| --- Log opened Sat Jan 12 00:00:28 2013 | ||
| JayDugger | Oh, my. | 00:00 |
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| @kanzure | http://ia601205.us.archive.org/25/items/UsaV.AaronSwartz-CriminalDocument53/UsaV.AaronSwartz-CriminalDocument53.pdf | 00:02 |
| JayDugger | "Both MIT and JSTOR were required to expend significant resources to respond to Swartz's unlawful access to their systems"? | 00:06 |
| JayDugger | Does that sort of bullshit stand up in trial? Good enough for an indictment, apparently. | 00:06 |
| JayDugger | "damage affecting at least 10 protected computers?" wtf? | 00:07 |
| superkuh | For the feds "damage" means you inconvenienced someone who was technically ignorant. | 00:09 |
| JayDugger | How does MIT count as technically ignorant? | 00:10 |
| superkuh | "Both MIT and JSTOR were required to expend significant resources to respond to Swartz's unlawful access to their systems" | 00:10 |
| @kanzure | https://github.com/aaronsw?tab=activity | 00:12 |
| @kanzure | what was most alarming to me about that document was that alec resnick and quinn norton squealed on him | 00:12 |
| @kanzure | http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5046940 | 00:12 |
| @kanzure | i've hung out with alec and i think i've met with quinn; i've certainly emailed with both of them before. | 00:13 |
| @kanzure | also that alec had a partial fingerprint on the laptop. | 00:13 |
| superkuh | Resisting a Grand Jury is hard. | 00:14 |
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| @kanzure | i haven't tried | 00:14 |
| JayDugger | May you never have the need. | 00:15 |
| JayDugger | Did JSTOR actually block IP addresses as the document claims? | 00:17 |
| JayDugger | Did they actually block all of MIT? | 00:18 |
| @kanzure | publishers do that from time to time when something is going wrong | 00:18 |
| JayDugger | Sure, but did they? | 00:18 |
| JayDugger | I can search it for myself, but do you remember if that happened? | 00:19 |
| @kanzure | what do you want? evidence like some ping timeouts? | 00:20 |
| @kanzure | when a publisher blocks a campus, nobody usually mentions it because not having access is almost the norm anyway.. | 00:21 |
| JayDugger | No, that's fine. I imagined something like "I remember hearing that happened" or "I remember reading about it at the time." | 00:21 |
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| JayDugger | In which of the documents did you find the statements about Quinn and Resnick? | 00:34 |
| @kanzure | http://gnusha.org/logs/2012-09-15.log | 00:35 |
| @kanzure | "He posted what appeared to be a suicide note on his blog five years ago, and the police were called.It's still there, but he edited it to change the name to "Alex".http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/dying " | 00:43 |
| JayDugger | All very sad news... | 00:53 |
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| @kanzure | google-chrome crashed while bookmarking all tabs. so much for that! | 02:19 |
| Sanky | firefox managed that pretty well; many many years ago before saving sessions I just bookmarked all tabs, then opened them all the next day | 02:24 |
| @kanzure | yep, i'm using bookmark all tabs as a poor man's session manager | 02:25 |
| @kanzure | there's no reason all tabs shouldn't be stored anyway | 02:25 |
| Sanky | by the way, I'm looking to locate my old browser profiles and compile a full day-to-day browsing history in a readable format | 02:27 |
| joshcryer | Politicians resist grand jury-style questioning on an alarming basis. The simple answer is "I don't know," or "I don't remember." | 02:27 |
| Sanky | somebody must have done that already | 02:27 |
| ElixirVitae | I came here to bring new, but seems you are already on it. | 02:27 |
| ElixirVitae | *s/new/news | 02:27 |
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| ElixirVitae | Sanky, use FEBE for firefox. | 02:30 |
| ElixirVitae | I suppose it can do that. | 02:30 |
| ElixirVitae | Not sure though. | 02:30 |
| Sanky | cool, iirc firefox used sqlite for everything though so I was just going to dig into that | 02:31 |
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| HEx2 | holy fuck. </Aaron> | 09:09 |
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| @kanzure | huh, will ware worked with him. | 10:02 |
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| abetusk | kanzure, you use brl-cad and not blender for modeling? | 11:06 |
| @kanzure | for cad projects, i vastly prefer brlcad over blender | 11:07 |
| @kanzure | when i'm making movies, i use blender. | 11:07 |
| @kanzure | http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/apr/22/academic-publishing-monopoly-challenged | 11:11 |
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| @kanzure | http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2013/01/12/aaron-swartz/ | 11:21 |
| @kanzure | "I haven’t seen Swartz since those early Reddit days but he would sometimes email me to correct mistakes in my Weblog. Sometimes the mistakes were typos." | 11:21 |
| @kanzure | "At other times the mistakes, in Swartz’s view, were mental. In response to my “Economy Recovery Plan” of November 2008, Swartz wrote “Wow, this article is so ignorant of basic economics it deserves another email.”" | 11:21 |
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| @kanzure | and he specified sbp as his executor (the guy who wrote phenny) http://www.aaronsw.com/2002/continuity | 11:30 |
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| @kanzure | the court documents from 2011-2012 show that aaronsw transferred his collection to an unidentified server in china, so.. you know. treasure hunt. | 11:58 |
| @kanzure | lost pirate treasure | 11:58 |
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| @kanzure | oh that makes much more sense. quinn was in a relationship with him. i always wondered why she was mentioned in the court proceedings. | 12:28 |
| @kanzure | http://www.quinnnorton.com/said/?p=644 | 12:28 |
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| @kanzure | Humean: hello | 13:33 |
| Humean | howdy kanzure | 13:34 |
| @kanzure | what brings you this way? | 13:36 |
| Humean | found the channel in the log where you quote about inducements | 13:36 |
| Humean | thought it sounds like a cool place to lurk | 13:36 |
| Humean | hope that's ok | 13:36 |
| @kanzure | yep. see /topic etc. etc. | 13:37 |
| juri_ | i enjoy lurking here. helps me keep my crazy ideas a little more in the realm of sane. | 13:38 |
| Humean | sounds about right | 13:38 |
| brownies | i'm just here for the glowing cats. i have dibs on the first one. | 13:39 |
| chris_99 | hehe | 13:45 |
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| @kanzure | "Not only that but the actual trespassing charge was dropped. So it wasn't even part of the case." | 14:08 |
| nmz787 | i thought quinn was a guy's name | 14:10 |
| yashgaroth | I've seen both | 14:10 |
| nmz787 | i almost thought he was gay for a sec | 14:10 |
| @kanzure | fenn used to live with quinn i think, maybe? | 14:19 |
| @kanzure | at langton i mean. | 14:19 |
| @fenn | she appears for a month every six months or so | 14:31 |
| @fenn | and her orbiting satellite | 14:31 |
| juri_ | https://thepiratebay.se/torrent/6554331 | 15:04 |
| juri_ | the accademic papers you were hunting for. | 15:04 |
| @kanzure | nope, that's just one journal | 15:05 |
| @kanzure | jstor has many journals | 15:05 |
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| nmz787 | is a tricorder just a video camera for life? | 15:14 |
| @kanzure | damn, google chrome is crashing each time i save all tabs as bookmarks. i wonder what's wrong. | 15:14 |
| nmz787 | like a neck chain security cam? | 15:14 |
| joehot | kanzure: chrome is supposed to save tabs on crash | 15:22 |
| joehot | unless youre not crashing | 15:22 |
| joehot | but saving all tabs as bookmarks might be a reliable way to crash | 15:22 |
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| eudoxia | kanz | 15:23 |
| eudoxia | if you just close the window the tabs will be automatically saved on the "recently closed" list | 15:23 |
| eudoxia | so when you fire up chrome again there should be an entry labeled "n Tabs" | 15:23 |
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| @fenn | "I ask that the contents of all my hard drives be made publicly available from aaronsw.com" | 15:43 |
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| juri_ | if only licensing worked that way. | 15:47 |
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| @fenn | kanzure: for what it's worth, quinn has told me not to tell her anything sensitive because of how many times she has been indicted | 16:13 |
| @fenn | i thought we had some kind of law protecting journalists from revealing their sources | 16:14 |
| @fenn | er, not indicted, subpoenaed (bleh) | 16:16 |
| yashgaroth | yeah it's a lot easier to catch people when they think they won't get caught | 16:16 |
| nmz787 | how do i line count for whole dir? | 16:23 |
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| @fenn | nmz787: ls | wc -l ? | 16:26 |
| @fenn | or cat * | wc -l | 16:26 |
| @fenn | "I frequently have a mad desire to move to wooden shack and become a Debian developer. Imagine my delight when I discovered that one of my favourite Debian developers really does live in a cabin in the woods. Is ending up in a shack really that bad, if you never have to feel lonely?" | 16:36 |
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| nmz787 | kanzure: none of those portland contacts responded to my email to them | 16:52 |
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| AlonzoTG | I'm a stalkee?!?!?!? | 17:17 |
| @kanzure | eudoxia: i don't want tabs to be saved as a session. when chrome starts i only want one window with no tabs. | 17:24 |
| @kanzure | fenn: yes, that's worth something, thanks for letting me know | 17:24 |
| @kanzure | also, i met a debian developer in a shack once when i went to canada. | 17:25 |
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| nmz787 | kanzure: where is the most recent carson price plot? | 17:42 |
| nmz787 | carlson* | 17:42 |
| @kanzure | nmz787: somewhere in http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/nucleic/ | 17:44 |
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| strangewarp | haha, someone just told me to stop associating with anyone who was friends with Aaron Swartz, so they don't frame me for hacking | 19:00 |
| strangewarp | the people who were his friends, I mean | 19:01 |
| strangewarp | that is slightly ludicrous. why do I know so many clueless people | 19:01 |
| strangewarp | oh whoops I just realized I phrased that badly. The person is afraid Swartz's friends would frame me for something, because they're a clueless person. | 19:02 |
| strangewarp | and I thought that was ridiculous. | 19:03 |
| @kanzure | oh right, i bet most people think he was a dangerous hax0r | 19:46 |
| strangewarp | seems that way | 19:46 |
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| @kanzure | haha mit blew up http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5049680 | 21:32 |
| yashgaroth | "the downfall of MIT as an amazing place, outside bio/biotech" ehhhh | 21:34 |
| @kanzure | the only place at mit i keep hearing about is csail or cba | 21:37 |
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| ThomasEgi | gnachtiii | 21:56 |
| ThomasEgi | wrong tab | 21:56 |
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| @kanzure | ah yes a religion for my inner archivist http://kopimism.org/ (blah blah blah, copy all the bytes) | 23:29 |
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| joshcryer | I suspect Aaron's death will result in some folks taking what he did to a super high level and we'll the the freed archive we've been wanting. | 23:34 |
| @kanzure | jstor has only a small fraction of everything though | 23:35 |
| @kanzure | i guess you didn't say jstor | 23:35 |
| @kanzure | so okay | 23:35 |
| * joshcryer pats kanzure on the head | 23:36 | |
| joehot | i suspect they would use that as evidence that anyone supporting the cause is a terrorist | 23:36 |
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| joshcryer | I must admit that the attention span of hacktivists could be too short for them to do it since we're talking a pretty decent sized effort. It's a nice thought in any event... | 23:37 |
| @kanzure | well, we were working on a thing to do that for a while | 23:37 |
| @kanzure | until people in here stopped contributing | 23:37 |
| @kanzure | next version will involve mobile proxies | 23:38 |
| joshcryer | I've mused about it here before. But I wouldn't do something like that with collaborators. | 23:39 |
| @kanzure | it's a pretty big task | 23:39 |
| @kanzure | to get all the metadata and papers on your own would be fairly hard to pull off | 23:39 |
| @kanzure | about 200 different publishers, so you'd need to write scrapers for each of those | 23:40 |
| @kanzure | and ultimately you're grabbing 50 million articles, so you need a few tens of terabytes to toss around (not that big a deal) | 23:40 |
| @kanzure | and then you need to do this all anonymously without tipping your hand.. this part is more difficult. | 23:40 |
| joshcryer | Fair enough. | 23:40 |
| @kanzure | the other problem is that as you add contributors to that operation you increase the likelihood of a privacy violation almost geometrically with each new member | 23:40 |
| joshcryer | That is my concern right there. | 23:41 |
| @kanzure | or perhaps worse than geometrically | 23:41 |
| @kanzure | i suppose it should be possible for a single person to do | 23:42 |
| joehot | what if everyone were a contributor | 23:42 |
| @kanzure | well you would have to tell them the domain name that the server is running on | 23:42 |
| @kanzure | and then someone could trace that back to whoever registered it, or who is accessing it, etc. | 23:42 |
| @kanzure | or not even a domain name, of course | 23:43 |
| joshcryer | I think you'd want a distributed searchable application which would be the most difficult part. It could run on the mobile proxies that you'd have installed and whose use for scraping is pretty much over with. | 23:44 |
| @kanzure | why is distributed searching important? | 23:44 |
| @kanzure | just release it all at once | 23:44 |
| joshcryer | Sure, you could drop a torrent somewhere. | 23:45 |
| @kanzure | i don't see what distributed searching has to do with it though | 23:46 |
| @kanzure | maybe i'm just bad at web development? | 23:46 |
| joshcryer | I think it would be useful. | 23:46 |
| joshcryer | Obviously a central website can be taken down and a torrent of that size is not going to be easy to seed and a central server can be raided. | 23:47 |
| @kanzure | and "distributed search" is .. i just don't see why you're talking about search. who cares? just grab it all. | 23:49 |
| joshcryer | I guess I'm appealing to an inner desire for something to have more function than simply an archive. | 23:51 |
| @kanzure | ah. well. someone else should take the data and then make applications on top of it. | 23:52 |
| @kanzure | but the important thing is the data itself first. | 23:52 |
| joshcryer | True enough. | 23:52 |
| joshcryer | I need a good Canadian proxy. | 23:56 |
| joshcryer | I miss the days of the mid 90s where you could get a good SOCKS proxy trivally. | 23:56 |
| joshcryer | (I'm too cheap to pay for VPN) | 23:57 |
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