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| juri_ | sourceforge? ugh. | 00:00 |
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| @kanzure | eww eugen leitl uses openqwap | 07:55 |
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| @kanzure | gah i wish i knew about %cpaste in ipython earlier | 08:03 |
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| @kanzure | just some rom hacking stuff: | 10:38 |
| @kanzure | http://aurellem.org/vba-clojure/html/total-control.html (pokemon automation) | 10:38 |
| @kanzure | https://docs.google.com/viewer?pid=explorer&srcid=0Bz16_qdX0WIZSTVGSnBxeGstNGM&docid=517e737b0ccd07a76ee7abc863e7d923%7C5ad2bd8827a046134b30bf3902cdc58e&chan=EAAAAEE%2BVhIU6/3OGe73DwvASBIiRBAXReo/1/aClWvsTHtX&a=v&rel=zip;z4;n64_cic_nus_6105.c (banjo tooie key extractor) | 10:38 |
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| @kanzure | ah this is a better link for that last one: | 10:47 |
| @kanzure | http://forum.pj64-emu.com/showthread.php?t=2644 | 10:47 |
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| delinquentme | kanzure, are you in #rubyonrails | 10:48 |
| @kanzure | yes | 10:49 |
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| delinquentme | I'm looking for market advice. I'm seeking a class of wet-lab researchers who also happen to be programmers. Specifically I'm looking for a market of scientists who would be fast-adopters for open source lab hardware. I've got a shaker I'm building ( wildly unoriginal ... however its entirely open source hardware ) and I'm curious who you think might be quick to pick up this tech. | 11:05 |
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| yashgaroth | delinquentme that's about three people | 11:09 |
| delinquentme | yashgaroth, maybe | 11:10 |
| yashgaroth | why do I have to program the stirrer? I'm busy moving small volumes of liquid between vials | 11:10 |
| delinquentme | yashgaroth, I know that liquid handler =[ im just assuming that someone who would want to program it as well | 11:11 |
| delinquentme | would be the quickest adopters | 11:11 |
| @kanzure | delinquentme: you might have to accept that there are no adopters right now. but who cares? at least your own work would be greatly accelerated with it. | 11:11 |
| yashgaroth | but what am I programming? you're putting on a knob that has settings for RPMs, right? | 11:12 |
| delinquentme | yashgaroth, correct anyone can use it w/o programming it | 11:12 |
| delinquentme | but like marketing 101 is .. find a market of people who bleed, sweat and swear by your product | 11:12 |
| delinquentme | so like single speed bikes .. hipsters | 11:13 |
| delinquentme | i need hipsters for open source science | 11:13 |
| delinquentme | KANZURE! | 11:13 |
| delinquentme | bwahaha jk jk <3 | 11:13 |
| @kanzure | that's not marketing 101 | 11:13 |
| yashgaroth | you don't find a market, you build it | 11:13 |
| yashgaroth | you should hire one of these "growth hackers" I read so much about on ycomb | 11:14 |
| @kanzure | marketing 101 is not "build something, then complain that your customers don't exist" | 11:14 |
| delinquentme | lolol | 11:14 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, excuse me? | 11:14 |
| delinquentme | its funny .. but I cant tell if theres real substance there? | 11:14 |
| @kanzure | my interest in open hardware originates from the need to have shit that doesn't suck for projects, not because i think there's people willing to spend millions on it. if there happens to be people spending money on it, that's fantastic. but to my knowledge, there isn't, and there are systemic reasons for why this is. | 11:15 |
| @kanzure | marketing 101 is not "build a product that nobody wants" | 11:16 |
| @kanzure | marketing 101 owes nothing to open source hardware | 11:16 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, lets focus on the market aspect of the discussion... | 11:16 |
| delinquentme | what are the systematic reasons ? | 11:17 |
| yashgaroth | systematic reasons for what | 11:17 |
| @kanzure | we've talked about this before. i don't really feel like repeating everything because you'll just plug your ears and run off again. | 11:18 |
| delinquentme | TLDR | 11:19 |
| delinquentme | if you cant make it simple ... you dont understand it | 11:19 |
| @kanzure | fuck you and your tldr | 11:19 |
| @kanzure | get your redditisms out of here | 11:19 |
| @kanzure | BE GONE http://longform.org/ | 11:20 |
| @kanzure | (it's like a redditor's holy water) | 11:20 |
| delinquentme | haha | 11:20 |
| @kanzure | ok look, | 11:20 |
| * delinquentme sits and potatos | 11:21 | |
| @kanzure | your target demographic may not exist | 11:21 |
| delinquentme | true | 11:21 |
| @kanzure | there is definitely a target demographic of people who are into open source software who would like there to be more open source hardware out there, but these are not people working in a lab. | 11:21 |
| @kanzure | like yashgaroth said, there's probably only three wetlab people in the world that are programmers that are also into open source hardware and also want to replace their lab equipment with not proprietary crap, and who have any budget over $5 | 11:23 |
| delinquentme | In thinking ... this definitely solves a problem | 11:24 |
| delinquentme | but the thing is ... its a minor problem you know? | 11:24 |
| delinquentme | maybe? I cant help but feel like the things which are advertised by word of mouth are vastly superior to all alternatives for a huge number of people | 11:25 |
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| @kanzure | what does word of motuh have to do with anything? you're jumping around again. | 11:25 |
| @kanzure | have you collected the 10 signed statements of intents to purchase from people yet? | 11:26 |
| @kanzure | it's one of the things you probably don't remember us telling you to do.. | 11:26 |
| delinquentme | word of mouth is that stuff that the core user group does | 11:27 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, on the LH no | 11:27 |
| delinquentme | I've got 2 for the shaker | 11:27 |
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| @kanzure | some dna assembly papers: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bio/dna-assembly/ | 12:13 |
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| @kanzure | bleep | 16:58 |
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| abetusk | evening | 18:07 |
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| juri_ | bloop! | 19:29 |
| juri_ | re: opensource shaker. one of the wins with free software is the ability to 'bend' the product in ways that the designers did not intend. is the speed controllable via a microcontroller? this ability might come in useful. | 19:32 |
| juri_ | I'm looking at reproducing the 'cell pick-and-place machine' i see documented poorly. | 19:33 |
| brownies | what's a cell pick-and-place machine? | 19:38 |
| @kanzure | it's like a normal pick and place machine except instead of smt components it places cells. | 19:39 |
| @kanzure | he probably means "3d printer" though. | 19:40 |
| brownies | ah | 19:41 |
| juri_ | she, but yes, i'm wanting to 3d print cells. currently studying extracelular matricies. | 19:43 |
| @kanzure | she what? | 19:43 |
| juri_ | as in 'thats my pronoun, don't wear it out'? | 19:44 |
| @kanzure | alright | 19:44 |
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| @fenn | i have no idea where i remember this from http://www.4spepro.org/view.php?source=003733-2011-06-14 | 19:52 |
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| nmz787 | sup | 20:08 |
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| @kanzure | ParahSailin: hi | 21:29 |
| @kanzure | nmz787: anyone who uses plasmids or genome mutation techniques. | 21:38 |
| nmz787 | but like some specific disease that needs lots of very different plasmids | 21:55 |
| nmz787 | or libraries of mutants | 21:55 |
| nmz787 | is there a NIH call for studies or something | 21:55 |
| nmz787 | that I could keyowrd search? | 21:56 |
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