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| kanzure | eri gentry again :\ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4k2uUW56ZU | 03:03 |
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| kanzure | weird. petroleum and cholesterol only show up twice in my meetlog. | 12:31 |
| jrayhawk | hmm. how to combine the two... | 12:36 |
| jrayhawk | superbacon | 12:36 |
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| kanzure | 13:25 <@brownies> a fermentosecond? | 13:26 |
| kanzure | 13:25 < kanzure> brownies: it's the time it takes for yeast to ferment | 13:26 |
| brownies | heh. | 13:27 |
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| kanzure | wut | 14:57 |
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| kanzure | "Is it socially acceptable to drink beer that includes even a trace amount of vaginal yeast?" | 18:43 |
| kanzure | i think i am on the weird part of the internet again | 18:43 |
| brownies | took you all of 24 hours since getting back on the internet eh | 19:04 |
| kanzure | http://www.youtube.com/user/petrmitrichev | 19:10 |
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| kanzure | http://discuss.biohack.me/discussion/315/what-would-you-want-in-a-biohacking-stores/p1 | 21:45 |
| kanzure | http://www.meetup.com/Bay-Area-Biohacking/ | 21:45 |
| kanzure | http://www.h-online.com/open/features/Community-Live-DIYbio-at-Manchester-Science-Festival-2012-1746724.html | 21:46 |
| strangewarp | Vaginal yeast beer? Honestly... culture the yeast en masse and market the beer to frats, instant microbrew success story! And only sort of unethical maybe | 21:49 |
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| kanzure | foucist: hi | 22:04 |
| foucist | AIEEEE! | 22:07 |
| foucist | it speaks to me | 22:07 |
| foucist | just autojoining up in here! | 22:08 |
| docl | hi foucist | 22:10 |
| docl | how goes? | 22:10 |
| foucist | decent! | 22:11 |
| foucist | how about you buddy? | 22:11 |
| * docl has been studying biochemistry | 22:11 | |
| docl | doing pretty good | 22:11 |
| foucist | cool beans | 22:11 |
| foucist | studying biochem on your own? | 22:11 |
| docl | yep | 22:11 |
| docl | wikipedia, online papers, etc. | 22:11 |
| foucist | cryonics bent? ;) | 22:11 |
| docl | yes | 22:11 |
| docl | absolutely :) | 22:12 |
| foucist | cryonics is simple.. just figure out how to stop all the molecules in our body simultaneously | 22:12 |
| docl | lately I've been learning metabolism related stuff like glycogen and glucose | 22:12 |
| foucist | or some way of storing our bodies in space | 22:12 |
| foucist | cool | 22:12 |
| docl | the idea with glycogen (the animal equivalent of starch) is to store glucose/sugar in a form with low molecular weight | 22:13 |
| docl | molecular weight basically is what causes osmotic pressure | 22:13 |
| docl | it is caused by there being lots of molecules dissolved in the solution | 22:14 |
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| docl | like salt and sugar | 22:14 |
| docl | with starch or other polymers (starch is a polymer btw) you pile a bunch of the basic molecule (aka monomer) together and that makes less molecular weight | 22:15 |
| docl | table sugar (sucrose) is a disaccharide made of glucose and it's mirror opposite, fructose | 22:15 |
| docl | there's another cool disaccharide called trehalose that protects dehydrating organisms | 22:16 |
| docl | it is made of two glucoses | 22:16 |
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| yashgaroth | glycogen has an extremely high molecular weight | 22:16 |
| yashgaroth | I think you mean it's insoluble so it doesn't suck up water like glucose does | 22:16 |
| docl | am I confused? hmm. | 22:16 |
| yashgaroth | all the glucoses are covalently bonded together so they form a single molecule | 22:17 |
| docl | I thought molecular weight was how many moles per unit of mass. I could be getting it wrong. | 22:17 |
| foucist | yashgaroth: but what about glycogen's osmotic pressure! | 22:17 |
| yashgaroth | since it's insoluble and not sucking up water around itself as much, it causes less osmotic pressure | 22:18 |
| foucist | docl: how does your molecular weight definition alter the fact that glycogen is heavy? | 22:19 |
| docl | foucist: I was assuming "weight" means something different in this context besides heaviness. | 22:19 |
| yashgaroth | docl, molecular weight is, like, the inverse of moles per unit of mass | 22:19 |
| yashgaroth | fewer mol(ecules) in a given weight | 22:20 |
| docl | ah, ok. | 22:20 |
| docl | ok. so sucrose (or trehalose) is 2x the number of atoms per molecule so twice the weight as either glucose or fructose. thus 1 gram of sucrose in 1 liter of water has half the effect on osmotic pressure as 1 gram of glucose. | 22:21 |
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| docl | because we have half the number of molecules, thus half the moles | 22:22 |
| docl | my reasoning is that glycogen is basically an extreme version of this... it has hardly any effect because we have thousands of glucose monomers per molecule. | 22:23 |
| ParahSailin | http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1263110/ | 22:26 |
| docl | ParahSailin: judging by the summary, they are using osmotic pressure to determine the molecular weight. | 22:31 |
| docl | The graph shows high osmotic pressure for the lower weight molecule | 22:31 |
| docl | (fig 4) | 22:32 |
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| docl | which makes sense with yashgaroth's explanation. big heavy molecules like glycogen = high molecular weight compared to little molecules like glucose. | 22:34 |
| docl | molar concentration is different though | 22:37 |
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| docl | high molar concentration (molality or molarity depending if we are measuring vs mass or vs volume) | 22:38 |
| ParahSailin | it's gotta have to do with activity-- for a molecule like glycogen, the activity coefficient couldnt be the same as for glucose | 22:41 |
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| kanzure | user123abc: are you sally | 22:54 |
| user123abc | never | 22:54 |
| kanzure | alright | 22:54 |
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| docl | hmm. not sure what the activity coefficient does in this context. | 23:00 |
| klafka | hey | 23:05 |
| klafka | kanzure | 23:05 |
| klafka | there you are | 23:05 |
| kanzure | hello | 23:07 |
| kanzure | klafka: yes i'm back | 23:07 |
| klafka | hey so i talked to people | 23:09 |
| klafka | they would like to know more | 23:10 |
| klafka | i can intro you if you'd like | 23:10 |
| kanzure | i would love intros | 23:11 |
| kanzure | gimme intros | 23:11 |
| kanzure | i can also throw together some slides | 23:12 |
| klafka | ok cool | 23:16 |
| klafka | yeah basically your 2 sentences weren't enough | 23:16 |
| klafka | um bu tthey wanted to make sure you're not boosting installs via whatever yo're doing | 23:16 |
| kanzure | ah, definitely not | 23:17 |
| kanzure | yeah that's easy for me to prove | 23:17 |
| kanzure | at worst there's only one install, but i do a fake "uninstall" which subtracts the number anyway | 23:17 |
| klafka | cool | 23:19 |
| klafka | yeah | 23:19 |
| klafka | ok im me what email yo want me to intro you under | 23:19 |
| kanzure | ah i haven't setup another email address yet | 23:20 |
| kanzure | klafka: i have emailed you another blurb. hopefully it is more descriptive. | 23:22 |
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| kanzure | setting up a call soemtime would be ideal | 23:26 |
| kanzure | *sometime | 23:26 |
| kanzure | these things usually happen via phone | 23:26 |
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| sheena | so i got some urine testing sticks off ebay. i'll be trying them out on 'healthy' dogs this weekend to see how they measure up | 23:37 |
| sheena | still seeking a refractometer though | 23:38 |
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