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| @archels | kanzure: the INCF (www.incf.org) is also considering creating an online course on neuroinformatics | 00:57 |
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| @archels | they have a YouTube channel with quite a few videos, but it's not very well indexed | 00:58 |
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| @kanzure | wtf there's an NIH Office of Technology Transfer :( | 02:19 |
| @kanzure | http://www.ott.nih.gov/ | 02:19 |
| @kanzure | ok i wrote some ncbi hatemail https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/diybio/8SAjHBKq97M | 02:41 |
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| chido | kanzure: thanks! | 02:56 |
| @kanzure | hm? | 02:56 |
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| chido | kanzure: for forwarding my pipette request | 02:58 |
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| @archels | "From our perspective it would be very interesting for us partner with you and couple the nematode mechanical simulation to your FPGA-based neral network (not necessarily in real time, ..." | 04:06 |
| @archels | huh. Wasn't a coupled neural/biomechanical simulation the whole point? | 04:06 |
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| eleitl | the openworm/si elegans thread? | 05:16 |
| eleitl | Glad you're following it, too. | 05:16 |
| @archels | aye. I wonder how this makes the OpenWorm guys feel. | 05:16 |
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| @archels | Any idea when Si-worm was first announced? | 05:16 |
| eleitl | I only recall reading about them today. | 05:16 |
| eleitl | http://cordis.europa.eu/fp7/ict/fet-proactive/docs/ie-jan12-ag-02_en.pdf | 05:17 |
| @archels | the EU research project description has the 1st of this month as starting date | 05:17 |
| eleitl | At least one year old. | 05:17 |
| eleitl | The Si elegans project started on April 1st 2013 | 05:18 |
| eleitl | Looks like it's reasonably funded. | 05:18 |
| eleitl | Yay. | 05:18 |
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| eleitl | If they succeed this is going to be a dam-breaker. | 05:31 |
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| @archels | I'm not overly impressed by their 'work packages' | 05:37 |
| @archels | I'm afraid they're going to put the FPGAs before the biophysics | 05:37 |
| @archels | "[the platform] will consist of 302 individual FPGA boards representing the individual neurons ..." | 05:37 |
| @archels | this seems rather ill motivated and causes an enormous amount of overhead | 05:38 |
| eleitl | Yeah. They're going to burn a lot of money. | 05:38 |
| eleitl | No need for a FPGA here. | 05:38 |
| eleitl | Their logic is also faulty, when they assume conventional computers can't do computational neurosci. | 05:39 |
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| eudoxia | "si elegans" haha that's so clever | 08:47 |
| eudoxia | anissimov: 'I tried to provide leadership for Humanity+ to move in that direction, but that woman stopped me.' | 08:53 |
| eudoxia | i take it 'that woman' was natasha | 08:53 |
| eudoxia | he's been so buttpained after turning into a fascist | 08:54 |
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| eudoxia | s/after/ever since | 08:54 |
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| @kanzure | http://scholarlykitchen.sspnet.org/2013/04/08/a-matter-of-perspective-elsevier-acquires-mendeley-or-mendeley-sells-itself-to-elsevier/ | 11:21 |
| @kanzure | "When asked about this, the answer was underwhelming. First, a bit of perspective — Olivier Dumon, the person quoted in the Elsevier press release and who was also on the call, admits he’s new to scientific and scholarly publishing, having been at Elsevier for only 15 months (he was previously at eBay and AT&T Interactive)." | 11:21 |
| @kanzure | "The reaction was unsatisfactory for a few reasons — first, there was talk about trying to better establish what user’s “entitlements” were, but this avoids the question about whether users have the right to openly share copyrighted or licensed content via Mendeley even if they or their institution subscribe (or if there is a CC-BY-NC license associated with the work); second, there was acknowledgement that validating users has not ... | 11:21 |
| @kanzure | ... been a priority for Mendeley, and that it’s something they will have to shore up, as inference has failed due to a predominance of Gmail accounts in their database; and finally, Dumon seemed to believe that Mendeley can ameliorate any concerns because it will “drive traffic to publisher’s Web sites.”" | 11:21 |
| brownies | "scientific publishing probably works exactly like auctioning off beanie babies, right?" | 11:22 |
| @kanzure | "Perhaps this is a sign of Dumon’s novice status in the space, or simply that Elsevier has a lot of thinking to do yet around issues like this, but I see a potential problem — one that ties into the legal risks around this deal and the longevity of Mendeley’s central premise of PDF sharing now that it’s owned by Elsevier." | 11:22 |
| @kanzure | "One thing that may reassure publishers would be for Elsevier and Mendeley to release some actual usage statistics. How many papers have been uploaded? How much are they shared? Is there really discussion going on around them or is the service just being used as a Napster for scholarly papers?" | 11:22 |
| @kanzure | yeah.. so i am still expecting elsevier to start revoking pdfs. | 11:23 |
| brownies | i didn't realize Mendeley had such "PDF sharing" ? | 11:24 |
| brownies | so you can just throw a PDF of a paper on, and it's available to... everyone? | 11:25 |
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| clock | but that would be a catastrophe | 11:28 |
| clock | a science that is... PUBLIC ?!? | 11:28 |
| @kanzure | brownies: i haven't explored it completely but i think that's the case (sorta kinda maybe). | 11:28 |
| @kanzure | in conclusion i know nothing | 11:29 |
| * brownies nods solemnly | 11:29 | |
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| * clock suddenly turns moldy | 11:33 | |
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| @kanzure | mvb: hi | 11:42 |
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| mvb | hi | 12:03 |
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| @kanzure | sparkfun is pumping out 3d models of their parts now | 12:23 |
| @kanzure | https://github.com/sparkfun/3D_Models | 12:23 |
| @kanzure | https://www.sparkfun.com/news/1115 | 12:23 |
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| @kanzure | https://github.com/bfoz/engineering | 12:25 |
| @kanzure | https://github.com/ch-aurich/Eagle2FreeCad | 12:25 |
| @archels | Toshiba is bringing out an ultrabook with high-dpi display | 12:32 |
| @kanzure | unlikely. | 12:33 |
| @archels | it has a touchscreen, too | 12:33 |
| @kanzure | disgusting. | 12:33 |
| @archels | http://gizmodo.com/5994908/toshiba-kirabook-is-an-amazing-screen-enough-to-make-a-computer-great | 12:33 |
| @archels | it isn't going to be cheap, though | 12:34 |
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| @kanzure | ncbi's version of blast doesn't have a public bug tracker http://blastedbio.blogspot.com/2011/08/opening-up-ncbi-blast.html | 12:51 |
| @kanzure | wheeee. | 12:51 |
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| ParahSailin | lol yeah blast is all kinds of messed up | 12:52 |
| ParahSailin | they've got a blast+ that nobody actually uses | 12:53 |
| @kanzure | i know you think it's a non-issue but there are some ok-ish replies to my ncbi email: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=# | 12:54 |
| @kanzure | wow google groups is showing "This message could not be loaded." for one of the emails. what the hell. | 12:57 |
| @kanzure | ok now it works. wtf. | 12:58 |
| @kanzure | "Retrieve sequences only from patents" http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/Class/NAWBIS/Modules/InfoHubs/Exercises/infohubs_qa_patents_only.html | 13:01 |
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| chris_99 | where did transhumanism originate out of interest | 13:23 |
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| @kanzure | photo from tmplab/diybio http://www.flickr.com/photos/mmborch/8651477488/in/photostream/lightbox/ | 13:34 |
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| @kanzure | not sure which launch is streaming http://www.ustream.tv/nasahdtv | 13:39 |
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| @kanzure | cygnus? what. | 13:40 |
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| @kanzure | ah they are launching the antares cygnus mass simulator. | 13:41 |
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| jrayhawk | ha ha an umbilical fell off | 13:49 |
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| @kanzure | python clone of resque https://github.com/binarydud/pyres although it looks like it has less features than celery. | 16:24 |
| brownies | why must you use all these exotic queues | 16:30 |
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| @kanzure | assange did surfraw, hah | 17:21 |
| juri_ | is there someone electrical engineering inclined who wouldn't mind looking over a circuit for me? | 17:25 |
| @kanzure | don't ask to ask, etc. | 17:25 |
| ParahSail1n | paperbot, http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=802148&dl=GUIDE&coll=GUIDE | 17:26 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Functional%20geometry.pdf | 17:26 |
| juri_ | http://nullogic.freeshell.org/src/boards/zaxis-controller.png | 17:26 |
| juri_ | That stepper motor control circuit is supposed to output "00" "01" "11" "10" for the four steps, and accept direction/step/enable pins for control. its basically just a counter, controlling a pair of H-Bridges, which in turn control power to a bidirectional stepper. | 17:27 |
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| juri_ | I'd like it if someone could verify that it counts correctly. | 17:27 |
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| klafka | this is a super fucking cool paper - http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/people/skakade/papers/ml/logged_nips2010.pdf | 17:55 |
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| @kanzure | fenn: i find it troubling to learn that mr. bitcoin thinks highly of marc fawz (our 2008 troll that you might remember) | 19:28 |
| @kanzure | *fawzi | 19:29 |
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| jrayhawk | "The Kerbals would've launched anyway. It would've been *glorious*." | 19:57 |
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| @fenn | of the CLARITY microscopy technique: "There is every indication that it preserves synaptic junctions, so I expect it to slay the EM-based approaches to circuit reconstruction, which were always a bit silly from an economics/throughput perspective." | 21:43 |
| @fenn | EM meaning electron microscope | 21:45 |
| @kanzure | i thought the membranes were the important part about junctions | 21:53 |
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| @kanzure | maybe the membrane-bound proteins are left around in the hydrogel. | 21:54 |
| @fenn | i guess you can connect the dots to figure out where the membranes were | 21:58 |
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| @kanzure | also, what? people were using optical non-electron scanning of synapses for a while now. | 22:07 |
| @kanzure | i still have trouble believing that mr. bitcoin is a marc fawzi fan. | 22:07 |
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| brownies | who is mr. bitcoin? | 22:09 |
| @fenn | why, they're both currencies based on arbitrary non-forgeable resources (energy vs CPU power) | 22:09 |
| @fenn | though fawzi never provided a mechanism to verify that the claimed energy input was correct | 22:10 |
| @kanzure | brownies: satoshi nakamoto | 22:11 |
| @kanzure | fenn: there's a few other things that are bugging me though | 22:11 |
| @kanzure | fenn: for instance, his original announcement was on perry metzger's server. | 22:12 |
| brownies | i figured. i probably should've asked who marc fawzi is. | 22:12 |
| @kanzure | anyone who knows perry metzger would probably the type of person to hate marc fawzi. | 22:12 |
| @kanzure | brownies: just some troll that we had to deal with on the open manufacturing list a few years ago (2008ish) | 22:12 |
| @fenn | fawzi just has no manners, the idea is it's own thing i guess | 22:12 |
| @fenn | i've been reading nick szabo's essays about primitive money system | 22:14 |
| @fenn | like wampum and family heirlooms | 22:14 |
| @fenn | he does a convincing job explaining why it makes sense to waste effort on creating money | 22:15 |
| @fenn | the point is that the currency is made of (truly) scarce resources, such as the time it takes to drill a hole in a piece of clam shell | 22:16 |
| @fenn | in fawzi's scheme, energy is a scarce resource that can take the place of gold or wampum | 22:16 |
| @fenn | (i guess, he never really presented it in a consistent way) | 22:17 |
| @kanzure | i don't remember his scheme heh | 22:24 |
| @kanzure | energy flows.. something.. | 22:25 |
| ParahSail1n | in alpha centauri, energy is the currency | 22:27 |
| @fenn | man what's with people being against nuclear fission? i just dont get it | 22:28 |
| * fenn slogs through 50 pages of "p2p energy economy" and gives up | 22:29 | |
| @kanzure | it's a little surprising to think that anything that came out of that became bitcoin | 22:30 |
| @kanzure | or that satoshi bothered to interact with that community | 22:30 |
| @fenn | where'd you get the idea there was a link? | 22:30 |
| @kanzure | my email archives show satoshi emailing some announcements in february 2009 to p2presearch | 22:31 |
| @kanzure | (one of michel bauwen's honeypots) | 22:31 |
| @fenn | i read most of the "bitgold e-cash paper" thread but i never saw anything about "p2p" stuff | 22:31 |
| @kanzure | and before that there are some from late 2008 to perry metzger's thing. | 22:32 |
| @kanzure | http://p2pfoundation.net/backups/p2p_research-archives/2009-February/001371.html | 22:33 |
| @kanzure | my copies of these raw emails indicate it was sent through a handful of different tor exit nodes. | 22:34 |
| @kanzure | the user-agent is really weird/old, but then again so is using MSVC6 in 2008/2009.. | 22:34 |
| @fenn | this is the start of the thread http://p2pfoundation.net/backups/p2p_research-archives/2009-February/001347.html | 22:34 |
| @fenn | gah | 22:35 |
| @fenn | thread view, since the links are broken http://p2pfoundation.net/backups/p2p_research-archives/2009-February/thread.html | 22:35 |
| @kanzure | maybe i am under-estimating just how well-known perry is | 22:37 |
| @kanzure | i know he has some amount of background in the cypherpunk community | 22:37 |
| @fenn | that mailing list had a lot of big names on it | 22:37 |
| @kanzure | it's weird to have to remind myself that merkle is more famous for public-key cryptography | 22:39 |
| @fenn | huh? | 22:39 |
| @kanzure | isn't he? i thought he was on the cypherpunks list. maybe that was only in spirit. | 22:39 |
| @kanzure | eleitl: maybe you know. | 22:40 |
| @fenn | "His advisor was Martin Hellman." | 22:40 |
| @fenn | i thought he was an organic chemist. weird | 22:40 |
| @fenn | well if he invented public key cryptography that's a pretty good reason to be (internet) famous | 22:42 |
| @fenn | wikipedia doesn't say much about what he did in nanotech | 22:42 |
| @kanzure | years ago i would often get merkle and drexler confused | 22:43 |
| @fenn | Stephen Walch (ELORET/NASA Ames) and Ralph Merkle (Xerox PARC) won the 1998 Feynman prize (theory) for ab initio calculations that determined the interaction potentials between two such tools, the carbene tool (which adds a single C atom) and the dimer tool (which adds a pair of carbon atoms), and the 111 and 100 surfaces of diamond. Using density functional theory methods they were able to | 22:46 |
| @fenn | determine which reaction sequences work and which don't. | 22:46 |
| @fenn | i wonder if i should just paste that on the wikipedia page | 22:47 |
| Swordsman | wasn't there some cryptographic thing named after merkle? | 22:47 |
| Swordsman | I remember noticing that name a lot, when I was going over cryptography | 22:48 |
| Swordsman | like, merkle keys, or something | 22:48 |
| Swordsman | oh. diffie-hellman | 22:49 |
| Swordsman | I feel as though there were something more specific to him though, can't remember what it was | 22:50 |
| @fenn | "Merkle–Damgård construction – A method to build cryptographic hash" | 22:50 |
| @fenn | "Merkle–Hellman knapsack cryptosystem" | 22:51 |
| @fenn | "Merkle's Puzzles | 22:51 |
| @fenn | which basically refers to his implementation of public key crypto | 22:51 |
| Swordsman | it kinda bugs me that the wikipedia articles on things like this are merely stubs, while pop culture oriented things go on for dozens of pages | 22:51 |
| @fenn | "a hash tree or Merkle tree" | 22:52 |
| Swordsman | merkle tree, that's probably what I was thinking of | 22:52 |
| @fenn | the set of people who are qualified to minutely catalog the plot of the latest harry potter movie is larger than people who understand cryptographic algorithms (and their history) | 22:52 |
| @kanzure | i think julian might qualify on both of those fronts | 22:53 |
| @kanzure | i still don't know why he doesn't want to show up in here | 22:53 |
| Swordsman | well, there's also the amount of content a person is willing to contribute | 22:54 |
| @kanzure | the original bitcoin source code (bitcoin-0.1.0.rar) is littered with comments like // Get merkle branch if transaction was found in a block | 22:54 |
| Swordsman | ah, yeah | 22:54 |
| Swordsman | I used to write code for bitcoin stuff, that's why it's so familiar | 22:55 |
| @kanzure | fenn: also while i'm bringing up "people you already know but in weird ways", it turns out that surfraw was written by assange | 22:55 |
| @fenn | yeah i saw that comment, then i went and verified it :P | 22:56 |
| Swordsman | I think I heard about merkle before bitcoin a bit, but I ended up dealing with merkle trees a lot when I was writing bitcoin miners and clients and that sort of thing | 22:56 |
| @kanzure | fenn: was verification successful? | 22:56 |
| @fenn | i always liked the debian package description for surfraw | 22:56 |
| @kanzure | i think the rhetoric about surfraw was the best part | 22:57 |
| @kanzure | the actual tool, not so great. | 22:57 |
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| @fenn | yeah but he hadn't worked on it since forever | 22:57 |
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| @fenn | i always assumed surfraw worked better when it was written and everything had just broken due to bitrot | 22:57 |
| @kanzure | can't confirm or deny. i first tried it in 2007 or 2008 i think. | 22:58 |
| @kanzure | Surfraw - Shell Users' Revolutionary Front Rage Against the World Wide Web | 23:00 |
| @kanzure | "Surfraw provides a fast unix command line interface to a variety of popular WWW search engines and other artifacts of power. It reclaims google, altavista, dejanews, freshmeat, research index, slashdot and many others from the false-prophet, pox-infested heathen lands of html-forms, placing these wonders where they belong, deep in unix heartland, as god loving extensions to the shell." | 23:00 |
| @kanzure | "Surfraw abstracts the browser away from input. Doing so lets it get on with what it's good at. Browsing. Interpretation of linguistic forms is handed back to the shell, which is what it, and human beings are good at. Combined with incremental text browsers, such as links, w3m (or even lynx), and screen(1), or netscape-remote a Surfraw liberateur is capable of research speeds that leave GUI tainted idolaters agape with fear and wonder." | 23:00 |
| @kanzure | dejanews, altavista, freshmeat, research index, all of these things are dead. | 23:00 |
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| @kanzure | oh wait, was research index citeseerx? | 23:01 |
| @fenn | i wonder why he took down his blog: http://web.archive.org/web/20071020051936/http://iq.org/ | 23:02 |
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| Swordsman | doesn't that violate the tos of most search engines anyway? | 23:05 |
| @kanzure | oh no terms of service fuck you | 23:05 |
| Swordsman | well, most as in, google and bing | 23:05 |
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| @fenn | i'm disabled in that i can't click on things | 23:05 |
| Swordsman | google will throttle your searches and then start demanding captchas after just a small number of non browser based requests | 23:05 |
| @fenn | so their TOS violates the americans with disabilities act, or something like that | 23:05 |
| @kanzure | who cares, captchas are cheap http://decaptcha.net/ | 23:05 |
| @kanzure | erm i meant http://deathbycaptcha.com/ | 23:05 |
| Swordsman | eventually it starts tossing captchas at you and will just redirect you to another captcha, whether or not you got it right | 23:05 |
| @kanzure | https://github.com/kanzure/python-deathbycaptcha | 23:05 |
| @fenn | how do they know it's a browser anyway | 23:06 |
| Swordsman | even if you solve the captchas, google will eventually just cut you off, and give you an endless stream of captchas (without bothering to check if you got them right) | 23:06 |
| Swordsman | user agent, subtle quirks | 23:07 |
| @kanzure | they don't really check user agent anymore | 23:07 |
| Swordsman | they can stick in little bits of javascript and see what they get back | 23:07 |
| @kanzure | that's not user agent. | 23:07 |
| Swordsman | yeah, that falls under the category of 'subtle quirks', as I said | 23:07 |
| @fenn | so, why not just pretend to be a browser that doesn't have any quirks | 23:08 |
| @kanzure | lots of people do | 23:08 |
| @kanzure | including non-random mouse movement | 23:08 |
| Swordsman | and they can associate the behavior with ip addresses and temporal data | 23:08 |
| Swordsman | they seem to do a pretty good job of it | 23:08 |
| @fenn | the idea of surfraw is to interactively use the command line, not abuse websites | 23:09 |
| Swordsman | I've kinda pissed off google a couple times, just messing around with it for fun | 23:09 |
| @kanzure | they also throw captchas even if you produce normal activity too | 23:10 |
| Swordsman | I spent a few hours once altering url fragments to produce amusing "did you mean" messages and eventually it shut me out in various ways | 23:10 |
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| @kanzure | don't try to instigate a flamewar about who has been blocked the hardest by google.. you won't win that one son. | 23:11 |
| Swordsman | and then before that, a couple years ago I think, I wrote some scripts that would try to analyze the web for data associated with some query | 23:11 |
| @kanzure | OH MY GOD SCRIPTS | 23:11 |
| Swordsman | google kinda balks at that sorta stuff | 23:11 |
| @kanzure | who cares. we all do it. | 23:12 |
| @fenn | google hates programmers :( | 23:12 |
| Swordsman | who said I'm trying to win a flamewar against anyone? | 23:12 |
| @kanzure | my point is that your examples suck | 23:12 |
| Swordsman | I wasn't aware this was an argument | 23:12 |
| Swordsman | howso? | 23:14 |
| @fenn | kanzure just wants to be the most oppressed and downtrodden hacker on the net | 23:14 |
| Swordsman | well, alright | 23:15 |
| @kanzure | huh? | 23:15 |
| @kanzure | my point is that your examples are really terrible if you are trying to illustrate practical abuse of google | 23:15 |
| @kanzure | speak up when you (1) have a complete archive of all adsense ads in real-time, including mobile ads, (2) have a complete record of all google suggest suggestions for multiple years, (3) cause them to add a rate limit to an endpoint, or (4) or do something a little more interesting than spamming search queries.. | 23:16 |
| * kanzure grumps off | 23:16 | |
| Swordsman | I was just saying that I've noticed that google gets pissy over little things, I'm not saying that the things I've done to cause google to act in such a way are impressive, quite the contrary, which is exactly my point | 23:17 |
| @kanzure | normal use of google triggers captchas. | 23:17 |
| @kanzure | it occurs to me that it might be useful to actually receive cypherpunk email instead of pretending to by reading eugen leitl's content | 23:18 |
| @kanzure | http://www.al-qaeda.net/cpunk/ | 23:18 |
| @fenn | does it still exist? | 23:19 |
| @kanzure | seems to. | 23:19 |
| Swordsman | well, I guess my original reason for mentioning this stuff was that I was wondering how you guys dealt with it | 23:19 |
| @kanzure | paying for captchas, like through deathbycaptcha | 23:20 |
| Swordsman | I didn't expect it to turn into a thing o_O | 23:20 |
| @kanzure | also paying for proxies to distribute request load | 23:20 |
| @kanzure | "Julian Assange along with John Young and some 1400 others were on the Cypherpunks mail list (crypto, politics) from late in 1995 to 2002" | 23:20 |
| Swordsman | I was thinking about just using duckduckgo, at a slow pace | 23:20 |
| @kanzure | that's larger than i thought it was | 23:20 |
| @kanzure | you can also pay for yahoo!boss api or something | 23:20 |
| @kanzure | i think the default limit is 10k queries/day | 23:21 |
| @kanzure | i usually don't manually type more than 300-400 search queries a day though | 23:21 |
| Swordsman | money is kind of a nonexistent thing for me in every way | 23:21 |
| Swordsman | I live without it | 23:21 |
| Swordsman | initially because I had to, but I ended up finding ways to do everything I needed either for cheap or for free | 23:22 |
| @kanzure | whatever. | 23:22 |
| Swordsman | so the concept of spending money doesn't really ever occur to me, I guess | 23:23 |
| @kanzure | it sounds like you haven't found how to do that for searching, which directly contradicts what you just said. bleh. | 23:23 |
| Swordsman | how to do what? not spend money? | 23:23 |
| Swordsman | I have a number of ideas, but it hasn't been a major priority for me yet | 23:24 |
| @fenn | seems like there would be plenty of ways to evade captchas without spending money, for example setting up a website and displaying captchas by proxy | 23:24 |
| Swordsman | there are various ways I could go about it, but I'd rather just avoid having to deal with google, if this is the sort of thing they don't like | 23:24 |
| @kanzure | no, your statement was about how you "ended up finding ways to do everything" -_- | 23:24 |
| Swordsman | asking people is a good way to find answers for your questions | 23:25 |
| Swordsman | bouncing ideas off of people | 23:25 |
| Swordsman | and it's not like I know everything (godel's theorem comes to mind here, but yeah) | 23:26 |
| Swordsman | if you're alive and conscious, you have questions which need answering, at some level | 23:27 |
| @kanzure | eleitl: do you have an archive of cypherpunks somewhere? | 23:27 |
| Swordsman | if you solved every problem and answered every question, and no questions were left to be answered, then you would have to be dead | 23:28 |
| Swordsman | since the uncertainty of the future, and the decisions that we make in an effort to compensate for it, are what our brains exist for. without the "what do I do next?" question, or anything of that sort, we couldn't exist consciously, at least, not in any sort of way that would be similar to our current existence | 23:30 |
| Swordsman | going from that concept | 23:30 |
| @fenn | you need to grow a bigger imagination | 23:31 |
| Swordsman | it's obvious that I don't mean something like 'I found all the answers to all of the problems ever' | 23:31 |
| Swordsman | I mean, 'I've managed to overcome all problems I've faced thusfar' | 23:31 |
| @fenn | just preventing the heat death of the universe would be a good starter problem | 23:32 |
| Swordsman | oh, I've thought about that since I was a kid | 23:32 |
| Swordsman | the beginning and the end of the universe, what can be changed, if anything | 23:33 |
| Swordsman | I could go on for days | 23:33 |
| Swordsman | most people prefer that I don't | 23:33 |
| Swordsman | so I don't | 23:33 |
| Swordsman | also, in terms of bigger imagination, I'm just going with common assumptions here | 23:35 |
| Swordsman | if you'd like to redefine the assumed constraints of reality for some conversation, I'm fine with that | 23:35 |
| @fenn | i just took offense to the idea that "if no questions were left to be answered, you would have to be dead" | 23:37 |
| Swordsman | well, that's something I've thought about quite a bit, from time to time | 23:37 |
| @fenn | we are currently living in an environment very different from what we evolved in; i imagine mental adaptation could go on for a long time | 23:37 |
| Swordsman | how about the question, "what should I do next?" | 23:37 |
| @fenn | pull the lever | 23:38 |
| @fenn | (you know, the one that triggers the electrode in your pleasure center) | 23:38 |
| Swordsman | you're answering the question there, though | 23:39 |
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| Swordsman | imagine if the question didn't exist, in your mind | 23:40 |
| Swordsman | imagine if there were no questions in your mind, at all | 23:40 |
| Swordsman | no uncertainties | 23:40 |
| @fenn | i was trying to come up with an answer that would end further questioning | 23:40 |
| @kanzure | sigh | 23:40 |
| Swordsman | well | 23:40 |
| @kanzure | Swordsman: so why are you here again? | 23:40 |
| Swordsman | I wanna learn from you guys | 23:40 |
| @fenn | in experiments the rats with wires in their pleasure center would just keep pulling the lever, and do nothing else | 23:41 |
| jrayhawk | iq.org had a lot of unwise statements on his relationships with women | 23:41 |
| Swordsman | because I think you're awesome, and all of the stuff I'm working on keeps leading me back to you, one way or another | 23:41 |
| @kanzure | evidence suggests you are not working on things | 23:41 |
| Swordsman | for the last couple years | 23:41 |
| @kanzure | i am skeptical | 23:41 |
| Swordsman | that's fine | 23:41 |
| @kanzure | can you leave now | 23:41 |
| Swordsman | ? | 23:42 |
| Swordsman | ._. | 23:42 |
| Swordsman | I don't show results until they're finished, because I'm used to the people giving me the same sort of treatment you're giving me right now. I am working on things, I'm just not at a point where I feel like I could share them and not be ridiculed. Thanks. | 23:46 |
| @kanzure | oh look actual archives http://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/ | 23:46 |
| Swordsman | by the way, kanzure, you're awesome | 23:46 |
| Swordsman | but yeah. | 23:46 |
| Swordsman | I'll just read your irc logs from now on. | 23:47 |
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| @kanzure | Swordsman: calling me awesome will not make me less skeptical of you | 23:47 |
| @fenn | well, i'm certainly not doing anything | 23:49 |
| @kanzure | i'm obviously having trouble figuring out how hard i should be kicking which people out | 23:49 |
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| @kanzure | ideally we would be attracting individuals working on hplusroadmap-related projects or who are interested in working on hplusroadmap-related projects | 23:53 |
| @kanzure | but instead we get people like venturecommunism making mochajs bitmoneycoin social gifting javascript things, or people who refuse to read biology books. | 23:54 |
| @fenn | those people don't really bother me i guess | 23:55 |
| @fenn | it's the random "lol" reddit garbage that just sort of blathers all over that gets to me | 23:55 |
| @kanzure | i suppose there's no incentive to work on transcranial death lasers or wearable cryptohats, but then why would you be here? | 23:56 |
| @fenn | it's too bad most people with schizophrenia are so boring and predictable | 23:57 |
| @kanzure | oh i've been meaning to ask you for a realistic conspiracy theory about bayh-dole. i figured you might have one. | 23:57 |
| * fenn wants a wearable cryptohat with death lasers | 23:57 | |
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| @fenn | um. what do you mean "theory", it's already a conspiracy | 23:58 |
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| @kanzure | well it's not a very fun conspiracy :( | 23:58 |
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