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| nmz787_ | kanzure: just bought a bluray burner to see if I can mod for exposing photoresist | 01:51 |
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| nmz787_ | http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/05/human-flesh-copyright/ | 01:58 |
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| chris_99 | are you planning on diffusing the laser | 02:01 |
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| nmz787_ | nah | 02:06 |
| nmz787_ | this paper said 2mm from the existing optics | 02:07 |
| nmz787_ | as is it's around .3mm | 02:07 |
| nmz787_ | so i have to figure out how to shim it or something (hopefully shim it) | 02:07 |
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| kanzure | "Sample size of one, granted, but with respect to aerothermal effects of protuberances the Chinese are copying US research to bootstrap their own. A number of journal papers in Acta Mechanica Sinica cite NASA-specific reports in setting up and confirming their wind tunnel research. In 2007 at NASA we ran a protuberance heating test (UHR-1) which was designated as ITAR specifically in reaction to this research. ne interesting test they did was ... | 07:25 |
| kanzure | ... fundamental and well designed w/r/t to scaling parameters, but the rest are specific protuberances on cones and cylinders (I'll leave it as an exercise to the interested student the likely application) ( I have an extensive collection of aerthermal and protuberance papers from NTRS and other US and foreign sources. If a serious project is started to host these 'misfit papers' let me know. )" | 07:25 |
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| kanzure | .title https://plus.google.com/117663015413546257905/posts/hC5jq3vy3xM | 09:38 |
| yoleaux | John Baez - Google+ - Check out Anselm Levskaya's program called polyHédronisme,… | 09:38 |
| kanzure | http://levskaya.github.io/polyhedronisme/ | 09:39 |
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| kanzure | http://www.patinformatics.com/blog/the-linear-law-of-patent-analysis-revisited/ this article makes no sense. it's supposed to be about "patent analytics" but all i hear are the usual mumblings about how enterprise software sucks. | 10:42 |
| kanzure | .title http://www.infotoday.com/searcher/oct02/trippe.htm | 10:42 |
| yoleaux | Patinformatics: Identifying Haystacks from Space | 10:42 |
| kanzure | "Generally, when individuals think about patent information they conjure up an image of a diligent searcher, poring over reams and reams of information, looking for the one reference out of hundreds, maybe thousands, that will satisfy their client." | 10:42 |
| kanzure | "Patent intelligence — The use of patent information to identify the technical capabilities of an organization and the use of that intelligence to develop a strategy for strategic technical planning" | 10:42 |
| kanzure | "Patent mapping — Sometimes described as white space mapping, which uses published patent data to create a graphical or physical representation of the relevant art pertaining to a particular subject area or novel invention" | 10:43 |
| kanzure | "Patent citation analysis — the study of patent citations for potentially determining a patent's value or, perhaps more reliably, the identification of potential licensing partners or leads based on the citation of an organization's patents by another company in the same or a completely different market space" | 10:43 |
| kanzure | looks pretty boring. i remember there was that one javascript demo on top of WIPO patent data but it didn't seem to do anything interesting. | 10:46 |
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| Mokstar | anybody have this one yet? http://www.jneurosci.org/content/28/52/14147.short | 11:22 |
| Mokstar | Increasing Human Brain Excitability by Transcranial High-Frequency Random Noise Stimulation | 11:22 |
| kanzure | https://github.com/kliment/chemobot "Robot for automated chemistry experiments" | 11:22 |
| kanzure | https://github.com/kliment/dozer "An automated printed part mover" | 11:22 |
| Mokstar | hah, n/m: http://www.jneurosci.org/content/28/52/14147.full | 11:22 |
| kanzure | https://github.com/kliment/dye "Open hardware yarn dye device" | 11:22 |
| kanzure | https://github.com/kliment/Splotbot "Liquid pick and place robot" (in openscad) | 11:23 |
| kanzure | fenn: that should be packaged. | 11:23 |
| kanzure | paperbot: http://www.jneurosci.org/content/28/52/14147.full | 11:27 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Increasing%20Human%20Brain%20Excitability%20by%20Transcranial%20High-Frequency%20Random%20Noise%20Stimulation.pdf | 11:27 |
| fenn | there's already enough high frequency random noise in your brain | 11:33 |
| Mokstar | what are you trying to say? | 11:35 |
| Mokstar | that it's a bad thing to add more, or that the technique is actually ineffective despite the results of the experiments? | 11:36 |
| Mokstar | fenn, | 11:37 |
| fenn | uh, it was a joke about kanzure's ADHD-like personality | 11:37 |
| Mokstar | ahh, ok | 11:37 |
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| fenn | interesting paper, if somewhat confusing | 11:50 |
| kanzure | actually, i thought splotbot.git would be more relevant to your interests than that paper. | 11:55 |
| fenn | meh. what is it, a reprap with a syringe? why can't he bother to fill out the README file | 11:56 |
| klafka_ | readme's are for suckers fenn come on read all the source code ! | 11:57 |
| Mokstar | So, is tRNS the same thing as tDCS, but with a wildly varying current level? | 11:58 |
| Mokstar | or the same thing as tACS with a wildly varying frequency | 11:58 |
| fenn | Mokstar: i'm still trying to figure that out.. whether the signal is completely DC or only partially biased | 11:58 |
| Mokstar | Because of the statistical characteristics, the signal has no DC offset, provided that the offset is set to zero. | 11:59 |
| fenn | then it's tACS | 11:59 |
| kanzure | fenn: ok i filed bug reports for splotbot.git, dozer.git, chemobot.git. | 12:00 |
| Mokstar | but varying from 1-640hz | 12:00 |
| fenn | Mokstar: note the plot in figure 1 is centered around 0 uA | 12:00 |
| Mokstar | ahh, ok | 12:01 |
| Mokstar | so, how do I make an arduino do that... | 12:01 |
| fenn | i guess you'd use an audio amp like TL071 or something along those lines | 12:04 |
| fenn | wah i suck at reading analog datasheets | 12:08 |
| fenn | not TL071, that's an op-amp, not an audio amp :P | 12:11 |
| fenn | anyway, to get rid of DC bias you can put a small capacitor in series. to generate random waveform just make a big lookup table with a script and compile it into the code | 12:14 |
| fenn | i was thinking lm386, not tl071 | 12:14 |
| fenn | this is such a low frequency you can use pretty much anything, just make sure that it's a current source | 12:15 |
| kanzure | hah CVE-2013-3335 is another adobe flash vulnerability from 2013-05-16, and says "allow attackers to execute arbitrary code or cause a denial of service (memory corruption) via unspecified vectors, a different vulnerability than CVE-2013-2728, CVE-2013-3324, CVE-2013-3325, CVE-2013-3326, CVE-2013-3327, CVE-2013-3328, CVE-2013-3329, CVE-2013-3330, CVE-2013-3331, CVE-2013-3332, CVE-2013-3333, and CVE-2013-3334." you know, just to be clear that ... | 12:15 |
| kanzure | ... the past few months of vulnerabilities are different vulns. | 12:15 |
| Mokstar | hmm | 12:17 |
| Mokstar | I like arduinos, because they're $5 | 12:17 |
| chris_99 | are they? i thought they where like £20 | 12:18 |
| Mokstar | naa, I got a few Mini Pro's on ebay for ~$5/ea from China | 12:18 |
| fenn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Current_source#Op-amp_current_sources except you will be using the arduino output instead of the zener diode | 12:18 |
| Mokstar | a little wider than a postage stamp | 12:19 |
| chris_99 | aha cool | 12:19 |
| fenn | what chip is a "mini pro"? | 12:19 |
| Mokstar | http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Pro-Mini-atmega328-5V-16M-Replace-ATmega128-Arduino-Compatible-Nano-/130839929399?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e76aae237 | 12:20 |
| Mokstar | sorry, pro mini | 12:20 |
| Mokstar | atmega328 | 12:20 |
| Mokstar | also you can run it on 12v | 12:20 |
| fenn | why not just use the atmega128 in DIP | 12:20 |
| Mokstar | because that's $5 and ready to go | 12:20 |
| fenn | 328* | 12:20 |
| fenn | but.. but.. | 12:21 |
| Mokstar | if I got a bare atmega328 I'd have to put it on a board, add some more electronics, etc | 12:22 |
| chris_99 | ah no usbs | 12:22 |
| Mokstar | yeah, but I just got a usb/ttl adapter for $2 | 12:22 |
| fenn | hm. well i've carefully weighed all the arguments and it has the advantage of having an LED | 12:24 |
| fenn | and that's probably worth a dollar | 12:24 |
| fenn | i can't tell if i'm joking or not | 12:25 |
| Mokstar | and a reset button | 12:25 |
| fenn | yes, because unplugging it is so hard | 12:25 |
| Mokstar | and it's smaller and thinner, and has solder points | 12:25 |
| fenn | it's sort of ironic because the whole reason they used atmega328 in the first place was that it was one of the few that came in DIP | 12:27 |
| fenn | anyway do make sure you test it with an oscilloscope first, and always run from battery when it's attached to your head | 12:29 |
| kanzure | and test it on something else first. maybe there's a good way to test a block of meat. | 12:30 |
| fenn | you can't electrocute yourself with AA batteries | 12:30 |
| ParahSailin | is that a challenge? | 12:31 |
| fenn | but i suspect he's trying to get an AC waveform, which is hard to confirm without a scope | 12:31 |
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| chris_99 | is there any evidence tDCS is beneficial | 12:32 |
| kanzure | finer have never, etc. he's dead now. | 12:32 |
| fenn | mokstar has quit [brain overloaded] | 12:32 |
| fenn | chris_99: yes it's been shown to increase learning rate, and some other stuff i havent paid much attention to | 12:33 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/tdcs/ | 12:34 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/tdcs/Time-dependent%20effect%20of%20transcranial%20direct%20current%20stimulation%20on%20the%20enhancement%20of%20working%20memory.pdf | 12:34 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/tdcs/Consensus%20-%20can%20transcranial%20direct%20current%20stimulation%20and%20transcranial%20magnetic%20stimulation%20enhance%20motor%20learning%20and%20memory%20formation.pdf | 12:34 |
| kanzure | the main advantage of tdcs compared to other brain stimulation techniques is that it's dramatically easier to build. | 12:36 |
| chris_99 | yeah | 12:36 |
| kanzure | so even if it sucks at targeted stimulation, or even if it only has one or two novel ways of stimulating certain brain regions, it's still worth considering. | 12:36 |
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| Kliment | Oh crap | 12:48 |
| kanzure | Kliment: hi there, could you tell us things about chemobot.git and splotbot.git? | 12:48 |
| Kliment | kanzure: Yes, what do you want to know? | 12:48 |
| kanzure | an overview would be nice. what's included in the cad models, is there working firmware somewhere, is there a prototype, what have you done? | 12:49 |
| Kliment | The only thing I can think of that would generate more negative media hype than an open source automatedly replicable gun are open source automatedly replicable drugs. | 12:49 |
| kanzure | we already replicate drugs with bacteria, let's move on to the next catastrophe. | 12:49 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/faq | 12:49 |
| fenn | a small photo or screenshot would be nice too | 12:49 |
| Kliment | Okay. Splotbot was a liquid handling robot that I built for a university in Denmark to replace a grad student and a pipette | 12:49 |
| Kliment | Said grad student posted many videos of its operation, stand by and I'll link one | 12:50 |
| kanzure | what form factor? | 12:50 |
| kanzure | i mean, form factor of the robot, not the grad student. | 12:50 |
| kanzure | there's https://github.com/delinquentme/lh001 | 12:50 |
| kanzure | .title | 12:50 |
| Kliment | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crzPESP-tyA | 12:50 |
| yoleaux | delinquentme/LH001 · GitHub | 12:50 |
| kanzure | .title http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY5IY5CZ1es | 12:50 |
| yoleaux | LH001 - YouTube | 12:50 |
| kanzure | .title http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crzPESP-tyA | 12:50 |
| yoleaux | Splotbot - YouTube | 12:50 |
| Kliment | That form factor | 12:51 |
| kanzure | ok so it is based on reprap. is it based on timschmidt's parametric reprap .scad files? | 12:51 |
| Kliment | No and no | 12:51 |
| Kliment | Electronics and firmware are from reprap | 12:51 |
| kanzure | it says "built with reprap". i guess they mean the parts were printed on reprap things. | 12:51 |
| Kliment | And yes, it was printed | 12:51 |
| Kliment | But if you see it as a reprap, it's a severely gutted one | 12:52 |
| Kliment | Much less precision, no z axis, not level at all | 12:52 |
| kanzure | did you ever see adrian bowyer's automated syringe pump thing? i could never find schematics. | 12:52 |
| Kliment | Didn't need it in this application | 12:52 |
| Kliment | I have a syringe pump design or three | 12:53 |
| Kliment | I'll get to that in a bit | 12:53 |
| kanzure | Kliment: one of the things we do is package up open hardware into standard .git files with some approachable metadata | 12:53 |
| fenn | what sort of application uses only 3 syringes with no disposable tips? | 12:53 |
| Kliment | fenn: There are 6 syringe holders and one gripper on that carriage | 12:53 |
| Kliment | fenn: And all the tips are disposable | 12:53 |
| fenn | okay but typically things are using 96 or more tips per experiment | 12:54 |
| Kliment | fenn: Depends what things | 12:54 |
| Kliment | fenn: This one was for studying fluid droplet behavior | 12:54 |
| kanzure | oh, not biology things | 12:54 |
| Kliment | kanzure: No, chemistry things | 12:54 |
| kanzure | in biology projects, things go wrong all the time unless you replace tips after every use (or something) | 12:55 |
| Kliment | I know | 12:55 |
| Kliment | I've worked with enough biologists and seen many lovely robotic bio labs | 12:55 |
| kanzure | are you aware of http://search.cpan.org/~jcline/Robotics-0.23/lib/Robotics/Tecan.pm | 12:55 |
| Kliment | No. Is that for jointed arms? | 12:56 |
| fenn | it's for a standard biology pipetting robot | 12:56 |
| kanzure | the "tecan" branded robots. | 12:56 |
| fenn | cartesian, sometimes with plate stackers | 12:57 |
| kanzure | they do plate stackers? | 12:57 |
| ParahSailin | yeah the biology robots never replace tips | 12:57 |
| Kliment | I've seen them but never used them | 12:57 |
| ParahSailin | the "tips" are more of flat needles | 12:57 |
| Kliment | So chemobot is a firmware hack to allow multiple servos to coexist with a grbl motion planner | 12:58 |
| Kliment | It's obsolete now I think, Triffid_Hunter has a better solution | 12:59 |
| Kliment | Or am I thinking of the wrong repo, stand by | 12:59 |
| Kliment | I am, never mind | 13:00 |
| fenn | this pictures shows both kinds of tips https://embl.fr/htxlab/images/stories/Tecan.jpg | 13:00 |
| Kliment | chemobot is like splotbot but using standard 20mm tslot | 13:00 |
| Kliment | fenn: Holy fuck that is really dangerously close to the operator | 13:01 |
| Kliment | fenn: And not enclosed at all | 13:01 |
| fenn | the magenta box in the middle is a set of disposable tips | 13:01 |
| Kliment | fenn: I guess it's not being used for anything important | 13:01 |
| Kliment | fenn: If it was, it would be a huge contamination risk | 13:02 |
| Kliment | And yeah, I have seen that machine before | 13:02 |
| fenn | most bio isn't dangerous at all | 13:02 |
| fenn | or did you mean contaminating the experiment | 13:02 |
| kanzure | biggest danger is you contaminating your sample by breathing on it | 13:02 |
| Kliment | fenn: Not to the operator, to the experiment | 13:02 |
| Kliment | kanzure: Exactly | 13:02 |
| kanzure | it's like a game of operation except nobody wins.. | 13:03 |
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| Kliment | Who cares about the operator. :P | 13:03 |
| Kliment | The grad student managed to program the machine to stab him with nitrobenzene | 13:04 |
| fenn | in all the experiments i did, the main issue was cross contamination | 13:04 |
| Kliment | Which, if you are familiar with nitrobenzene, is a very very bad idea | 13:04 |
| Kliment | Still, I'd at least stick a couple sheets of acrylic around the operator seat on that machine | 13:06 |
| fenn | i think the fear of robots/safety culture is a little misguided | 13:07 |
| fenn | yeah a kuka assembly robot is nothing to mess with, but a little desktop pipettor won't kill you | 13:08 |
| kanzure | with ads like these how can you say no to kuka? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgA396HOr4Q&list=PL0EB93E6E02E5CF17&index=60 | 13:09 |
| kanzure | (kidding) | 13:09 |
| fenn | i'm amazed they continue to do the legoland "robocoaster" without incident | 13:11 |
| Kliment | fenn: Had the needle not just been coated with dilute nitrobenzene but actually injected the stuff it would have killed him | 13:12 |
| fenn | who needs a roll cage when you've got software to protect you | 13:12 |
| Kliment | fenn: So not misguided when dealing with highly toxic chemicals | 13:12 |
| kanzure | time for a dose of hard labor, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LCaRqQ8Qf8&list=PL0EB93E6E02E5CF17 | 13:12 |
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| kanzure | oh wow, a lot of videos deleted on that playlist. i guess people don't want automation ideas to escape or something. | 13:16 |
| nmz787 | this is like some cut-scene of the village people dancing in a factory | 13:17 |
| nmz787 | except more nerdy | 13:17 |
| kanzure | whole playlist is nerdtastic. | 13:17 |
| nmz787 | vry appropriate | 13:17 |
| kanzure | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEV6GnVWdYI&list=PL0EB93E6E02E5CF17#t=50s | 13:18 |
| nmz787 | D-I-Y you know I'm talking about D-I-Y | 13:18 |
| nmz787 | D_I_Y D_I_Y D I Y! | 13:18 |
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| kanzure | 'haas factory tour' this one looks new.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScnzJJRFsGI | 13:24 |
| fenn | "The first set (of crash test dummies) were given a ride on the ROBO Coaster with Speed and accel set to max. When the the ride finished the G forces had ripped off all the limbs from the torso. They have slowed it down. I still want to ride it though." | 13:25 |
| kanzure | haas has 1 million sq ft? | 13:26 |
| kanzure | why can't i have a machine shop that big? | 13:26 |
| kanzure | oh good they dogfood their own machines. | 13:28 |
| kanzure | "5 cells, 1652 tools, 16 palettes"... i want? | 13:29 |
| kanzure | huh so they just store the haas cnc center palettes outside before shipping them. i wonder if you can just drive up and load one up on a truck at night. | 13:33 |
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| ParahSai1in | this is a dump of something, though im not sure what ftp://s208.math.msu.su/ | 18:35 |
| ParahSai1in | ah well crap its all in cyrillic | 18:36 |
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| Kliment | ParahSai1in: I can read cyrillic | 23:50 |
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