2013-01-06.log

--- Log opened Sun Jan 06 00:00:00 2013
--- Day changed Sun Jan 06 2013
archboxL-tryptophan00:00
xxI'll see what the shrink makes up after i see her.00:00
archboxbrownies: 5-HTP is a 5-HT precursor not dopamine00:00
browniesarchbox: yes, 5-HTP is a precursor in serotonin production; that's why i said "that other one that's a dopamine precursor" because dopamine plays a similar role00:00
archboxI don't recommend 5-HTP because peripherally it can cause damage. Stick to tryptophan imo. safer, at least00:00
browniessynthesize ALL the neurotransmitters!00:01
archboxohhhhhhh, thanks00:01
archbox:D00:01
xx5 htp does something to your heart if im not mistaken. google it00:01
archboxDL-phenylalanine, brownies00:01
archboxxx: correct00:01
browniesthis is the first i'm hearing of such claims of harmfulness around 5-HTP or L-Dopa...00:01
browniesi don't supplement with them, but i thought they were on the "relatively harmless" side of the spectrum00:01
xxeffexor probably does horrid shit too. but meh, i have no fucks to give00:01
archboxif you take carbidopa with 5-HTP it might prevent peripheral buildup and save your heart00:01
browniesahh right i'd read about this.00:02
archboxxx: just take some aspartame00:02
browniesyou need to take 5-HTP with something else, so that it crosses the blood-brain barrier instead of accumulating in your heart/organs/etc.00:02
browniesnaturally, i've forgotten what that magic other thing is.00:02
archboxcarbidopa00:02
xxarchbox: how effective is it ? is it like inositol effectiveness?00:02
archboxtake levodopa carbidopa and 5HTP you will become god00:02
archboxxx: aspartame? no00:02
xxdose?00:03
xxprice?00:03
archboxI take 500mg DLPA00:03
archboxit's cheap00:03
archbox>Phenylalanine is a precursor for tyrosine, the monoamine signaling molecules dopamine, norepinephrine (noradrenaline), and epinephrine (adrenaline), and the skin pigment melanin.00:03
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xxlet's become black uguise00:03
archboxhttp://www.vitacost.com/vitacost-dlpa-dl-phenylalanine/?NttSR=100:03
archboxthis one has a BOGO special: http://www.vitacost.com/vitacost-dlpa-dl-phenylalanine-500-mg-60-capsules-1/?NttSR=100:04
xxis it really effective ?00:04
browniesmy 2cents is that one should not go bargain-hunting for nootropics =P00:04
archboxbrownies: it's just amino acidz00:04
xxthey are all the same...00:04
archboxwhich = proteins = gainz00:04
archboxpeptides are just proteins. Let's make peptide shakes00:05
xxi already take some taurine and beta alanine00:05
archboxany1 tried DSIP?00:05
browniesarchbox: EGCG00:05
archboxbrownies: green tea catechins??00:05
xxis that why high protein diets are good for depression?00:05
archboxi take 800mg daily00:05
browniesarchbox: taking EGCG with your 5-HTP inhibits the thing that converts the 5-HTP into 5-HT outside of your brain00:05
archboxxx: yes and because it tastes good00:05
archboxbrownies: wow00:05
browniesarchbox: that was on our earlier thread... EGCG was what i was thinking of to complement 5HTP00:06
archboxohhh00:06
archboxxx: this suggests not using beeta alanine and taurine: http://www.longecity.org/forum/topic/54028-treating-anxiety-safely-effectively/00:06
archboxlongecity so take with a grain of salt00:06
xxwhy ?00:06
archboxsomething about GABA something00:06
browniesbut, yeah, i hear EGCG is pretty cool by itself too.00:06
archbox It does appear that BETA-ALANINE is also a GABA RECEPTOR AGONIST - see this study for example:  Neurochem Int. 2010 Oct;57(3):177-88. Epub 2010 Jun 9.00:06
xxI'm so tired of trying different things. I wish i could find something that works.00:07
archbox:<00:07
xxlike just a magic pill . boom. happeh. forevar00:07
archboxhow was inositol?00:07
archboxtry aniracetam00:07
xxshiet00:07
archboxit works great for me00:07
archboxi take00:07
archbox50mg inositol00:07
browniesthis is going to sound pretty radical00:07
browniesbut have you tried diet, exercise, and sleep?00:07
xxT_T00:08
xxI stopped smoking , 8th month, took commutting, i am vegan (my diet is primarly veggies) and i sleep00:08
archboxbrownies: where can i get pills for those00:08
archboxor a bulk powder, if that's cheaper00:08
browniesheh00:08
archboxhttp://www.healthsupplementwholesalers.com/products/melatonin00:08
xxwhen im on my down phase though, no force in the universe can stop me from sabotaging all the progress i made00:08
archbox1000mg for under $3 bulk00:09
browniesxx: nice start! now get daily sunlight and tackle your diet.00:09
archboxand get some modafinil00:09
archbox(from your doctor if your doctor approves)00:09
xxyeah ill see what she ll give00:09
xxI really just want a stable mood. im sick and tired of cycling.00:10
xx2 months happy. 6 months crap. 3 months trying to get back on feet. Rinse and repeat00:10
archboxtell her you are afraid of all antidepressants but tell her that moda is going into phase III trials for depression and moda is neuroprotective00:10
@fennxx: selenium and magnesium are your friends00:11
xxi'll tell her exactly that archbox00:11
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archboxfenn: what upper limit for magnesium do you recommend for anxiety?00:11
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archboxi took 200mcg selenium and 4x133mg magnesium glycinate chelate tonight00:12
@kanzurepaperbot: .fetch Neurochem Int. 2010 Oct;57(3):177-88. Epub 2010 Jun 9.00:12
@kanzureerm..00:12
@kanzure.fetch Neurochem Int. 2010 Oct;57(3):177-88. Epub 2010 Jun 9.00:12
paperbottrying to fetch the paper...00:12
@fenno rly00:12
archboxman i love taking pills00:13
@fenn.fetch doi: 10.1080/0036552050023533400:13
paperbottrying to fetch the paper...00:13
archbox'night everyone00:13
@kanzurepaperbot: fucking work already00:13
@kanzurefdjkalfkjdkafjakda00:13
xxYou know , I hear you all talking about supplements and that it works for you. but I'd like to hear of somoene who has been diagnosed with major depressive disorder's point of view. Supplementations vs Drugs00:13
@fenn.fetch Scandinavian Journal of Gastroenterology, 2006, Vol. 41, No. 4 : Pages 408-41900:13
paperbottrying to fetch the paper...00:13
@kanzurefenn: it's borked00:13
@kanzuresorry to have gotten your hopes up00:13
archboxrip paperbot00:13
@fennxx: which is it, major depressive or bipolar? they're not the same thing00:13
xxwho said im bipolar?00:14
browniesyeah that is hugely different00:14
@fenn"2 months happy. 6 months crap. 3 months trying to get back on feet. Rinse and repeat" basic symptoms of bipoar disorder00:14
xxoh.00:14
xxwell maybe i am bipolar.00:14
xxlast diagnosis was when i was 15: doctor said i had major depressive disorder00:15
xxpsychotherapy for 5 years: 800 mg lithium + prozac + 3rd drug00:15
@fenncommon misdiagnosis; doctor only sees you when you're on the down swing00:15
@fennoh if they gave you lithium they knew you were bipolar00:15
@fennanyway, i see lithium as a poor substitute for magnesium00:15
@kanzuregoogle scholar is terrible at resolving "doi: 10.1080/00365520500235334"00:15
xxi dont think so.00:15
browniesyou could just put in the DOI URL -_-00:16
xxscratch that i stopped the psychotherapy when i got 18.00:16
xxso it was only 3 years00:16
xxi dk why its 5 in my head.00:16
@fennwell i forgot what causes bipolar, sorry00:17
@fennpast my bedtime00:17
@kanzurebrownies: true, but it would be nice if google scholar was smart enough to resolve citations00:17
brownieskanzure: i suppose so00:18
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@fennarchbox: 600mg is okay, i don't know what the upper limit is00:19
@kanzure17 MB/sec to ftp.mozilla.org00:21
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@fennxx: http://autoimmunethyroid.wordpress.com/2008/10/29/gaba-and-diy-for-bipolar-disorder/ and possibly ketamine00:32
@fennshe's sensitive to amines such as tyramine, which is confusing because she presents it as if everyone else is also sensitive to amines00:33
JayDuggerketamine: for bipolar disorder?00:34
@fenni don't think tomato and broccoli are a problem00:34
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@fennJayDugger: xx http://www.medicaldaily.com/news/20120530/10085/ketamin-bipolar-disorder-depression.htm  depression symptoms significantly improved within 40 minutes, and remained improved over 3 days.00:35
@fenn"ketamine is classified as an NMDA receptor antagonist." and so is magnesium, so that's why i recommend magnesium00:36
@fennand yes i know ketamine does a bunch of other stuff00:37
@fennand you will pee your pants and have a heart attack and turn into a total loser00:38
JayDuggerThat rather understates its potence.00:38
@fennhehe "psychotomimetic phenomenon"00:39
JayDuggerYeah, let's go with that euphemism.00:39
@kanzurefyi i am upgrading things on gnusha so let me know if your favorite packages go poof00:44
@kanzureso far libsdl1.2-dev went poof00:44
@kanzure"Preparing to replace g++ 4:4.5.2-2 (using .../g++_4%3a4.7.2-1_i386.deb) "00:45
@kanzurewonder how %3 got in there00:45
@kanzure":"00:45
Undinewhat is gnusha?00:52
@kanzureit's a monkey creature that provides open source hardware and dependency resolution00:55
@kanzure$ ls -l xpcshell00:57
@kanzure-rwxr-xr-x 1 bryan bryan 952595 Nov 19 19:11 xpcshell00:57
@kanzure$ ./xpcshell00:57
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@kanzurewhat am i doing wrong?00:58
Undine...ok00:58
@fenngnusha's not ganesha! or something like that01:03
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@kanzureour acronymlyzer is broken01:05
@fennkanzure: did you delete or move the directory you're in? or maybe you have to log out01:05
@kanzurei tried logging it out and back into a different shell01:06
@kanzuredidn't delete01:06
@fenndoes it do #!/usr/bin/foobar01:06
@kanzureno they are binaries01:08
@kanzureweird the i686 version works but not the x86_64 version01:08
@kanzureuname claims that we're x86_6401:08
@fennwell good luck with that01:09
@kanzuremaybe i installed some i386/i686 packages and xulrunner is dynamically linked01:09
jrayhawkfenn: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2853431/ i think you should reconsider badmouthing lithium01:39
Undineto go for DIYBIO are the equipment expensive...?01:44
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xx##bipolar02:43
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@kanzurepaperbot: http://www.nature.com/nmat/journal/v11/n9/full/nmat3357.html03:56
paperbothttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Rapid%20casting%20of%20patterned%20vascular%20networks%20for%20perfusable%20engineered%20three-dimensional%20tissues.pdf03:56
@kanzurepaperbot: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v461/n7266/abs/nature08446.html03:56
paperbothttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Spatiotemporal%20control%20of%20cell%20signalling%20using%20a%20light-switchable%20protein%20interaction.pdf03:56
@kanzurepaperbot: http://www.clinicalnutritionjournal.com/article/S0261-5614%2812%2900138-0/abstract03:58
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@kanzurepaperbot: http://iopscience.iop.org/0253-6102/58/6/0104:00
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@kanzurewell. hrm.04:00
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@kanzurepaperbot: http://iopscience.iop.org/0253-6102/58/6/0104:07
paperbothttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Stair%20and%20Step%20Soliton%20Solutions%20of%20the%20Integrable%20%282%2B1%29%20and%20%283%2B1%29-Dimensional%20BoitiLeonMannaPempinelli%20Equations.pdf04:07
@kanzurehttp://arxiv.org/abs/1301.043604:09
paperbothttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Solutions%20of%20the%20Klein-Gordon%20equation%20in%20an%20infinite%20square-well%20potential%20with%20a%20moving%20wall.pdf04:09
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@kanzuredamn.04:12
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@kanzurehttp://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlelanding/2013/lc/c2lc40837f04:14
@kanzurewhaat04:14
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@kanzurehmm.04:18
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@kanzurepaperbot: http://www.cell.com/abstract/S0092-8674(12)01436-504:21
paperbothttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Structural%20Basis%20for%20dsRNA%20Recognition%2C%20Filament%20Formation%2C%20and%20Antiviral%20Signal%20Activation%20by%20MDA5.pdf04:21
chris_99does paperbot work for things like IEEE/ACM out of curiousity04:22
@kanzuretry it04:22
chris_99paperbot: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/login.jsp?tp=&arnumber=5720638&url=http%3A%2F%2Fieeexplore.ieee.org%2Fxpls%2Fabs_all.jsp%3Farnumber%3D572063804:24
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chris_99(not sure what i'm supposed to link to mind)04:24
@kanzurelogin.jsp is definitely not what you should link to :)04:24
superkuhpaperbot: http://stm.sciencemag.org/content/4/161/161ra15104:24
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@kanzurehmm.04:24
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@kanzureit doesn't follow doi urls yet04:25
superkuhOkay. Exciting regardless.04:25
@kanzureit should have given 501 for sciencemag.org04:26
@kanzurethanks for the test data.. keep it coming.04:27
@kanzureoh also "didn't find any pdfs" is indicative of subscription failure04:29
@kanzurei suppose i should try on multiple proxies04:29
superkuhpaperbot: http://iopscience.iop.org/0741-3335/52/3/032001/04:31
paperbothttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Multiple%20pinch%20formations%20in%20small%20plasma-focus%20devices.pdf04:31
superkuhHah. Great. I've had that one in my session file for a year.04:32
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@kanzurehack hack hack04:43
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@kanzureright now it's just pdx.edu, and they tend to have sucky ieee availability.04:44
@kanzurehttp://oai.dtic.mil/oai/oai?verb=getRecord&metadataPrefix=html&identifier=ADA22091404:54
paperbothttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Heterodyne%20Characterization%20of%20High-Speed%20Photomixers%20for%20the%20Ultraviolet.pdf04:54
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@kanzurehttp://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v493/n7430/full/nature11717.html05:46
paperbothttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/A%20vast%2C%20thin%20plane%20of%20corotating%20dwarf%20galaxies%20orbiting%20the%20Andromeda%20galaxy.pdf05:46
EnLilaSkohttp://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v361/n6407/abs/361031a0.html05:59
EnLilaSkopaperbot: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v361/n6407/abs/361031a0.html05:59
paperbothttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/A%20synaptic%20model%20of%20memory%3A%20long-term%20potentiation%20in%20the%20hippocampus.pdf05:59
paperbothttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/A%20synaptic%20model%20of%20memory%3A%20long-term%20potentiation%20in%20the%20hippocampus.pdf05:59
EnLilaSkoOh, really cool kanzure05:59
@kanzurehmm that one didn't work06:03
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EnLilaSkoNo, noticed. But cool function anyway06:03
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EnLilaSkoBut found it somewhere else06:04
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@kanzurehttp://physics.aps.org/articles/v5/13906:11
@kanzuredamn.06:11
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eudoxiahttp://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/01/could-human-enhancement-turn-soldiers-into-weapons-that-violate-international-law-yes/266732/07:31
eudoxiathese people in charge of ethics07:31
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EnLilaSkopaperbot: http://www.nature.com/nrn/journal/v11/n7/abs/nrn2867.html07:47
paperbothttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Long-term%20depression%20in%20the%20CNS.pdf07:47
EnLilaSkokanzure: The bot doesn't seem to like me, lol07:47
* bkero waves to all you crazy nightowls07:49
strangewarpCyclical-schedule owl, for me, heh07:55
strangewarpRight, time to run to Radioshack for a particular phono jack panel that's only available there, for some reason, then keep my nose to the grindstone on these two musical hardware-hacking projects that I really desperately want to finish soon before it drives me crazy...07:56
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juri_neat. a paperbot. nice.08:54
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@kanzureyashgaroth: hi11:26
yashgarothsup11:26
@kanzurepaperbot.11:27
yashgarothpaperbot: fetch me a bagel11:27
yashgarothwell that needs work, but I see it does do papers11:30
browniesi want on in this bagel run too11:32
@kanzurei need to figure out proxies.11:35
@kanzuredoes anyone have a stable proxy i can add to it? i don't reaaally want to add stolen account details.11:35
@kanzuresomething other than pdx.edu11:36
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@kanzureParahSailin: what's up?11:43
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delinquentmekanzure, do you happen to have anything to scrape facebook for all your posts?12:17
@kanzurefacebook offered a download thing that gives you that content12:19
delinquentmeREALLY12:21
delinquentmeYESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS12:22
@kanzureok ok calm down don't go super saiyin on me12:22
delinquentmethey're apparently packing up my data right now .. kinda awesome.12:25
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@kanzuredelinquentme: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=us8Qojiy5J812:37
delinquentme=] not bad intro!12:39
delinquentmetrying to locate this remix by pretty lights ... I labeled it on facebook as "existential gangster dubstep"12:39
delinquentmeit was surprisingly solid12:39
delinquentmereminds me alot of the FF10 blitzball intro video12:40
strangewarpI read that as "experimental gender dubstep"12:42
strangewarpwhich, honestly, would have been just as interesting12:46
delinquentmehaha12:48
delinquentmeTIL biggie was gender queer12:48
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@kanzurepaperbot: reload papers13:41
paperbotkanzure: <module 'papers' from '/home/bryan/code/paperbot/phenny/modules/papers.pyc'> (version: 2013-01-06 21:41:31)13:41
@kanzureeww a timestamp for a version13:41
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@kanzurepaperbot: http://www.nature.com/nrn/journal/v11/n7/abs/nrn2867.html13:43
paperbotHTTP 401 unauthorized http://www.nature.com/nrn/journal/v11/n7/pdf/nrn2867.pdf13:43
@kanzureah much better13:43
@kanzurepaperbot: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/freeabs_all.jsp?arnumber=90126113:50
paperboterror: didn't find any pdfs on http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/freeabs_all.jsp?arnumber=90126113:50
@kanzureuhuh..13:50
@kanzurepaperbot: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/articleDetails.jsp?arnumber=90126114:05
paperboterror: didn't find any pdfs on http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/articleDetails.jsp?arnumber=90126114:05
browniespaperbot: reload __init__14:11
brownieseh, worth a shot =P14:11
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@fennpaperbot: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2065594914:20
paperboterror: didn't find any pdfs on http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2065594914:20
@kanzureit's telling the truth you know14:20
@fennpaperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016378271000035414:20
paperboterror: HTTP 501 http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0163782710000354 (battle station not fully operational)14:20
@kanzuresciencedirect is broken for some reason14:20
@fennpaperbot: man battle stations!14:20
@fenn"no manual entry for battle stations!"14:21
@kanzureso.. ieee xplore should actually work.14:21
@kanzurei've been debugging https://github.com/zotero/translators/blob/master/IEEE%20Xplore.js14:21
@kanzureit seems to be capable of finding the <frame> element but it's just not happening for some reason?14:22
@kanzurepaperbot: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/articleDetails.jsp?arnumber=90126114:25
paperboterror: didn't find any pdfs on http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/articleDetails.jsp?arnumber=90126114:26
@kanzurehttp://pastebin.com/XiZmkchJ14:26
@kanzurepaperbot: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/articleDetails.jsp?arnumber=90126114:28
paperboterror: didn't find any pdfs on http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/articleDetails.jsp?arnumber=90126114:28
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browniespaperbot: man cat14:34
browniesworst. robot. ever.14:34
yashgarotheven I can't parse that14:35
@kanzureit's pretty amazing it even works at all, give the bot a break.14:35
@kanzurejrayhawk: what should i install to enable sftp on gnusha? someone wants sftp tab completion. apparently scp tab completion sucks?14:48
@kanzureis proftpd safe?14:50
AlonzoTGwhy is this channel called hplusroadmap? nobody seems to ever talk about the big picture or present anything that could be called a roadmap....14:52
@kanzureah wait we have vsftpd14:52
@kanzureAlonzoTG: because there was a roadmap and then we deleted it or something14:53
juri_alonzo: people here are busy doing.14:53
@kanzure"the big picture" is that you should go learn these things http://diyhpl.us/wiki/declaration14:53
@kanzurehow do i force vsftpd to enable sftp14:53
@fenni've been reading "the case for mars" in which the author argues that nasa has been failing for the past 40 years because of a distinct lack of mission. instead of developing technologies that lead to a goal, various technical communities compete to create their favorite project that may or may not actually be useful for anything at all14:54
@fennhe calls this "shuttle mode" vs "apollo mode"14:55
@fennwe're in the same boat, but without 20 billion in annual funding14:56
@kanzureoh openssh-sftp-server seems to be configurable in /etc/ssh/sshd_config14:57
browniesbut what's the analogous goal for the transhumanist community?15:00
browniesspace program has mars. transhumanists have... glowing cats?15:00
@kanzurewhole brain emulation15:00
@kanzurean actually useful nootropic15:00
brownies(1) doesn't seem useful (2) piracetam15:00
browniesNEXT!15:00
@kanzurepiracetam isn't really that great15:00
browniesi've heard a few horror stories about dependencies and withdrawal and such, but on the whole it seems to be a magic thing that you take and it makes you slightly smarter15:01
brownies*with zero to minimal side effects15:01
@kanzureso what? slightly smarter? who the fuck cares..15:01
yashgarothpiracetam's good for saving money on other things, but I never noticed a nootropic effect per se15:01
@kanzurei mean, slightly smarter is totally useless and irrelevant15:01
brownieshonestly even "5-10% smarter" would be a meaningful boost that's nothing to sneeze at15:01
@kanzureyes, it is statistically significant15:02
@kanzurewhole brain emulation is useful because you can experiment on changes to the brain without having to actually stimulate your brain to figure out what will kill yuo15:03
@kanzure*you15:03
@kanzurei also strongly believe that transcranial ultrasound and other ways to get information in/out of the brain can provide transhumanist results15:04
@kanzurebrownies: oh and longevity is another obvious one15:05
juri_sub quantum interference detector, eh?15:05
@kanzurefor what15:06
juri_(i guess you didn't watch that movie)15:06
@kanzuresoundsl ike BS15:06
@kanzure*like15:06
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yashgarothit was a good movie15:06
juri_of course it is, but it as a good plot device.15:06
@kanzurebrownies: btw the reason i say 5% is useless is because there are people who are 5% smarter than any of us in here, and they aren't particularly more effective at making better smart drugs15:07
@kanzurethe "smartest guy in the world" is some bar hop..15:08
@kanzureerm.. i mean. he doesn't seem to be more effective at his maths than anybody else.15:09
@kanzurei want orders of magnitude15:09
browniesheh, i remember reading that article. poor bastard.15:09
@kanzure(and it's not a "oh maybe he's happy with that job" situation)15:09
brownieskanzure: one would presume that the reason they aren't particularly effective at making smart drugs is that they're not dedicating every moment of their entire lives to it15:10
browniesand instead they've come here to fuck around on IRC instead of researching nootropics15:10
browniesyour average PhD has an IQ of, what, 120? not exactly a monument of genius, but since they work full-time on research, they contribute more than us navel-gazers15:10
@kanzureno, irc is not the reason you suck at nootropics brownies15:10
brownieskanzure: that was just a jab. the point is that it's a function of time invested.15:11
@kanzuredon't be so sure about that either, most phd students don't read that much15:11
@kanzuretheir papers are usually only 200 references, they usually exclude thousands of highly relevant papers. these guys are lightweights..15:11
* kanzure grumps off15:12
browniesgiven that they're still producing papers, that seems like a strawman.15:12
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juri_i still haven't produced any papers worth speaking about.15:19
juri_but, i can type on irc! :)15:19
AlonzoTGI have a minecraft server up, I've sketched out some insane ideas there. =P15:33
@kanzure?15:41
AlonzoTGyeah, I'm crazy.15:41
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joehotkanzure: i've got a friend sitting on a printer. he says he's looking for any excuse to use it. what should he make18:50
juri_what kind of printer?18:57
JayDuggerhttp://www.biggerhammer.net/ar15/cad/ar15_receiver.pdf18:57
joehotthe kind that matters18:58
joehotvery funny18:58
JayDuggerWho's kidding?18:59
JayDuggerIf that strikes you as flame bait, duly noted. I meant it in seriousness.18:59
juri_print more printers.19:00
JayDuggerThat's an even better idea.19:00
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@kanzurejoehot: he should make http://thingiverse.com/ things19:28
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@kanzureAdifex: hi20:00
Adifexhey! anything happening around here?20:01
JayDuggerGood night, everyone.20:02
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nmz787paperbot http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/login.jsp?tp=&arnumber=689788&url=http%3A%2F%2Fieeexplore.ieee.org%2Fiel4%2F779%2F1278%2F00689788.pdf%3Farnumber%3D68978820:03
@kanzurepaperbot only understands "paperbot: " or a message beginning with "http"20:03
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@kanzureand it definitely can't handle login.jsp20:04
nmz787paperbot:http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/login.jsp?tp=&arnumber=689788&url=http%3A%2F%2Fieeexplore.ieee.org%2Fiel4%2F779%2F1278%2F00689788.pdf%3Farnumber%3D68978820:04
@kanzurealso.. ieee xplore is broken anyway :P20:04
nmz787well that bokmarklet and chrome does20:06
@kanzurepaperbot is not chrome20:07
@kanzurepaperbot: reload papers20:07
paperbotkanzure: <module 'papers' from '/home/bryan/code/paperbot/phenny/modules/papers.py'> (version: 2013-01-07 04:07:10)20:07
@kanzurepaperbot: reload papers20:08
paperbotkanzure: <module 'papers' from '/home/bryan/code/paperbot/phenny/modules/papers.py'> (version: 2013-01-07 04:08:51)20:08
@kanzurepaperbot: http://thejns.org/doi/abs/10.3171/jns.1986.64.4.059420:09
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Adifexlol20:09
@kanzurepaperbot: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ana.20572/abstract20:09
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@kanzuredamn.20:09
@kanzurenmz787: the bookmarklet in that case will take you to the pdf because that's what the url is, but in most cases it's not immediately obvious where on the page the pdf link is20:10
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jrayhawkkanzure: did you sort out your crazy ftp thing20:27
AdifexIs there a good compilation of transhumanist papers around, like a year-end type of thing? Or do I have to find them all on my own?20:36
AdifexAnd what journals are good for that type of thing?20:36
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nmz787Adifex: kanzure should know20:58
Adifexheh. kanzure must be out21:04
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@kanzureAdifex: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/ has a bunch of useful things, but no there's no journal specifically for transhumanist things.23:30
@kanzureand don't listen to the liars who claim jeet serves that purpose.23:30
Adifexkanzure: thanks a bunch. Maybe we need to start a journal! :D23:31
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