby has a better object model, neither really have good realtime guarantees because they're GC languages | 20:23 |
| Maluseth | you can filter it through heroku ? | 20:24 |
| Maluseth | i mean if heroku is something that can speed things up? | 20:24 |
| jrayhawk | why... would... you control hardware through heroku | 20:24 |
| Maluseth | oh nvm i got it wrong | 20:24 |
| Maluseth | it's a language for connecting to cloud computing | 20:25 |
| Maluseth | sorry im learning | 20:25 |
| @kanzure | um. | 20:25 |
| Maluseth | which do you think is easier to learn? ruby or python? | 20:25 |
| Maluseth | python seems to be much more widely accepted in the academia? | 20:25 |
| @kanzure | you should learn both. | 20:25 |
| Maluseth | eventually, but to start off, what would be easier? | 20:25 |
| Maluseth | ruby seems very straight-forward? | 20:26 |
| Maluseth | i do need references though | 20:26 |
| jrayhawk | Ruby is more pleasant on account of syntax and object model, python is more practical on account of enormous collection of well-written libraries. | 20:26 |
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| jrayhawk | Neither is really appropriate for anything other than extremely primitive hardware work. | 20:26 |
| @kanzure | if you are making web applications, then ruby is a better choice because the rails community is huge. python's web development community is large but not nearly. | 20:26 |
| jrayhawk | anything more than, rather | 20:26 |
| Maluseth | i'd be happy to pull off that extremely "primitive" work hahaha | 20:27 |
| Maluseth | ruby on rails is = web application oriented ok | 20:27 |
| Maluseth | but python has more | 20:27 |
| Maluseth | references to draw on.. | 20:27 |
| Maluseth | err... ok | 20:28 |
| Maluseth | what should i learn if i were to learn both languages? | 20:28 |
| Maluseth | (not that i think it's even possible) | 20:28 |
| Maluseth | urrrrgh | 20:28 |
| Maluseth | sorry guys im trying to make the right choice | 20:29 |
| jrayhawk | voting ruby. | 20:29 |
| Maluseth | ok | 20:29 |
| Maluseth | then i guess i go over to C and C++ and stuff later right? | 20:30 |
| Maluseth | but that just looked extremely confusing and crazy. | 20:30 |
| jrayhawk | where did WhyTheLuckyStiff's Try Ruby thing go | 20:30 |
| jrayhawk | http://tryruby.org/ i guess | 20:31 |
| Maluseth | http://www.codeschool.com/courses/try-ruby | 20:31 |
| @kanzure | don't use codeschool | 20:32 |
| @kanzure | absolutely not | 20:32 |
| @kanzure | and don't use udacity either | 20:32 |
| @kanzure | they are idiots and don't know how to teach programming | 20:32 |
| Maluseth | they seem to originate from same source | 20:32 |
| @kanzure | yeah well it's bullshit | 20:32 |
| Maluseth | ok | 20:32 |
| Maluseth | what do you recommend? | 20:32 |
| @kanzure | i recommend the links i gave you. | 20:32 |
| Maluseth | ok thanks. | 20:32 |
| Maluseth | i guess what i'm looking for ultimately is 3 things: 1. web development. 2. electronics/mech eng 3. to be using cloud computing for somekind of bio experiment. | 20:33 |
| @kanzure | for bioinformatics-in-the-cloud you should use crossbow | 20:34 |
| Maluseth | those 2 languages is unlikely to suffice | 20:34 |
| @kanzure | which works on aws. | 20:34 |
| Maluseth | thank you | 20:34 |
| @kanzure | bioruby is a bioinformatics library for ruby and biopython is a bioinformatics library for python. so either way. | 20:34 |
| curt1s | hello | 20:34 |
| @kanzure | go away | 20:34 |
| Maluseth | ok | 20:34 |
| @kanzure | sorry, the keys are like right next to hello | 20:34 |
| Maluseth | LOL!!! | 20:35 |
| curt1s | anyone on the east coast | 20:35 |
| Maluseth | i am. | 20:35 |
| Maluseth | Ontario here | 20:35 |
| Maluseth | one woman got killed because of sandy storm already | 20:35 |
| Maluseth | bioruby and biopython | 20:35 |
| Maluseth | but you recommend crossbow for bioinformatics-in-the-cloud | 20:35 |
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| nano1 | JayDugger: Whoa, Ken Alibek is a bit of a fraud from what I've heard. While working at Ft. Detrick with the NCI, I heard that he drummed up a lot of that material in his book. I was shocked to find that out, b/c I was hoping to find him on the Detrick campus, but he was no longer there. | 20:36 |
| Maluseth | learning learning. organizing. | 20:36 |
| Maluseth | i am going to put EVERYTHING down in a web log | 20:36 |
| Maluseth | so you can review | 20:36 |
| curt1s | blog it | 20:36 |
| Maluseth | if anyone willing | 20:36 |
| @kanzure | i'm not going to review | 20:36 |
| Maluseth | ok | 20:36 |
| Maluseth | ok | 20:36 |
| Maluseth | i'll just make it for my own reference purposes | 20:36 |
| Maluseth | i'm hoping you would scan it so to tell me where i should go next etc | 20:37 |
| Maluseth | but that comes later | 20:37 |
| curt1s | a personal blog | 20:37 |
| curt1s | the best kind | 20:37 |
| Maluseth | i shalt make thee mentors proud | 20:37 |
| Maluseth | ok back to research | 20:37 |
| nano1 | Maluseth: I am using Learn Python the Hard Way. I would highly recommend it. | 20:40 |
| Maluseth | nano1: doesn't sound like an enticing title but I will look into it. thank you. | 20:40 |
| nano1 | Honestly, it's not that bad | 20:41 |
| @kanzure | that book isn't great | 20:41 |
| @kanzure | http://docs.python.org/tutorial/ | 20:42 |
| nano1 | well, there's always that! | 20:42 |
| Maluseth | ok thnx | 20:44 |
| Maluseth | i think i'll try out ruby and ruby on rails as a start. | 20:45 |
| Maluseth | python for =electrical mech engineering. | 20:45 |
| Maluseth | whatever i can make of it anyway. lol | 20:46 |
| @kanzure | what? why? | 20:46 |
| @kanzure | sigh | 20:46 |
| Maluseth | because no money for CAM equipments to use with python? | 20:46 |
| Maluseth | web development hardly costs any money | 20:46 |
| Maluseth | you said ruby on rails was for web development right? | 20:46 |
| ParahSailin | so's python | 20:46 |
| Maluseth | but much more support for ruby on rails right? | 20:47 |
| Maluseth | for references of learning. | 20:47 |
| @kanzure | there are equal references for both. | 20:47 |
| @kanzure | there are simply more useful gems for web development in ruby than there are eggs for web development in python. | 20:47 |
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| Maluseth | aha! thank you. then that settles it. | 20:48 |
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| Maluseth | i want to develop a nice site or a very controlled blog | 20:48 |
| Maluseth | as a start. eventually i'll make money and start buying equipments. | 20:48 |
| Maluseth | ok ruby it is. but gotta pull up my site first and start some online labour. | 20:49 |
| Maluseth | sent money to paypal from my bank account today, 6-8 business days. why so long sigh. | 20:49 |
| @kanzure | stop using paypal | 20:50 |
| @kanzure | stop using windows | 20:50 |
| Maluseth | do i need to learn ruby in order to learn ruby on rails? | 20:50 |
| @kanzure | you are making the most awful decisions | 20:50 |
| @kanzure | just dive into rails, you will learn ruby as you go. | 20:50 |
| Maluseth | i don't know any better. should i use linux? | 20:50 |
| Maluseth | got it. | 20:50 |
| Maluseth | which linux do you recommend using? ubuntu? | 20:51 |
| @kanzure | http://ruby.railstutorial.org/ruby-on-rails-tutorial-book | 20:51 |
| @kanzure | http://www.rubyinside.com/media/poignant-guide.pdf | 20:51 |
| @kanzure | go ahead and use ubuntu. | 20:51 |
| Maluseth | ok copying down the links. | 20:51 |
| Maluseth | i downloaded this software. DDS-CAD | 20:52 |
| @kanzure | why. | 20:52 |
| Maluseth | apparently it's a CAD made for architecture simplified | 20:52 |
| @kanzure | just use autocad for that. | 20:52 |
| @kanzure | sigh | 20:52 |
| Maluseth | because i want to design my own house, i'm gonna buy land - down Ontario | 20:52 |
| Maluseth | my friend is a construction worker and can get me materials i need for very cheap | 20:52 |
| Maluseth | autocad is complex? | 20:53 |
| Maluseth | DDS-CAD says they simplified everything so you can concentrate | 20:53 |
| Maluseth | but ok | 20:53 |
| @kanzure | what's complex about it exactly? | 20:53 |
| Maluseth | too many features for autocad | 20:53 |
| Maluseth | for dds-cad, they took out most features and left it raw | 20:54 |
| Maluseth | so they say | 20:54 |
| Maluseth | for a beginner, maybe it's easier to organize that way | 20:54 |
| Maluseth | also, my pc can only handle that software prolly | 20:54 |
| Maluseth | but crack didn't work :P | 20:54 |
| ParahSailin | what. | 20:55 |
| Maluseth | i'll just concentrate on the ruby on rails and make money to buy a new laptop | 20:55 |
| Maluseth | you apparently need a physical dongle to use the DDS-CAD | 20:55 |
| Maluseth | and it provided bypass crack file for that but didn't work :( | 20:55 |
| ParahSailin | why dont you get a job in alberta in the tar sands | 20:55 |
| Maluseth | i know! people have been telling me | 20:56 |
| Maluseth | alberta apparently has serious job openings there | 20:56 |
| Maluseth | but. i like my location for now | 20:56 |
| Maluseth | i mean, at the worst of the worst - i can get into a shelter system | 20:56 |
| Maluseth | and not go out in the streets lol | 20:57 |
| Maluseth | there's food banks everywhere around | 20:57 |
| Maluseth | so this is the best place for me to survive really | 20:57 |
| ParahSailin | tar sand jobs pay well | 20:57 |
| Maluseth | you'll never know if you get fired or not though i can't risk it with the money i *haven't saved up | 20:58 |
| ParahSailin | and you're already in canada, so it's not like you're losing out too much on climate | 20:58 |
| Maluseth | that's true | 20:58 |
| Maluseth | i don't know i actually thought about that for some time. my friend is a welder and he just got a job there | 20:58 |
| Maluseth | i got no skills in that area though, i want to learn these stuff | 20:59 |
| ParahSailin | i imagine thats a good place to learn on the job | 20:59 |
| Maluseth | maybe maybe i will look into it. i don't think my grandma would like it though. i live with her currently | 21:00 |
| ParahSailin | i have a machinist friend up there making six figures | 21:00 |
| Maluseth | i have to find a home for her... sigh... | 21:00 |
| Maluseth | wuw | 21:00 |
| Maluseth | my brain is empty. i gotta learn something first | 21:00 |
| Maluseth | anyways thanks back to research. | 21:01 |
| ParahSailin | chris2003@shaw.ca -- tell him you want to do entry level shit in the tar sands | 21:01 |
| Maluseth | wuw | 21:01 |
| Maluseth | that's a contact address | 21:01 |
| Maluseth | thanks | 21:01 |
| Maluseth | i'll think about it... | 21:01 |
| ParahSailin | tell him rob sent you | 21:02 |
| ParahSailin | dont think about it--- do it | 21:02 |
| Maluseth | i have complications with family here but really thank you for the contact | 21:02 |
| Maluseth | i do need money to learn... | 21:02 |
| ParahSailin | chris can probably tell you if its a reasonable proposition to be hired as an apprentice with not skills | 21:04 |
| Maluseth | it's minimum wage though right? | 21:04 |
| ParahSailin | you're asking the wrong person | 21:04 |
| Maluseth | i guesss it's a job that connects to what i want to learn though | 21:05 |
| Maluseth | are you sarah palin? | 21:05 |
| Maluseth | ROFL | 21:05 |
| yashgaroth | if it's anything like the US oil industry, it's far above minimum wage | 21:05 |
| ParahSailin | i can see canada from my house | 21:05 |
| Maluseth | cool | 21:05 |
| yashgaroth | downside is that most of your money is overtime, and it's fairly backbreaking labor | 21:06 |
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| nmz787 | http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57542285/sandy-leaves-nyc-dark-and-deluged/ | 22:24 |
| nmz787 | " CBS Correspondent John Miller reports hearing two loud booms, followed by complete darkness on the streets for about 20 blocks in either direction. " | 22:25 |
| Mokstar | nmz787: how are you liking it so far? | 22:25 |
| nmz787 | '"It's seems like this one's for real," Grvymala said of the coming storm.' | 22:25 |
| nmz787 | well, we just /came/ from NYC | 22:25 |
| Mokstar | have you discovered how infurating the drivers are here? | 22:25 |
| nmz787 | so I think we're doin a helluva lot better in light of this hurricane | 22:25 |
| nmz787 | :P | 22:25 |
| nmz787 | got a nice ranch house here in hillsboro | 22:25 |
| Mokstar | nice | 22:26 |
| bkero | portland is best coast | 22:26 |
| nmz787 | haven't had too much of a problem with drivers yet | 22:26 |
| Mokstar | they do silly things, like drive the speed limit | 22:26 |
| Mokstar | or lower | 22:26 |
| nmz787 | got some $3.5/lb pasture fed beef at new seasons, which is pretty damn cheap for grassfed | 22:26 |
| Mokstar | and don't get me started on pedestrians | 22:26 |
| Mokstar | it is | 22:26 |
| nmz787 | oh, man some cars totally slowed down from like 300 ft away, we were just standing by the street, i was on the phone so i didnt want to walk past them idling (loud), but they all stopped and kinda forced me to cross | 22:27 |
| nmz787 | that was weird | 22:27 |
| Mokstar | yeah, cops do street-crossing stings | 22:28 |
| Mokstar | I don't know about hillsboro | 22:28 |
| Mokstar | pedestrians just wander out into traffic | 22:28 |
| Mokstar | randomly, from anywhere on the sidewalk | 22:29 |
| nmz787 | well thats normal for a big city, its called jaywalking | 22:29 |
| nmz787 | lol | 22:29 |
| Mokstar | they don't have to do it | 22:30 |
| Mokstar | this isn't new york | 22:30 |
| Mokstar | the streets aren't jam packed with people | 22:30 |
| Mokstar | except sometimes | 22:30 |
| Mokstar | but normally, no | 22:30 |
| Mokstar | they have nice wide sidewalks | 22:30 |
| Mokstar | tons of street kids and bums though | 22:30 |
| Mokstar | but they're harmless enough | 22:30 |
| nmz787 | nah but i walk on the street to avoid weirdo bums | 22:30 |
| nmz787 | lol | 22:30 |
| nmz787 | go around a car | 22:30 |
| Mokstar | because the cops will beat them if they cause problems | 22:30 |
| nmz787 | or walk the hypotenuse | 22:31 |
| Mokstar | just ignore them, you'll be OK | 22:31 |
| nmz787 | hmm | 22:31 |
| Mokstar | or you can stop and devote years of your life to rehabilitate each one | 22:31 |
| nmz787 | lol | 22:31 |
| nmz787 | yes | 22:31 |
| Mokstar | but then that requires that you make certain assumptions about the purpose and nature of existence, and your right to interfere/aid another's path | 22:31 |
| Mokstar | or something like that | 22:32 |
| nmz787 | mmm | 22:32 |
| nmz787 | yeah but isnt there one of those theories that you can only assume you are the only thinking being, because you can't actually know if everyone else is a creation of your own mind | 22:33 |
| Mokstar | you can wash their feet, give them haircuts, coffee, and burritos | 22:33 |
| Mokstar | I think they do that on thursday nights | 22:33 |
| Mokstar | 11ish | 22:33 |
| nmz787 | weird | 22:35 |
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