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| qu-bit | kanzure: that's uh | 00:21 |
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| qu-bit | grapes | 00:21 |
| qu-bit | how can they buy a grape compound? | 00:21 |
| @fenn | genetically engineered bacteria to produce it can be patented | 00:22 |
| qu-bit | but then it'd be a patent for that specific method of production | 00:22 |
| @fenn | correct | 00:23 |
| qu-bit | kanzure: that was missing a plural signifier | 00:23 |
| @fenn | i know about mozilla's sync | 00:23 |
| qu-bit | doesn't cache tabs? | 00:24 |
| @fenn | tabs in tab sets remain in RAM | 00:24 |
| qu-bit | increase your pagefile? | 00:24 |
| @fenn | everything bogs down nonetheless | 00:24 |
| qu-bit | lightweight firefox? | 00:25 |
| @fenn | what does that mean | 00:25 |
| @fenn | fennec? give me a break | 00:25 |
| qu-bit | alternative gecko browser | 00:25 |
| qu-bit | midori | 00:25 |
| @fenn | yes i am using midori now | 00:26 |
| @fenn | still too many tabs though | 00:26 |
| qu-bit | have you tried tab groups? | 00:27 |
| qu-bit | ctrl+shift+e | 00:27 |
| qu-bit | you can dump tabs into the background | 00:27 |
| @fenn | yes, that's what i meant by "tab sets" | 00:27 |
| @fenn | it's a terribly primitive interface and doesn't work for a large number of tabs | 00:28 |
| @fenn | you can't even make sets of sets | 00:28 |
| @fenn | i don't like firefox's trend toward reinventing the wheel either | 00:29 |
| qu-bit | in what sense? | 00:29 |
| @fenn | the window borders in the tab group interface | 00:29 |
| qu-bit | theme independent | 00:30 |
| qu-bit | not the most attractive grabbers | 00:30 |
| @fenn | i dont care if it's attractive, the fact that they wrote a new system in the first place means something it wrong | 00:31 |
| @fenn | is* | 00:31 |
| qu-bit | doesn't use gtk? | 00:31 |
| @fenn | sure, gtk, wx, whatever | 00:31 |
| @fenn | ff doesn't use gtk for its native chrome does it? | 00:31 |
| @fenn | anyway, they could at least have used the firefox chrome | 00:32 |
| qu-bit | unsure | 00:32 |
| qu-bit | https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/suspend-background-tabs? | 00:34 |
| qu-bit | -? | 00:34 |
| qu-bit | or uh | 00:35 |
| qu-bit | https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/toomanytabs-saves-your-memory/ | 00:35 |
| @fenn | going in circles now | 00:37 |
| qu-bit | been there? | 00:46 |
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| @kanzure | fenn: looks like we should just put ourselves on repeat | 10:06 |
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| juri_ | happy biohacking holiday. | 10:54 |
| juri_ | hack the planet('s residents)! | 10:54 |
| eudoxia | should transhumanists celebrate christmas, the holiday of a terminally future-shocked tribal mythology? | 11:05 |
| eudoxia | hmm | 11:06 |
| jrayhawk | it's also the holiday of dumping giant piles of money into technology research institutions | 11:22 |
| eudoxia | awesome | 11:25 |
| jrayhawk | biotech is not well-represented there, i suppose | 11:37 |
| @kanzure | newtonmas | 11:37 |
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| @kanzure | fenn: what was wrong with implicitcad again? | 11:58 |
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| strangewarp | oh god | 12:53 |
| strangewarp | I just realized one of my commit messages is "updated resume" when it should be "updated readme" | 12:53 |
| * strangewarp github walk of shame | 12:53 | |
| jrayhawk | you can rewrite that commit and non-fast-forward update | 13:12 |
| jrayhawk | git push +master:master or --force or what have you | 13:12 |
| jrayhawk | no one must know | 13:12 |
| @kanzure | what does the + do there? | 13:15 |
| TRG | what is commit? | 13:18 |
| not_unoriginal | it replaces your pineal with a CCD | 13:19 |
| TRG | nobody is touching my pineal | 13:22 |
| jrayhawk | + is "allow non-fsat-forwards" | 13:22 |
| jrayhawk | s/sa/as/ | 13:22 |
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| strangewarp | meh, I'll just leave it. Going to be updating every item in that repo soon anyway, so it won't show on the main page. And it has no followers anyway | 13:29 |
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| eudoxia | strangewarp are those hole/scratches sort of things on your site supposed to look like letters i can't figure out | 14:03 |
| eudoxia | or is it just a placeholder? | 14:03 |
| strangewarp | It's just a placeholder. Little symbols cropped from a larger code-art image I might use as an album-cover later. | 14:04 |
| eudoxia | allright | 14:04 |
| strangewarp | Thanks for reminding me about my website - I've got to remember to do a bit of bare-bones webdesign to redirect to my Soundcloud and Bandcamp, once I've released some music. | 14:05 |
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| @kanzure | i'm not convinced this is practical http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/41/USS_Langley_%28CV-1%29.jpg | 17:23 |
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| jrayhawk | http://diyhpl.us/sympa/arc/diyhplus-admin hooray things are ostensibly working | 20:21 |
| @fenn | is the bobblehead really necessary? | 20:23 |
| jrayhawk | baloneymonsters are obligatory for all websites | 20:24 |
| jrayhawk | it is a crime for a website not to have a baloneymonster | 20:24 |
| jrayhawk | who was it that actually wanted something forumish | 20:28 |
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| jrayhawk | i have no real opinions on how community building should go, so i feel like i should empower someone who actually cares | 20:29 |
| strangewarp | That was Steel2, I think, but he seems to have disappeared | 20:31 |
| jrayhawk | i think it was someone more recently than that | 20:32 |
| jrayhawk | eudoxia, probably | 20:32 |
| @kanzure | no, eudoxia is the one that wants mediawiki | 20:35 |
| jrayhawk | oh | 20:35 |
| @kanzure | is this piny integrated | 20:38 |
| @kanzure | "This button trys to protect the mailing lists archives against address harvesting by a Spammer." this is a dumb feature | 20:39 |
| jrayhawk | 12:41 < kirka> Well, about MNT: | 20:41 |
| jrayhawk | 12:41 < kirka> There should be a forum | 20:41 |
| jrayhawk | ah, there it is | 20:41 |
| @kanzure | google groups has been trying to make itself look like a forum with its recent updates, except the ui is now even worse than phpbb/vbulletin/whatever. | 20:41 |
| @kanzure | mailman has the ultimate ui for email archives, except it doesn't usually provide bulk downloads for all months :\ | 20:42 |
| jrayhawk | I thought the UI was commands over mail anyway | 20:42 |
| jrayhawk | oh i thought it did | 20:42 |
| @kanzure | it provides it per-month | 20:42 |
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| jrayhawk | huh, weird | 20:49 |
| jrayhawk | the exclusion of those is actually fairly arbitrary and i don't understand why they did it | 20:50 |
| jrayhawk | oh well, still easy to get to from a shell, at least | 20:50 |
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| jrayhawk | oh i guess pipermail sterilizes it a bit | 20:59 |
| jrayhawk | beh | 20:59 |
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| jrayhawk | kanzure: that spambot protection thing is optional | 21:02 |
| jrayhawk | kanzure: also no, not piny integrated. if you have requests in that regard, let me know. | 21:15 |
| jrayhawk | that was on my list of things to do, but i never got around to it | 21:15 |
| @kanzure | okay | 21:15 |
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| @fenn | http://examine.com is an interesting compendium of data on supplements and nootropics | 21:36 |
| @fenn | i wonder how they managed to get that domain name | 21:36 |
| @kanzure | Record created on: 1996-09-05 04:00:00 | 21:37 |
| strangewarp | mmmm drunk hardware hacking | 21:39 |
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| JayDugger | "http://examine.com is an interesting compendium of data on supplements and nootropics", Thanks. | 21:54 |
| strangewarp | I own an even shorter domain name, but mine kind of sucks, and doesn't have anything interesting on it yet | 21:56 |
| @fenn | they do a somewhat cursory examination of the literature, for example in the faq "can you eat too much protein?" they cite campbell's rat study showing that rats fed more protein have more tumors (when exposed to aflatoxin) despite the fact that they lived longer | 22:01 |
| @fenn | they don't mention that the rats lived longer, only that "cancer increased" | 22:02 |
| @fenn | so take it with a grain of dead sea salt | 22:02 |
| jrayhawk | i assume he welcomes contributions! | 22:31 |
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| jrayhawk | also IIRC the rats living longer was only in some of the experiments; the lack of distinction made between stage 1/stage 2 liver detox was also pretty manipulative, though | 22:32 |
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| jrayhawk | fenn: http://blog.cholesterol-and-health.com/2012/12/my-new-article-on-nutrient-synergy-is.html you might like this | 22:36 |
| jrayhawk | err, http://www.westonaprice.org/vitamins-and-minerals/beyond-good-and-evil | 22:36 |
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| JayDugger | I should have thought of this earlier. Anyone here know of an online tool for drawing DFAs and NFAs? | 22:37 |
| JayDugger | I'd also welcome tools for doing so in LaTeX. | 22:38 |
| @kanzure | why do none of the standard option parsers support shit like "git remote add" and "git remote rm".. is nesting really that alien? | 22:38 |
| @kanzure | help i think i've fallen into the eleventh dimenson | 22:39 |
| JayDugger | There's a pun on cuckoos somewhere in that, though I can't quite find it. | 22:39 |
| @kanzure | oh.. git uses which to just select a different command? isn't that cheating.. | 22:39 |
| @kanzure | i don't seem to have git-remote on my $PATH. so it can't be doing that? | 22:41 |
| jrayhawk | JayDugger: I don't know much about the problemspace; best I can offer is graphviz | 22:41 |
| jrayhawk | kanzure: dpkg -L git | grep lib | 22:42 |
| JayDugger | Thanks, jrayhawk. I'm trying to avoid learning yet another tool, but graphviz keeps coming up in the answers. | 22:42 |
| @kanzure | aha | 22:42 |
| @kanzure | JayDugger: bloodgraph used to host an online instance of graphviz, if you're lucky it's still up | 22:43 |
| jrayhawk | the diyhpl.us wikis support graphviz | 22:43 |
| @kanzure | who came up with that plan to organize git like that | 22:44 |
| @kanzure | it seems like a non-obvious choice to start with | 22:44 |
| jrayhawk | example: http://piny.be/ahl/architecture/ with source of https://secure.piny.be/cgit/ahl/tree/architecture.mdwn | 22:44 |
| @kanzure | it works well but i don't see anything else using that pattern | 22:44 |
| jrayhawk | notmuch | 22:46 |
| jrayhawk | oh, no, i guess i am lying | 22:46 |
| jrayhawk | surfraw | 22:48 |
| jrayhawk | Originally all that crap was in /usr/bin/, but for some reason it was decided to hide the plumbing to break competing frontends. | 22:51 |
| jrayhawk | there are still some people bitter about the loss of cogito | 22:51 |
| @kanzure | that must have been recent, i remember typing out dashed commands at some point and them working | 22:52 |
| jrayhawk | It's been a few years, at least. | 22:52 |
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