2013-06-12.log

--- Log opened Wed Jun 12 00:00:54 2013
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archels`chuckle. entrance fee for the Singularity University Summit Europe is €150002:10
archels`it baffles me what sort of audience they're trying to attract02:41
archels`business people/entrepreneurs who like to drool over tech and stick their money into it?02:42
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qfwfqpaperbot: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1743-6109.2011.02461.x/abstract04:07
paperbotno translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/17b9420eb18ac96c8a8f2cc645c1cef5.txt04:07
qfwfqpaperbot: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1743-6109.2011.02461.x/pdf04:08
paperbotno translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/7c9a4acf9b33a83f800bb74265b25ed.txt04:08
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kanzure"I'd like to inform you, for those who would not have noticed yet, the new project OCCT Code Refactoring <http://dev.opencascade.org/index.php?q=home/projects/refactoring> is now active on the OCCT development portal. As this project would significantly impact the build, development and use of OCCT, we are especially interested in your feedback and your suggestions. For that, we have open dedicated topics on our forum ...06:49
kanzure... <http://dev.opencascade.org/index.php?q=forum/15>. Daniel"06:49
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chris_99paperbot: http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-642-10665-1_7106:55
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kanzurea little old, but whatever: http://www.catwig.com/google-glass-teardown/12:37
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kanzurebehold the glory of phantomjs users https://groups.google.com/d/msg/phantomjs/eWKlbjjH34c/1p6aR8KJ39gJ14:16
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heath"You are almost out of space for your Gmail account. Once you run out of space, you will not be able to send or receive any emails until you delete some items.15:08
heathYou can view our tips on reducing your email storage or purchase additional storage."15:08
kanzureyep :|15:12
kanzurei am paying them for 90 GB. it sucks.15:12
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Juulpaperbot, http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00221-013-3579-016:22
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jonathan___hi paperbot19:26
kanzurejonathan___: hello19:27
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jonathan___anyone ever use semiconductor ph sensors?19:27
jonathan___paperbot doi:10.1038/nmeth.252019:28
jonathan___is that how I use that thing19:28
yashgarothhttp please19:28
kanzurepaperboti s not that smart, but you could update it https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot19:28
kanzure*is not that smart19:28
jonathan___paperbot http://www.nature.com/nmeth/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nmeth.2520.html19:28
paperbotHTTP 401 unauthorized http://www.nature.com/nmeth/journal/vaop/ncurrent/pdf/nmeth.2520.pdf19:28
kanzuredenied :(19:28
kanzuretry via http://sci-hub.org/ (connect from russia)19:28
jonathan___ph meters are ripe for innovation I say19:29
jonathan___they're a bastion of the dark ages19:29
yashgarothyon glasse bulbes19:29
JayDuggerpapyrus tasseles19:30
jonathan___how does sci-hub work?19:31
yashgarothconnect via proxy, enter url, wait long-ass time for download19:32
jonathan___paperbot http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=110045619:33
paperbothttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/29c7e0edddcb235036ff0bfe00cc23f3.txt19:33
jonathan___I am sure my papers are too obscure19:34
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yashgarothwhat ieee doesn't give you paper access?19:35
kanzurewell, it's because paperbot doesn't have access to everything19:35
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jonathan___paperbot http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/articleDetails.jsp?arnumber=153093819:35
paperbothttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/2792d4d5cd33c6ab03931ae9fda4876d.txt19:35
jonathan___I like it, even though it is a failure19:37
jonathan___paperbot http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S000326700193361619:37
paperbotno translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/A%20field%20effect%20transistor%20as%20a%20solid-state%20reference%20electrode.pdf19:37
kanzurehooray it worked for once19:38
jonathan___ieee is very segregated in terms of access.   you have to be a member of a particular society19:38
kanzurehah then what's the point19:38
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jonathan___it's just their funding model that's all19:39
jonathan___like nature having multiple pub's19:39
kanzurehave you seen deepdyve/readcube?19:39
gradstudentbotIt's not really significant, but there's definitely a trend.19:39
jonathan___geez, acs is charging for a paper from 1975?19:42
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jonathan___paperbot http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ac60363a00519:42
paperboterror: HTTP 500 http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Potassium%20ion-sensitive%20field%20effect%20transistor.txt19:42
kanzurepaperbot needs to be rewritten to retry via sci-hub.org and other means19:42
jonathan___for the acs, it just does not understand the html well enough. the paper is in there I think19:43
jonathan___paperbot  http://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/ac60363a00519:43
kanzure<!--AccessDenialMessagePlaceholder-->19:43
paperbotno translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/85a08be525e8efda417d4d88353501e2.pdf19:44
kanzureoh weird19:44
kanzurefucking zotero19:44
jonathan___paperbot http://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/ja205684a19:45
kanzurepaperbot is based on https://github.com/zotero/translators and https://github.com/zotero/translation-server19:45
paperbotno translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/30956717a0905340fc5b6eef91b16ef8.pdf19:45
kanzureso this means the zotero translators are broken19:45
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kanzureplus paperbot's python fallbacks (which are poorly written and awful) aren't working either19:45
kanzure(there might not have been a manual acs fallback)19:45
jonathan___really..  did you see my shell scripts LOL19:46
jonathan___they spidered the entire IEEE site just with head, cut, tail19:46
jonathan___and a grep or two19:46
gradstudentbotCan I defend with just one aim done?19:46
kanzuretranslation-server runs javascript in gecko (firefox)19:46
jonathan___also nature and acs19:46
jonathan___I recall that tom knight posted a reply to my post about it, saying "please don't do that".   Hmm, Ok, I won't.19:47
jonathan___so, I didn't, of course.19:47
kanzure"gee thanks, tom"19:47
jonathan___it's a fair comment.  should not be done you know.19:48
kanzuresci-hub.org is paying people to run proxies19:48
kanzures/people/students/19:48
kanzuregradstudentbot: like you? are you even done with your paper yet?19:48
gradstudentbotIt was in Science last month.19:48
jonathan___I love this part:   <a href="/doi/pdf/10.1046/9999-9999.99999"><!-- Spider trap link -->19:49
kanzurehmm19:49
jonathan___Umm hello people, that's lovely19:49
kanzureyeah, thanks for telling us19:49
jonathan___yea LOL19:49
kanzureAIP started showing an image captcha19:49
kanzureof einstein (a copyrighted image)19:49
gradstudentbotI am writing the abstract.19:49
kanzurei mean, *a copyright-enforced image19:49
kanzurei mean, *the einstein foundation is a bunch of jerks19:50
kanzureanyway i'm curious how blind users are reading AIP now..19:50
delinquentmewhy does the friend referral thing work for hiring?19:51
delinquentmeknowing that the referer knows little to nothing about the technical position19:51
delinquentmehow does that even work???19:51
jonathan___If I had stayed in austin I definitely would have written up a browser plugin which everyone could use as a pdf cache system19:52
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jonathan___acs is very friendly though in comparison, I mean they do the spidering for you, see  <a href="/doi/abs/10.1021/ac60363a013" class="next" title="Next Article">19:53
kanzuresure19:54
kanzurepaperbot should be rewritten19:54
jonathan___grep 'class="next"' | cut -d" -f2 | wget19:54
kanzurei was thinking of getting rid of gecko and zotero translators19:54
kanzureand maybe using the python/gtk/gobject DOM bindings for webkit19:54
kanzurebut zotero translators already get most metadata.. which is nice.19:55
jonathan___maybe write it in html5 websockets19:55
kanzurewhere would the websockets originate from?19:55
jonathan___friendly connected clients19:55
kanzurei'm afraid that would be easy for sysadmins to block on campus19:56
kanzurehmm19:56
jonathan___I assume it's possible to do peer to server to peer19:56
gradstudentbotAm I going to be first author?19:56
kanzureclient-server is definitely possible with websockets.19:56
jonathan___the websocket originates from the client side so I dont think it would be a firewall issue.19:57
jonathan___I'm sure someone has an html5 proxy framework somewhere19:57
kanzurei've also been pondering things like, how many bitcoins could you charge for the complete history of nature19:58
kanzureor what about selling a cheaper subscription19:58
kanzureand then selling that to universities19:58
kanzure(again just via bitcoins)19:58
jonathan___I would stay away from fake currencies19:59
jonathan___some things are better left alone19:59
kanzurebitcoin exists20:00
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kanzuredon't lie to me20:00
gradstudentbotPeople have tried that, but it doesn't seem to work.20:00
kanzurethe point isn't to treat it as a currency20:02
kanzurethe point is to treat it as a way to perform pseudonymous transactions20:02
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jonathan___google bitcoin federal reserve20:05
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jonathan___let's see, you can play with matches, you can play with fire, or you can play with weapons of mass destruction.   joshua would you like to play a game?20:07
kanzurehuh?20:09
kanzureare you claimining bitcoin is not useful for pseudonymous transactions?20:09
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delinquentmekanzure, have you hung out with andreas sabetelli?20:09
delinquentmeI think you guys are like locals :P20:09
kanzureno records found20:09
delinquentmeSPEAKING OF20:09
delinquentmeklafka,20:09
klafkayo20:09
delinquentmewheres the love man??20:10
klafkai'm in portland atm20:10
delinquentmewoah!20:10
delinquentmewhatchoo doing there?20:10
kanzureklafka: you should hang out with nmz787_ and jrayhawk and lichen20:10
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kanzureklafka_: you should hang out with nmz787_ and jrayhawk and lichen20:10
klafka_i'm actually in the airport20:11
klafka_to go back to sf20:11
jrayhawkhaha20:11
klafka_sorry i had a busy schedule though :( rave then work <_<20:11
gradstudentbotMy experiment was working a second ago, but now it doesn't even work.20:12
klafka_anyway boarding ttyl20:13
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kanzuredo you at least hang out with brownies, Juul, delinquentme?20:13
jonathan___paperbot I would suggest adopting a nym server as your backend so you don't get roasted.20:13
kanzurepaperbot scrubs papers with pdfparanoia20:13
kanzurehttps://github.com/kanzure/pdfparanoia20:13
Juulkanzure, no, does brownies ever come to noisebridge / sudo room / cclabs?20:14
kanzurehmmmm20:14
kanzurebrownies: explain yourself20:14
delinquentmeI've not met brownies :P20:14
delinquentmeI know marc is hacking on the mesh net!20:14
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delinquentmeand that klafka is in portland20:14
Juuli think i've found my favorite community wifi project so far20:16
Juulhttp://www.myrtletown.net/wifi.php20:16
kanzure"My brother attended a conference where a speaker said that gait of human beings are so unique that an individual can be identified with 100% certainty using the accelerometer of the phone in their pocket."20:17
kanzurepaperbot: http://www.cs.yale.edu/homes/mfn3/pub/mfn_gait_id.pdf20:17
kanzurepaperbot: http://users.ece.cmu.edu/~juefeix/btas_2012_felix.pdf20:17
paperbotno translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/f6d49c0a2cbbfeb2453e4f18167ccd2b.pdf20:17
paperbotno translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/60a38732843c270b2c4bbfc66fb19786.txt20:17
gradstudentbotIt's contaminated.20:17
delinquentmekanzure, noooooooo20:19
delinquentmewah????20:19
delinquentmeJuul, you should crush on this project then hit up ubuquiti20:20
jonathan___paperbot http://iopscience.iop.org/0964-1726/10/2/322/pdf/0964-1726_10_2_322.pdf20:20
paperbotno translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/fe0510020677c70373614e5d9dff578d.pdf20:20
delinquentmeThey've got repeaters around the mission and they're always using SF scenery to get likes20:20
Juuldelinquentme, yeah, i need to talk to them. i already sent them an angry email when they told me they discontinued access to their SDK20:20
kanzurethose bastards20:21
kanzurebut i'm glad you're an official member of the hate mail club.20:21
jonathan___paperbot better check your watermark scrubber for iop20:21
delinquentmeI know they've got nice repeaters ... b ut then I've also seen some research operation come up with a focused router with a range in the KMs20:22
kanzurejonathan___: add an issue, https://github.com/kanzure/pdfparanoia/issues20:22
Juulhaha20:22
kanzureoh IOP is here https://github.com/kanzure/pdfparanoia/issues/320:22
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jonathan___paperbot http://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdfplus/10.1021/ac049851620:24
paperbotno translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/c80af75a4035b9369c125f0de55b79d5.pdf20:24
jonathan___geez the electronic circuit in that paper is like 1985 design and the paper was published 2004..20:26
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jonathan___paperbot http://jap.physiology.org/content/40/4/625.full.pdf+html20:51
paperbotno translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Evaluation%20of%20a%20dual-function%20pH%20and%20PCO2%20in%20vivo%20sensor.pdf20:51
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jonathan___another watermark error20:54
browniesyeah gait recognition is totally valid20:54
kanzureare you imitating gradstudentbot?20:56
gradstudentbotGrant submitted.20:56
browniesno, just commenting on something mildly interesting20:58
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jonathan_I bet they didn't include yoga students in the study21:26
jonathan_or crossfit athletes either21:27
jonathan_paperbot you could use an upgrade to make a dissertationbot21:31
brownieswhy? do they all walk the same way?21:31
kanzurei doubt it. hips aren't that normalized.21:32
jrayhawkwhen the only permissable way to step forward is in the process of doing a clean and jerk21:32
jonathan_paperbot http://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdfplus/10.1021/nn401757w21:34
paperbotno translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/6d1aa7e3c9b88dc6d21b90f224eaf56e.pdf21:34
jonathan_those hobbies might change gait that's why21:35
jonathan_they change posture quite a bit21:35
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jonathan_especially of weird hacker dudes with strange physical body quirks21:36
kanzureaccelerometer tracking is sorta useless anyway since you already have wifi fingerprinting21:37
browniesand, you know, since they're probably logged in to half a dozen services on their phone.21:37
jonathan_and if your phone is turned on the nsa is monitoring every move anyway21:37
jonathan_those nsa guys, they're a really bored bunch aint they21:38
kanzurecounterstalk the nsa21:38
kanzuredid i say that outloud?21:39
jonathan_ha, follow a bunch of uber square white guys with no sex life?  how boring21:40
jonathan_lets see, to get into nsa you need top secret clearance21:40
jonathan_which basically means:  you've never done anything fun in your life period21:40
jonathan_then group all those guys together with the same square culture21:41
jonathan_tho I could be rong21:41
jonathan_*wrong21:42
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jonathan_according to the game shop nearby there are a ton of square military dudes who are into pathfinder....  because they aren't allowed to have any vices21:42
jonathan_maybe that's why they went after steve jackson, they were just jealous.  lol21:43
jonathan_really things will change once a bunch of congressmen/women get tracked when they don't want.   then overnight the laws will be passed prohibiting it.21:45
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jonathan_google glass is freakin creepy21:46
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jrayhawkwith the exponential economization of sensors, computation, storage, and bandwidth, global panopticon is an inevitability21:51
jonathan_only if you buy into it21:52
jrayhawkthis is like refusing to "buy into" computers21:52
jrayhawkor general automation21:53
delinquentmeWhy parameter sensitivity matters21:53
jrayhawkyou're still going to be victimized, you just get to feel more morally superior while doing it while having less actual power21:54
delinquentmehttp://proteas.microlab.ntua.gr/ksiop/phd_funny/research_in_progress__funny/Why%20parameter%20sensitivity%20matters.gif21:54
kanzurewhat's wrong with your own wearable?21:54
kanzureif you wipe the software or build your own, i don't see the problem21:55
gradstudentbotWe were out of the right dye, so I just used an equivalent.21:55
jonathan_there are still people who never get fingerprinted or drivers license and get fake bank accounts.  sure they'll get facial recognition but there wont be any lookup.21:55
jonathan_I dont have a cell phone, most people dont believe me when I say so21:55
jonathan_requires putting up with the inconvenience21:56
kanzureyeah, i wouldn't believe that. you don't even have a junker you test software on?21:56
jonathan_I have a 1st gen iphone which was never activated and previously used a pay-as-you-go SIM with no id cash only, but have not used that SIM in years now, phone is always in airplane mode but typically I never bring it with me anyway21:57
jonathan_if I join a free wifi network with it then of course it could be identified and traced back based on browsing history I suppose21:59
kanzuresee! you do have one. god damn it.22:00
jonathan_I dont carry it, havent in years22:00
jonathan_last time I used it was on a biz trip to vegas, like 3 years ago22:01
jonathan_it is getting tougher to not carry a phone22:01
jrayhawk'it's the rationalization that allows you to blow a guy you can't stand, "I hate him but I'm going to make him cum so hard he'll just want more of me, which will be his punishment."  Let that analogy sink in for a moment.  From his perspective, not only did he still get blown, he liked it even more. In this analogy, the guy is [social empowerment] and you're not.'22:02
yashgarothuh22:02
kanzurei agree with yashgaroth22:02
jonathan_for example, if you cross the canadian border not at a normal gate, you are supposed to "call ahead" to tell the visa office.   which assumes there's a phone somewhere...22:02
jonathan_j, read "Why Women Have Sex - Understanding Sexual Motivations from Adventure to Revenge"22:03
jonathan_written by 2 ph d's of course22:04
jonathan_wow, that post about the GMO study is sad.  how many years and no valid studies?22:19
kanzureit's a shame that all the anti-GMO sentiments in europe aren't focused on the actual problems with monsanto22:21
kanzurepaperbot: http://ki.se/ki/jsp/polopoly.jsp?l=en&d=130&a=164761&newsdep=13022:24
paperbotno translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/377f0d751e0677a2617feb81634761c9.txt22:24
kanzure.title22:24
yoleauxkanzure: Sorry, that doesn't appear to be an HTML page.22:24
kanzure.title http://ki.se/ki/jsp/polopoly.jsp?l=en&d=130&a=164761&newsdep=13022:24
yoleauxNew method of mass-producing high-quality DNA - Startpage - Karolinska Institutet22:24
kanzurepaperbot: http://www.nature.com/nmeth/journal/vaop/ncurrent/abs/nmeth.2503.html22:25
paperbotHTTP 401 unauthorized http://www.nature.com/nmeth/journal/vaop/ncurrent/pdf/nmeth.2503.pdf22:25
kanzureblergh22:25
gradstudentbotI think I'll be done in 6 years.22:25
kanzure"We amplified oligonucleotides from clonal templates derived from single bacterial colonies and then digested cutter hairpins in the products, which released pools of oligonucleotides with precisely controlled relative stoichiometric ratios. We prepared 14–378-nucleotide MOSIC oligonucleotides either by in vitro rolling-circle amplification or by amplification of phagemid DNA in Escherichia coli. Analyses of the formation of a DNA crystal ...22:25
kanzure... and folding of DNA nanostructures confirmed the scalability, purity and stoichiometry of the produced oligonucleotides."22:25
jonathan_paperbot try something exotic for a change http://www.ajevonline.org/content/46/2/274.abstract22:45
jonathan_paperbot http://www.ajevonline.org/content/46/2/274.full.pdf+html22:46
paperbotno translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/2b7afd156a222050d24ce7c78c4ac99d.txt22:46
jonathan_paperbot obviously you dont drink much. <strong xmlns="">This item requires a subscription to American Journal of Enology and Viticulture. </strong>22:46
browniesis gradstudentbot on a timer or what?22:48
gradstudentbotI feel like you don't completely comprehend the scope of this work.22:48
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kanzurebrownies: no23:03
kanzuregradstudentbot: work on that article?23:06
gradstudentbotI need to read that paper soon.23:06
kanzuregradstudentbot:23:06
gradstudentbotI am writing the abstract.23:06
jonathan_paperbot I feel like our relationship has grown stronger in the past few hours yet now I must leave you. don't be lonely without me.23:08
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brownieskanzure: are you sure? sometimes he just says things unprovoked23:26
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abetuskkanzure, any references on treating business like a democracy?  Any templates?23:37
abetuskmaybe I should try #startups23:38
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