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| @kanzure | "Followers of the Way [of Chán], if you want to get the kind of understanding that accords with the Dharma, never be misled by others. Whether you're facing inward or facing outward, whatever you meet up with, just kill it!" | 00:14 |
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| @kanzure | "If you meet a buddha, kill the buddha. If you meet a patriarch, kill the patriarch. If you meet an arhat, kill the arhat. If you meet your parents, kill your parents." | 00:14 |
| @kanzure | " If you meet your kinfolk, kill your kinfolk. Then for the first time you will gain emancipation, will not be entangled with things, will pass freely anywhere you wish to go.[7]" | 00:14 |
| @kanzure | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linji_Yixuan | 00:14 |
| juri_ | taoist philosophy is fun. | 00:27 |
| juri_ | i've heard that quoted by buddhists who seem to use it to justify being an asshole to everyone. | 00:27 |
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| @kanzure | ah i was thinking it would be justification for murder | 00:28 |
| @kanzure | but okay.. | 00:28 |
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| juri_ | no, its much less litearl than that: think kill the IDEA. | 00:35 |
| @kanzure | that's not as interesting to me. | 00:35 |
| @kanzure | well, thanks for clearing that up. | 00:35 |
| juri_ | I'm a taoist who has the simplicity edict all messed up with singularism. ;) | 00:35 |
| juri_ | i have to admit however, that working on a tree containing over a million lines of PHP makes me doubt the concept of machines ever being inteligent, through lines of code alone. | 00:37 |
| @kanzure | did you know that you can just choose to not work on terrible projects? it will greatly improve your quality of life. | 00:37 |
| juri_ | its what pays the bills. and its free software, to boot. | 00:38 |
| @kanzure | that's crazy though. programmers are in extremely high demand right now and can pick whatever they want to work on (paid). | 00:38 |
| juri_ | show me another way i can pay my bills coding free software, and doing as much good as i do (this is a free software EMR system), and i'll be there. | 00:38 |
| juri_ | programmers are not in high demand. | 00:39 |
| @kanzure | i am being pulled in a million directions.. | 00:39 |
| @kanzure | do you consider open source software to be free software? | 00:39 |
| juri_ | you're in high demand, i'll give you that. ;) | 00:39 |
| @kanzure | 'cause mozilla is on a hiring streak like crazy. | 00:40 |
| juri_ | No. different things. Free software is somewhere on the spectrum between GPLV3 and BSD. | 00:40 |
| @kanzure | bkero might even trade places with you. | 00:40 |
| @kanzure | i see. | 00:40 |
| juri_ | ugh. i've abandoned that codebase. | 00:40 |
| @kanzure | um.. so you don't think gplv3 is open source? | 00:40 |
| @kanzure | it might be out from fsf but it's still osi approved i think | 00:41 |
| @kanzure | fun fact: christine peterson (foresight institute) was one of the original jerks who did osi. | 00:41 |
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| bkero | kanzure: trade places with me? | 01:06 |
| @kanzure | i thought you wanted out of mozilla | 01:06 |
| bkero | In a sense | 01:07 |
| @kanzure | also, are there builds of firefox os that work at the moment? | 01:07 |
| @kanzure | or b2g or something? | 01:07 |
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| juri_ | oh, i think gplv3 is free software. | 01:44 |
| juri_ | i prefer to work on free software, open source is not quite 'good enough' for my tastes. | 01:44 |
| juri_ | anything that can be made GPL is good enough, so much of the bsd stuff works. | 01:45 |
| juri_ | i'm a zealot. don't expect what you consider sanity. ;) | 01:45 |
| juri_ | i don't think i'd enjoy working on mozilla's products, because from my persoective, they're yesterday's news. i was actually a contributor back when it waw Mozilla. i was the first one who got jpegs rendering right. ;) | 01:48 |
| juri_ | I learned a lot on that project. now, i'm using midori (a webkit based browser). | 01:48 |
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| bkero | kanzure: yes | 02:20 |
| bkero | kanzure: google r2d2b2g for a firefox os extension for your firefox browser. There's also an emulator built on top of qemu, and there are builds for the raspberry pi, samsung galaxy s 2, nexus s/galaxy, and a few other devices. | 02:21 |
| bkero | Basically anything with a cyanogenmod ICS or newer target will just work | 02:21 |
| bkero | since we're using the android build system. | 02:21 |
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| @kanzure | paperbot: http://cen.acs.org/articles/91/i1/ACS-Posts-Online-Review-Leadscope.html | 08:45 |
| paperbot | error: HTTP 501 http://cen.acs.org/articles/91/i1/ACS-Posts-Online-Review-Leadscope.html (battle station not fully operational) | 08:45 |
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| -!- Topic for ##hplusroadmap: biohacking, nootropics, transhumanism, open hardware | sponsored by george church and the NRA | http://gnusha.org/logs http://diyhpl.us/wiki http://groups.google.com/group/diybio | friends don't let friends do super college | 10:02 | |
| -!- Topic set by kanzure [~kanzure@131.252.130.248] [Fri Aug 10 08:01:18 2012] | 10:02 | |
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| @kanzure | paperbot: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/articleDetails.jsp?arnumber=901261 | 10:16 |
| paperbot | error: HTTP 500 http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/6950396aa0030020d251bdb922d20f55 | 10:16 |
| @kanzure | paperbot: http://cen.acs.org/articles/91/i1/ACS-Posts-Online-Review-Leadscope.html | 10:16 |
| paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/eb3b8e8cafbbef255c9fb55b66fee6aa | 10:16 |
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| @kanzure | jrayhawk: it would be cool if piny would give the git address after running newrepo instead of just the https urls | 10:56 |
| @kanzure | jrayhawk: also, the post-receive script seems broken. | 10:58 |
| @kanzure | jrayhawk: remote: fatal: Invalid revision range 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..aa98a92edb4bd075af788794554f8d8a1638f7b3 | 10:58 |
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| @kanzure | jrayhawk: also, http://diyhpl.us/piny-commands/newuser results in http 500 when registering | 11:20 |
| @kanzure | [Thu Jan 10 11:20:02 2013] [error] [client 66.68.190.37] Premature end of script headers: newuser.cgi, referer: http://diyhpl.us/piny-commands/newuser/ | 11:22 |
| @kanzure | paperbot: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/iel5/27/19498/00901261.pdf?arnumber=901261 | 11:33 |
| paperbot | error: HTTP 500 http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/a62debb36de41c7b52448586d3957375 | 11:33 |
| @kanzure | paperbot: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/ielx5/27/19498/00901261.pdf?tp=&arnumber=901261&isnumber=19498 | 11:33 |
| paperbot | error: HTTP 500 http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/5debcfda84728e7505fe5ced4433cd6d | 11:33 |
| @kanzure | hmm it would be nice if i could detect the pdf file format in that situation | 11:34 |
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| @kanzure | paperbot: http://www.plosntds.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pntd.0001969 | 12:18 |
| paperbot | error: HTTP 500 http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/ad46125d7eab3ecd91a80eb2c2df9963 | 12:18 |
| @kanzure | "An In-Depth Analysis of a Piece of Shit: Distribution of Schistosoma mansoni and Hookworm Eggs in Human Stool" | 12:18 |
| @kanzure | i guess they get points for being able to get 'shit' into a paper title | 12:19 |
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| juri_ | that was a dare, i'm sure of it. | 12:26 |
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| @kanzure | oreilly alphatech ventures dumped some money into littlebits.cc, apparently | 13:00 |
| @kanzure | http://techcrunch.com/2012/07/18/toys-grow-up-littlebits-picks-up-3-65m-pch-deal-to-build-out-its-open-source-hardware-vision/ | 13:00 |
| @kanzure | i think littlebits is run by the same ayah who commandeered open hardware summit | 13:01 |
| @kanzure | oh it's even a series a, huh. | 13:01 |
| @kanzure | http://www.crunchbase.com/company/littlebits | 13:01 |
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| @fenn | what a wacky little rocket http://www.astronautix.com/lvs/otrag.htm | 14:13 |
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| nmz787 | sup | 15:01 |
| @kanzure | nmz787: feeling charitable? https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot/issues | 15:01 |
| @kanzure | these are all relatively easy tasks (except the ieee one) | 15:01 |
| nmz787 | did you write paperbot from ground up? | 15:02 |
| @kanzure | it's just one file, https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot/blob/master/modules/papers.py | 15:02 |
| nmz787 | looks like multi URLs wouldn't be too hard | 15:03 |
| nmz787 | how are you testing ? | 15:03 |
| @kanzure | #paperbot-testing | 15:03 |
| @kanzure | no unit tests at the moment but that would also be a good thing | 15:03 |
| nmz787 | so if i push to master, then screw with paperbot in that channel my changes will be reflected? | 15:04 |
| nmz787 | like it auto reloads the new flie? | 15:05 |
| nmz787 | file* | 15:05 |
| nmz787 | s/new/updated/ | 15:05 |
| @kanzure | you would have to push to nmz787@diyhpl.us:/srv/git/paperbot.git | 15:05 |
| @kanzure | but yes | 15:05 |
| @kanzure | also you would have to say "paperbot: reload papers" to get the new changes. | 15:06 |
| nmz787 | asdf:LKJ787 | 15:07 |
| nmz787 | dsajkaewr | 15:07 |
| nmz787 | 3 | 15:07 |
| nmz787 | sry | 15:08 |
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| nmz787 | git pull on that string doesn't work | 15:10 |
| nmz787 | nor on /srv/... | 15:10 |
| nmz787 | ahh clone | 15:11 |
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| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/paperbot/commit/?id=b09a55c0 Bryan Bishop: pedantic whitespace changes | 15:17 |
| gnusha | paperbot: reload papers | 15:17 |
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| @fenn | cute | 15:19 |
| nmz787 | geez the GRE test is $185 | 15:21 |
| nmz787 | thought it would be like $50 | 15:21 |
| nmz787 | that's like $40 to TAKE a test | 15:21 |
| nmz787 | an hour | 15:21 |
| nmz787 | what is phenny? | 15:22 |
| @kanzure | a poorly written irc bot | 15:22 |
| @kanzure | https://github.com/sbp/phenny | 15:22 |
| nmz787 | so who get's the URL first? | 15:23 |
| @kanzure | ask again? | 15:23 |
| nmz787 | when i type paprbot http://blah | 15:23 |
| nmz787 | where does that go to? | 15:23 |
| @kanzure | all lines are sent to the download function on line 10 because of download.rule = r'(.*)' | 15:24 |
| nmz787 | how does that work? | 15:26 |
| nmz787 | i don't see any rule variable in the download func | 15:26 |
| nmz787 | or a struct like thing anywhere | 15:26 |
| @kanzure | download.rule is set at line 129 | 15:26 |
| nmz787 | i see that | 15:26 |
| @kanzure | in python you can set attributes or variables on function objects | 15:27 |
| nmz787 | that dont exist yet? | 15:27 |
| @kanzure | it was defined just above it! | 15:27 |
| @kanzure | phenny uses these functions-with-some-extra-attributes to determine when to call a function.. most people make bot commands like ".calc" or "!help", but download.rule is special because i want paperbot to always parse urls out of messages. | 15:28 |
| nmz787 | where was .rule defined in download? | 15:28 |
| @kanzure | it was not | 15:28 |
| nmz787 | ok so it didnt exist when it was declared then on line 129 | 15:28 |
| @kanzure | before line 129, download exists but download.rule does not.. yes. | 15:29 |
| nmz787 | so paperbot isnt a bot, its a phenny addon? | 15:29 |
| @kanzure | phenny is a bot | 15:29 |
| @kanzure | but yes | 15:29 |
| nmz787 | so is there any decent way to not allow people to download mp3s from an online music player | 15:44 |
| @kanzure | are you asking about drm? | 15:44 |
| nmz787 | you can easily see where the MP3s are here view-source:http://www.wiletri.com/music.html | 15:44 |
| nmz787 | nah its a band my dad is in | 15:45 |
| nmz787 | I don't think my dad is losing money because of this | 15:45 |
| @kanzure | if the music is going to the user's browser, the user can ultimately just redirect his /dev/audio to a file | 15:45 |
| @kanzure | (or whatever) | 15:45 |
| nmz787 | since I doubt he ever really made anything on royalties anywa | 15:45 |
| nmz787 | hmm | 15:45 |
| nmz787 | sure | 15:45 |
| @kanzure | eww this uses flash? | 15:46 |
| @fenn | all this disable downloading stuff is so dumb | 15:46 |
| nmz787 | heh, I'm watching some CBS video on used copiers having harddrives full of prev copied image data | 15:46 |
| @fenn | anyone with half a brain can get around 99% of it | 15:46 |
| nmz787 | hmm | 15:46 |
| nmz787 | well maybe it's ok then | 15:47 |
| @kanzure | maybe your dad should work on a business model that doesn't break because computers exist | 15:47 |
| nmz787 | lol | 15:47 |
| nmz787 | i don't think his guitar or amplifier care | 15:47 |
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| @fenn | your dad will benefit from the increased promotion of his band enabled by file sharing on the internet | 15:48 |
| @fenn | an artist's worst enemy is obscurity | 15:48 |
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| nmz787 | yeah prob is he doesn't have his own band or music page of his work anyway | 15:50 |
| nmz787 | this is the site of a band he's in | 15:50 |
| @kanzure | it looks like he's signed with a publishing company | 15:50 |
| nmz787 | or was in | 15:50 |
| @kanzure | they probably made him sign away his rights | 15:51 |
| nmz787 | i dunno | 15:51 |
| @fenn | great, now can press all those records | 15:51 |
| nmz787 | the album in question came out like 10 years ago or more | 15:51 |
| nmz787 | i've never heard of him getting anything | 15:51 |
| nmz787 | heh, i could release a torrent | 15:52 |
| @fenn | (i wish recording music on records was understood to be ridiculously crude and bad way of doing things.. but they still exist for some reason) | 15:52 |
| nmz787 | like vinyl? | 15:54 |
| @fenn | yes, platters with grooves in them | 15:54 |
| nmz787 | it's mainly a problem of incomplete coverage of new tech | 15:55 |
| nmz787 | ahh | 15:55 |
| nmz787 | i thought you were gonna say any non-digital format | 15:55 |
| @fenn | what, like cassette tapes? | 15:55 |
| nmz787 | cause my truck doesn't have an AUX in, so CDs are still handy | 15:55 |
| @fenn | CD's are digital | 15:55 |
| nmz787 | solid state? | 15:55 |
| @fenn | hard drives aren't usually solid state | 15:55 |
| nmz787 | what is then? | 15:55 |
| nmz787 | CD, tape, hdd are all SOLID | 15:56 |
| @fenn | er, that's not what 'solid state' means | 15:56 |
| nmz787 | hrmm | 15:56 |
| @fenn | it tends to mean "no moving parts" | 15:56 |
| nmz787 | ahh | 15:56 |
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| @fenn | flash memory is the only widely deployed solid state recording technology | 15:57 |
| nmz787 | the electrons move | 15:57 |
| @fenn | so do the atoms | 15:57 |
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| ThomasEgi | nmz787, i hardly count electrons as an mechanical part | 15:57 |
| nmz787 | they;re part of most/all states | 15:57 |
| ThomasEgi | there are also ring-core memories.. but those are fairly exotic and only used in some old spacecrafts | 15:58 |
| nmz787 | fenn didnt say mechanical | 15:58 |
| @fenn | the idea is to improve reliability by eliminating wear and reducing the number of failure modes | 15:58 |
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| nmz787 | well i guess nothing can't move by that definition at temp | 15:58 |
| @fenn | you wouldn't be able to maintain something at absolute zero and also add or remove information | 15:58 |
| nmz787 | does anyone in here know about professional studio/stage audio recording | 16:00 |
| @fenn | not particularly.. talk to theBear | 16:00 |
| @kanzure | wrldpc does.. he released a few albums | 16:00 |
| @kanzure | i think he's currently deployed in japan? | 16:01 |
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| ThomasEgi | nmz787, if you want to build a microphone preamplifier i can help you. but other than that you better ask someone else | 16:03 |
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| nmz787 | i'm not sure what the best setup for capturing my dad play live with studio-quality | 16:04 |
| ThomasEgi | what does he play? | 16:04 |
| nmz787 | bass, but in blues bands | 16:04 |
| ThomasEgi | so you need to capture the entire band? | 16:04 |
| nmz787 | generally | 16:05 |
| nmz787 | i was thinking something that could use my HTC Evo, which has 720p video recording | 16:05 |
| ThomasEgi | video is one thing. audio another | 16:05 |
| nmz787 | so it would just be convenient but also decent | 16:06 |
| nmz787 | it could've been the camcorder app but the audio on music i've recorded on my phone seemed way overamplified | 16:06 |
| nmz787 | but the app doesn't let you mess with mic levels | 16:06 |
| ThomasEgi | mic's in mobile/smartphones arent really made for professional recording. | 16:07 |
| nmz787 | so then i was thinking a better mic coming into the mic port on the phone | 16:07 |
| nmz787 | or via bluetooth | 16:07 |
| ThomasEgi | they are cheap and optimized for low power and voice | 16:07 |
| nmz787 | ya | 16:07 |
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| ThomasEgi | a good mic, in reasonably close distance to the instruments. | 16:07 |
| ThomasEgi | since it's a blues band , featuring instruments with low frequencies. you may wanna pick a mic that offers decent recording levels at lower frequencies | 16:08 |
| ThomasEgi | like medium or large diameter condenser. or if you can find someone, a ribbon mic | 16:08 |
| ThomasEgi | no use to buy that stuff as it is expensive. but if you can find someone to lend it from. go for it | 16:09 |
| nmz787 | it's weird that my dad doesn't have much of himself recorded | 16:09 |
| nmz787 | he plays all the time, and has been my whole life | 16:09 |
| nmz787 | so though i don't have $ to spend on something ideal, ideally he would just have something cellphone sized on a small tripod | 16:11 |
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| nmz787 | that he just sits down when he get's to a club/bar | 16:11 |
| nmz787 | ok camcorder sized | 16:11 |
| juri_ | you could try one of those android DTV converters. | 16:11 |
| juri_ | they're USB powered (so easy to rig a big battery to), and have a usb port you could plug into whatever sound card. | 16:12 |
| nmz787 | audio would be more important than video, but 720p and 1080p cameras are spy sized now | 16:12 |
| nmz787 | and support at least 16gb SDHC cards | 16:12 |
| juri_ | for video, just use a hub, and a webcam. | 16:12 |
| juri_ | they've got SD card ports in the side of them. | 16:12 |
| nmz787 | digital tv or directv? | 16:13 |
| juri_ | digital TV. | 16:13 |
| nmz787 | not finding anything | 16:14 |
| nmz787 | ahh now i do | 16:14 |
| nmz787 | tuner not converter | 16:14 |
| ThomasEgi | the problem with audio is... the microphone. | 16:14 |
| ThomasEgi | pretty much all recording mechanisms have a decent quality. but the microphone itself is the weak point | 16:15 |
| nmz787 | yeah | 16:15 |
| nmz787 | the HW side is easy | 16:15 |
| nmz787 | raspI would work well too | 16:15 |
| nmz787 | so look for a wide diameter condenser mic? | 16:15 |
| ThomasEgi | raspI as in raspberry? | 16:15 |
| nmz787 | like 1 inch, 2 inch? | 16:15 |
| nmz787 | raspberry pi | 16:15 |
| ThomasEgi | doesnt come with audio in | 16:16 |
| nmz787 | oh | 16:16 |
| ThomasEgi | it only has a hardware PCM input. but the drivers are still in development as we speak | 16:16 |
| ThomasEgi | you'd have to use a usb soundcard instead | 16:16 |
| ThomasEgi | as for mic diameters.. half inch or 1 should be totaly fine. | 16:16 |
| ThomasEgi | but.. as i said. they arent cheap | 16:16 |
| nmz787 | i have a feeling there arent any decent USB soundcards | 16:17 |
| ThomasEgi | yeah. most are cheap | 16:17 |
| ThomasEgi | there are a couple of still affordable usb microphones tho. | 16:17 |
| nmz787 | my friend bought a soundcard that you could change the op-amps on | 16:17 |
| ThomasEgi | some with pretty decent quality | 16:17 |
| nmz787 | but that was PCI-e | 16:17 |
| ThomasEgi | the op-amps are just one of many parts | 16:17 |
| ThomasEgi | most cheap soundcards have a horribly power supply/filtering. | 16:18 |
| nmz787 | yeah, but they were socketed i think | 16:18 |
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| nmz787 | ahh ASUS Essence | 16:19 |
| nmz787 | "The bottom section of the multilayer card carries the analog input circuitry, this based on a pair of R4580 low-noise dualop-amp chips, followed by a pair of 5532 dual op-amps. These feed a Cirrus Logic CS5381, a 24-bit A/D converter chip capable of operating at sample rates up to 192kHz and offering a S/N ratio of 110dB." | 16:19 |
| nmz787 | "A high-performance, two-channel, 24-bit D/A convertera Burr-Brown PCM 1792, the same chip used in Musical Fidelity's V-DAC D/A processor" | 16:20 |
| nmz787 | "Although almost all the components used, other than the electrolytic caps, are surface-mount types, the four output-stage op-amp chips are socketed 8-pin types, to allow the owner to experiment with other pin-compatible chips." | 16:20 |
| nmz787 | huh, they made a USB version | 16:21 |
| ThomasEgi | you may want to go with an usb mic to begin with | 16:22 |
| ThomasEgi | they go for 100 to 150 bucks | 16:28 |
| ThomasEgi | oh.. that one goes for 70 on amazon. samson meteor mic | 16:29 |
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| ThomasEgi | those should get you noticably better sound than what most webcams/camcorders offer. not quite studio level, but most people probably won't care | 16:31 |
| nmz787 | hmm, cool | 16:33 |
| nmz787 | is there a best direction to point it? | 16:39 |
| @kanzure | httparty/multixml has a similar exploit to CVE-2013-0156 https://gist.github.com/d7f6d9f4925f413621aa | 16:44 |
| ThomasEgi | nmz787, the mic? | 16:46 |
| nmz787 | yeah | 16:47 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: so you're not actually using zotero anywhere? | 16:47 |
| @kanzure | paperbot uses zotero | 16:47 |
| nmz787 | i searched zot and it's only in the comment for ieee | 16:47 |
| @kanzure | line 56 | 16:48 |
| @kanzure | https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot/blob/master/modules/papers.py#L56 | 16:48 |
| ThomasEgi | nmz787, towards whatever you want to record. the position is probably more critical , given you record an entire band. depending on it. you can attenuate some instruments more than others | 16:48 |
| @kanzure | nmz787: i'm using https://github.com/zotero/translation-server | 16:49 |
| nmz787 | ahh zotero is actually running separately | 16:55 |
| @kanzure | yep | 16:56 |
| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/paperbot/commit/?id=956fddff Nathan McCorkle: added printline | 16:57 |
| gnusha | paperbot: reload papers | 16:57 |
| paperbot | gnusha: <module 'papers' from '/srv/ikiwiki/paperbot/modules/papers.py'> (version: 2013-01-11 00:57:24) | 16:57 |
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| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/paperbot/commit/?id=58221d8e Nathan McCorkle: changed printline | 16:59 |
| gnusha | paperbot: reload papers | 16:59 |
| paperbot | gnusha: <module 'papers' from '/srv/ikiwiki/paperbot/modules/papers.py'> (version: 2013-01-11 00:59:03) | 16:59 |
| @kanzure | this is a bad idea | 16:59 |
| paperbot | this is a bad idea | 16:59 |
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| * juri_ laughs. | 17:00 | |
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| @kanzure | yashgaroth: hi. | 17:08 |
| yashgaroth | hello | 17:08 |
| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/paperbot/commit/?id=46c2143e Bryan Bishop: Revert "changed printline" | 17:14 |
| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/paperbot/commit/?id=f186b7d0 Bryan Bishop: Revert "added printline" | 17:14 |
| gnusha | paperbot: reload papers | 17:14 |
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| nmz787 | kanzure: did you add that? | 18:30 |
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| @kanzure | no | 18:54 |
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| nmz787 | xming isn't totally opensource anymore? | 20:37 |
| nmz787 | weird | 20:38 |
| nmz787 | it asks for a password when i try to download it | 20:38 |
| nmz787 | from the dude's website | 20:38 |
| nmz787 | huh | 20:40 |
| nmz787 | donations must be made then you get 1 year worth of downloads http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xming#Newer_Releases | 20:41 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: can you install geany on gnusha | 20:44 |
| @kanzure | nmz787: done | 20:46 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: is xforwarding yes in /etc/ssh/sshd_config | 20:51 |
| nmz787 | ? | 20:51 |
| @kanzure | yes | 20:52 |
| nmz787 | has that been there? | 20:52 |
| @kanzure | it's been enabled for a few years now | 20:52 |
| nmz787 | do i need to export DISPLAY= somethng? | 20:55 |
| juri_ | did you install xhost? | 20:55 |
| nmz787 | i dunno, i got it work work using Xlaunch that came with xming | 20:57 |
| nmz787 | and telling it where ssh.exe was | 20:57 |
| nmz787 | instead of trying with ssh -X | 20:58 |
| nmz787 | :/ | 20:58 |
| @kanzure | ssh -X bryan@gnusha.org "x-www-browser" | 21:00 |
| @kanzure | works for me.. | 21:00 |
| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/paperbot/commit/?id=e4074d2b Nathan McCorkle: attempt at multi URL downloads | 21:08 |
| gnusha | paperbot: reload papers | 21:08 |
| paperbot | gnusha: <module 'papers' from '/srv/ikiwiki/paperbot/modules/papers.py'> (version: 2013-01-11 05:08:43) | 21:08 |
| nmz787 | hmm | 21:10 |
| nmz787 | i think some continues need to be breaks | 21:11 |
| nmz787 | maybe? | 21:11 |
| @kanzure | paperbot: http://cen.acs.org/articles/91/i1/ACS-Posts-Online-Review-Leadscope.html http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/articleDetails.jsp?arnumber=901261 | 21:11 |
| nmz787 | oh | 21:12 |
| nmz787 | maybe my tab and space is messed up | 21:12 |
| nmz787 | yep | 21:12 |
| nmz787 | i used tabs | 21:12 |
| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/paperbot/commit/?id=6dcb23e2 Nathan McCorkle: tabs to spaces | 21:14 |
| gnusha | paperbot: reload papers | 21:14 |
| paperbot | gnusha: <module 'papers' from '/srv/ikiwiki/paperbot/modules/papers.py'> (version: 2013-01-11 05:14:19) | 21:14 |
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| @kanzure | nmz787: thanks | 21:26 |
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| nmz787 | these zotero translators look big | 21:33 |
| nmz787 | are they mostly the same? | 21:34 |
| @kanzure | yes, but one or two are different- like the ieee xplore one which requires opening a few windows (zotero/translation-server does not support this yet) | 21:35 |
| @kanzure | also for some reason sciencedirect isn't working either | 21:36 |
| @kanzure | fun fact, the only other contributor to zotero/translation-server is jason morrison who you might remember from diybio | 21:37 |
| nmz787 | pdx.edu mentioned zotero and endnote in my lab today | 21:37 |
| nmz787 | heh | 21:37 |
| nmz787 | interesting | 21:37 |
| @kanzure | yeah, it's a popular firefox extension | 21:37 |
| nmz787 | other than who? | 21:37 |
| @kanzure | http://zotero.org/ | 21:37 |
| @kanzure | simonw, some guy employed to work on zotero full-time | 21:38 |
| nmz787 | ahh | 21:38 |
| @kanzure | erm, simon kornblith | 21:38 |
| @kanzure | https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/zotero/ | 21:38 |
| @kanzure | ah nevermind. he's not full-time on it. | 21:39 |
| @kanzure | hmm i didn't see this before https://github.com/simonster/zotero-translator-tools | 21:40 |
| @kanzure | the issue we care about to get ieee xplore working is https://github.com/zotero/translation-server/issues/3 | 21:41 |
| nmz787 | any idea what the fix is? | 21:50 |
| nmz787 | i'm looking at a raw dump from paperbot | 21:50 |
| @kanzure | i've added some details about a possible fix here: | 21:52 |
| @kanzure | https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot/issues/5#issuecomment-12132741 | 21:52 |
| @kanzure | basicaly it involves me writing some code in https://github.com/zotero/translation-server/blob/master/src/hacks.js | 21:53 |
| nmz787 | p.s. i didn't actually read tht regex carefully | 21:54 |
| nmz787 | i just copied it and tested it | 21:54 |
| @kanzure | i am sure it will burn my house down | 21:54 |
| nmz787 | so in the real ieee explore page, the download pdf link just links to some stamp.jsp line | 22:03 |
| @kanzure | yeah it seems to go abstract page with a "pdf" link -> stamp.js with an iframe -> iframe possibly has the pdf file itself | 22:04 |
| @kanzure | erm, stmp.jsp | 22:05 |
| @kanzure | stamp.. can't type :( | 22:05 |
| nmz787 | here <meta name="citation_pdf_url" | 22:08 |
| nmz787 | the .pdf is right there | 22:08 |
| nmz787 | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/654cc26b966e3b196430516f522b9001 | 22:08 |
| @kanzure | yes, but for some reason that's not what IEEE Xplore.js is looking at | 22:10 |
| @kanzure | https://github.com/zotero/translators/blob/master/IEEE%20Xplore.js | 22:10 |
| @kanzure | they seem to be using http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/downloadCitations | 22:11 |
| @kanzure | maybe that should just be thrown out | 22:11 |
| nmz787 | well i found that link in the raw dump that paperbot or whatever spit out | 22:13 |
| @kanzure | looking at the history of that file, it seems that nobody was ever in charge of it really; just random accumulated fixes. so redoing it is probably worthwhile. | 22:14 |
| @kanzure | yeah | 22:14 |
| nmz787 | sooo, how do I edit that and test it? | 22:14 |
| @kanzure | i haven't set that up. right now i just git pull and recompile translation-server when i want to test an update to that file. | 22:14 |
| @kanzure | if you have firefox, you can test the js file by using the zotero extension | 22:15 |
| nmz787 | you mean the translator? | 22:16 |
| @kanzure | yes. | 22:16 |
| nmz787 | i'm not sure what I would even add | 22:16 |
| @kanzure | well.. it's a bit of work, i didn't think you would want to do it | 22:17 |
| @kanzure | http://www.zotero.org/support/dev/how_to_write_a_zotero_translator_plusplus | 22:17 |
| @kanzure | much of this text is bullshit and you can just copy another translator that works, like the nature one | 22:18 |
| nmz787 | where is the raw dump getting saved? | 22:22 |
| @kanzure | in here http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/ | 22:22 |
| nmz787 | i mean code-wise | 22:23 |
| @kanzure | zotero translators just extract metadata from a page. translation-server makes it so that i don't have to run firefox. paperbot makes it so that it downloads the pdf from the metadata that translation-server returns. | 22:23 |
| @kanzure | here's where the pdf is finally downloaded from the remote server https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot/blob/master/modules/papers.py#L71 | 22:24 |
| nmz787 | soo raw dump is getting passed to paperbot? | 22:24 |
| @kanzure | a url is being passed to paperbot | 22:24 |
| nmz787 | but does paperdump get that raw dump | 22:25 |
| nmz787 | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/654cc26b966e3b196430516f522b9001 | 22:25 |
| nmz787 | who saves that | 22:25 |
| nmz787 | zotero or paperbot | 22:25 |
| @kanzure | paperbot saves that here (as a backup, it's better than not doing anything at all) https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot/blob/master/modules/papers.py#L142 | 22:25 |
| @kanzure | in download_url | 22:25 |
| nmz787 | can't we just regex for the .pdf i found in there and save it? | 22:26 |
| @kanzure | paperbot only does that when zotero fails to do an interesting thing | 22:26 |
| @kanzure | possibly, but how would you get the title? | 22:26 |
| nmz787 | k, so add an if .pdf in | 22:26 |
| nmz787 | oh | 22:26 |
| @kanzure | some pdfs have the title inside the pdf file itself | 22:27 |
| @kanzure | but not all. because some publishers hate us. | 22:27 |
| @kanzure | and maybe the title isn't important. | 22:28 |
| nmz787 | can you tell where in the translator it's returning that 501? | 22:28 |
| @kanzure | http 501 happens when zotero says "No translators available" | 22:28 |
| @kanzure | a few moments ago it said: | 22:29 |
| @kanzure | zotero(3)(+0000000): Translators: Looking for translators for http://www.zotero.org/support/dev/how_to_write_a_zotero_translator_plusplus | 22:29 |
| nmz787 | wait, but the .js /does/ exist | 22:29 |
| @kanzure | zotero(5)(+0000001): HTTP/1.0 501 Method Not Implemented | 22:29 |
| nmz787 | ok lemme look at that | 22:29 |
| @kanzure | paperbot: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/articleDetails.jsp?arnumber=901261 | 22:30 |
| paperbot | error: HTTP 500 http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/c6371daffcba15f114402e0d72166b3d | 22:30 |
| @kanzure | that's 500 not 501.. 500 is "oh shit something exploded" (in this case, the thing that paperbot issue #5 is talking about) | 22:30 |
| @kanzure | isn't javascript wonderful | 22:31 |
| nmz787 | :P | 22:31 |
| nmz787 | /s/501/500/ | 22:31 |
| nmz787 | :D | 22:31 |
| nmz787 | so what's 500 | 22:33 |
| nmz787 | i mean, if the .js is there | 22:33 |
| nmz787 | where's it being signalled from? | 22:33 |
| @kanzure | http 500 and http 501 are the http status codes from translation-server | 22:35 |
| @kanzure | here's what translation server is complaining about for http 500: | 22:35 |
| @kanzure | https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot/issues/5#issuecomment-12133382 | 22:35 |
| nmz787 | paperbot: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/articleDetails.jsp?arnumber=901261 | 22:36 |
| paperbot | error: HTTP 500 http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/92f4ab157cc6fed1067f6b7800a821da | 22:36 |
| nmz787 | paperbot: http://cen.acs.org/articles/91/i1/ACS-Posts-Online-Review-Leadscope.html | 22:36 |
| paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/396aef7979855d47559f306d7c379f9 | 22:36 |
| nmz787 | ahh | 22:36 |
| nmz787 | that's where i got confused | 22:36 |
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| @kanzure | M-f and M-b on bash is really useful | 23:40 |
| @kanzure | "Dear Shareholder, Mesoblast Limited today released an announcement entitled ‘Mesoblast’s Neofuse Stem Cell product shows positive Results in Phase 2 Lumbar Spinal Fusion Trial’.". hrmm. | 23:42 |
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