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| strangewarp | hmm. watching multiple authority figures talk about how much they like TVTropes is filling me with despair | 00:36 |
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| strangewarp | I'm like "its tone is unbearable" and they're like "better than YOUR tone" | 00:36 |
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| kanzure | paperbot: http://www.cell.com/cell-reports/retrieve/pii/S2211124713000752 | 01:43 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Induced%20Pluripotent%20Stem%20Cell-Derived%20Neural%20Cells%20Survive%20and%20Mature%20in%20the%20Nonhuman%20Primate%20Brain.pdf | 01:43 |
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| kanzure | paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0967064513000489 | 01:45 |
| paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/The%20discovery%20of%20a%20natural%20whale%20fall%20in%20the%20Antarctic%20deep%20sea.pdf | 01:45 |
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| archels | http://www.theglobalmail.org/feature/what-happens-when-half-the-world-stops-making-babies/573/ | 02:02 |
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| archels | paperbot: http://iopscience.iop.org/0967-3334/24/2/369/pdf/0967-3334_24_2_369.pdf | 02:31 |
| paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/d02af9bd10b1b23ef7a5d7c530e8eeb6.pdf | 02:32 |
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| klafka | at talk by peter norvig now | 09:05 |
| xmj | klafka: do you know if it's livestreamed somewhere? | 09:05 |
| klafka | i don't think so - they will probably post it after the fact | 09:06 |
| xmj | Damn | 09:06 |
| klafka | it's about 'learning python' | 09:06 |
| xmj | klafka: I read the pydata.org headlines | 09:06 |
| klafka | cool! | 09:06 |
| klafka | it's pretty rad so far | 09:07 |
| klafka | i went to the workshops yesterday | 09:07 |
| xmj | After seeing how PyCon had all the streams at timvideos.us I figured I'd ask if the PyData folks had something similar | 09:07 |
| klafka | last time merakana hostedi t | 09:08 |
| xmj | Ah well, I'll wait till they upload the videos. I definitely want to see Norvig, and the one about Time Series Analysis in Python :) | 09:09 |
| klafka | yes! | 09:09 |
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| kanzure | botnet detection on ad networks http://www.spider.io/blog/2013/03/chameleon-botnet/ | 10:02 |
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| klafka | ooooh | 11:08 |
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| EnLilaSko | paperbot: http://www.frontiersin.org/Neuropsychiatric_Imaging_and_Stimulation/10.3389/fpsyt.2012.00110/abstract | 11:48 |
| paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Neurobiological%20Effects%20of%20Transcranial%20Direct%20Current%20Stimulation%3A%20A%20Review.pdf | 11:48 |
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| silver1 | what the fuck is biohacking ?? You read minds of people ??? like there memories or something or make hardware to control humans by remotes ?? | 11:53 |
| ThomasEgi | silver1, step 1: don't panic. | 11:54 |
| * xmj gives silver1 a towel. | 11:55 | |
| chris_99 | lol | 11:55 |
| ThomasEgi | step3: noone cares about your memories or wants to remote controll you. at least i don't. | 11:55 |
| xmj | I wear a tinfoil hat to actively keep your memories OUT. | 11:56 |
| silver1 | @ThomasEgi thanks for towel. | 11:56 |
| xmj | It's not there to protect me, it's all for YOUR benefit :} | 11:56 |
| ThomasEgi | silver1, the towle was not mine | 11:56 |
| xmj | silver1: you're welcome. | 11:56 |
| silver1 | @ThomasEgi but it was your idea | 11:56 |
| silver1 | xmj thanks buddy | 11:57 |
| lichen | think the confusion here is the word biohacking | 11:57 |
| lichen | because people confuse hacking and cracking | 11:57 |
| kanzure | biohacking isn't any different from regular biology. although there tends to be less insistence on institutionalization or institutional involvement. | 11:57 |
| lichen | cracking is the bad one ;) | 11:57 |
| xmj | speaking of which | 11:57 |
| lichen | hacking is good | 11:57 |
| silver1 | lichen I dont confuse them. Just want to know what is biohacking ?? | 11:57 |
| kanzure | it's just regular biology. | 11:58 |
| xmj | given that you folks are into DIY and Nootropics and stuff | 11:58 |
| xmj | do you folks have experiences with polyphasic sleeping? | 11:58 |
| kanzure | mostly with a focused on techniques, lab protocols, lab equipment, reagents, materials, etc. | 11:58 |
| lichen | garage biology to a degree | 11:58 |
| kanzure | garages aren't necessary. | 11:58 |
| silver1 | you scared the living hell out of me ... just a regular biology like learning to perform operation on oneself ....lol | 11:59 |
| kanzure | i know people who have tried polyphasic sleep, but i don't know anyone who found it useful enough to still be using it. | 11:59 |
| lichen | polyphasic sleep tends to be difficult to work into most schedules | 11:59 |
| lichen | unless youre self-employed or unemployed | 11:59 |
| silver1 | now what is polyphasic sleep ? | 12:00 |
| kanzure | your employment status doesn't greatly impact whether or not polyphasic sleep is useful or not. unemployed individuals have not stuck with it either. | 12:00 |
| lichen | i would think scheduling issues would be the main reason to drop it | 12:01 |
| lichen | as having to nap every few hours can get in the way | 12:01 |
| kanzure | nope. scheduling reasons are secondary if it doesn't work for you. | 12:02 |
| lichen | sure | 12:02 |
| silver1 | I tool biology in first semester. Prof cut toad into 2 halves, I vomited | 12:02 |
| kanzure | silver1: why are you here | 12:02 |
| lichen | might be somebody from 'stop the cyborgs' :p | 12:03 |
| xmj | Does it mean I have to give up my exocortex? :( | 12:03 |
| silver1 | I thought you were making hardware to rule the world by controlling the whole human race :) | 12:03 |
| lichen | wat | 12:04 |
| lichen | think youve been reading too much conspiracy theory garbage | 12:04 |
| kanzure | xmj: just saw your pm, sorry for the delay. | 12:04 |
| kanzure | silver1: how did you get here? | 12:04 |
| silver1 | same way as you did | 12:05 |
| silver1 | What if some conspiracies were true ??? | 12:05 |
| lichen | then who was phone !? | 12:06 |
| lichen | honestly, you cant take every conspiracy theory seriously | 12:06 |
| kanzure | silver1: please leave. | 12:06 |
| lichen | some might have shreds of truth | 12:06 |
| lichen | but this is not the channel for that | 12:06 |
| silver1 | kanzure: okay | 12:07 |
| kanzure | silver1: thank you for being civil about this. | 12:07 |
| silver1 | kanzure: byeeeeeeeee | 12:07 |
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| lichen | be extra careful with your mail for a while kanzure :p | 12:07 |
| silver1 | kanzure: what is command to leave the channel ?? | 12:07 |
| xmj | silver1: try /part | 12:08 |
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| silver1 | xmj: thanks buddy, it worked !!! | 12:09 |
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| xmj | I suggest you try again | 12:09 |
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| @kanzure | let's try that again.. | 12:10 |
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| @kanzure | well that sucks. | 12:10 |
| xmj | +q, wasn't it | 12:10 |
| silver1 | I am looking for some material to study about DNA | 12:11 |
| silver1 | keeping jokes apart, any nice books, tutorials or something else will do | 12:11 |
| @kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/faq | 12:12 |
| @kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/faq/books | 12:12 |
| silver1 | kanzure: thanks, sorry for bad jokes earlier. | 12:14 |
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| salamandyr | what are human augmenting technologies you wish were more readily available? | 12:27 |
| ThomasEgi | salamandyr, the mute button. | 12:29 |
| salamandyr | heh | 12:29 |
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| nmz787 | kanzure: i think joe kaufman's email is down | 12:41 |
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| chris_99 | is anyone here into rocketry out of curiousity specifically hybrids | 12:46 |
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| chris_99 | or know anything pertaining to HTPB | 12:53 |
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| eudoxia | so the pirate bay has expanded into torrents of physical objects | 13:14 |
| eudoxia | 'physibles' | 13:14 |
| eudoxia | http://thepiratebay.se/blog/203 | 13:15 |
| @kanzure | is it a usable format, or just stl? | 13:15 |
| salamandyr | http://venturebeat.com/2012/01/24/pirate-bay-physibles-category-3d-printers/ | 13:15 |
| eudoxia | just content-agnostic torrents | 13:15 |
| @kanzure | that's sort of useless | 13:16 |
| @kanzure | you could already put torrents up | 13:16 |
| eudoxia | >January 24, 2012 | 13:16 |
| eudoxia | what the fug | 13:16 |
| nmz787 | ya old news | 13:16 |
| @kanzure | this is bullshit | 13:16 |
| @kanzure | you guys are liars | 13:16 |
| eudoxia | i need some kind of extension | 13:16 |
| eudoxia | that highlights anything vaguely formatted like an address | 13:17 |
| eudoxia | if it's over one year old | 13:17 |
| eudoxia | address, i meant date | 13:17 |
| @kanzure | i still don't see the point | 13:17 |
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| @kanzure | it's just a category on their site? big deal. | 13:17 |
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| @kanzure | http://blog.freenode.net/2013/03/bye-bye-pdpc/ | 13:43 |
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| @kanzure | ah nevermind. | 13:53 |
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| nmz787 | kanzure: if i want to exit a python function early do i use break (like in an if statement) | 14:38 |
| @kanzure | you can return whenever you want | 14:39 |
| @kanzure | if you're in a for or while loop and want to skip past itself, you can use break. | 14:39 |
| @kanzure | if you want to skip the remainder of the current loop (for just the current cycle) you can use continue. | 14:39 |
| nmz787 | return nothing | 14:40 |
| nmz787 | or return 0 | 14:40 |
| @kanzure | up to you | 14:40 |
| nmz787 | cool | 14:40 |
| salamandyr | is there any ist of existing/startup companies doing stuff in the augmented human / h+ space? | 14:44 |
| @kanzure | depends on what you're willing to count. why do you ask? | 14:44 |
| salamandyr | looking for a job :D | 14:44 |
| @kanzure | what are you skilled in? | 14:46 |
| salamandyr | i'm an EEG oriented cognitive neuroscientist, with tons of experience in neurofeedback (clinical and research) and skills in assessing attention, etc. | 14:46 |
| ParahSailin | always tough as a "wet" labber | 14:47 |
| @kanzure | well, eeg has limited utility too | 14:47 |
| salamandyr | depends | 14:47 |
| ParahSailin | always dependent on a patron | 14:47 |
| @kanzure | i suppose there's always emotiv and whoever is selling to clinics. | 14:47 |
| salamandyr | you can do inverse solution stuff and get real-time sources now | 14:47 |
| salamandyr | as accurate as fMRI for localization | 14:48 |
| salamandyr | and much faster time resolution, of course | 14:48 |
| @kanzure | how many bytes of throughput can someone control with eeg these days? | 14:48 |
| salamandyr | ah BCI ? | 14:48 |
| salamandyr | i'm oriented in the opposite direction | 14:48 |
| @kanzure | all the commercial and research devices i've seen can only do something like 2 bits | 14:48 |
| salamandyr | changing the brain | 14:48 |
| salamandyr | not changing the environment | 14:48 |
| klafka | there are people using eegs as device interfaces for drones and stuff | 14:48 |
| klafka | too | 14:48 |
| salamandyr | PocketN has 14 bit | 14:48 |
| salamandyr | in 2 channels | 14:49 |
| salamandyr | iirc | 14:49 |
| @kanzure | eeg is for measuring the brain, not changing the brain. if you wanted change you would use sound, current, or something else. | 14:49 |
| salamandyr | no.. neurofeedback changes the brain | 14:49 |
| @kanzure | to some extent | 14:49 |
| salamandyr | yes | 14:49 |
| @kanzure | anyway, 14 bits of input, or 14 bits of human controlled input | 14:49 |
| salamandyr | again.. i'm not that BCI orietned | 14:49 |
| salamandyr | i think it's a limited field | 14:49 |
| salamandyr | for now | 14:49 |
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| salamandyr | but measuring / monitoring and changing using EEG feedback are all more powerful/active/proimsing | 14:50 |
| @kanzure | neurofeedback isn't going to isolate specific microcircuits, really | 14:50 |
| salamandyr | no it wont | 14:50 |
| @kanzure | except in very special cases | 14:50 |
| klafka | just not familiar really w/ any startups that are doing neurofeedback | 14:50 |
| klafka | except for scams | 14:50 |
| @kanzure | very very special cases. like maybe you have neurons in a petri dish and you are looking at them. maybe. | 14:50 |
| salamandyr | there arent many as far as i can tell | 14:50 |
| @kanzure | there are some that claim to be doing neurofeedback, but they are all pre-revenue. | 14:50 |
| salamandyr | i've been in the neurofeedback field for about 15 years | 14:50 |
| klafka | ah | 14:50 |
| salamandyr | i know the 5 or so companies doing nfb | 14:50 |
| salamandyr | at a decent level | 14:51 |
| salamandyr | but gaming companies are now getting brain focused | 14:51 |
| salamandyr | so i'm guessing there are neurogaming/neurofeedback hybrids about to emergy | 14:51 |
| salamandyr | emerge | 14:51 |
| klafka | aah | 14:51 |
| salamandyr | (and destroy the nfb market) | 14:51 |
| @kanzure | emotiv claims to be game focused, but i developed for their hardware and i can tell you it was shit | 14:51 |
| salamandyr | yeah emoitiv is rather shite | 14:51 |
| klafka | emotiv is apparently crap | 14:51 |
| salamandyr | and mindwave/neurscky is much much worse | 14:51 |
| salamandyr | the best simple EEG is PocketNeurbics | 14:51 |
| @kanzure | maybe you should focus on doing other things | 14:51 |
| salamandyr | 2 chanenl | 14:51 |
| klafka | ah i see | 14:52 |
| @kanzure | like not eeg | 14:52 |
| salamandyr | heh | 14:52 |
| @kanzure | maybe something that is making money, even. | 14:52 |
| salamandyr | i've spent the past few years getting a PhD working on attetnion/EEG :) | 14:52 |
| @kanzure | or something that works. | 14:52 |
| @kanzure | ah i see. | 14:52 |
| salamandyr | yeah. i think it works :) | 14:52 |
| @kanzure | is there a paper i can read? | 14:52 |
| salamandyr | and i'm one of the few global experts in attention/nfb from both clinical and research side | 14:52 |
| salamandyr | http://www.isnr.org/resources/comprehensive-bibliography.cfm | 14:53 |
| salamandyr | plus | 14:53 |
| salamandyr | http://www.sharpbrains.com/blog/2012/10/05/biofeedback-now-a-level-1-best-support-intervention-for-attention-hyperactivity-behaviors/ | 14:53 |
| @kanzure | the first item here is from 2002. is this the most recent? | 14:53 |
| klafka | no | 14:53 |
| salamandyr | no there are cent | 14:53 |
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| salamandyr | Martin Arns' meta data paper is among the recent | 14:53 |
| salamandyr | meta review rather | 14:54 |
| salamandyr | http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19715181 | 14:54 |
| @kanzure | why are these separate pages, why not just put the whole list on one page | 14:54 |
| salamandyr | there are a few since then too - but this is a good wide view | 14:54 |
| @kanzure | paperbot: http://eeg.sagepub.com/content/40/3/180.short | 14:54 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/ac03b9acab835f37708c415c43a8ba51.txt | 14:54 |
| @kanzure | fucking sage | 14:54 |
| @kanzure | paperbot: http://www.sydney-neurofeedback.com.au/downloads/2009%20Arns%20-%20Is%20Neurofeedback%20efficacious%20in%20ADHD.pdf | 14:55 |
| klafka | :( | 14:55 |
| paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/3bdb7aab10c90ff193445bc6e6a420bc.pdf | 14:55 |
| salamandyr | arns has full tex on his site | 14:55 |
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| salamandyr | iirc - varoius papers on brainclinics.nl that he has written | 14:56 |
| salamandyr | decent overview here http://www.brainclinics.com/eeg-biofeedback | 14:57 |
| @kanzure | i only see inattention and hyperactivity here. that doesn't smell like the full definition of adhd to me? | 14:57 |
| salamandyr | that's pretty close :) | 14:57 |
| salamandyr | hyperactivity is 2ndary to the core response inhibition issues | 14:57 |
| @kanzure | but this doesn't explain things like the hyperfocusing subtrait | 14:58 |
| @kanzure | i suppose it doesn't matter; within the context of impulsivity, yes i'm sure neurofeedback and affect that. | 14:59 |
| salamandyr | that is just PFC engagement, often in response to high stimulus | 14:59 |
| salamandyr | e.g why adhd ppl are conflict-oriented and risk-taking orietned - lights up the PFC | 14:59 |
| salamandyr | why adhd kids train their parents to yell at them :) | 14:59 |
| @kanzure | man i hate cognitive psycholog | 15:00 |
| @kanzure | +y | 15:00 |
| salamandyr | why? | 15:00 |
| @kanzure | while there's a lot of evidence of the prefrontal cortex playing a role in adhd and other spectrum disorders, there are also other impacted systems other than just the prefrontal cortex that are involved when people yell at those brains. there's much more neuroanatomy going on than that. | 15:02 |
| salamandyr | sure | 15:02 |
| salamandyr | in fact neurofeedback mostly focuses on sensorimotor strip based training | 15:02 |
| salamandyr | anyway.. seems like you dont like anythig i do :) | 15:03 |
| salamandyr | guess i'll spend time elswhere | 15:03 |
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| @kanzure | because obviously i mean that much to you? | 15:04 |
| @kanzure | wow, what an asshole. just because i don't like cognitive psychology doesn't mean you should ignore everyone else in here. | 15:04 |
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| @kanzure | .. or leave, etc. | 15:05 |
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| ParahSailin | lol kanzure | 15:45 |
| ParahSailin | i dont even see what you said that was so offensive to his field | 15:46 |
| klafka | lol | 15:46 |
| klafka | 'do something that works' | 15:46 |
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| ParahSailin | oh "man i hate cognitive psycholog" | 15:49 |
| kanzure | well it's true. it always seems broken. i was reading the paper, but i guess i didn't tell him that and maybe he was upset. | 15:49 |
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| kanzure | jrayhawk: i am getting a lot of 404s on your .git fetcher. is this bad? | 15:58 |
| kanzure | not all of the requests for git objects are 404ing, however. | 15:58 |
| jrayhawk | They might be using object packs, in which case you're screwed without the manifest. | 15:58 |
| kanzure | where would the manifest be located? | 15:59 |
| kanzure | also, what sort of other signs would there be that they are using object packs? | 15:59 |
| kanzure | git fsck is telling me that a lot of objects are "corrupted" (they seem to be blank). | 16:01 |
| kanzure | oh i see. the 404s are being turned into blank files for whatever reason. that's probably my fault. | 16:01 |
| jrayhawk | man git-update-server-info | 16:01 |
| jrayhawk | the lack of pack manifests is why git-fetch refuses to work in the first place | 16:02 |
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| jrayhawk | (though it should really be willing to do the naive traversal attempt anyway) | 16:03 |
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| kanzure | jrayhawk: huh, so i want the .git/objects/pack/pack-whatever.pack files? | 18:17 |
| jrayhawk | And the idx files. | 18:19 |
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| kanzure | rmcl: welcome back? | 18:54 |
| rmcl | kanzure: hello. thanks! it's been awhile | 18:55 |
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