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| archels | Bryan has maintained good knitting skills as he has worked on his flute case. The stitches have been uniform with moderate to loose tension and errors have been minimal. | 00:15 |
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| archels | er... yeah. | 00:15 |
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| eleitl | kanzure is a waldorf victim? | 01:10 |
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| juri_ | uh oh. | 02:30 |
| nully | .ho hu | 02:30 |
| eleitl | hi hi | 02:39 |
| archels | awesome paper of the day: The morphology and origin of the skeletal muscle bundles associated with the human mustache | 02:46 |
| eleitl | heh | 02:46 |
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| archels | paperbot: http://www.springerlink.com/index/10.1007/s12021-011-9101-6 | 03:25 |
| archels | alright so springerlink isn't down for just me | 03:25 |
| paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/4c901ab6d80145abf87b0854e2c88f13.txt | 03:26 |
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| * archels comes across a diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2 link in the wild | 05:15 | |
| archels | (on the OpenFOAM forums) | 05:22 |
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| eleitl | we need to save the paper stash in case kanzure gets hit by a bus | 05:39 |
| eleitl | OpenFOAM is CFD? | 05:39 |
| archels | yep | 05:43 |
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| kanzure | eleitl: yes i went to waldorf | 08:24 |
| ParahSailin | waldorf school? | 08:31 |
| kanzure | yes | 08:34 |
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| ThomasEgi | and now.. dance your name! | 08:45 |
| kanzure | `This work looks at how the subject relates to the three dimensions of space: left/right, above/below, and forwards/backwards. Bryan has a strong awareness of his human uprightness and his position in space. He can follow oral commands for movement in all directions, such as "Take 3 giant steps forward."` | 08:48 |
| kanzure | what a strange, strange school.. | 08:48 |
| ParahSailin | thats what waldorf school is like? | 08:50 |
| kanzure | ParahSailin: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/waldorf/stuff.txt | 08:50 |
| archels | http://diademchallenge.org/ | 08:53 |
| kanzure | archels: i'm pretty sure 3scan has some software to reconstruct neural topology. | 08:54 |
| kanzure | archels: but i guess it doesn't count because it's not open source. | 08:54 |
| kanzure | ok i sent 3scan some hate mail pestering them to release some software | 08:55 |
| archels | yeah, I'm dissing anything not open source | 08:55 |
| archels | but there is some interesting/useful open source software out there | 08:55 |
| archels | e.g. Reconstruct, Vaa3D | 08:56 |
| kanzure | liiiiinnkkkks | 08:56 |
| kanzure | i demand them | 08:56 |
| archels | http://www.bu.edu/neural/Reconstruct.html | 08:56 |
| archels | http://www.vaa3d.org/ | 08:56 |
| kanzure | excellent | 08:56 |
| archels | http://www.ini.uzh.ch/~acardona/trakem2.html | 08:57 |
| kanzure | why does Reconstruct have a freehand drawing tool | 08:58 |
| kanzure | surely it does not expect me to sit here like a jackass outlining vesicles all day? | 08:58 |
| archels | you can mark/outline fiducials for slice alignment and so | 09:00 |
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| archels | but any amount of manual intervention becomes rather cumbersome when you're dealing with a petabyte of raw image data | 09:06 |
| kanzure | slice190124091952385_real.v1.edits.good.v2.journalproof.png | 09:07 |
| kanzure | oh i forgot .THIS_IS_THE_REAL_ONE.jpeg.jpg.png | 09:07 |
| archels | hahah | 09:09 |
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| kanzure | github has added stl rendering https://github.com/blog/1465-stl-file-viewing | 10:25 |
| eudoxia | http://bitcoinity.org/markets/mtgox/USD | 10:26 |
| eudoxia | look at the cryptocoaster | 10:26 |
| audy | eudoxia it's going crazy | 10:31 |
| audy | eudoxia cryptocoaster :) | 10:31 |
| audy | eudoxia does that spike in volume and price mean that someone just bought a whole bunch of bitcoins? | 10:33 |
| eudoxia | i don't know anything about economics | 10:33 |
| eudoxia | i'm asking a friend | 10:34 |
| eudoxia | yeah, someone just bought 530 bitcoins | 10:35 |
| eudoxia | .wa 530 * $230 | 10:35 |
| yoleaux | 530×$230 (US dollars): $121900 (US dollars); Local currency conversion: £79460 (British pounds) (at current quoted rate); Exchange history for $121900 (US dollars): ; 1-year minimum: £74910 (20 December 2012: 4 months ago); 1-year maximum: £81790 (12 March 2013: 28 days ago) | 10:35 |
| audy | 150 kilodollars | 10:36 |
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| eudoxia | so much computing power | 10:37 |
| klafka | that seems stupid | 10:38 |
| klafka | i can't see how this isn't a bubble | 10:38 |
| eudoxia | it's an NK conspiracy to destroy the western economy | 10:39 |
| eudoxia | satoshi nakamoto was actually a north korean computer scientist | 10:40 |
| ParahSailin | very little computing power actually | 10:41 |
| ParahSailin | which is why its so bubbly | 10:41 |
| ThomasEgi | hihi | 10:41 |
| ThomasEgi | ah. sry wrong window | 10:41 |
| kanzure | yep.. it works. | 10:47 |
| kanzure | https://github.com/josefprusa/Prusa3/blob/master/mini/z-bottom-left.stl | 10:47 |
| ParahSailin | github renders models? | 10:48 |
| eudoxia | now it does | 10:49 |
| kanzure | i wrote them some hate mail: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5519184 | 10:51 |
| kanzure | oops i mean https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5519676 | 10:51 |
| * nully in the background quietly mumbles something about github bring non-free software, so any features it has do not advance the commuinty... | 10:53 | |
| eudoxia | being*? | 10:54 |
| kanzure | nully: that's a pile of bullshit though. there are thousands of stl viewers. | 10:54 |
| kanzure | open source stl viewers. | 10:54 |
| nully | s/bring/being/ | 10:54 |
| nully | kanzure: I do not see how your statement is related to mine. | 10:54 |
| eudoxia | he's talking about github as a whole not the stl viewer | 10:55 |
| kanzure | your statement assumes that stl rendering is an advancement. but it's not! | 10:55 |
| nully | It is, for git repository websites. | 10:55 |
| kanzure | not really, i had that in 2010 | 10:55 |
| nully | How many other repository websites render STL files? | 10:55 |
| kanzure | fuck you | 10:55 |
| kanzure | mine does | 10:55 |
| nully | Real mature. | 10:55 |
| kanzure | grr | 10:55 |
| nully | Is yours freesoftware? (your website that is a git repo) | 10:56 |
| kanzure | yes. | 10:56 |
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| nully | Sweet, what is it called? | 10:56 |
| kanzure | it's in a post commit hook on the server end, instead of in-browser. | 10:56 |
| kanzure | it's just a commit hook script that calls a renderer. | 10:56 |
| kanzure | oops i don't mean commit hook. | 10:56 |
| nully | Ah, hooks are pretty cool. | 10:56 |
| kanzure | post-receive hook. | 10:56 |
| nully | Then there is still the matter of access... And distribution... | 10:57 |
| kanzure | what? | 10:57 |
| nully | THe code doesnt help anyone if it sits on someones servers and never is used excpet by a small select group of people. | 10:58 |
| kanzure | why would i force other people to use it? if they want it, they can git clone it. | 10:58 |
| kanzure | or push their repo. | 10:58 |
| nully | Yes, and im intrested in cloning it, so where would i go? | 10:58 |
| kanzure | should be on http://diyhpl.us/cgit like everything else in here | 10:58 |
| kanzure | hmm or not. curious. | 10:59 |
| nully | I'm sure everything on this channel can be found there. | 10:59 |
| nully | Or not. | 10:59 |
| nully | So go the best laid plans... | 11:00 |
| kanzure | huh? just give me a second to find the repo. geeze. | 11:00 |
| * nully is pretty laid back, thinks kanzure should relax ^.^ | 11:00 | |
| nully | Sorry i'm just a bit sarcastic, its nothin' personal. | 11:00 |
| kanzure | whatever you think i am feeling right now, you're completely wrong and you should feel bad for assuming it | 11:01 |
| brownies | at this point i assume kanzure always feels like knitting | 11:02 |
| nully | I was just thinking it would be a nice feature to see on gitorious... But sadly gitorious doesnt currently support commit hooks of any kind. (you have to cheat, aka remotly do the hooks) | 11:02 |
| kanzure | you should also feel bad for assuming that our git/stl rendering stuff never existed | 11:02 |
| kanzure | 10:55 < nully> It is, for git repository websites. | 11:03 |
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| nully | So is this hplusroadmap? or hminusroadmap? | 11:03 |
| nully | 'cause i feel like this cono is going down the toilet hole in a spiral. | 11:03 |
| nully | *convo even | 11:03 |
| kanzure | it seems that the git repository is marked as private | 11:05 |
| kanzure | but here's the juice: | 11:05 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/gitduino-post-receive.sh.txt | 11:05 |
| nully | `marked priate' i think that goes under `access' as i was saying before. | 11:05 |
| nully | hehe pirate, i need to change keyboards. | 11:05 |
| kanzure | yes, it's true that not all git repositories are accessible | 11:06 |
| kanzure | however, i also previously shared this script in the past | 11:06 |
| kanzure | and i find your accusations highly suspicious and in bad faith | 11:07 |
| kanzure | believe it or not, we actually work on relevant projects in here | 11:08 |
| kanzure | despite the majority of lurkers | 11:08 |
| nully | I never said anything like that. | 11:10 |
| nully | Anyways, none of it matters. | 11:10 |
| nully | http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pretentious Mah word of the day | 11:11 |
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| kanzure | i think what you say does matter :( | 11:11 |
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| kanzure | rndmaccsbrn: hi | 11:15 |
| rndmaccsbrn | hello | 11:15 |
| kanzure | what brings you these ways? | 11:15 |
| rndmaccsbrn | i was a complete chemistry nerd when i was small, later got into computer science. saw a program on tv about bio hacking which ignited my interest even though ive heard about it before. kind of would like to combine some biology with computers. i like fiddling around with embedded systems/microcomputers. maybe control some biological process. so thats my short biography! | 11:19 |
| kanzure | neato. have you done any biology lab work ever? | 11:19 |
| rndmaccsbrn | dont know much at all really about biology except for school stuff when i was 14-16. so not really. | 11:19 |
| rndmaccsbrn | looking for somewhere to start | 11:20 |
| kanzure | okie dokie.. i recommend http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/faq | 11:20 |
| kanzure | also http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/faq/books | 11:20 |
| rndmaccsbrn | ty | 11:20 |
| kanzure | brownies: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5519372 | 11:24 |
| kanzure | "Pay for exposure already exists within the app store. Large companies pay around $10-$20K a day depending on the category on crap ad networks (won't name them) that incentivize the users to download the companies app in order to "get to the next level" or something like that. The downloads are incredibly cheap and you get thousands and thousands of them. The app store ranking is almost entirely based on download velocity, so your ranking ... | 11:24 |
| kanzure | ... goes up. Once you get in the top 12ish the organic downloads start pouring in just from being near the top. The value per user of those organic users is so high that it more than off sets the cost for the crap/incentivized downloads. Almost everyone who can do this, does this." | 11:24 |
| kanzure | "I've heard from one investor in Spain who was recently pitched by an AppGratis competitor that, depending on the client, AppGratis might charge big companies between $12/14K a day to promote their apps." | 11:24 |
| kanzure | "They have even higher rates for free apps with in-app purchases.n. We were told $3 per install or $100k flat rate for 1 day. This was roughly a month and a half ago. ... Yeah I was also quoted a flat fee of $100k, around a couple of weeks ago." | 11:24 |
| ParahSailin | rndmaccsbrn: nothing useful to do in "biohacking" now, but we talk about other cool stuff here | 11:24 |
| brownies | 3 DOLLARS per install? | 11:25 |
| brownies | jesus. | 11:25 |
| kanzure | ParahSailin: i think if he has a good background in microcontrollers then he could be interested in biohacking up some lab equipment stuff. | 11:25 |
| brownies | kanzure: i didn't know the rates had climbed so high, but, yes, the general trend of doing this has been around for some time. | 11:25 |
| kanzure | oh sure. i just found these particular numbers interesting. | 11:25 |
| kanzure | i can't tell if $100k/day is a guaranteed success or if that's just what the scam is. | 11:26 |
| kanzure | "AppGratis is a pay-to-play platform. About $20k per app. If you watch the performance of one such AppGratis recommended app, Recorder Pro. The $20k couldnt even keep them in the top-50 in the biz category for a month. Seems a waste of dev mkting $$$ imo." | 11:27 |
| brownies | kanzure: imo such nonsense is a side effect of how incompetently the app stores have been built | 11:29 |
| kanzure | maybe this is just how much the market can handle at the moment | 11:29 |
| brownies | kanzure: because real "SEO" in the app store is nonexistent, you have to resort to fuckery like this to get your app in front of users at all | 11:29 |
| brownies | kanzure: i.e. this is the toll to get people to look at your app, since the top 10-25 is the only thing most people look at. once you get there, you still need to pull people through the rest of the funnel. | 11:30 |
| kanzure | it's not like users are typing in more than two or three words anyway though.. | 11:30 |
| brownies | right | 11:30 |
| brownies | and there's no feedback loop. there's no sense of which terms are popular, which terms your app should target, etc. | 11:30 |
| ParahSailin | kanzure: good point | 11:30 |
| brownies | and rank-ordering of results is a black box, mostly due to the fact that apple can't even "deploy" an app in less than an hour | 11:30 |
| brownies | s/mostly// | 11:30 |
| brownies | </rant> | 11:31 |
| kanzure | anything else you want to get off your chest | 11:31 |
| brownies | my app's been in the queue for 5 days... damn apple. | 11:31 |
| kanzure | hm i haven't looked to see if amazon's marketplace is just as dumb | 11:32 |
| brownies | anyway, back to the article... the selective enforcement is pretty funny | 11:32 |
| brownies | if you have a free-to-play game to push, there's a dozen companies ready to take your money and drive downloads | 11:32 |
| kanzure | a very large chunk of the data that i am seeing are download ads | 11:32 |
| brownies | kanzure: maybe you could aggregate in front of all the cost-per-download platforms? find out which ones are the most effective for any given niche? | 11:33 |
| kanzure | no end to the madness? i like it. | 11:34 |
| nmz787 | http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-04-08/american-universities-infected-by-foreign-spies-detected-by-fbi | 11:34 |
| brownies | haha | 11:34 |
| rndmaccsbrn | ParahSalin: what did you mean nothing useful to o in "biohacking" now? that there isnt anything really interesting you can do yet? or that you dont have a project right now? | 11:35 |
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| ParahSailin | rndmaccsbrn: there's not much useful to do playing around with "wet" stuff on low budget | 11:37 |
| ParahSailin | rndmaccsbrn: as kanzure alludes to, there is however a lot of cool equipment that could be developed | 11:37 |
| rndmaccsbrn | anything you need ? :) | 11:38 |
| ParahSailin | flow cytometer i can afford, preferably sorting | 11:38 |
| ParahSailin | good thermocycler would be nice, but i can get those cheap already | 11:38 |
| ParahSailin | nanodrop style spectrophotometer would be nice to be able to afford | 11:39 |
| ParahSailin | reverse engineering illumina next generation sequence would be really awesome if you managed to pull it off | 11:40 |
| klafka | like so it could use their reagents? | 11:41 |
| klafka | why not use the pollonator perhaps? | 11:41 |
| ParahSailin | or your own sequencing chemistry and kits | 11:41 |
| ParahSailin | ? | 11:42 |
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| rndmaccsbrn | im checking out what those things are | 11:44 |
| nully | kanzure: thanks for that, and thanks for the git-hook. | 11:45 |
| kanzure | nully: you are welcome. | 11:46 |
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| nmz787 | kanzure: austin is getting google fiber | 11:58 |
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| rndmaccsbrn | ParahSalin: thanks for the suggestions but that seems VERY hard at first glance and this is just a hobby project. | 12:09 |
| nmz787 | rndmaccsbrn: there are lots of easy projects | 12:12 |
| chris_99 | you could make a heating stirplate | 12:13 |
| nmz787 | not much in the way of bringing new results to science, but fun and easy and full of learning | 12:13 |
| nmz787 | and there are plenty of make it a bit harder things to add on | 12:13 |
| nmz787 | you've got to start hands-on to realize how much of a pain in the ass the experiments actually are most of the time | 12:14 |
| kanzure | PhDon't | 12:15 |
| rndmaccsbrn | any pointers to good starter kits? | 12:20 |
| nmz787 | i can't find the comic strip joke now, but it was something like 'i worked for days, stayed late, then left the reaction out on the lab bench before going home for the weekend" | 12:20 |
| kanzure | carolina has some stuff | 12:20 |
| nmz787 | that's a big problem in biotech, human error | 12:21 |
| kanzure | nmz787: what's the punchline? i don't get it. | 12:21 |
| nmz787 | so automation is a good place to focus, if you don't have one | 12:21 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: like, they did all this work, then ruined it by not putting it in the fridge | 12:21 |
| nmz787 | i'm bad at jokes | 12:21 |
| kanzure | ah. | 12:21 |
| kanzure | well, my labs tended to have people leaving shit out all the time anyway. | 12:22 |
| kanzure | so that's why i missed it. | 12:22 |
| nmz787 | i'll contact the prof that had it posted outside her office | 12:24 |
| nmz787 | it's a good reference to have around :P | 12:24 |
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| ParahSailin | rndmaccsbrn: those are just the ambitious ones | 12:31 |
| nmz787 | http://theoatmeal.com/comics/mantis_shrimp | 12:32 |
| superkuh | I agree. I've been fascinated with mantis shrimp for a while. | 12:32 |
| rndmaccsbrn | why is it called amplyfying a sequence when copy is what you do? | 12:32 |
| rndmaccsbrn | (minor nitpick) | 12:33 |
| nmz787 | because when you go to detect it, it's easier | 12:33 |
| nmz787 | you're changing the SNR ratio | 12:34 |
| nmz787 | http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/amplify | 12:34 |
| nmz787 | 2 a : to make larger or greater (as in amount, importance, or intensity) : increase | 12:34 |
| nmz787 | rndmaccsbrn: the problem is we don't have nanoscale finger to simply pick out a single sequence | 12:35 |
| nmz787 | we have to somehow push the odds in our favor, of being able to isolate it using crude techniques | 12:35 |
| nmz787 | 'crude' is relative here | 12:35 |
| rndmaccsbrn | flow cytometer, preferrably sorting, how do you mean sort? | 12:37 |
| rndmaccsbrn | yes i know SNR | 12:37 |
| chris_99 | anyone used a dissolved oxygen meter before? | 12:38 |
| ParahSailin | if you had a stream of red cells and green cells, if partition them into a stream of red cells and green cells, it can be very useful | 12:39 |
| nmz787 | rndmaccsbrn: google FACS | 12:41 |
| nmz787 | anyone here use http://republicwireless.com/ | 12:41 |
| nmz787 | ? | 12:41 |
| nmz787 | $19 / month with unlimited everything | 12:41 |
| nmz787 | no media SMS though | 12:41 |
| nmz787 | only one phone http://republicwireless.com/images/phone/MotorolaDEFYSpecSheet.pdf | 12:41 |
| nmz787 | 1GHz and 512 MB RAM, not horrible | 12:42 |
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| kanzure | cookie security stuff https://github.com/blog/1466-yummy-cookies-across-domains | 13:01 |
| kanzure | it's a nice writeup | 13:01 |
| rndmaccsbrn | I would like to do something with garbage decomposition. | 13:13 |
| nmz787 | rndmaccsbrn: have a yard or patch of dirt? | 13:17 |
| ParahSailin | garbage decomposition? | 13:18 |
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| ParahSailin | paperbot: http://content.onlinejacc.org/article.aspx?articleid=1665659 | 13:30 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/GUT%20FLORA%20METABOLITE%20TRIMETHYLAMINE%20N-OXIDE%20PREDICTS%20INCIDENT%20CARDIOVASCULAR%20RISKS%20IN%20BOTH%20STABLE%20NON-DIABETICS%20AND%20DIABETIC%20SUBJECTS.pdf | 13:30 |
| kanzure | hmm maybe i should run pdf titles through string.capwords() | 13:30 |
| ParahSailin | nevermind, this one | 13:32 |
| ParahSailin | paperbot: http://www.nature.com/nm/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nm.3145.html | 13:32 |
| paperbot | HTTP 401 unauthorized http://www.nature.com/nm/journal/vaop/ncurrent/pdf/nm.3145.pdf | 13:32 |
| nmz787 | i have access from my student account at umass | 13:36 |
| nmz787 | paperbot: http://www.nature.com.ezproxy.lib.umb.edu/nm/journal/vaop/ncurrent/pdf/nm.3145.pdf | 13:36 |
| nmz787 | :P | 13:36 |
| paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/e5d4d3ee61fd39e40d413d31d5265c38.txt | 13:36 |
| nmz787 | ParahSailin: http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/Intestinal%20microbiota%20metabolism%20of%20l-carnitine__a%20nutrient%20in%20red%20meat__promotes%20atherosclerosis.pdf | 13:38 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: is there a bookmarklet you could think up that would have made that easier than using filezilla? | 13:38 |
| ParahSailin | nmz787: thanks | 13:39 |
| nmz787 | jrayhawk: ^ | 13:40 |
| kanzure | nmz787: scp -p yourfile.txt nmz787@diyhpl.us:~/public_html/ | 13:41 |
| nmz787 | that isn't a bookmarklet | 13:41 |
| kanzure | why would you use a bookmarklet for file transfer | 13:41 |
| nmz787 | because i opened the file in my browser | 13:41 |
| kanzure | haha that was your first mistake | 13:42 |
| nmz787 | psh | 13:42 |
| jrayhawk | mouse model, series of correlations that don't play out in more direct models | 13:42 |
| kanzure | what's a more standard human gut model? | 13:42 |
| kanzure | pig? | 13:42 |
| jrayhawk | interesting paper mechanistically, though | 13:42 |
| jrayhawk | humans are fairly unique in that we're the only cooking species | 13:43 |
| ParahSailin | i've never heard of a hotelling T^2 test | 13:43 |
| nmz787 | paperbot: http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs001840200192?LI=true | 13:45 |
| paperbot | error: HTTP 500 http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/A%20robust%20Hotelling%20test.pdf | 13:45 |
| ParahSailin | for any given body of data, there exists a test that can make p<0.05 | 13:45 |
| jrayhawk | http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2398308/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10650325 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1292918 for more direct work | 13:45 |
| nmz787 | so it guessed the center of a multi-lobed distribution? | 13:46 |
| nmz787 | s/lobed/peaked/ | 13:47 |
| jrayhawk | http://www.westonaprice.org/blogs/cmasterjohn/2011/04/13/does-dietary-choline-contribute-to-heart-disease/ is discussing a similar fermentive TMAO model | 13:47 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: include jquery in a bookmarklet and use the upload feature? | 13:49 |
| kanzure | you mean a PUT request? | 13:50 |
| kanzure | put is http not ssh | 13:50 |
| jrayhawk | i am a little surprised that "a nutrient in red meat, promotes atherosclerosis inept self-aggrandizing narrative | 13:51 |
| jrayhawk | made it into nature | 13:51 |
| jrayhawk | like they literally have review editors for the purpose of avoiding that sort of sensationalism | 13:51 |
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| jrayhawk | s/atherosclerosis/\0"/ | 13:52 |
| nmz787 | jrayhawk: maybe the reason was simply that the meat wasn't grassfed | 13:52 |
| jrayhawk | but, they didn't test that | 13:53 |
| jrayhawk | they're not testing food, they're testing an isolate | 13:54 |
| nmz787 | they used 'chow' | 13:55 |
| jrayhawk | but yes, i suppose it is a good idea in general to be suspicious of conclusions drawn from isolates | 13:56 |
| jrayhawk | e.g. casein causes cancer unless, by crazy coincidence, it's coupled with whey, CLA, vitamins, minerals, peptides, etc. | 13:58 |
| jrayhawk | which a scientist and the media can then turn into a "milk causes cancer" narrative | 14:01 |
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| kanzure | "A special 2-evening workshop on bioluminescence with Ricardo Mutuberria from the American Museum of Natural History. Learn about how light-emitting systems evolved in parallel in an astonishing variety of life. Get up close and hands-on with some light-emitting creatures! You will reprogram bacteria with genes that make them glow in the dark, and learn to culture (and take home a sample of) tiny sea creatures called dinoflagellates that ... | 14:13 |
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| kanzure | ... light up when disturbed." | 14:13 |
| kanzure | i blame genspace for the glowfrenzy | 14:13 |
| chris_99 | put them in a conical with a stirbar and you've got a lovely bed side light | 14:14 |
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| kanzure | my HN comment about github/stl is getting a lot of backlash | 14:29 |
| kanzure | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5519184 | 14:29 |
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| jrayhawk | was gitduino stuff waiting on features from me somewhere | 14:33 |
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| kanzure | uhhh no i don't think so. probably not. | 14:33 |
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| nmz787 | i wonder if kansface is some attempt to digitally slap you kanzure | 14:41 |
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| nmz787 | oh | 14:42 |
| nmz787 | https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=kansface | 14:42 |
| nmz787 | i guess not | 14:42 |
| kanzure | the long troll :) | 14:45 |
| nmz787 | heh | 14:48 |
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| rndmaccsbrn | So what kind of biohacking stuff have you done? | 15:40 |
| rndmaccsbrn | And what budget does it take to really get to what you find interesting PArahSalin? | 15:40 |
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| ParahSailin | i've done "biohacking" but as a graduate student with access to very expensive equipment and reagents provided to me | 15:51 |
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| kanzure | ok so now i'm apparently some knight of an order? according to the cloudfab guy -_- | 16:24 |
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| nmz787 | Sir is generally used to address superiors | 18:16 |
| nmz787 | in India since getting rid of the Brits, they've replaced it with sahib, which is basically the hindi translation of sir | 18:16 |
| kanzure | brownies: more on appgratis https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5522294 | 18:18 |
| brownies | kanzure: good point | 18:19 |
| brownies | i'm glad you read HN so i don't have to | 18:19 |
| brownies | kanzure: i wonder what they'll pivot to? i imagine the Android app store is nowhere near as lucrative. i'd wager 10% | 18:20 |
| kanzure | maybe i should send them a hello heh | 18:23 |
| kanzure | if anyone is feeling kind then it would be cool if someone would rewrite http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/esolid/ESOLID/src/kpatch.cc.org.5 for me | 18:23 |
| kanzure | juri_: you mentioned an interest in doing this a few months ago? | 18:24 |
| kanzure | in particular this method, int K_PATCH :: intersect(K_PATCH& p) | 18:26 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: doesn't look too bad, what's the issue and how would it be tested? | 18:26 |
| nmz787 | (i didn't look at that method) | 18:26 |
| nmz787 | yet | 18:26 |
| kanzure | it's bad because you have to read 20 papers to come up with the right tests | 18:26 |
| kanzure | it's also bad because it's a single method with >1000 lines of code, single-letter variables and other bullshit. | 18:27 |
| nmz787 | i mean what about compiling it? | 18:27 |
| kanzure | it compiles fine, i don't want to compile it | 18:27 |
| nmz787 | do you have input and expected data for unit tests? | 18:27 |
| nmz787 | for that func? | 18:27 |
| kanzure | nope | 18:27 |
| nmz787 | or that's why the 20 papers need reading? | 18:27 |
| kanzure | testing that function is dumb anyway | 18:27 |
| kanzure | it would be better to test smaller functions that can be used in combination to make the intersection function | 18:27 |
| kanzure | the papers are here http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/CAD/ | 18:28 |
| kanzure | oops | 18:28 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/cad/ | 18:28 |
| kanzure | the papers need to be read because it's impossible to understand this function without understanding the context, not because the papers have test data (they don't, they're papers). | 18:29 |
| nmz787 | ok | 18:29 |
| nmz787 | then I won't be able to look at this for a few months | 18:29 |
| nmz787 | well, maybe I'll look sooner | 18:29 |
| kanzure | i rewrote it in python a few years ago but it sucked | 18:30 |
| kanzure | so i need someone other than me to try to rewrite it conceptually instead of verbatim | 18:30 |
| kanzure | also by "it sucked" i mean "barely worked, or didn't work" and wasn't maintainable anyway | 18:31 |
| kanzure | also i sort of lied, it doesn't compile on its own and requires my patch: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/esolid/esolid.kanzure.20110920.patch | 18:34 |
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| kanzure | http://alembic.io/ | 18:42 |
| kanzure | "Alembic is an open computer graphics interchange framework. Alembic distills complex, animated scenes into a non-procedural, application-independent set of baked geometric results. This ‘distillation' of scenes into baked geometry is exactly analogous to the distillation of lighting and rendering scenes into rendered image data." | 18:42 |
| kanzure | "Alembic is focused on efficiently storing the computed results of complex procedural geometric constructions. It is very specifically NOT concerned with storing the complex dependency graph of procedural tools used to create the computed results. For example, Alembic will efficiently store the animated vertex positions and animated transforms that result from an arbitrarily complex animation and simulation process which could involve ... | 18:42 |
| kanzure | ... enveloping, corrective shapes, volume-preserving simulations, cloth and flesh simulations, and so on. Alembic will not attempt to store a representation of the network of computations (rigs, basically) which are required to produce the final, animated vertex positions and animated transforms." | 18:43 |
| kanzure | http://www.openvdb.org/ "OpenVDB is an open source C++ library comprising a novel hierarchical data structure and a suite of tools for the efficient storage and manipulation of sparse volumetric data discretized on three-dimensional grids. It is developed and maintained by DreamWorks Animation for use in volumetric applications typically encountered in feature film production." | 18:45 |
| juri_ | hmm. | 18:47 |
| * juri_ looks. | 18:47 | |
| kanzure | "OpenVDB's mesh to level set converter generates closed implicit surfaces from non-manifold geometry with self-intersections and other degeneracies." | 18:47 |
| kanzure | "OpenVDB features fast topology operations like morphological dilation and erosion, which are essential when dealing with dynamic volumes, for example during level set interface tracking." | 18:50 |
| kanzure | "OpenVDB supports scalar- and vector-valued volumes and provides vector calculus and related operations such as gradient, Laplacian, closest-point transform and vector field curl and divergence." | 18:51 |
| kanzure | this does not sound like a library that a sane mortal would write. | 18:51 |
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| kanzure | huh, there are some CSG functions in there. | 18:57 |
| kanzure | oh :( "There actually is a GitHub repository for OpenVDB, but it's not open to the public - yet. We're currently only sharing it with SideFX to facilitate their integration of OpenVDB into their next major release of Houdini. Also, we're working hard to stabilize the API (and algorithms) for our expected v1.0 release in November. Finally we haven't sorted out the logistics of effectively operating two independent source control systems - ... | 18:59 |
| kanzure | ... GitHub and our internal system at DreamWorks. So all in all we've decided to hold off the public GitHub for a month or two till we've resolved all these issues. In other words it's coming!" | 18:59 |
| kanzure | wow their source code is high quality | 19:01 |
| kanzure | and it includes unit tests | 19:01 |
| kanzure | http://www.openvdb.org/documentation/doxygen/codeExamples.html#sCsgTools | 19:06 |
| kanzure | ah level set CSGs. | 19:06 |
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| ParahSail1n | wow, thank you for helpfully giving a link to the journal's front page but not to the paper url itself http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2013/04/09/176696630/genetically-modified-rat-is-promising-model-for-alzheimers | 19:14 |
| ParahSail1n | i totes could not have figured out where the journal of neuroscience is on the information superhighway | 19:14 |
| kanzure | journalists are wacko like that. unfortunately i can't think of any way to get people to change their habits. | 19:16 |
| kanzure | everytime an article is in the news it should have a link to the paper or at least a doi number or some shit | 19:17 |
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| kanzure | i dunno what sort of incentive would be enough to get people to actually do that | 19:17 |
| kanzure | for some reason they all like to have "+1" and "like" buttons on their articles.. why not a fucking pdf button -_- | 19:17 |
| ParahSail1n | i think one plausible explanation is that university pr hits always come out a week before the journal actually has the article up | 19:18 |
| ParahSail1n | and journalists also don't want to be left out by waiting for useful information | 19:18 |
| kanzure | oh and then there's the embargo period | 19:19 |
| kanzure | that's dumb | 19:19 |
| kanzure | what about this evil scheme.. you could have something like deepdyve/readcube or one of the other evil pdf rental companies to provide a widget for journos to embed inside their articles. | 19:20 |
| kanzure | then you could claim you are giving them a revenue share. | 19:20 |
| kanzure | maybe this would be enough incentive to get them to link to pdfs? | 19:20 |
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| juri_ | history shows.. | 19:30 |
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| kanzure | juri_: analysis? | 19:43 |
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| juri_ | sorry, busy-with-other-things. | 19:55 |
| kanzure | k | 19:56 |
| juri_ | nice chunk of code. :) | 19:57 |
| kanzure | nordic code barf | 19:59 |
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| kanzure | hmm i wonder how grabcad works | 20:11 |
| kanzure | http://grabcad.com/library/mechanical-horse/files | 20:11 |
| kanzure | these seem to be catia files | 20:11 |
| kanzure | and then there seems to be a Renderings/ folder | 20:12 |
| kanzure | no licensing information? | 20:12 |
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| kanzure | the urls are a little ridiculous | 20:14 |
| kanzure | http://grabcad.com/questions/can-anyone-help-me-figure-out-how-to-make-a-step-or-a-iges-file-into-a-jpg-image-so-i-can-cut-it-on-a-scroll-saw-the-catch-is-i-nerd-to-be-able-to-convert-it-online-as-i-have-extremely-limited-access-to-any-type-of-computer-due-to-my-circumstances | 20:14 |
| kanzure | the users seem to have a poor grasp of english or text comprehension | 20:14 |
| kanzure | what's going on here o_O | 20:14 |
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| kanzure | neat paranoia: this guy tracks tower ids his cell phone is connected to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5519813 | 20:56 |
| kanzure | maybe it would be better to fingerprint wifi devices associated with feds, and then have software monitor for those mac addresses and alert you to their presence | 20:57 |
| kanzure | could also work in corporate offices for detecting when your boss is about to show up | 20:59 |
| superkuh | Very neat. I thought you'd have to run custom firmware to do that. I recall the osmocom software on motorola c130 phones had it. | 21:00 |
| kanzure | honestly i think tracking ip addresses would be better on mobile because mobile network operators love to redirect your http traffic all over the place | 21:01 |
| kanzure | i went to this security meetup in austin the other week and someone was reverse engineering a qualcomm chipset.. maybe i should go get him to release his work. | 21:03 |
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| kanzure | gah http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/04/verizon-rigmaiden-aircard/all/ | 21:23 |
| kanzure | so the only evidence they have is that they were able to track 3 of those 100+ ip addresses? | 21:34 |
| superkuh | In parallel with software level stuff a few, or constant, rtlsdr radio scans could establish normal radio signal strength and directionality. | 21:36 |
| superkuh | I know the rtlsdr drivers, library, and binaries like rtl_fm work on android phone platforms. | 21:37 |
| superkuh | But it need not necessarily be mobile. | 21:37 |
| superkuh | I've been doing a lot of that as a matter of eliminating interference for hobby radio astronomy stuff. | 21:37 |
| nmz787 | paperbot: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/login.jsp?tp=&arnumber=121791&url=http%3A%2F%2Fieeexplore.ieee.org%2Fxpls%2Fabs_all.jsp%3Farnumber%3D121791 | 21:39 |
| kanzure | oh come on don't give it a login.jsp link | 21:40 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/9f8b68dc4be22767edb312a56f3c0a36.pdf | 21:40 |
| kanzure | oh i guess i fixed that | 21:40 |
| kanzure | carry on, then. | 21:40 |
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| nmz787 | I'm glad there are several library implementations of ICP algo already | 21:42 |
| nmz787 | math is pretty lengthy in this paper | 21:42 |
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| kanzure | "Afanasy is a free and open source tool to control remote computing. You can compute anything quicker using a render farm – remote computers connected by a network. Afanasy is designed for computer graphics (3d rendering and 2d compositing) parallel calculation. It can compute different frames (or even parts of frames) on several computers simultaneously." | 22:52 |
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| kanzure | the vfx industry is crazy http://opensourcevfx.org/category/projects | 22:52 |
| kanzure | i think they might actually care about software quality | 22:52 |
| kanzure | "Afanasy is a free and open source tool to control remote computing. You can compute anything quicker using a render farm – remote computers connected by a network. Afanasy is designed for computer graphics (3d rendering and 2d compositing) parallel calculation. It can compute different frames (or even parts of frames) on several computers simultaneously." | 22:59 |
| kanzure | "Rez is an integrated package configuration, build and deployment system for software. With Rez you can request a set of packages, and it will create a resolved shell that contains all the dependencies you need, while avoiding version clashes. It is used primarily in the VFX industry, but is applicable to any field where it’s necessary to manage many versions of internally-developed projects and their dependencies." | 22:59 |
| kanzure | these guys seem to have found themselves an interesting niche https://github.com/guerilla-di | 23:05 |
| kanzure | old stuff about breaking how amazon generates their product images http://aaugh.com/imageabuse.html | 23:09 |
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