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| @fenn | huh. learn something every day. "supermarket meat, has been “wet aged” to increase tenderness and flavour. This means it has been refrigerated in vacuum packs for around three months before sale." | 01:03 |
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| @kanzure | beep. | 01:03 |
| @kanzure | oh look a person. | 01:03 |
| @fenn | r u a bot | 01:04 |
| @fenn | :< | 01:04 |
| @kanzure | yes | 01:04 |
| @kanzure | i was just thinking to myself, "damn, this channel has been quiet, i need to beep" and then something happened. | 01:04 |
| @kanzure | tautology | 01:05 |
| @fenn | the tautology appeared because it was necessary | 01:05 |
| @kanzure | because it was necessary to make me not look like an idiot? | 01:06 |
| @kanzure | this is a bizarre question.. "empirical evidence for the value of version control?" http://www.neverworkintheory.org/?p=451 | 01:11 |
| @kanzure | renaming a file to whatever2.dat, while stupid, is still a form of version control, and i'm pretty sure people do it anyway. any copy that exists somewhere else is "version control".. but it might just be a very weak form of control. | 01:12 |
| @fenn | anything is anything, and everything! 1=1==1!!111 | 01:14 |
| @kanzure | huh? | 01:14 |
| @kanzure | i think asking for data on evidence of the effectiveness of certain practices is legitimate | 01:14 |
| @fenn | no, "any copy that exists somewhere" is not version control. | 01:15 |
| @kanzure | it's certainly not usable version control.. | 01:15 |
| @fenn | i agree, scientific studies of programming methods is important | 01:15 |
| @fenn | i haven't seen anything since th 1970's though unfortunately | 01:16 |
| @kanzure | mitmproxy needs annotations or some way to note wtf the request was caused by or for. | 01:22 |
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| @fenn | kanzure: possibly relevant to you, " I have had Asperger’s-like personality traits since childhood. Since taking thyroxine, I no longer score in the Asperger’s range. I have comorbid Attention Deficit Disorder, which has much improved since taking thyroxine, though it is not cured. This is because hypothyroidism causes low levels of dopamine and serotonin." | 01:27 |
| @kanzure | why would i possibly want these symptoms to go away? | 01:27 |
| @fenn | because hypothyroidism will eventually kill you | 01:28 |
| @fenn | also iirc your mom has thyroid issues | 01:30 |
| @kanzure | yes she does | 01:30 |
| @kanzure | i believe it's called "being half lizard" | 01:30 |
| @fenn | heh | 01:31 |
| @fenn | apparently low thyroid makes you lose calcium and supplementing with calcium helps with focus and energy | 01:36 |
| @fenn | which can be done by drinking milk | 01:37 |
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| archels | http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/interactive/2012/dec/13/how-people-die-global-mortality-visualised | 07:50 |
| archels | cancer doesn't seem to be growing very much at all | 07:51 |
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| jrayhawk | calcium supplementation is a little unwise without A/D and especially K2 supplementation | 12:06 |
| jrayhawk | when you don't provide calcium management molecules, calcium winds up all over the place | 12:10 |
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| jrayhawk | i.e. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18198394?dopt=AbstractPlus | 12:18 |
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| jrayhawk | http://www.bmj.com/content/333/7572/775 well, all over the place *except* your bones | 12:34 |
| jrayhawk | http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9092314 also | 12:35 |
| jrayhawk | http://www.westonaprice.org/fat-soluble-activators/x-factor-is-vitamin-k2 is a fun read | 12:36 |
| jrayhawk | hmm. 50-60 years before mainstream science took it seriously. on par with penicillin. | 12:41 |
| jrayhawk | i wonder if that number is magic | 12:41 |
| jrayhawk | an entire generation's worth of authoritarian baggage dying off or something | 12:42 |
| jrayhawk | authoritarian intellectual baggage | 12:43 |
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| technicus | Hello. | 17:13 |
| @kanzure | yes? | 17:14 |
| @kanzure | it's been a while. | 17:14 |
| @kanzure | fenn: well apparently they made it open access | 17:16 |
| @kanzure | fenn: http://themerckindex.chemfinder.com/themerckindex/Forms/Home/ContentArea/Home.aspx | 17:16 |
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| technicus | Does anyone here have suggestions on how to become a self taught mathmatician? | 17:24 |
| emancipated | technicus: open course ware | 17:30 |
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| technicus | emancipated: Thanks :) | 17:33 |
| brownies | technicus: read books | 17:37 |
| technicus | brownies: Yes :) | 17:39 |
| technicus | brownies: Which books? | 17:39 |
| brownies | technicus: it really depends how much you know at the moment | 17:39 |
| brownies | it also depends how theoretical you want to get | 17:39 |
| technicus | brownies: Pre-algebra. | 17:40 |
| brownies | oh wow. you're in high school or something? | 17:40 |
| brownies | honestly, while i disagree with almost everything about math education in US schools, i will say the ordering is not totally useless. algebra => geometry => trigonometry => calculus, or somesuch. | 17:41 |
| brownies | once you make it through calculus, then you can start wandering in a variety of directions | 17:42 |
| brownies | but having some exposure to the basics and understanding the ideas of calculus is pretty important. | 17:42 |
| @kanzure | with only knowledge of pre-algebra topics, i'm curious why you're interested in math. you're not even to the fun stuff. everything pre-algerba tends to be boring and things like "can you add" and "can you subtract". | 17:47 |
| technicus | brownies: Yes that is the idea. I am realizing that it will be necessary to understand how to evaluate myself while learning these subjects. | 17:47 |
| brownies | incidentally, we're building some software to teach people math. | 17:47 |
| @kanzure | when brownies says we he means himself | 17:47 |
| brownies | check back with me in like 3 months and i'll throw you an invite | 17:48 |
| technicus | brownies: THAT IS EXCITING! | 17:48 |
| brownies | kanzure: we do not approve of your clarification of our usage of the royal we | 17:48 |
| brownies | technicus: anyway, evaluating yourself is straightforward. you do exercises. | 17:49 |
| brownies | the tricky part is finding someone to evaluate your solutions, but if your'e clever, you can do that yourself. | 17:49 |
| @kanzure | also, read all of wikipedia, and then do it again | 17:49 |
| @kanzure | it is also helpful if you happen to know something else, like programming, because then you can just go learn R and approach math from a programming perspective to get a good grip. | 17:50 |
| technicus | brownies: I am interested in your math teaching softwares project, as I am currently trying to learn Octave. | 17:50 |
| brownies | kanzure: the tricky part is reading it in the right oder. | 17:50 |
| @kanzure | but if you don't do any programming, sympy/mathematica/matlab will look like pure evil | 17:50 |
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| @kanzure | ah octave | 17:50 |
| brownies | technicus: oh, well, stop that, and go learn MATLAB instead. | 17:50 |
| @kanzure | what | 17:51 |
| brownies | Octave is for poor unwashed hippies. | 17:51 |
| @kanzure | pfft | 17:51 |
| brownies | ...and open-source nuts. | 17:51 |
| @kanzure | you got me there | 17:51 |
| brownies | the industry runs on Matlab | 17:51 |
| technicus | brownies: And bumbs on the side of the street who cant afford to go to colledge, because everything is too danmed expensive. | 17:52 |
| @kanzure | just go download a copy of matlab | 17:52 |
| @fenn | technicus: get a copy of mathematica and play around with it | 17:52 |
| technicus | I have to settle with Octave and being my own math professor because I can't afford tuition, books, or expensive software. | 17:53 |
| @fenn | then read about what you don't understand on mathworld | 17:53 |
| @kanzure | if you're paying for books, you're doing something wrong.. | 17:53 |
| @fenn | (actually, i've never found a good online math site, any ideas?) | 17:53 |
| emancipate | I like that statement kanzure :) | 17:53 |
| @kanzure | how is mathworld not good? | 17:53 |
| emancipate | project gutenburg has free math/physics books | 17:54 |
| @fenn | it's very concise. sometimes that's good, but when you're totally new to the area it doesn't help | 17:54 |
| brownies | wikipedia and mathworld are solid math sites. | 17:54 |
| brownies | *math* is concise. =P | 17:54 |
| @fenn | wikpedia is awful at explaining anything mathematical | 17:54 |
| @kanzure | mathoverflow is pretty awesome too, but it's anti-newbie | 17:54 |
| brownies | i owe at least half my degree to wikipedia | 17:54 |
| brownies | maybe you're just awful at understanding anything mathematical -_- | 17:54 |
| @fenn | well anyway.. mathworld >> wikipedia | 17:55 |
| @fenn | maybe you're right | 17:55 |
| brownies | technicus: as for books, if you ask around, there are lots of good free recommendations. | 17:55 |
| @fenn | i often find math easier to understand when presented as an algorithm instead of an equation | 17:55 |
| brownies | in my experience it's best to read the textbook, *then* go to wikipedia to get another explanation of it while you do the exercises | 17:55 |
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| @fenn | yeah | 17:57 |
| @fenn | math books are where it's at, unfortunately | 17:57 |
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| erasmus | Is Obama gonna take all the guns away from the rednecks and republicans now? | 17:58 |
| @fenn | no | 17:59 |
| @kanzure | erasmus: please, leave that crap out of the channel | 17:59 |
| erasmus | oh snap, wrong channel | 17:59 |
| @fenn | do we need really to add a "no politics" clause? it should go without saying | 17:59 |
| technicus | Hey this channel is awesome . . . thanks :) | 17:59 |
| emancipate | you could make a bot that auto kicks on key words ;) | 18:00 |
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| @kanzure | i am a bot | 18:00 |
| emancipate | lol | 18:00 |
| emancipate | thanks for the interesting read http://anselmlevskaya.com/ | 18:00 |
| emancipate | is there other sources that suppliments his whitepapers? | 18:01 |
| @kanzure | yes, they are called supplements on the publishers' sites | 18:01 |
| @fenn | supplements are bad mmkay | 18:02 |
| @kanzure | they are bad but that doesn't mean they don't exist | 18:02 |
| emancipate | anyone here playing with optogenetics already? I would love to follow your progress | 18:03 |
| @kanzure | anselm has dropped optogenetics for various reasons | 18:03 |
| emancipate | ohh | 18:03 |
| @kanzure | fenn: i recal his complaint was something like "it's really not as great as it's been made out to be", or something | 18:04 |
| @kanzure | i imagine he might have given you a more specific complaint at some point? | 18:04 |
| @fenn | he was frustrated with the state of gene synthesis and its lack of availability to academics, and this was hindering his research with zebrafish | 18:04 |
| @fenn | it's too expensive so they make researchers do it by hand, which just wastes their time | 18:05 |
| @fenn | i dont recall any complaints about optogenetics, aside from the voltage sensitive dyes being very difficult to work with | 18:06 |
| @fenn | s/dye/reporter protein/ | 18:06 |
| technicus | brownies: On what platforms do you plan to deploy the software that you are designing? | 18:07 |
| emancipate | too bad, it looked promising | 18:07 |
| curt1s | http://lethalsoftware.tumblr.com/ | 18:08 |
| curt1s | :D | 18:08 |
| @fenn | so pausing work on neuroscience to work on broader access to gene synthesis seems like a reasonable compromise | 18:08 |
| @kanzure | i thought he was working on sequencing | 18:08 |
| @fenn | no, it's sequence directed synthesis, or something like that | 18:08 |
| @fenn | if there's a typo the machine re-synthesizes that strand | 18:08 |
| @kanzure | silly biologists and their naming schenes | 18:09 |
| @fenn | since they have physical position control over the dna bead you can do stuff like that even in large parallel synthesis reactions | 18:09 |
| @kanzure | the majority of sequencing techniques requires synthesis anyway, which further confuses things | 18:09 |
| @fenn | where is the info about what they're doing coming from? i don't see anything on cambriangenomics.com | 18:10 |
| @kanzure | they had a private presentation at the FBI/DTRA thing that i wasn't allowed to type notes for | 18:10 |
| @fenn | pbthbt | 18:10 |
| @kanzure | naturally, that means i don't remember a thing of consequence | 18:10 |
| @kanzure | i remember other useless details though, like a picture of a machine with lots of tubes. gee thanks austen. | 18:11 |
| @kanzure | oh they updated their site. it used to be a redirect to angel.co somewhere. | 18:12 |
| @kanzure | https://angel.co/cambrian-genomics | 18:12 |
| @fenn | the laser shoots reaction site beads off a slide into an array of sequencers | 18:12 |
| @fenn | to verify the sequence got synthesized correctly | 18:12 |
| @kanzure | "1 day ago: National Science Foundation Awards Cambrian Genomics SBIR Phase I: DNA Laser Printing for Low Cost Gene & Genome Synthesis" | 18:12 |
| @kanzure | they did a SBIR? | 18:12 |
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| @fenn | news to me | 18:13 |
| @kanzure | SBIR seems like an odd choice for them? weren't they going around trying to raise VC funding? | 18:13 |
| @kanzure | wasn't that the whole point of involving george church? | 18:13 |
| @fenn | SBIR lets you keep a larger share of equity | 18:14 |
| @fenn | also they need time more than money | 18:15 |
| * fenn shrugs | 18:15 | |
| @kanzure | damn, i need to plant another mole at langton | 18:18 |
| * fenn mumbles something about jeremy guillory | 18:21 | |
| @fenn | it seems they decided the pods are unfit for permanent residence | 18:21 |
| @kanzure | i can never remember who jeremy is | 18:21 |
| @kanzure | i think he worked for matt campbell at one point? | 18:21 |
| @kanzure | and that's how i know him? | 18:21 |
| @fenn | yeah, the desk right behind us, but he was never there | 18:22 |
| @fenn | i guess he worked on his laptop in a cafe because he didnt like being inside | 18:22 |
| @kanzure | well he was also a "manager" at a startup thing that i was involved in (it wasn't a company, just some community-event-thing) | 18:22 |
| @fenn | hardware startups though, i think it's a pretty small world still | 18:23 |
| @fenn | hell nick pinkston's last hardware startup meetup was at alangton | 18:23 |
| technicus | "Red Dwarf X" | 18:25 |
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| @fenn | wow, straight out of dystopian sci fi, reading "the last psychiatrist's blog" "I get that they have a lot of antipsychotics in Washington DC, but do you know what they don't have a lot of in Washington DC? Riots. I guess it all worked out, I have no idea how but you can't argue with results, ask the Athenians and Madridians if their system worked better." | 18:30 |
| @kanzure | does "having a lot of antipsychotics" mean "lots of people taking antipsych-category medication"? | 18:31 |
| @fenn | yes | 18:31 |
| @fenn | "we're not medicating a diagnosis, we're using a diagnosis to justify the medication we have to use anyway because we have nothing else to do but give out medications." | 18:32 |
| emancipate | anyone familiar with fluride and its effects on the brain is like a lobotomy? | 18:32 |
| @fenn | "we're not medicating a diagnosis, we're using a diagnosis to justify the medication we have to use anyway because we have nothing else to do but give out medications." | 18:33 |
| @fenn | er, "the most important reason a medication was used is that the patient showed up, and they showed up because that's where the state told them to go. " | 18:33 |
| @fenn | it's not like we don't know this but it's surprising to hear a psychiatrist say it | 18:33 |
| brownies | ah, that math-illiterate guy left. ah well. | 18:37 |
| @kanzure | i think http://wifis.org/ would be more interesting if you could auto-whitelist mac addresses based on social groups, or some other mechanism to incentivize mesh networks actually happening | 18:37 |
| @fenn | fixing bug 82 in android would go a long way toward that | 18:38 |
| @fenn | but that's a corporate policy decision that isn't going to change any time soon | 18:38 |
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| emancipate | kanzure: people could also spoof those :/ | 18:38 |
| @kanzure | http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=82 | 18:38 |
| @kanzure | emancipate: so? | 18:39 |
| emancipate | I guess it could stop most... | 18:39 |
| emancipate | just not the most persistent | 18:39 |
| @fenn | emancipate: huh? | 18:39 |
| @kanzure | he probably means mac address spoofing | 18:39 |
| emancipate | mac spoofing | 18:39 |
| emancipate | yeah, unless you meant something else :/ | 18:40 |
| @fenn | i like the idea of a mechanism to provide contact info | 18:40 |
| @kanzure | doesn't matter if mac addresses can be spoofed.. worse case scenario is that you have the server send you a new mac address, which you use to connect temporarily | 18:40 |
| @fenn | it's hard enough to just find someone's email address these days | 18:40 |
| @kanzure | fenn: also, something about auto-identifying mesh networks is useful | 18:41 |
| @fenn | who cares about spoofing, the goal is to provide access | 18:41 |
| @fenn | some evil hacker who knows how to spoof mac addresses has already cracked your pititful WEP encryption | 18:41 |
| @kanzure | you mean everyone in here? heh. | 18:42 |
| emancipate | wow what is the goal of this group, some sort of localized public intranet? | 18:42 |
| @fenn | no it's to encourage communication between humans in physical regions on planet earth | 18:43 |
| emancipate | pretty cool | 18:43 |
| * fenn shrugs | 18:43 | |
| @kanzure | fenn: i think another issue is that even if a mesh network does exist somewhere, you're unlikely to know about it unless you look at each wifi network name and see something peculiar | 18:43 |
| @fenn | there were better proposals, microformats for example, but it never took off for some reason | 18:43 |
| @kanzure | or unless somoen tells you | 18:44 |
| emancipate | if its doable with an android phone, it might be posible to make a homebrew peplink router | 18:44 |
| @kanzure | how is an android phone considered homebrew precisely? | 18:44 |
| emancipate | and use several internet sources and pipe it into one fast connection | 18:44 |
| @fenn | kanzure: why is it important that it's a mesh network? | 18:44 |
| emancipate | just the adhoc part | 18:45 |
| @kanzure | fenn: it's not | 18:45 |
| @fenn | now i'm confused | 18:45 |
| emancipate | lol sorry, just thinking out loud | 18:45 |
| @kanzure | everyone and their mom keeps posting on the internet about their radical new networking idea | 18:45 |
| @kanzure | and all you need is a million people with pringles cans to setup the network | 18:45 |
| @kanzure | except it rarely goes anywhere useful | 18:46 |
| @kanzure | part of this is because willing participants don't know about the rollout | 18:46 |
| @kanzure | and another part is that your members are too distant to setup a usable link on their own | 18:46 |
| @fenn | huh. i'm now http://www.wifis.org/foo | 18:46 |
| emancipate | hmm what the group is trying to do looks like what jesager already does | 18:48 |
| @fenn | i think protocol incompatibility and fragmentation is a bigger obstacle than simple ignorance | 18:48 |
| @kanzure | 802.11? | 18:48 |
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| @fenn | that's just the data link, there's also routing that needs to happen | 18:49 |
| emancipate | www.digininja.org/jasager/ i'm sure it could be tweaked for adhock | 18:49 |
| emancipate | adhoc* even | 18:49 |
| @kanzure | i bet instead of towns appearing near rivers in africa they will appear near hotspots or places that connectivity doesn't entirely suck | 18:51 |
| @kanzure | oops wait, teleology bites me again | 18:51 |
| emancipate | I remember a newspost about some african traffic lights being broken into to get the sim card, for unlimited dialup internet | 18:51 |
| @kanzure | why is that dialup? | 18:52 |
| @fenn | someone join wifis with this link, i want another ID http://www.wifis.org/?invite=FCnEfD8joPwkHjH2NCprjQN4DNARl-QS | 18:52 |
| @kanzure | a sim card would imply 2g or 3g | 18:52 |
| emancipate | dunno | 18:52 |
| emancipate | might be all they had | 18:52 |
| @kanzure | what? | 18:52 |
| emancipate | not sure about the accuracy of the post anyway | 18:52 |
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| @kanzure | fenn: or you could just put your email address in the ssid | 19:14 |
| @fenn | oh sure, but that would be too easy | 19:15 |
| @fenn | and besides, what about the roving swarms of quadcopters searching for new ways to threaten our privacy for their spammer overlords | 19:17 |
| * fenn sighs with nostalgia for the future | 19:17 | |
| @fenn | i wonder how skyhook gets their data | 19:18 |
| @fenn | actually it's trivial nowadays with every phone having gps and wifi | 19:19 |
| @fenn | "In 2007, scientists identified specific anticancer mechanisms for vitamin K2, including inhibition of proinflammatory nuclear factor-kappa B (NFkB) that is often over-expressed in cancer cells." | 19:20 |
| @fenn | gosh it seems everything and their grandmother affects NFkB | 19:21 |
| @fenn | i wish statements like this were accompanied by quantitative estimates of the magnitude of th effect | 19:22 |
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| @fenn | it's amazing k2 supplements are so expensive; how hard could it be to synthesize this? | 19:43 |
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| @kanzure | sigh how is there still no .deb for android-sdk? | 19:49 |
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| emancipated | http://www.ekac.org/nat.hist.enig.html | 20:11 |
| brownies | fenn: k2? | 20:12 |
| brownies | oh, the vitamin. | 20:13 |
| @fenn | it's another one of those weird quinone things | 20:15 |
| @fenn | man, deaf smith county texas seems to be the place to go if you have heart disease | 20:17 |
| emancipated | is there current similar work like that petunia thing? | 20:22 |
| @fenn | bad art pseudoscientific wankery? | 20:23 |
| emancipated | yeah :) | 20:23 |
| @fenn | sure, stelarc is still running around | 20:23 |
| @fenn | i guess you meant something with genetic engineering | 20:23 |
| emancipated | yes, with viruses thats a diy hobbyist could play with | 20:24 |
| @kanzure | why does it have to be viruses? | 20:24 |
| yash-phone | he didn't use viruses | 20:25 |
| yash-phone | or rather, the people he paid to do it, didn't | 20:25 |
| emancipated | didnt he? ohh. | 20:25 |
| yash-phone | the wankery was all him though | 20:25 |
| @kanzure | why would you assume a virus was involved? | 20:25 |
| @fenn | i think he meant vector | 20:26 |
| yash-phone | either agrobacterium or a gene gun | 20:26 |
| emancipated | CoYMV (Commelina Yellow Mottle Virus) Promoter | 20:26 |
| emancipated | from what I understand its what introduced his dna, is that wrong? | 20:27 |
| @kanzure | do you know what a promoter is | 20:27 |
| @fenn | sigh.. go read a molecular biology text book please | 20:27 |
| emancipated | no sorry, really really new | 20:27 |
| emancipated | ok will do | 20:27 |
| yash-phone | isn't this the guy who did the glowing rabbit | 20:27 |
| @fenn | snyder & champness is alright | 20:27 |
| @kanzure | stelarci s not worth your time | 20:28 |
| emancipated | thanks I'll look into snyder and champness | 20:28 |
| @fenn | we've got some ebooks online somewhere around here | 20:28 |
| @fenn | oh my i really do need to tidy up | 20:29 |
| @fenn | i haven't read these but hopefully one of them is decent: http://fennetic.net/irc/bio_books/ | 20:37 |
| emancipated | thanks | 20:37 |
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| @kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/books has some more | 20:41 |
| emancipated | thanks for that too | 20:41 |
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| @kanzure | abetusk: http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/faq/books/ | 20:43 |
| abetusk | thanks | 20:43 |
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| @fenn | i'd love a tv series just about molecular biology, all 3d graphics and explanations of how stuff works | 20:50 |
| @fenn | narrated by david attenborough | 20:50 |
| @kanzure | you'll have to do with youtube videos, oh the horror | 20:51 |
| @fenn | animations like http://molecularmovies.com/showcase/ especially the ones by drew barry | 20:52 |
| @fenn | drew berry* | 20:52 |
| emancipated | this is great, nice links and books... would keep me busy for months if not years :) | 20:55 |
| @kanzure | so? | 20:55 |
| @kanzure | i mean, be faster? | 20:55 |
| emancipated | thank you :) | 20:55 |
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| @fenn | it should only take 1 year :P | 20:56 |
| @kanzure | any of you jerks have an android image with iptables working? | 20:56 |
| @fenn | what are you setting out on a crusade to implement mesh networking on android? | 20:56 |
| @kanzure | i'm trying to avoid re-compiling redsocks/proxydroid for android-x86 | 20:57 |
| @kanzure | it looks like redsocks-for-android was compiled with some custom-patched libevent, which means i would probably have to mess around with libevent too | 20:57 |
| @kanzure | also, it turns out there's no image of cyangenmod that is meant for an emulator | 20:59 |
| @kanzure | *cyanogenmod | 20:59 |
| emancipated | 404 on molecular biology of a gene | 20:59 |
| @kanzure | yes i'm aware | 20:59 |
| @kanzure | edit the page if you care so much, it's a wiki | 20:59 |
| abetusk | fenn, nmz787, hows the laser cutter coming? | 20:59 |
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| Thorbinator | eeeeeeeeeee new foal necromancer chapter | 22:45 |
| Thorbinator | wrong channel, sorry | 22:45 |
| sylph_mako | Fucking. Fantastic. | 23:07 |
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