2013-06-05.log

--- Log opened Wed Jun 05 00:00:16 2013
--- Day changed Wed Jun 05 2013
nmz787i wonder what shit they don't let through00:00
kanzurediybio is definitely moderated. the only way to use google groups is to enable moderation. otherwise you end up with a lot of spam.00:00
kanzureso you have to manually review first-time posters.00:00
nmz787how?00:00
kanzureit's one of the config options in google groups00:00
nmz787antony's first post was last year00:01
kanzurefor the google groups mailing lists that i manage, i always enable the moderation options to review first-time posters.00:01
nmz78712/5/1200:01
kanzurewell, when you approve a post in google groups, you don't set the bit to "always allow"00:01
kanzure"always allow" is a separate action00:01
nmz787huh00:02
nmz787i feel like using a different platform now00:02
kanzureoh it's definitely shit00:02
kanzuremailman is worse00:02
kanzurenobody uses sympa on diyhpl.us00:02
nmz787why?00:02
kanzurebut jrayhawk would be really excited if you use try out the sympa instance!00:02
nmz787why is mailman worse?00:02
kanzuremailman is worse because it just is. have you ever looked at the source code? dreadful.00:02
nmz787no00:02
nmz787it's a mailing list, it works00:03
kanzurei suppose it's better in the sense that google groups is so awful these days. but that's an extremely low bar to surpass.00:03
nmz787never seen a need to hack it00:03
nmz787what features does it lack?00:03
kanzurepeople often complain that it's not a forum like phpbb00:03
nmz787it sends mail to the other people on the list00:03
nmz787so there is discussion locally about software for the possible portLAB00:04
kanzurewell. hplusroadmap was running on mailman for a while. then diybio showed up.00:04
nmz787basically no one wants to login to all kinds of sites00:05
kanzurei would be happy to complain about lab/hackerspace software another time, but i'm going to sleep.00:05
kanzurehaha i find that hard to believe. you don't even have to login to mailman.00:05
kanzureand oauth works for all the other things00:05
kanzurei mean oauth200:05
nmz787i like email interfaces00:05
nmz787but others like web, etc00:06
kanzurethere was a lot of people on diybio a few years ago who wanted to move everything to a forum00:06
nmz787someone was mirroring diybio on a forum some time ago00:06
kanzureso someone wrote a mail2forum gateway00:06
kanzureexcept nobody used the forums00:06
kanzureso ha00:06
nmz787yeah00:06
nmz787but that might need to be a real project00:06
kanzurewhy? :(00:06
nmz787mail2formum2sticky2wiki00:06
kanzureit's really boring work and not appreciated by anyone00:07
nmz787that's the name00:07
nmz787because that's what all these people seem to want/need00:07
nmz787ahh there was a typo, that isn't the name00:07
nmz787add in jitsi support, and get jrayhawk to package it00:07
nmz787seems like a thing people would install00:08
kanzurewhat is your objection to sympa?00:08
nmz787dunno what it is00:08
nmz787no objections00:08
kanzurehttp://diyhpl.us/sympa/00:08
nmz787so unrelated, an older mentor/friend mentioned wanting to store images as binary values in a databse00:09
nmz787which i thought was stupid due to size when you could store a file string00:09
nmz787i thought that the database queries would take super long as soon as the database was too big for RAM00:10
kanzuredatabases are particularly good at querying, even in non-fixed-width situation00:10
kanzure*sitations00:10
kanzure*situations00:10
kanzureespecially if the data can be indexed00:10
jrayhawkwon't be an efficient use of storage space, but storage is cheap anyway01:04
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jrayhawkit otherwise seems like a perfectly fine network-abstracted authenticated ACID storage and querying system01:06
jrayhawki am a little sad that Alue never really took off01:07
jrayhawkthe-alue.org01:07
jrayhawkit seemed like a good idea01:07
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DonnchaCpaperbot: https://www.thieme-connect.de/ejournals/pdf/10.1055/s-1992-26132.pdf05:05
paperbotno translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/c175886789ecd63300c8d5f08bdbac7c.txt05:05
archelshttp://gigazine.net/news/20130604-emperor-1510-lx/05:11
archelsDO WANT05:11
archelsDonnchaC: http://turingbirds.com/temp/s-1992-26132.pdf05:12
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DonnchaCarchels: Thank you very much!05:18
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superkuhpaperbot: http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/nl401088b05:26
paperboterror: HTTP 500 http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Light-Controlled%20Graphene-Elastin%20Composite%20Hydrogel%20Actuators.txt05:26
superkuhpaperbot: http://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/nl401088b05:27
paperbotno translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/784b3cacbabb7e57ece2b1f2877d3182.pdf05:27
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ParahSailinkanzure: burrows wheeler transform is pretty good for fast approximate searching08:08
ParahSailinnot really novel but thats the most effective08:09
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archels"Previous research has shown that following [...] ablation (Farkas et al. 1999) of whisker S1 there is an almost complete removal of whisker-evoked responses in S1."08:38
archelser... you don't say.08:39
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kanzureheard a techshop commercial on the radio today. i think they have a partnership with lowes.10:00
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DonnchaC_paperbot: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S095963800780010911:27
paperbotno translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Chapter%205.2%20Five-membered%20ring%20systems%3A%20pyrroles%20and%20benzo%20analogs.pdf11:28
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kanzure.title http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wK_u8-UQmOs13:29
yoleauxSoundWave: Using the Doppler Effect to Sense Gestures - YouTube13:29
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kanzurehttp://www.washington.edu/news/2013/06/04/wi-fi-signals-enable-gesture-recognition-throughout-entire-home/13:34
kanzurehttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=582428613:34
kanzure"The WiSee proof-of-concept is implemented in GNURadio using the USRP-N210 hardware. Each USRP is equipped with a XCVR2450 daughterboard, and communicates on a 10 MHz channel at 5 GHz. Since USRPN210 boards cannot support multiple daughterboards, we built a MIMO receiver by combining multiple USRP-N210s using an external clock. In our evaluation, we use MIMO receivers that have up to five antennas. We use single antenna USRP-N210s as ...13:35
kanzure... transmitters. ... So basically, they are using 6+ USRPs at $1400+ each to do these experiments. However, since each USRP is communicating on a 10MHz channel at 5GHz, someone with between two and five MIMO 802.11n Wi-Fi devices could theoretically do the same."13:35
kanzurepaperbot: http://wisee.cs.washington.edu/wisee_paper.pdf13:35
paperbotno translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/f387d046990d549e67d0a92975890a87.pdf13:35
kanzurewell sure. if you get a lot of non-standard radio equipment you can do non-standard things.13:36
browniesstill pretty cool that they're doing it with radio.13:37
brownies.meow13:37
yoleauxhttp://moar.edgecats.net/cats/tumblr_m3xwh7ViB81r1lkdko1_400.gif13:37
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nmz787_they'd just need to pull the doppler shift info from the driver or hardware... or if the shift correction is done on the copper, then it would be something that needs to be amended with manufacturers13:48
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kanzurephillyj: i'm not a diybio moderator, so i wasn't able to approve antony's message.14:47
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nmz787_hi phillyj14:56
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nmz787_paperbot: http://download.journals.elsevierhealth.com/pdfs/journals/0022-3476/PIIS0022347607007482.pdf15:18
paperbotno translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/2efd916f6bc56e67d729ed08f6dded40.txt15:18
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kanzure"megabyte is often used to mean 1000 x 1000, 1024 x 1024 or even 1024 x 1000 by disk manufacturers"17:07
kanzurei can see probable cause for confusion about 1000 vs 1024 but choosing 1024x1000 is just a dick move17:07
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browniesword on the street is that mega really should mean 1000 x 1000 since mega always means 10^something18:32
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jrayhawkbrownies: correct. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mebibyte19:11
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