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| eleitl | good morning | 00:40 |
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| @kanzure | eleitl: hi | 00:44 |
| eleitl | I was a bit away the last few days, have I missed anything important? | 00:50 |
| @kanzure | nothing earth shattering.. the logs are quick to read though | 00:50 |
| @kanzure | http://gnusha.org/logs/2013-01-29.log | 00:50 |
| @kanzure | http://gnusha.org/logs/2013-01-28.log | 00:51 |
| @kanzure | http://gnusha.org/logs/2013-01-27.log | 00:51 |
| @kanzure | http://gnusha.org/logs/2013-01-26.log | 00:51 |
| @kanzure | also paperbot works with jove | 00:51 |
| eleitl | great -- so how can I access the videos? | 00:51 |
| @kanzure | do you use chrome or firebug? | 00:52 |
| eleitl | paperbot gives you a download link? | 00:52 |
| @kanzure | sadly no | 00:52 |
| eleitl | I have both Chrome and Waterfox | 00:52 |
| @kanzure | at the moment you have to load the page while enabling the network inspection tab in firebug or webkit inspector | 00:52 |
| eleitl | ok | 00:52 |
| @kanzure | then sort by largest file, get the multi-megabyte file and select its url | 00:52 |
| @kanzure | authentication is done by their flash client | 00:52 |
| @kanzure | their video file is public | 00:52 |
| eleitl | I see | 00:52 |
| @kanzure | http://www.jove.com/video/4285/a-visual-description-dissection-cerebral-surface-vasculature | 00:53 |
| @kanzure | in this case the url is: | 00:53 |
| @kanzure | http://ecsource.jove.com/CDNSource/4285_Bowyer_111112_F_Web.mov | 00:53 |
| eleitl | somebody should download all these, and liberate them | 00:54 |
| @kanzure | s/somebody/bryan :/ | 00:54 |
| eleitl | that ditzy voice is quite annoying | 00:55 |
| @kanzure | they get different voice actors | 00:55 |
| @kanzure | not sure where they are finding voice talent that can pronounce these things, though.. | 00:55 |
| eleitl | great resource though | 00:56 |
| @kanzure | springer protocols is much more extensive | 00:56 |
| eleitl | is that part of springerlink? | 00:57 |
| eleitl | IIRC they only have ebooks and journals there | 00:57 |
| @kanzure | "Copyright © 2008 Springer Science+Business Media, LLC" | 00:57 |
| @kanzure | haha look at the bottom footer http://springerprotocols.com/ | 00:57 |
| @kanzure | "Remote Address: $fto.getIpAddr() , Server: ewrbspd4" | 00:58 |
| @kanzure | 5000 protocols in "cell biology" listed, http://springerprotocols.com/cdp/view/browse?articleType=Protocol&textOption=ALL&abstractOption=ALL&category=Cell%20Biology&categoryCode=CEB&temp=123&sortBy=BEST_MATCH&pageSize=10&bname=Cell%20Biology | 00:58 |
| eleitl | it does link to http://link.springer.com/protocol/10.1007%2F978-1-59745-521-3_23 | 01:00 |
| @kanzure | "© Springer, Part of Springer Science+Business Media" | 01:01 |
| @kanzure | the footer seems to work on link.springer.com, "Not logged in Unaffiliated 66.68.190.37" | 01:02 |
| eleitl | my impression is that the trolls lack manpower with real clue | 01:04 |
| eleitl | they're understaffed in the clue area, at least | 01:04 |
| eleitl | too many bureaucrats to pay off first | 01:04 |
| @kanzure | paperbot: http://link.springer.com/protocol/10.1007%2F978-1-59745-521-3_23 | 01:05 |
| paperbot | error: HTTP 500 http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/a3b189e6214b8c78d2953c26e1699657.txt | 01:05 |
| @kanzure | paperbot: http://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007%2F978-1-59745-521-3_23 | 01:06 |
| paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/8239c7f6ddab7ed290d938b8f92a0e89.txt | 01:06 |
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| @kanzure | well that's infuriating.. | 01:06 |
| * eleitl has ordered 25 l of DMSO yesterday | 01:11 | |
| eleitl | 12 l of ethanediol arrived yesterday, too | 01:12 |
| eleitl | webkit inspector enabled by default, good guy Google | 01:16 |
| @kanzure | the network tab is wonky.. you have to switch to it, then refresh the page to start the network recording. | 01:17 |
| eleitl | thanks for the tip | 01:17 |
| eleitl | that tab trick works fine with jove, just verified | 01:20 |
| @kanzure | happy science day | 01:21 |
| @kanzure | i have been streaming them non-stop (it's better than tv while i am working) | 01:21 |
| eleitl | everything is better than TV :) | 01:22 |
| @kanzure | eleitl: i learned of an individual today who does chemistry and bodybuilding | 01:25 |
| eleitl | sounds like a bad mix | 01:25 |
| @kanzure | http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5137117 | 01:25 |
| eleitl | most bodybuilders tend to screw up their bodies on the long run | 01:25 |
| @kanzure | "A week after Arnold took his first dose of liquid mestanolone, his life began to change. At the gym, he was on fire. ... Arnold focused his efforts on a patent he came across while flipping through chemical abstracts. It came from an East German pharmaceutical company called Jenapharm, which produced most of the steroidal compounds used in the former communist nation’s athletic doping program." | 01:25 |
| @kanzure | i think germany was communist before 1930s, so there was a mandatory steroid program ?? | 01:26 |
| eleitl | Germany was never communist, only GDR past-war | 01:27 |
| @kanzure | oh east german | 01:27 |
| @kanzure | not sure where they are getting "former communist nation's athletic doping program" from.. | 01:27 |
| @kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenapharm | 01:27 |
| eleitl | GDR and the East Block in general apparently were big into steroids | 01:27 |
| eleitl | dunno, it's what they say | 01:28 |
| @kanzure | "In 2005 the company was sued or threatened with lawsuits by hundreds of athletes who were forced to take these drugs.[5] The company settled the lawsuits by contributing to the creation of a $4.1 million fund that compensated former athletes.[6][7]" | 01:28 |
| @kanzure | "forced" to take these drugs? hah. | 01:28 |
| eleitl | the topic is of no particular interest to me | 01:28 |
| @kanzure | ah okay. | 01:28 |
| eleitl | no, I meant I don't know much about it because it's not relevant to my interests(tm) | 01:29 |
| @kanzure | well anyway, as you might know there's approximately only one bodybuilder in the transhumanist community | 01:29 |
| eleitl | I'm of course interested in hacking my body to slow aging and improve performance | 01:29 |
| eleitl | the regime I'm taking is quite good, but needs moar tweaking | 01:29 |
| eleitl | plus, I need more money, too. It's a bit expensive. | 01:30 |
| @kanzure | the point is that someone bothered to put together some simple synthesis reactions to make the things he wanted, rather than just giving up. | 01:30 |
| eleitl | oh yeah, that's quite easy for designer drugs | 01:31 |
| @kanzure | bodybuilding itself isn't particularly interesting (there is no actual need to be "ripped") except that it shows applied effort | 01:31 |
| @kanzure | yes | 01:31 |
| eleitl | you can outsource that kind of thing to china, unless they don't have a lot of clue in steroid analoga | 01:32 |
| eleitl | then, you'd do better doing things on your own | 01:32 |
| eleitl | I think I will start doing chemistry maybe next month | 01:32 |
| eleitl | first project is ice blockers | 01:32 |
| @kanzure | i've been curious why transhumanists on average are against steroids for non-life-threatening-situations | 01:33 |
| @kanzure | doesn't matter that much, it's just another bizarre contradiction | 01:33 |
| * kanzure sleeps | 01:33 | |
| eleitl | they're typically life-shortening on the long run | 01:33 |
| eleitl | good night | 01:33 |
| @kanzure | eleitl: please be careful with the jove knowledge until we have confirmed we have a complete backup | 01:35 |
| * eleitl clams up until done | 01:35 | |
| eleitl | I'll try backing it up myself, assuming there's not too much space required. | 01:35 |
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| @kanzure | 50 MB/video seems to be the average. | 01:36 |
| @kanzure | 2000 * 50 =~ 100 GB | 01:36 |
| eleitl | 100 GByte? A child's play. | 01:36 |
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| * archels randomly buys The Myth of Sisyphus | 01:42 | |
| eleitl | that's ringing a bell, but I don't know which | 01:42 |
| archels | SMBC | 01:42 |
| eleitl | oh, right | 01:43 |
| archels | if Camus had concluded 'the fact that we choose to venture on the journey is a good thing' instead of 'the journey is its own reward', the SMBC guy wouldn't have had his point | 01:45 |
| eleitl | I wonder why we want to frame our beliefs in terms of prior work | 01:48 |
| brownies | eh? what did SMBC have to say about Camus? | 01:49 |
| archels | brownies: cf. today's comic | 01:49 |
| eleitl | apparently, he like camus http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=2815 | 01:50 |
| brownies | hm, maybe i don't know Camus well enough to get that one | 01:51 |
| brownies | there's also this one: http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=2719 | 01:51 |
| eleitl | this eternal quest looking for meaning in the sea if meaninglessness | 01:51 |
| eleitl | brownies: heh | 01:52 |
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| brownies | so immortality will give humans innate purpose and invalidate nihilism? | 01:52 |
| brownies | poor sisyphus. here's another one: http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=1947#comic | 01:53 |
| @kanzure | it will for me, losers | 01:53 |
| eleitl | purpose is a tweakable parameter | 01:54 |
| @kanzure | i don't know what i am watching | 01:54 |
| @kanzure | http://ecsource.jove.com/CDNSource/50217_Wagner_Lung_103012_R_Web.mov | 01:54 |
| eleitl | "I miss my boulder" | 01:55 |
| eleitl | why didn't they let the researcher voice the damn video? | 01:56 |
| eleitl | breathy ditz, again | 01:56 |
| @kanzure | http://ecsource.jove.com/CDNSource/1246_email_test.flv | 01:58 |
| eleitl | that hung my chrome | 01:59 |
| eleitl | VLC multimedia plugin has crashed | 01:59 |
| @kanzure | i am running out of storage | 02:00 |
| @kanzure | i can take 100 GB but not much more | 02:00 |
| @kanzure | hah today's xkcd | 02:04 |
| @kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Star_Trek_into_Darkness | 02:04 |
| eleitl | the essense of Wikipedia | 02:13 |
| @kanzure | how do i tell if a long-running sed is still doing work? | 02:15 |
| @kanzure | ah nevermind. it's still running. it leaves tempfiles all over the place. | 02:16 |
| @kanzure | http://ecsource.jove.com/CDNSource/test_dwnld.txt | 02:20 |
| @kanzure | eleitl: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/jove_urls.txt | 02:22 |
| @kanzure | eleitl: some of these are redundant (multiple file formats, preview versions, etc.) so be careful. | 02:22 |
| @kanzure | let me know how many you get or where you stop. | 02:22 |
| eleitl | The requested URL /~bryan/jove_urls.txt was not found on this server. | 02:23 |
| @kanzure | oops, http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/jove.urls.txt | 02:24 |
| @kanzure | oh neat: http://ecsource.jove.com/CDNSource/4466_Syncardia_Interview_052312_Web.mov | 02:24 |
| brownies | wow. i had to see the Wiki talk page for myself to believe it. | 02:26 |
| eleitl | kanzure, are you using long random delays between downloads | 02:28 |
| @kanzure | i am not downloading | 02:28 |
| eleitl | ok | 02:29 |
| @kanzure | i am sleeping | 02:29 |
| @kanzure | ths is my lucid dreaming interface | 02:29 |
| eleitl | you're talking in your sleep | 02:29 |
| @kanzure | you are currently a gingerbread house | 02:29 |
| eleitl | :) | 02:29 |
| @kanzure | however.. i had to download >5000 xml files to get those urls, and i had no delay and it worked fine. | 02:30 |
| eleitl | it's just if they see load, and look into logs, they'll know something is up | 02:31 |
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| archels | paperbot: http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2012/07/15/mit-scientists-crowdsource-effort-map-connections-brain/v1CEwhwl90GDjKzL6oTC4L/story.html | 09:01 |
| paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/1143f64f89caa66206300faee19e5cff.txt | 09:01 |
| archels | oh, if you had only named that .html that would have been perfect | 09:02 |
| eleitl | I've tried the same thing with C. elegans a while back | 09:02 |
| archels | kanzure: ^ | 09:02 |
| eleitl | before there was this 'gamification' craze | 09:03 |
| archels | we're just building a dataset, so that we can teach our artifical neural networks later how to do it. :) | 09:04 |
| eleitl | that was exactly the plan, use hand-curated data for machine learning calibration | 09:04 |
| eleitl | people don't scale, but the best of them can make kick-ass quality data | 09:05 |
| eleitl | of course, you need to be able to weed out the bozos, too | 09:05 |
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| nmz787 | kanzure: so i downloaded a paper and I need to remove the 'side text' that says where i downloaded it | 10:18 |
| nmz787 | it is selectable text | 10:18 |
| nmz787 | and it's sideways | 10:18 |
| Vicarious | file type? pdf? | 10:23 |
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| nmz787 | Vicarious: yes pdf | 11:05 |
| @kanzure | nmz787: you can delete the text by opening up the pdf and finding the right attribute | 11:05 |
| @kanzure | nmz787: best thing for now is to do it by trial and error | 11:06 |
| Vicarious | or use a pdf editor app | 11:06 |
| @kanzure | no thanks | 11:06 |
| Vicarious | :) | 11:06 |
| @kanzure | archels: i am opposed to using anything other than the text/plain content-type for those files because the majority of the time we need to be looking at the html to figure out where the pdfs are. | 11:07 |
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| @kanzure | that ubiome person is spamming everywhere for indiegogo, i hate her | 11:16 |
| @kanzure | she should die in a fire | 11:16 |
| gnusha_ | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=a15dafb7 Bryan Bishop: add a contact for diybio-estonia | 11:18 |
| gnusha_ | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=df58568b Bryan Bishop: add cchs/diybio-melbourne contacts | 11:18 |
| @kanzure | "Fucking uBiome got almost $200K on IndieGogo. I know the founders and they are not very reliable. Highly unlikely they will deliver or even still be doing this in 18 months." | 11:20 |
| ThomasEgi | old german wisdom "je dümmer der bauer, desto dicker die kartoffeln" . means as much as : the more stupid they are, the more money they have | 11:21 |
| archels | potatoes stand for money? | 11:25 |
| ThomasEgi | well ... in this case probably yes | 11:26 |
| ThomasEgi | it's pretty interpretable and fits to many situations | 11:26 |
| archels | potatoes as a status symbol. crazy Germans | 11:28 |
| ThomasEgi | that wisdom is old. | 11:29 |
| @kanzure | that potato is old. | 11:34 |
| juri_ | 7 minutes to build. 30 seconds to solve problem. wash, rinse, repeat, pull hair out. | 11:42 |
| @kanzure | you should fix the build time. | 11:43 |
| @kanzure | fixing the build time will have tremendous health benefits for your scalp and hair. | 11:43 |
| brownies | might save you some on your water bill too | 11:47 |
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| juri_ | java. | 11:53 |
| juri_ | `nuff said. | 11:53 |
| @kanzure | the railsocalypse continues https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5139583 | 11:54 |
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| eudoxia | well that's what they get for using a dynamically typed language | 12:19 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: is that the only comment that's negative though? | 12:19 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: that uBiome thing looks pretty doable and the price seems about right | 12:20 |
| nmz787 | 16S then getting time for hiSeq runs | 12:20 |
| nmz787 | with all the $$$ they will def have enough $ and samples to make the illumina runs worth it | 12:20 |
| nmz787 | and i think the seqs are short, so computationally cheap to assemble i think | 12:20 |
| nmz787 | though i'm not sure a whole 16S seq could fit in one read or not | 12:21 |
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| nmz787 | i dunno the seq and read length | 12:21 |
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| @kanzure | "Regarding damages, JSTOR’s articles are freely available at 7,000 institutions worldwide, and many documents are public domain. MIT’s $50,000 annual subscription amounts to $136/day, a starting point for calculating damages." | 13:02 |
| @kanzure | where did this $50,000/year number come from? | 13:02 |
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| @kanzure | DaZ: hello. | 13:16 |
| DaZ | ohai. | 13:16 |
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| cpopell | kanzure, you around? | 17:55 |
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| jrayhawk | Any opinions on the Mind Alive devices? | 18:11 |
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| @kanzure | cpopell: no | 18:59 |
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| @kanzure | Juul: how's vancouver treating you | 19:08 |
| Juul | kanzure, good. i got a bad cold though, so my abilities are degraded to "walking around and looking at the pretty things"-level | 19:09 |
| Juul | do you know anything about zink medicine? | 19:10 |
| Juul | everyone is saying i should eat it | 19:10 |
| Juul | they don't have that in denmark, or if they do it's prescription | 19:10 |
| Juul | so: ineffective or dangerous or both? | 19:10 |
| Juul | i've been looking a bit more at nurby things | 19:11 |
| cpopell | kanzure, got any emergency contract work kicking around for one of ours? | 19:11 |
| Juul | since several people at sudo room are doing 3d things | 19:11 |
| @kanzure | Juul: they might mean zinc | 19:12 |
| @kanzure | cpopell: depends. i certainly have a lot of work that i need done that i could pay for. | 19:12 |
| Juul | kanzure, ah, thanks for correcting | 19:12 |
| cpopell | Lemminkainen specifically. http://xhonk.com/ He just got fucked by the person he was contracting to | 19:13 |
| @kanzure | iirc honkala got money from thiel | 19:13 |
| cpopell | All I know is the dude is stuck in vegas with pretty much no money in his account because his boss fucked him. | 19:14 |
| cpopell | can't even get on irc, hence me contacting you | 19:14 |
| @kanzure | no, wrong honkala i guess. | 19:14 |
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| @kanzure | ah i was thinking of alex kiselev | 19:14 |
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| Juul | btw, i looked into Nature Publishing Group's terms (since the BIOFAB's papers are finally getting published) | 19:15 |
| Juul | and while they own the copyright on work done by the Nature editors, everything else remains your own | 19:15 |
| @kanzure | sounds like more of an emergency than i can ahndle | 19:16 |
| cpopell | Shrug, quite possibly. What would be the timeline on finding if he filled your needs on work? | 19:16 |
| @kanzure | weeks-months | 19:17 |
| cpopell | Know anyone for him to talk to? | 19:17 |
| yashgaroth | oh lemminkainen is xhonk? | 19:17 |
| cpopell | yeah, yashgaroth | 19:17 |
| @kanzure | no i don't know anyone in vegas | 19:18 |
| cpopell | fuck | 19:18 |
| Juul | i noticed that NPG advises people to publish their original manuscript 6 months after NPG publishes the nice edited version | 19:18 |
| cpopell | on a side note, yashgaroth, my 23andme results came out | 19:18 |
| yashgaroth | got any weird jewgene results? I had a couple | 19:18 |
| @kanzure | cpopell: you know of a name patrick arnold? | 19:19 |
| cpopell | Not off the top of my head. | 19:19 |
| cpopell | yashgaroth: Paternal haplotype was q1b. | 19:19 |
| cpopell | Which is mostly siberian and americas, but can also be correlated with ashkenazi (rarely) | 19:19 |
| Juul | but their license agreement doesn't mention the 6 month wait so it seems like anyone who publishes to nature can immediately publish the original document elsewhere | 19:20 |
| @kanzure | Juul: i bet they are talking about the authors only, not bystanders/readers | 19:20 |
| Juul | Juul, oh yes. | 19:20 |
| @kanzure | what | 19:21 |
| Juul | oops | 19:21 |
| Juul | Juul, you're a fool! | 19:21 |
| @kanzure | perhaps you are more ill than you thought | 19:21 |
| Juul | perhaps | 19:22 |
| Juul | Juul, no! don't listen to him! | 19:22 |
| Juul | the skype iphone app has the "pickup call" button on top of the "end call" button that appears immediately after picking up a call | 19:23 |
| Juul | that's some nice gui design right there | 19:23 |
| Juul | anyway: NURBS. Someone started work on nurbs for three.js but hasn't continued it: https://github.com/sntx/NURBSForTHREE/tree/master/src | 19:25 |
| @kanzure | is this just rendering, or is it nurbs math? | 19:25 |
| @kanzure | hm definitely rendering | 19:26 |
| @kanzure | neat. | 19:26 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: didnt you look at this before http://www.lifetechnologies.com/us/en/home/technical-resources/software-downloads/abi-prism-310-genetic-analyzer.html | 19:26 |
| @kanzure | maybe not the ABI 310 but definitely the ABI line | 19:27 |
| @kanzure | i think ABI 378 is a synthesizer | 19:27 |
| nmz787 | if we could extract the protocol section, I could add it to python-spectrometers | 19:27 |
| Juul | i'm trying to get Jae Kwon, one of the sudoers, to write a nurbs engine | 19:27 |
| @kanzure | oh, you mean one of the software things. yeah. | 19:27 |
| @kanzure | Juul: i met jae kwon the other day | 19:27 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: i thought there was a group with a busted sequencer, or just without the windows software | 19:27 |
| Juul | kanzure, good! | 19:27 |
| @kanzure | nmz787: the los angeles group | 19:27 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: yea i think you decompiled the package | 19:27 |
| nmz787 | depacked it | 19:27 |
| yashgaroth | hey there's one of those ABI models for sale at ucsd surplus, a steal at $12000 | 19:28 |
| @kanzure | nmz787: yes, it's just a text file with a zip file embedded inside of it | 19:28 |
| nmz787 | yeah python would be able to do sequencing data output easily | 19:28 |
| nmz787 | i am getting some sequencing reagents soon | 19:28 |
| nmz787 | samples! | 19:28 |
| yashgaroth | cough http://surplus.ucsd.edu/Lot.aspx?id=83726 | 19:29 |
| nmz787 | hah | 19:29 |
| Juul | do any of you know of a nice javascript plasmid visualizer? | 19:32 |
| @kanzure | no :/ | 19:33 |
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| Juul | i'm trying to write one, but figuring out an algorithm for placing the labels so that they don't overlap, without taking crazy compute time, is not very simple | 19:35 |
| Juul | labels being "text labels with a line going to the feature on the plasmid they are describing" | 19:36 |
| Lucius_Fox | is there a way to manufacture software in such a way that is like an assembly line? | 19:38 |
| Lucius_Fox | i mean, typically, you just need a pc and a assembler or something like that to produce the software you want. | 19:39 |
| Lucius_Fox | but that's just 1 person. i wonder how a software manufacturing company works. | 19:39 |
| Juul | "i'm a software assembler" you mean you write assembly language? "no, I mean I work on a software assembly line: I put in all of the zeroes" | 19:39 |
| Lucius_Fox | i mean general software | 19:39 |
| Lucius_Fox | whether it be a app for a mobile, or a new O/S... | 19:40 |
| Lucius_Fox | is it invented by a lone genius | 19:40 |
| Lucius_Fox | or is it assembled with lots of people | 19:40 |
| Lucius_Fox | in their division? | 19:40 |
| Lucius_Fox | i guess it really depends on what kind of software but i've always been curious of- | 19:41 |
| Lucius_Fox | epic level softwares- | 19:41 |
| Lucius_Fox | is it like an manufacturing company where they hire hundreds of workers, | 19:41 |
| Lucius_Fox | or do they just outsource it overseas | 19:42 |
| Lucius_Fox | in india or something | 19:42 |
| Lucius_Fox | without a physical building needed. | 19:42 |
| Lucius_Fox | if so, how will the development of the software be guarded from being stolen by the very R&D? | 19:43 |
| @kanzure | perhaps you would benefit from reading the mythical man month | 19:43 |
| Lucius_Fox | is that a book? | 19:43 |
| @kanzure | yes | 19:43 |
| @kanzure | it explores how software is built. | 19:43 |
| yashgaroth | isn't java made for assembly-line programming? as it were | 19:43 |
| Lucius_Fox | ok, i'll look into it. | 19:44 |
| Lucius_Fox | thanks for the reference. i've always been fascinated by the software architecture. | 19:44 |
| @kanzure | some software is outsourced, other is not. when your core competency needs to be technology, you don't outsource that because you wouldn't have a business. | 19:44 |
| @kanzure | if you are talking about how contributions to a project are combined, you should learn about version control systems like git or perforce. | 19:45 |
| Lucius_Fox | i'm interested in epic projects that requires participation of many... | 19:46 |
| @kanzure | do you write any software? | 19:46 |
| Lucius_Fox | what kind of softwares are in works, in this scale, and what they could be used for. | 19:46 |
| Lucius_Fox | no, i don't know anything. i'm just in media production. | 19:47 |
| @kanzure | are you juyun | 19:47 |
| Lucius_Fox | what is that a company? | 19:47 |
| nmz787 | some dudes write stuff by themselves | 19:47 |
| nmz787 | some are huge collaborations, whether paid or not | 19:47 |
| nmz787 | lots build on software of yesteryear | 19:48 |
| nmz787 | whether that was bought or ripped off | 19:48 |
| nmz787 | or it was free to begin | 19:48 |
| Lucius_Fox | i want to make full use of any computing i would gather | 19:49 |
| Lucius_Fox | every field. not just limited to video production. | 19:49 |
| Lucius_Fox | software development seems one. | 19:49 |
| @kanzure | maybe you should learn to write code. | 19:49 |
| Lucius_Fox | that's not for me. | 19:50 |
| nmz787 | Lucius_Fox: check out openFrameworks | 19:50 |
| @kanzure | that attitude is not okay here | 19:50 |
| @kanzure | get out | 19:50 |
| Lucius_Fox | but i think i can learn enough to direct | 19:50 |
| nmz787 | its for artists | 19:50 |
| @kanzure | no, you can't learn enough to direct if you're unwilling to learn at all | 19:50 |
| ArmilusDajjal | well | 19:50 |
| ArmilusDajjal | its for ppl that cant do anything else | 19:51 |
| Lucius_Fox | im willing to learn up to the point of understanding why it works | 19:51 |
| ArmilusDajjal | web design is for artists | 19:51 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: coding isn't for everyone | 19:51 |
| ArmilusDajjal | asteticsh | 19:51 |
| @kanzure | web design is not "just for artists" | 19:51 |
| Lucius_Fox | but the nitty gritty details i'll leave it up to the geniuses. | 19:51 |
| @kanzure | nmz787: you are a liar. anybody can write code. | 19:51 |
| ArmilusDajjal | its for women | 19:51 |
| nmz787 | ArmilusDajjal: hah unless you're writing PHP! | 19:51 |
| Juul | everyone should learn everything, starting with something | 19:51 |
| ArmilusDajjal | the actual design | 19:51 |
| ArmilusDajjal | making things look nice | 19:51 |
| @kanzure | "web design is for artists" what the fuck | 19:51 |
| Lucius_Fox | if you try and become superman of all things, you'll just waste time. | 19:52 |
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| -!- Lucius_Fox was kicked from ##hplusroadmap by kanzure [you too] | 19:52 | |
| Juul | haha | 19:52 |
| @kanzure | wtf x9000 | 19:52 |
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| nmz787 | Lucius_Fox: true | 19:52 |
| Lucius_Fox | what the fuck man | 19:52 |
| nmz787 | Lucius_Fox: but you need to get an idea of what's out ther | 19:52 |
| @kanzure | Lucius_Fox: your approach sucks and i don't think you would fit in here | 19:52 |
| nmz787 | and coding is a big part of the world today | 19:52 |
| Lucius_Fox | life is a learning process, if my approach fails, i'll adapt. | 19:53 |
| nmz787 | or fail | 19:53 |
| @kanzure | a moment ago you were saying something else | 19:53 |
| @kanzure | which is it | 19:53 |
| Lucius_Fox | but don't expect people to get it right the first time, nor could you be the judge to determine if your perspective alone is correct. | 19:53 |
| @kanzure | i am confident that my perspective on you is correct. | 19:53 |
| Lucius_Fox | it depends on people, their situation, and consequences following their choices. | 19:54 |
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| Lucius_Fox | i am trying to get a taste of whats out there before i can engineer anything, or reverse engineer anything for that matter. | 19:55 |
| @kanzure | you should focus on learning things, instead of learning to manage things you know nothing about | 19:55 |
| Lucius_Fox | most people seem to learn shit from school unknowing of what to produce, or why they are learning what they | 19:56 |
| @kanzure | don't bring school into this | 19:56 |
| @kanzure | school only muddles learning | 19:56 |
| Lucius_Fox | it's a line between what you say | 19:56 |
| Lucius_Fox | i'm searching for. | 19:56 |
| Lucius_Fox | something in between... | 19:56 |
| Lucius_Fox | agreed. | 19:56 |
| @kanzure | ah you are juyun | 19:57 |
| @kanzure | yeah, get out | 19:57 |
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| @kanzure | this guy keeps coming back for more. | 19:58 |
| Juul | dang, i'm gonna have to add ban-ability to etherpad | 19:58 |
| Juul | the trolling of sudo room is getting crazy | 19:58 |
| @kanzure | ouch :( | 19:59 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: this is very similar to how you're described here https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!msg/DoctrineZero/Nxzccmtx7Q0/0EfbfaJuRBMJ | 19:59 |
| Juul | slurs, shock sites and genital ascii art all over our meeting minutes while the meeting is happening | 19:59 |
| @kanzure | nmz787: no, this person has a history in this channel spanning 4 years | 19:59 |
| @kanzure | nmz787: please don't jump to conclusions that quickly, dude. | 20:00 |
| @kanzure | nmz787: i have sent you a pm with evidence. | 20:02 |
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| jrayhawk | Juul: I can toss up an infininote server with access control up somewheres if you want. | 20:03 |
| Juul | jrayhawk, Cool. I'll have a look at infininote and see if it could suit our needs. We'll host it ourselves though, but thanks a lot for offering :) | 20:07 |
| cpopell | nmz: I often disagree with Bryan | 20:09 |
| cpopell | but to be fair | 20:09 |
| cpopell | Fuck everything yarowrath is involved in | 20:09 |
| nmz787 | who the hell is yarowrath | 20:10 |
| cpopell | yarowrath/int_00h/vladimir frolov | 20:10 |
| cpopell | I might be mistaken. the rune Kalkin has as a pic reminds me of his stupid monolith group | 20:10 |
| cpopell | russian transhumanist, leninist, white supremacist, possible terrorist(?), and friend of rachel haywire | 20:11 |
| cpopell | he might have gotten kicked out of ZS | 20:13 |
| Juul | sometimes i feel like kanzure is channeling harry potter from harry potter and the methods of rationality | 20:15 |
| strangewarp | Sorry, I've got dibs on being the former kid genius with a sleep disorder who has made shitty mistakes, here :p | 20:16 |
| @kanzure | if you want details on the history of this individual, i can provide them | 20:16 |
| Juul | strangewarp, what?! i thought this was the support group channel for people like that! | 20:17 |
| strangewarp | Juul: In that case, everyone here is like HP:MoR Harry then :p | 20:17 |
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| @kanzure | nmz787: http://ask.diybio.org/questions/are-there-any-special-safety-issues-to-consider-when-planning-to-work/ | 21:06 |
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| @kanzure | naturally their site fails to handle the load of 1 user | 21:09 |
| jrayhawk | paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0300483X05002246 | 21:13 |
| paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Implications%20for%20human%20health%20of%20the%20extensive%20bisphenol%20A%20literature%20showing%20adverse%20effects%20at%20low%20doses%3A%20A%20response%20to%20attempts%20to%20mislead%20the%20public.pdf | 21:13 |
| jrayhawk | oh right, you wanted me to do a thing with a zotoro recompilation hook | 21:16 |
| @kanzure | that would be cool | 21:16 |
| jrayhawk | Hmm. Probably tomorrow. | 21:16 |
| @kanzure | it would be cool if pushing to translators.git would run ~/code/paperbot/run-translation-server.sh to recompile with the new translators and restart the server (but i haven't done the svc stuff) | 21:17 |
| Grognor | paperbot: help | 21:17 |
| @kanzure | also translation-server would have to be pointed to the actual translators (right now it's just a working copy in ~/code/paperbot/translation-server/translators/.git) | 21:17 |
| @kanzure | Grognor: paperbot only fetches papers. there is no help. | 21:17 |
| jrayhawk | Yeah, just give it a URL and hope for the best. | 21:18 |
| Grognor | okay, so it only takes urls | 21:18 |
| Grognor | that's what I wanted to know | 21:18 |
| @kanzure | it also takes treats | 21:18 |
| @kanzure | .botsnack 3 | 21:18 |
| yoleaux | :D | 21:18 |
| Grognor | I was wondering if I could just say "Kahneman 1997" or something | 21:18 |
| @kanzure | not yet. | 21:18 |
| jrayhawk | That's a good idea, though. | 21:18 |
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| @kanzure | Grognor: you're welcome to make the changes yourself | 21:19 |
| @kanzure | https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot | 21:19 |
| Grognor | I can't code things | 21:19 |
| @kanzure | anyone can code | 21:20 |
| Grognor | counterexample: george washington | 21:20 |
| jrayhawk | haha | 21:23 |
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| nmz787 | http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20130122-how-we-became-biohackers-part-1/1 | 21:36 |
| nmz787 | http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20130123-hacking-genes-in-humble-settings | 21:36 |
| nmz787 | http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20130124-biohacking-fear-and-the-fbi | 21:36 |
| nmz787 | 'But back in 2010, there was no thriving virtual community, no convenient how-to guides for the curious.' | 21:40 |
| nmz787 | umm | 21:40 |
| nmz787 | maybe they weren't looking? | 21:40 |
| gnusha_ | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=985b7794 Bryan Bishop: add the third bbc/biohacking article | 21:40 |
| @kanzure | haha | 21:40 |
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| @kanzure | nmz787: it seems like every time tehre's a diybio article, people just redefine whatever history they want | 21:41 |
| @kanzure | *there's | 21:41 |
| @kanzure | meanwhile.. http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/faq/news | 21:41 |
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| gnusha_ | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=5fa6ece1 Bryan Bishop: add oreilly radar article link | 21:43 |
| nmz787 | they PCRed ricin | 21:48 |
| nmz787 | geez, that's a little much to do just for kicks | 21:49 |
| yashgaroth | who did | 21:49 |
| @kanzure | in the bbc articles | 21:50 |
| @kanzure | i think this is sascha's group in.. uh.. germany? | 21:51 |
| nmz787 | ya | 21:51 |
| yashgaroth | argh 12 pages of stuff I know already | 21:51 |
| @kanzure | yashgaroth: painful aint it | 21:51 |
| yashgaroth | fucking bbc "future", 'view all' is the future | 21:52 |
| @kanzure | paperbot is the future | 21:53 |
| nmz787 | ll | 21:53 |
| nmz787 | lol | 21:53 |
| yashgaroth | so they didn't even get a visit from the polizei about it? | 21:53 |
| nmz787 | the first and last articles are alright | 21:54 |
| nmz787 | not much new to us | 21:54 |
| @kanzure | i remember meeting sascha at the fbi event but i wasn't sure why he never posted to the diybio group | 21:55 |
| @kanzure | if it's a language issue, then he should have just written emails in deutschlandtongue | 21:55 |
| yashgaroth | he spoke english good | 21:55 |
| nmz787 | "Similarly, the ricin toxin found naturally in castor beans has been manufactured and used as a bioweapon, but no use of synthetic ricin bacteria or man-made toxin has been heard of it is much easier to isolate the poison from plants or seeds than produce it from genetically engineered organisms. Nature is the better bioterrorist, says Wimmer." | 21:55 |
| nmz787 | heh, you could post a link to the transcripts at the bottom of that article | 21:57 |
| @kanzure | oh yeah, i probably typed a transcript of his talk | 21:57 |
| * kanzure looks | 21:57 | |
| @kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/fbi-diybio-2012/sascha-karberg.txt | 21:57 |
| nmz787 | I guess you can't actually comment there | 21:59 |
| @kanzure | i used to post articles about diybio to the diybio list, but it was sort of ironic and the articles were never that good | 22:02 |
| @kanzure | so i sort of stopped | 22:02 |
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| superkuh | paperbot: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v493/n7434/full/nature11839.html | 22:08 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Responsive%20biomimetic%20networks%20from%20polyisocyanopeptide%20hydrogels.pdf | 22:08 |
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| nmz787 | strange that sacha didn't post it | 22:53 |
| @kanzure | i can't explain it | 23:00 |
| @kanzure | why isn't the bone marrow transplant cures for hiv listed on the wikipedia article? | 23:05 |
| @kanzure | or ccr5-related fixes. wtf. | 23:05 |
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