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| nmz787 | cool | 00:36 |
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| nmz787 | got that to work pretty well | 00:36 |
| @kanzure | paste the code http://gist.github.com/ | 00:36 |
| nmz787 | https://gist.github.com/4554609 | 00:45 |
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| nmz787 | ttyl | 00:47 |
| @kanzure | my suggestion: never use single letter variable names, ever | 00:49 |
| @kanzure | otherwise looks okay | 00:49 |
| eleitl | morning, gentlemen. | 00:50 |
| @kanzure | morning, commander. | 00:51 |
| eleitl | :) | 00:51 |
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| nsh | kanzure | 01:03 |
| nsh | pm | 01:03 |
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| @kanzure | ponged. | 01:36 |
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| dende | hi using a console-curses irc weechat | 01:38 |
| dende | usually i use pidgin, which irc clients do you use ? | 01:39 |
| juri_ | i'm using irssi. | 01:40 |
| eleitl | also irssi here | 01:40 |
| dende | yes looks nice i just saw some screenshots | 01:41 |
| dende | i wonder why anyone would chose standalone clients over multi-protocol programs such as empathy and pidgin | 01:42 |
| dende | do you use only irc ? | 01:42 |
| dende | i installed this standalone irc "weechat" supports scripting plugins etc , i need him for a project i'm working on which will communicate to programs over an irc channel | 01:43 |
| dende | on 2 servers | 01:44 |
| @kanzure | eleitl: you should tell liberationtech about science-liberation-front | 01:44 |
| juri_ | i only use irc, and keep all my irssi sessions inside of screen. | 01:44 |
| dende | do you use a gui, windows manager etc ? or plain old terminal ? | 01:45 |
| dende | you would be deprived of the internet if that were the case, so i doubt it very much lol | 01:45 |
| juri_ | I'm using a multi-headed linux box. one head just for irc sessions with no window decoration, the other running some *box window manager. | 01:46 |
| @kanzure | the internet works without a gui, i don't see your point | 01:46 |
| dende | yes i actually meant web browsing | 01:46 |
| dende | took me too literally | 01:46 |
| dende | multi-headed is dual boot same ? | 01:46 |
| juri_ | not at all. two physical screens. | 01:47 |
| @kanzure | sigh | 01:47 |
| dende | ok i understand | 01:47 |
| @kanzure | i still intend to answer your earlier questions but it will have to wait for another day. | 01:47 |
| dende | haha | 01:48 |
| juri_ | kanzure: you looking for some other project to foist me onto? ;) | 01:48 |
| @kanzure | no | 01:48 |
| eleitl | will do, kanzure | 01:48 |
| @kanzure | i just didn't look at your links | 01:48 |
| eleitl | I thought I've forwarded some emails there already | 01:48 |
| @kanzure | i don't read that list so i wouldn't know | 01:48 |
| eleitl | I read so that you don't have to | 01:49 |
| juri_ | oh. ok, you've still got some time. i've probably got a week of hacking still to do. | 01:49 |
| * eleitl is effectively a human router at this stage in life | 01:49 | |
| dende | juri what are you hacking? biology, hardware or software ? | 01:49 |
| @kanzure | eleitl: i realized years ago that you are a sophisticated postfix spam filter gone terribly wrong | 01:50 |
| eleitl | ;) | 01:50 |
| juri_ | dende: right now, EMR software. i'll get back around to hacking all three soon. | 01:51 |
| dende | i'm wondering what language to put my ircchat script in, i have choice of ruby, perl, pyhton, Lua, Tcl, Guile | 01:51 |
| dende | do you get paid for your hacking endeavours or are you a spare-time hobbyist | 01:52 |
| juri_ | yes. ;) | 01:53 |
| juri_ | i'm a full time hacker. sometimes i'm paid, sometimes im just doing to contribute. | 01:53 |
| dende | thats nice | 01:54 |
| dende | i feel like i am working my way up, gaining experience in areas i lack it | 01:54 |
| dende | which at the momement is scripting and web-page stuff | 01:54 |
| dende | currently i am playing with css and html, probably will have to use js or php because i am going to make a ranking table which is created dynamically | 01:56 |
| dende | from input data over an irc channel, fed from some other servers which hold the data which i want to process | 01:56 |
| @kanzure | please don't start with php | 01:56 |
| @kanzure | i will kickban you | 01:57 |
| dende | right | 01:57 |
| dende | then js it is :P | 01:57 |
| eleitl | friends don't let friends use php | 01:57 |
| dende | but my good friend already advised me to use publicfile by djb as web server, but i wanted experience, so i uninstalled it and put apache instead | 01:57 |
| dende | i never have heard negative criticism of php, whats all the fuss ? | 01:58 |
| nsh | ahaha | 01:58 |
| @kanzure | dude, just leave | 01:58 |
| @kanzure | you were banned for a reason | 01:59 |
| dende | i will stop , i much rather sit silently than be ushered out | 02:00 |
| * kanzure sleeps | 02:00 | |
| eleitl | good night | 02:00 |
| * juri_ sleeps | 02:00 | |
| eleitl | we GMT+1 tribe will shoulder the load interim | 02:00 |
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| dende | how many years it took you to realize the problems of php, did you notice them first-hand? *kanzure can i speak a bit further?* | 02:04 |
| eleitl | the problems of php were obvious the very moment it was released | 02:04 |
| dende | ok thats all i wanted to ask, thank you | 02:04 |
| dende | i cross php off, now i balance python and ruby and perl | 02:05 |
| dende | any recommendation ? | 02:05 |
| eleitl | perl is a bit obsolete, though it has a large codebase | 02:05 |
| eleitl | I do not see much advantage of ruby over python, and some or the ruby community gives me the willies | 02:06 |
| eleitl | So python looks like a good conservative choice at the moment. | 02:06 |
| dende | ty | 02:06 |
| eleitl | Ruby doesn't hurt, though I probably would want to stay away from RoR. | 02:06 |
| dende | i was familiar with webserver addon php-cgi, is there addons for python which can do similar job? | 02:07 |
| eleitl | If you want to look into python, there are interesting things like Twisted, django, and the likes. | 02:07 |
| gedankenstuecke | dende: there are python wsgi adapters for apache | 02:08 |
| gedankenstuecke | (and other webservers as well) | 02:08 |
| eleitl | apart from native webservers in Python, I would look into nginx and fcgi | 02:09 |
| dende | ok, that opens my horizons ty appreciated | 02:10 |
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| eleitl | apache is bit long in the tooth and overkill for many purposes | 02:18 |
| eleitl | you can combine nginx/apache just fine | 02:18 |
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| eleitl | for small footprint applications asynchronous webservers (though apache does have an async option now) have an edge | 02:19 |
| dende | wikipedia irc server ? can i get on there too? | 02:19 |
| eleitl | too often you see small systems killed by running out of memory by having to serve many requests | 02:19 |
| * eleitl has no idea about wikipedia | 02:20 | |
| dende | yes i am running only on a virtual private server | 02:20 |
| dende | so i have not much memory to spare | 02:20 |
| dende | i am reading up django atm | 02:21 |
| eleitl | good, so do look into nginx then | 02:21 |
| eleitl | are you on debian? | 02:21 |
| dende | yes the vps is running debian | 02:23 |
| dende | my home system is linux mint | 02:23 |
| eleitl | nginx is in debian packages | 02:24 |
| eleitl | you might have to look into backports for more freshness | 02:24 |
| gedankenstuecke | dende: depending on what you want to do django may be overkill. it's similar to ruby on rails in terms of size and features, with all the benefits and drawbacks | 02:24 |
| eleitl | in a pinch, roll your own nginx packages | 02:24 |
| eleitl | nginx/fcgi is probably a good start with python on a small vserver | 02:24 |
| dende | ok i'll look into it | 02:25 |
| nsh | NO SPACES BEFORE QUESTION-MARKS | 02:35 |
| nsh | let's at least be civilised. | 02:36 |
| dende | lol | 02:39 |
| dende | its strange that i do apt-get remove --purge for apache2 and its libraries, yet still remains an apache2 folder and some files in the /etc/ dir | 02:43 |
| nsh | it's a conspiracy | 02:46 |
| dende | oh its apt-get --purge remove maybe | 02:49 |
| dende | or just apt-get purge | 02:49 |
| dende | i did apt-get remove --purge | 02:49 |
| dende | but the manual says remove --purge is equivalent to the purge | 02:50 |
| dende | ah found the answer, it was The config files are from the package apache2-common, not apache2, so ... | 02:52 |
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| nsh | good troubleshooting | 03:23 |
| nsh | for future reference there's no way ordering of --purge could make a difference, and it's equivalent apt-get purse <package> | 03:23 |
| nsh | *purge | 03:23 |
| dende | i'm not sure i need a web application framework program for my little website, it seems more for businesses | 03:23 |
| nsh | that would be a semicolon | 03:25 |
| dende | what ever it offers me, i would have more pleasure doing myself :/ | 03:25 |
| nsh | or just a new sentence | 03:25 |
| nsh | what's your website going to do? | 03:25 |
| dende | display a table of names | 03:25 |
| dende | but the order is dynamic and requires updating | 03:25 |
| dende | its a ladder, of rankings, for a game, so the players wish is to be at the top .. | 03:27 |
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| nsh | i see | 03:27 |
| nsh | WAF would probably be overkill | 03:28 |
| nsh | and self-implementation would be educational | 03:28 |
| dende | i want to use python, becasue the others say php is not good | 03:28 |
| dende | but when i research python + nginx, they all recommend some kind of web framework software | 03:28 |
| dende | i hear of this thing called "flup" | 03:28 |
| nsh | php is an awful language by any metric, however it is well established for web and there are lots of resources | 03:28 |
| nsh | python kinda requires some special sauce to do web stuff | 03:29 |
| nsh | haven't heard of flup | 03:29 |
| dende | yes , i do not play on the computer only for the end result, i also do it for a learning curve, and it seems more worthwhile to do it on something which is not frowned upon | 03:29 |
| dende | actually, i only do it for learning curve ^^ | 03:29 |
| dende | the other is ... just to make the learning curve easier to ride | 03:30 |
| nsh | i find a toboggan helps | 03:31 |
| dende | i have 2 things to make today, 1) a fcgi python script to dynamically create a html page with a table 2) to make a python script which this ircchat i am using now (weechat) uses to search irc chat for data and to pass that data to the webserver(nginx) somehow | 03:32 |
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| chris_99 | flask is nice dende for python web dev | 03:33 |
| chris_99 | it's like a micro web framework | 03:33 |
| dende | yes wikipedia listed that as a web framework | 03:33 |
| dende | ok | 03:34 |
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| dende | is it possible for me to not use any web framework at all ? | 03:35 |
| dende | then i just print or echo html lol | 03:35 |
| chris_99 | er, why though | 03:35 |
| chris_99 | flask is really nice and saves you implementing a lot of boring stuff | 03:35 |
| superkuh | You can use nginx and parse the logs with shell scripts to autogenerate pages. | 03:35 |
| superkuh | It's what I do. | 03:35 |
| superkuh | Or whatever server, really. | 03:36 |
| nsh | +1 | 03:36 |
| * nsh just uses netcat and bash | 03:36 | |
| nsh | like god intended | 03:37 |
| dende | you auto generate log pages? for which purpose ? | 03:37 |
| chris_99 | haha, i've tried that before nsh | 03:38 |
| dende | wait i think i know what you mean superkuh, you make deliberate log statements in say javascript? then you parse thoes log statements later on for more autogenerated pages? | 03:40 |
| superkuh | nginx has an access log. I use event driven perl modules to tail it, then parse with regex looking for dynamic page requests, comment submissions, etc. The perl script then names and writes the appropriate html file. | 03:40 |
| dende | oh i get ya | 03:41 |
| superkuh | I use a bit of javascript to invoke reloading of the html in browser. | 03:41 |
| dende | so you are a DIY man | 03:42 |
| dende | event driven, such as the event that the access.log file was written to ? | 03:42 |
| superkuh | I suppose. I don't have the patience to learn how other people do things the right and elegant ways. | 03:42 |
| superkuh | It is a buzzword I am repeating that I believe means the script will not always be taking much processing power and it mostly is sleeping. | 03:43 |
| dende | oh ok , so it does have a loop? just its very slow ? | 03:44 |
| dende | or does it use signals ? | 03:44 |
| superkuh | POE::Wheel::FollowTail | 03:44 |
| eleitl | hello superkuh | 03:45 |
| dende | its clever stuff, leaves me wondering how it knows when to tail it | 03:46 |
| dende | This wheel follows the end of an ever-growing file | 03:47 |
| dende | PollInterval is the number of seconds to wait between file checks.Once FollowTail re-reaches the end of the file, it waits this longbefore checking again. | 03:47 |
| dende | so then it makes it sound simple again, which makes me wonder why fopen doesn't do the job | 03:48 |
| dende | ah right, its about multi threading and saving Lines of Codes | 03:50 |
| dende | now i understand why its more suited for the job | 03:50 |
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| eleitl | not just lines of code, memory footprint under load | 03:57 |
| eleitl | classical apache way is to keep a preforked pool | 03:58 |
| dende | interesting, i am reading about cgi on wiki now | 04:01 |
| eleitl | http://wiki.nginx.org/HttpFastcgiModule | 04:01 |
| eleitl | I can't really say much about python+fcgi+nginx at this point. | 04:04 |
| eleitl | There seem to be multiple frameworks, some more supported and/or lightweight. | 04:04 |
| eleitl | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7048057/running-python-through-fastcgi-for-nginx | 04:05 |
| dende | i am thinking to use web.py | 04:08 |
| dende | but i'm still not sure why i am forced to use a web framework program | 04:08 |
| Sanky | I recommend Flask | 04:10 |
| Sanky | fcgi is only required for deployment | 04:10 |
| Sanky | (and there are other options) | 04:11 |
| dende | what do you mean by its only required for deployment, what is deployment in this context? | 04:12 |
| Sanky | flask has a development server which is trivial to use, but you want to use a real server like nginx for "deployment" (actually running the site publicly) | 04:13 |
| dende | ok so when it comes to deployment , then i face this problem, but in the meantime i use flask, is that it? | 04:14 |
| Sanky | if you decide to use flask at all, then yes, that's the general workflow | 04:14 |
| dende | but how does flask relate to fcgi /w nginx and deployment, and why is flask even necessary | 04:15 |
| Sanky | you want to use a framework, there are multiple, like pyramid, flask, django, web.py as you mentioned | 04:16 |
| dende | i feel i have no choice | 04:16 |
| dende | i don't particularly want to | 04:17 |
| dende | i would rather not | 04:17 |
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| eudoxia | web.py seems nice | 04:17 |
| Sanky | so what are you solving | 04:17 |
| dende | i want to use python to dynamically create a html page | 04:17 |
| dende | its usually called cgi i think | 04:17 |
| dende | and then the faster version fcgi | 04:17 |
| Sanky | if it's only a single page, then you probably don't want an entire framework | 04:18 |
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| dende | so i need a fcgi server which locally communicates with nginx | 04:18 |
| dende | and supports python ? | 04:18 |
| dende | its a single page, yes i want something simple | 04:19 |
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| dende | yes i think the fastcgi communication from teh webserver to the fcgi client is when the content needs to be created, instead of writing to a file, it stores it in memory instead | 04:22 |
| dende | i actually like superkuh's method , which was using an event driven model which responds when a user visits his page, then he responds by writing a file, its very manual, i might try that | 04:23 |
| dende | Although flup is primarily used as a fastcgi server, it also includes a fastcgi client. | 04:24 |
| dende | https://gist.github.com/3720207 | 04:26 |
| dende | what about that | 04:26 |
| dende | http://docs.python.org/2/howto/webservers.html | 04:30 |
| dende | setting up fastcgi | 04:30 |
| dende | i will follow that | 04:30 |
| eleitl | you should look at several alternatives | 04:44 |
| dende | i am fairly confident this is what i want | 04:44 |
| eleitl | see whether they fit your requirements, and are still supported/have a community | 04:44 |
| dende | my requirements are always very minimum | 04:45 |
| eleitl | unfortunately, this whole web monkey business is full of poo | 04:45 |
| dende | i am a lone soldier :P | 04:45 |
| eleitl | if your requirements are minimal, why not a web server written in Python? | 04:45 |
| dende | hehe | 04:45 |
| eleitl | Try Twisted. | 04:45 |
| dende | minimum - but still require dynamic content | 04:46 |
| dende | it seems i am using this after all http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_Server_Gateway_Interface | 04:48 |
| eleitl | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5458631/whats-so-cool-about-twisted | 04:48 |
| dende | wsgi | 04:48 |
| eleitl | I humbly suggest that you don't really know what you want yet | 04:50 |
| eleitl | Perhaps you should spend some time evaluating multiple alternatives before deciding on one. | 04:50 |
| eleitl | You trouble will be that there are too damn many to choose from. | 04:54 |
| dende | my mind craves understanding | 05:00 |
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| nsh | see logs for gist of channel | 06:02 |
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| JayDugger | Good morning, everyone. | 06:20 |
| eleitl | good afternoon | 06:21 |
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| dende | hi whats with the addresses i see | 06:58 |
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| dende | i thought this channel only existed on freenode network, yet i see strange @domain tags which are not that of freenode.net | 06:58 |
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| dende | there must be a way to link to the freenode network | 07:00 |
| dende | or register to it somehow i don't know | 07:00 |
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| chris_99 | what addresses? | 07:00 |
| dende | leave the channel and then come back | 07:01 |
| dende | i will tell you yours | 07:01 |
| chris_99 | that's just the IP/domain of the person connecting | 07:01 |
| dende | oh ok, what sort of ip is "unaffiliated/barriers" | 07:01 |
| chris_99 | that's a cloak | 07:01 |
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| chris_99 | to hide your IP | 07:02 |
| dende | ok i would like one of those | 07:02 |
| chris_99 | go to #freenode | 07:02 |
| chris_99 | and ask | 07:02 |
| dende | ok | 07:02 |
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| balrog | http://m.techcrunch.com/2013/01/17/elsevier-mendeley-education/ | 07:44 |
| eleitl | very nice, my all-in-one zfs install seems to be succeeding | 07:53 |
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| eleitl | is it just me, or is imgur turning into 9gag within a mere week? | 07:58 |
| JayDugger | I've not used either, eleitl, so I can't say. | 08:31 |
| JayDugger | I'm envious of your all-in-one zfs install, though. | 08:32 |
| JayDugger | Do you have any details on the zfs all-in-one to share? | 08:35 |
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| dende | is anyone here well informed about ASM ? | 10:02 |
| dende | i have a small favour to ask | 10:02 |
| ParahSai1in | and you've just wasted everyone-who-could-help-you's time by not asking | 10:03 |
| dende | ok i'll say it | 10:03 |
| dende | i am looking at some asm | 10:03 |
| dende | it looks like this | 10:03 |
| dende | mov edx, offset sub_10013A50 | 10:03 |
| dende | sub edx, 2005DB66h | 10:03 |
| dende | push edi ; lpAddress | 10:03 |
| dende | call esi ; VirtualProtect | 10:03 |
| dende | i skipped some line sinbetween the 3rd and 2nd | 10:04 |
| dende | because not relevant to the question | 10:04 |
| dende | but to my calculations , edi is negative number | 10:04 |
| dende | and that can't be | 10:04 |
| dende | first line : edx stores 10013A50h | 10:04 |
| dende | second line : 10013A50h = 10013A50h - 2005DB66h | 10:04 |
| dende | 2005DB66 is bigger than 10013A50 so its negative | 10:07 |
| dende | have i interpreted the asm wrongly , i assume that i must have done, but where | 10:08 |
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| @kanzure | http://www.boston.com/news/science/blogs/science-in-mind/2013/01/17/safe-dump-this-down-the-drain-ask-biosafety-expert/XjpWRYkgrVcKLMatLPZqTK/blog.html | 10:42 |
| @kanzure | for ask.diybio.org | 10:42 |
| @kanzure | i don't know why they don't just answer questions on the mailing list though | 10:42 |
| @kanzure | seems kinda fishy | 10:42 |
| ParahSai1in | its safe to pour anything down the drain that won't corrode pipes | 10:43 |
| ThomasEgi | ParahSai1in, even if it is so toxic that the vapours will kill half the town? ;) | 10:46 |
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| ParahSai1in | anything you're likely to get your hands on | 10:50 |
| ParahSai1in | obviously your city's wastewater treatment plant bugs are not going to biodegrade radioisotopes | 10:51 |
| ParahSai1in | and exotic reactive chemicals | 10:51 |
| @kanzure | i wonder if they run geiger counters on that waste water | 10:51 |
| ParahSai1in | nah, they just check it for 30 30 -- 30 mg/l oxygen demand, 30 mg/l ammonia | 10:52 |
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| EnLilaSko | http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1468-3083.2009.03513.x/pdf | 11:15 |
| @kanzure | paperbot: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1468-3083.2009.03513.x/pdf | 11:16 |
| EnLilaSko | Or should I rather link the non-buying page? | 11:16 |
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| @kanzure | well maybe that would help | 11:18 |
| @kanzure | paperbot: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1468-3083.2009.03513.x/pdf | 11:18 |
| paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/f1863b6640c214ec2e8c9899ab2a1418.txt | 11:18 |
| ParahSai1in | paperbot: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/store/10.1111/j.1468-3083.2009.03513.x/asset/j.1468-3083.2009.03513.x.pdf?v=1&t=hc2a8moi&s=ca6f1691ca8512738c97890ac8851bc7a26fc47d | 11:19 |
| paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/e3286dca204d9e335d3185c4452fef50.pdf | 11:19 |
| ParahSai1in | paperbot: http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007%2F978-3-642-13772-3_43?LI=true | 11:22 |
| paperbot | error: HTTP 500 http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/cd628a1592c77382b9f568284d75d185.txt | 11:23 |
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| @kanzure | man, these translators suck | 11:23 |
| @kanzure | wiley and springer aren't exactly uncommon | 11:23 |
| ParahSai1in | paperbot: www.springerlink.com/index/K7581P72137Q2W74.pdf | 11:24 |
| @kanzure | needs http | 11:24 |
| ParahSai1in | paperbot: http://www.springerlink.com/index/K7581P72137Q2W74.pdf | 11:25 |
| paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/bf52af3f7c5d9ffc12e80d75feb00975.txt | 11:25 |
| ParahSai1in | paperbot: http://csc.sagepub.com/content/9/2/166.full.pdf+html | 11:26 |
| paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Look%20Out%20New%20World%2C%20Here%20We%20Come%3F%20Race%2C%20Racialization%2C%20and%20Sexuality%20in%20Four%20Children%27s%20Animated%20Films%20by%20Disney%2C%20Pixar%2C%20and%20DreamWorks.pdf | 11:26 |
| ParahSai1in | paperbot: http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF03189650?LI=true | 11:27 |
| paperbot | error: HTTP 500 http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/f133f089d7b5215b531ea7c88254259f.txt | 11:27 |
| ParahSai1in | paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0065230X08609173 | 11:27 |
| paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/c782ecd70ce729e93697f7a08f1980f9.txt | 11:27 |
| ParahSai1in | paperbot: http://pdn.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=MiamiImageURL&_cid=273038&_user=1694017&_pii=S0065230X08609173&_check=y&_origin=article&_zone=toolbar&_coverDate=1955--31&view=c&originContentFamily=serial&wchp=dGLbVlS-zSkWA&md5=fa18a32cb7423bacef792089133880e9&pid=1-s2.0-S0065230X08609173-main.pdf | 11:28 |
| paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/73f8f41acaac6bbe88859bf852c66fa8.txt | 11:28 |
| @kanzure | shiet i didn't think about that | 11:32 |
| @kanzure | most of the zotero translators have spaces in their name | 11:33 |
| @kanzure | oh wait it can still work | 11:33 |
| @kanzure | so i need a post-receive hook in zotero-translators.git on diyhpl.us that will kill the current server and run ~/code/paperbot/translation-server/run.sh | 11:34 |
| @kanzure | run.sh recompiles translation-server with the new translators and then runs the server | 11:34 |
| @kanzure | it's using the translators from /srv/ikiwiki/zotero-translators/ which get compiled from /srv/git/zotero-translators.git | 11:35 |
| @kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/zotero-translators/JSTOR.js | 11:35 |
| @kanzure | jrayhawk: any thoughts on the best way to track instances of zotero translation-server? | 11:36 |
| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=0ea4cd0b Bryan Bishop: add article about ellen jorgensen at ted | 11:44 |
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| ParahSai1in | the big product here apparently is going to be genotyping hundreds of loci while multiplexing thousands of samples on next generation sequencing, and being cheaper than microarray | 12:00 |
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| sivoais | Springer changed its site design completely in the last couple of months, so maybe the new translator isn't as tested? | 12:12 |
| sivoais | (I had written my own scraper and I see that it is now in need of fixing) | 12:13 |
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| @kanzure | balrog: thanks for the ezproxy url | 13:13 |
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| balrog | np | 13:29 |
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| @kanzure | ah there's a /etc/init.d/skeleton | 13:32 |
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| ParahSai1in | cathal: "I'd consider it unethical to operate on anything with vertebra (or Octopus..)." | 13:58 |
| ParahSai1in | boring... | 13:58 |
| ParahSai1in | is he some sort of vegan? | 13:58 |
| @kanzure | pfft next he is going to start saying that operating on humans is "morally dubious" | 13:59 |
| ParahSai1in | i ran over a retarded duck yesterday, but mostly i was sad that i couldnt cook it because i was in a hurry to get to work | 14:01 |
| @kanzure | you're a quack | 14:02 |
| ParahSai1in | i think next thanksgiving im gonna bag one of those | 14:02 |
| ParahSai1in | muscovy ducks are supposed to have very good textured meat | 14:02 |
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| @kanzure | "On another note, why is there only one 'kind' of copyright? Why do the same rules that apply to work written for profit apply to work written for scientific edification?" | 14:27 |
| @kanzure | "Some differentiation there would go a long way towards solving these problems." | 14:27 |
| @kanzure | from http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5075359 | 14:27 |
| @kanzure | welp i broke git on diyhpl.us have fun everyone | 14:37 |
| eudoxia | this is what you get for not using mediawiki | 14:41 |
| * eudoxia is joking | 14:41 | |
| nmz787 | ParahSai1in: yes he's vegan or at least vege | 14:49 |
| ParahSai1in | creepy | 14:54 |
| nmz787 | so i need to replace my truck's speedometer, and I am considering just buying an android table and mouting it where my gauges are currently | 14:54 |
| nmz787 | $50 gets so much, except that it has to boot up... so it might be a while to get speeds if i start driving quickly from key-on | 14:55 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: could you control the brightness very well in android, or is it driver dependent? | 14:56 |
| nmz787 | my cell phone for example is a little too bright on it's lowest setting to work in my dash board at night | 14:56 |
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| @kanzure | nmz787: you could have the tablet in sleep mode, so it would only take a second to activate the screen | 15:02 |
| @kanzure | nmz787: dunno if it works on android, but you could try http://pastebin.com/92neVhUr | 15:03 |
| @kanzure | you will probably have to poke around in /sys to see if there's anything relevant like that | 15:04 |
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| nmz787 | kanzure: do you know of any web libraries that can access a serial port? | 15:31 |
| nmz787 | the spectrometer i used today just has a USB to serial converter in it, and spits out ascii over the port when you ask for a reading | 15:32 |
| nmz787 | so i copy-pasted from terminal each time we took a reading | 15:32 |
| @kanzure | web libraries?... | 15:32 |
| @kanzure | well you could write a small web application that access the serial port of the server | 15:32 |
| nmz787 | but i'm wondering what I could write that wouldn't need to be installed | 15:32 |
| @kanzure | for instance, python/flask | 15:33 |
| nmz787 | so i thought browser maybe | 15:33 |
| nmz787 | i dont know if python is on the machines they have | 15:33 |
| @kanzure | you would have to write a small server to proxy information from the serial port to the browser for javascript to get access to, possibly using websockets or a basic json format | 15:33 |
| nmz787 | hmmm, so a windows exe | 15:34 |
| nmz787 | with all the libs statically linked (or most) | 15:34 |
| @kanzure | why is it windows? | 15:34 |
| nmz787 | so i wouldn't have to install it | 15:34 |
| nmz787 | that's what they have in the labs | 15:34 |
| nmz787 | because it's normal people | 15:34 |
| @kanzure | python can access a serial port | 15:34 |
| nmz787 | yes i know | 15:34 |
| @kanzure | you can deploy python to windows machines with py2exe or nanite or apt-cyg or something | 15:35 |
| nmz787 | hmm | 15:35 |
| nmz787 | i wonder how many libs can be linked statically | 15:36 |
| nmz787 | i've heard of py2exe i think | 15:36 |
| nmz787 | basically the output exe needs to be 'portable' | 15:36 |
| chris_99 | what's the exe gonna do? | 15:37 |
| @kanzure | serve the serial port over http or websockets | 15:37 |
| nmz787 | well at least interpret the ASCII stream coming from the spectrometer | 15:37 |
| nmz787 | and make a CSV file that is also human readable | 15:37 |
| chris_99 | you could do that in C easy enough | 15:38 |
| @kanzure | he said he wanted it "web" i presume he doesn't want to write a web server in c :p | 15:38 |
| nmz787 | yeah but then i'd have to use visual studio | 15:38 |
| @kanzure | no | 15:38 |
| nmz787 | well i said web because it's already installed | 15:38 |
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| nmz787 | the javascript interpreter | 15:38 |
| @kanzure | you can compile things for windows from linux | 15:38 |
| nmz787 | python would be way easier than C too, esp if i added graphing | 15:39 |
| nmz787 | previously my buddy thought he would make the graphing stuff in javascript | 15:39 |
| nmz787 | using some nice graph lib he found | 15:39 |
| nmz787 | that did zooming and all that jazz | 15:40 |
| @kanzure | sure, three.js or d3.js would be appropriate | 15:40 |
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| chris_99 | can you read com ports directly like a file, via a webbrowser? | 15:42 |
| nmz787 | would that be better than any python lib? | 15:43 |
| nmz787 | can you pop open a webkit pane in python? | 15:43 |
| @kanzure | you can do python/webkit things but i wouldn't recommend it | 15:43 |
| balrog | http://boingboing.net/2013/01/17/government-surplus-dna-sequenc.html | 15:43 |
| nmz787 | hmm | 15:43 |
| nmz787 | so maybe it's a python program that sets up a local server port, then opens chrome/etc (default browser somehow) and navigates to itself | 15:44 |
| nmz787 | As long as it was 1-click to get working, that would be OK | 15:45 |
| @kanzure | why are you running the browser locally? i thought you wanted to do "web stuff" so that you can access it remotely? | 15:46 |
| nmz787 | nah | 15:46 |
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| @kanzure | if you want to do math visualization stuff you could just use matplotlib directly | 15:47 |
| nmz787 | i said i wanted something that didnt need installed | 15:47 |
| nmz787 | yeah winpython has that builtin | 15:47 |
| nmz787 | http://code.google.com/p/winpython/wiki/PackageIndex_27 | 15:48 |
| @kanzure | you're going to need to use something to pipe the com port data to anything | 15:48 |
| @kanzure | you could write a complicated series of bat scripts to use the com prompt thing | 15:49 |
| @kanzure | really you should just throw it out and put in a computer that you can install things on | 15:49 |
| nmz787 | com prompt? | 15:49 |
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| @kanzure | there's this hyperterminal thing in windows that shows you what's being transmitted | 15:50 |
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| nmz787 | that's not default though | 15:51 |
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| @kanzure | so.. who won the gada prize? | 16:48 |
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| eudoxia | oh i totally forgot about that thing | 16:55 |
| @kanzure | i've seen no announcements | 16:58 |
| @kanzure | and nobody from either organization contacted me | 16:59 |
| eudoxia | start bugging them | 16:59 |
| eudoxia | or, not | 16:59 |
| @kanzure | haha that would involve communicating with them | 16:59 |
| @kanzure | yeah i'd rather not | 16:59 |
| eudoxia | it's not like anyone will do anything | 16:59 |
| eudoxia | what a bunch of useless organizations | 17:00 |
| @kanzure | even with hundreds of reprap developpers jumping up and down.. nobody got that act together?? | 17:00 |
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| nmz787 | kanzure when was that assaydepot sponsorship thing? | 18:01 |
| nmz787 | ahh mar and sept they closed | 18:01 |
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| strangewarp | Hmmmm. My mother gave me a Precautionary Principle lecture about nootropics. | 18:15 |
| abetusk | winning the gada prize proper is still a couple years away | 18:26 |
| @kanzure | yes but in the "legal docs" i wrote i said that $20k was to be awarded by 2013-01-01 | 18:27 |
| abetusk | The award was to be handed out to the person closest to meeting the criteria? | 18:29 |
| @kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/gadastuff/ | 18:30 |
| abetusk | so the board needs to come to a decision | 18:31 |
| @kanzure | no, they were not in charge of the decision | 18:31 |
| @kanzure | read the docs | 18:31 |
| abetusk | under the gada prize doc, "End Game Scenario". Isn't that the state it's in now? No one has fulfilled the criteria and now the board need to come to a decision? | 18:34 |
| @kanzure | i believe a few of the entries fulfilled the requirements | 18:35 |
| abetusk | Are they open to the public? Do you have a link? | 18:36 |
| @kanzure | they are somewhere on reprap.org, i can never remember the url | 18:36 |
| abetusk | I don't believe it | 18:39 |
| @kanzure | http://google.com/search?q=site:reprap.org+gada+prize | 18:40 |
| brownies | strangewarp: wtf is the precautionary principle? | 18:40 |
| @kanzure | brownies: a sort of policy that groups of politicians like to use to argue that technology is evil | 18:41 |
| @kanzure | or that any proposed technology will murder babies | 18:42 |
| abetusk | I know how to google | 18:42 |
| @kanzure | maybe it was deleted | 18:43 |
| @kanzure | in that case you can use a backup of their wiki http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/reprap/ | 18:43 |
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| JayDugger | Good evening, everyone. | 19:30 |
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| JayDugger | Anyone here know of MicroFabLab (http://www.microfablab.com) by reputation, contact, or participation? | 19:43 |
| JayDugger | A division of Potomac Photonics, per Google | 19:46 |
| delinquentmee__ | not me JayDugger ... I cant even seem to find a state / location | 19:49 |
| @kanzure | can someone get me google glass? | 19:49 |
| @kanzure | i wasn't mailed a copy | 19:49 |
| delinquentmee__ | 4445 Nicole Drive | 19:50 |
| delinquentmee__ | Lanham, MD 20706 | 19:50 |
| JayDugger | You found it. | 19:50 |
| JayDugger | kanzure, do you look for the patents or did I miss some news while catching up on sleep today? | 19:51 |
| @kanzure | google has emailed some initial programmers about availability | 19:52 |
| JayDugger | Oh. | 19:52 |
| @kanzure | i was not on this list | 19:52 |
| JayDugger | I hadn't heard. | 19:52 |
| delinquentmee__ | you didnt get wan? | 19:54 |
| delinquentmee__ | they're mailing out the first round on the 20th | 19:54 |
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| nmz787 | JayDugger: microfablab.com looks OK, prices are pretty reasonable | 20:50 |
| nmz787 | just barely micro though | 20:51 |
| abetusk | nmz787, hows the laser cutter coming? | 20:51 |
| nmz787 | bah, kinda of dropped it | 20:58 |
| nmz787 | i need to buy laser glasses to start anymore really | 20:58 |
| nmz787 | then I started to think I'm just gonna do lithography | 20:59 |
| nmz787 | i would like to try using CDROM drives if I can focus the laser really well | 20:59 |
| nmz787 | I started playing with some pro optics modelling software | 20:59 |
| nmz787 | trying to model the edmund optics lenses that I was considering for the laser focus | 20:59 |
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| @kanzure | weird seeing ieet picking up ellen's ted talk http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/comments/jorgensen20130117 | 21:17 |
| @kanzure | also another video http://vimeo.com/57536108 (this is the museum one that i groaned and complained about a month ago) | 21:19 |
| yashgaroth | "watch the shadows of scientists play across the walls" wut | 21:21 |
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| nmz787 | kanzure: so it seems to not be an out-of-boc feature for fwplayer to play over ftp | 21:47 |
| nmz787 | i wonder if you think that would be possible, or some better soln | 21:48 |
| @kanzure | you could potentially implement sftp over websockets, but i don't see why you need ftp in the first place? | 21:48 |
| nmz787 | for the s | 21:49 |
| @kanzure | what do you have against installing software, again? | 21:49 |
| nmz787 | i supposed i might be able to make a skin for VLC | 21:50 |
| nmz787 | that would act like a media center for my dad | 21:51 |
| @kanzure | why can't you just wipe windows off his computer | 21:51 |
| nmz787 | that wouldn't exactly make things easier for him | 21:51 |
| nmz787 | he probably wouldn't trust linuz | 21:52 |
| nmz787 | and bitch about it all the time to me | 21:52 |
| nmz787 | how i fucked up his computer | 21:52 |
| @kanzure | maybe you should just get a better dad | 21:52 |
| nmz787 | (i always do that) | 21:52 |
| @kanzure | hmm | 21:52 |
| nmz787 | lol | 21:52 |
| @kanzure | oh weird i just got an email from kevin mitnick | 21:53 |
| nmz787 | nah i was just thinkin it would be nice for that jwplayer file to work over secure protocol | 21:53 |
| @kanzure | http://lists.hackerspaces.org/pipermail/discuss/2013-January/007330.html | 21:53 |
| @kanzure | mitnick in da house | 21:53 |
| @kanzure | " If I were to write something like "this conference will coincide with the week celebrating Nikola Tesla Day, a global event for men in science, technology, engineering, and mathematics" it would sound preposterous" | 21:55 |
| @kanzure | haha | 21:55 |
| @kanzure | oh it's a lie | 21:56 |
| @kanzure | how disappointing | 21:57 |
| nmz787 | so did he actually email you then? | 21:59 |
| @kanzure | no he spoofed some headers methinks | 22:00 |
| @kanzure | i mean, this not kevin person spoofed headers | 22:00 |
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| abetusk | so are you guys still working on getting a microfluidic system running? | 22:40 |
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| nmz787 | yeah | 22:41 |
| nmz787 | i just applied to more school here | 22:41 |
| abetusk | applied as in graduate school or applied as in post doc? | 22:41 |
| nmz787 | to get access to cool toys | 22:41 |
| nmz787 | phd in chem | 22:41 |
| abetusk | what kind of detail are you looking to get for a microfluidic system? | 22:42 |
| nmz787 | well if its my phd project i will explore a bunch of stuff, from DIYable to nanofluidics | 22:43 |
| nmz787 | nanochannels allow gel-free separation of DNA based on size | 22:44 |
| abetusk | hard to do at the DIY level | 22:45 |
| nmz787 | a master could be made pretty cheap and you can just stamp nanofeatures | 22:45 |
| nmz787 | like literally turn it upside down, pour degassed liquid silicone with crosslinker and let cure, peel off | 22:46 |
| nmz787 | repeat | 22:46 |
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| brownies | nmz787: where at? | 22:51 |
| nmz787 | pdx.edu | 22:57 |
| nmz787 | portland Or | 22:57 |
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| @kanzure | i should map a key straight to underscore. it's silly to have to press shift for that. | 22:59 |
| joshcryer | Reverse map underscore maybe? | 23:02 |
| joshcryer | Could take a little bit to get used to. | 23:02 |
| @kanzure | nah, i use minus everywhere in my file system | 23:03 |
| @kanzure | but python loves itself some underscores | 23:03 |
| joshcryer | Same. | 23:03 |
| joshcryer | Ahh, not a Python guy here. (Still haven't learned it, I know I should be ashamed.) | 23:03 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: can you tell me why this regex wont work =re.compile('(^.*)-[^-]*(\..*)' | 23:04 |
| @kanzure | yes you are missing the closing paren | 23:04 |
| nmz787 | to remove the random chars before the file ext 'Van_Morrison_-_Wild_Night_1971-VX2_HahKoe4.flv' | 23:04 |
| @kanzure | just find the last _ | 23:05 |
| nmz787 | nah i just didnt copy it | 23:05 |
| nmz787 | it's not always there | 23:05 |
| @kanzure | thing = thing[:thing.rfind("_")] + ".flv" | 23:05 |
| nmz787 | no dude | 23:05 |
| nmz787 | please man | 23:05 |
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| nmz787 | have you been sleeping much? | 23:05 |
| @kanzure | you really don't like my answers huh | 23:06 |
| nmz787 | you seem to not be reading my statements today | 23:06 |
| @kanzure | well i told you about the missing paren | 23:06 |
| nmz787 | i didnt ask for another solution, i asked why my solution wasnt working | 23:06 |
| nmz787 | and i told you that isnt the reason | 23:06 |
| nmz787 | i didn't copy it because the regex is the problem, not the function call | 23:07 |
| nmz787 | there was a , re.VERBOSE) | 23:07 |
| * kanzure sleeps | 23:21 | |
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