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| jonathan__ | "The world's first gun made using 3-D printing - called "The Liberator" - was successfully fired on May 6 in Austin, Texas. .... And now Danish startup Create It REAL has produced software that it says blocks users from printing guns in the first place. .... "The feature creates a unique digital fingerprint of the firearm...the manufacturer could decide to block the print or to simply give a warning to the user of the pote | 07:06 |
| jonathan__ | danger." " | 07:06 |
| jonathan__ | great, malware for 3d printers now | 07:07 |
| jonathan__ | and anti-malware-software to go with it | 07:07 |
| chris_99 | haha | 07:10 |
| chris_99 | what a joke | 07:10 |
| Urchin[emacs] | it was even worse than the original liberator, which usually enters lists of worst guns ever | 07:12 |
| @fenn | which is the malware in this case? (i'm honestly confused) | 07:12 |
| Urchin[emacs] | guns are not malware | 07:13 |
| gradstudentbot | Who the hell stole my pipette? | 07:13 |
| @kanzure | hahah "blocks" | 07:14 |
| @kanzure | god damn it. drm. | 07:14 |
| jonathan__ | just wait for the story to come out, it will at some point. kid downloads 3d model to print out a copy of his favorite toy fire engine, and oh nos! it prints out a gun instead! | 07:14 |
| @fenn | it's more like the DNA synthesis blacklist than anything | 07:14 |
| @kanzure | the fire truck transforms into a gun | 07:15 |
| @fenn | oh noes, it's a dong! call the baptists | 07:15 |
| @fenn | will somebody please think of the children | 07:15 |
| jonathan__ | yes, the children. | 07:15 |
| @kanzure | dunno how they plan to distinguish between toy guns and guns | 07:16 |
| @kanzure | or sling shots | 07:16 |
| @fenn | if there were software that could identify any gun, our problems would be solved | 07:16 |
| jonathan__ | I dont think fax machines ever had this feature. back in the old days it was common to get a lot of fax spam. hundreds of pages a day in fact. then I think there was finally a law passed against it and it slowed to a trickle, like one per day. | 07:17 |
| @fenn | (because that same software could engineer guns and other tools via random mutation and selection) | 07:17 |
| jonathan__ | fax never had anti-spam software for obvious reasons.. | 07:17 |
| chris_99 | considering you could make a 'gun' out of a pipe | 07:17 |
| chris_99 | i'm imagining it's pretty difficult | 07:17 |
| jonathan__ | obviously the software has to detect the gun AND transform it into a toy AND put that orange piece on the end to show it's a toy. | 07:18 |
| @kanzure | they probably just have a 3d printer phoning home | 07:18 |
| @kanzure | and then some assholes at the company marking hashes of knonw files to be "evil" | 07:18 |
| @fenn | i got into metalworking and machining because i wanted to make a better paintball gun; seeing how paintball guns are considered "firearms" all this fox news stuff has me sorta worried | 07:18 |
| chris_99 | doesn't a firearm have to use fire heh | 07:19 |
| jonathan__ | hey, how come all these columbine shooting sprees and newtown shooting sprees the dudes don't just use silencers? | 07:19 |
| @kanzure | my meetlog is essentially my own elaborate spying program | 07:19 |
| @kanzure | except it will probably just shoot me in the foot | 07:19 |
| jonathan__ | "New York City gets .nyc domain name approval " | 07:21 |
| jonathan__ | did everyone register their domans yet? | 07:21 |
| @fenn | am i the only one who thinks we should have less top level domains rather than more? | 07:21 |
| jonathan__ | I should register microbrew.nyc lol | 07:21 |
| jonathan__ | how about sexinthecity.nyc | 07:22 |
| @fenn | how about all one and two letter domains | 07:23 |
| jonathan__ | comsidering people aren't really supposed to ever type in a URL, yes TLDs are useless | 07:24 |
| @fenn | you arent supposed to type in a url? since when? | 07:24 |
| Urchin[emacs] | ?? | 07:24 |
| chris_99 | news to me | 07:24 |
| jonathan__ | duh, talk to nerds get a nerd response | 07:24 |
| jonathan__ | non-nerds do not "remember urls by heart" | 07:24 |
| jonathan__ | non-nerds do not "know what a url is" | 07:25 |
| @fenn | no, they read it on their cereal box | 07:25 |
| jonathan__ | non-nerds do not know the difference between the "search google" box in a browser and the "url box" in a browser! | 07:25 |
| gradstudentbot | I have this really good idea. I just can't get it to work. | 07:25 |
| @fenn | or see it on tv, or the side of a bus, or whatever | 07:25 |
| jonathan__ | thats just because of the broken usabiilty model | 07:25 |
| chris_99 | i think you're underestimating the general populice jonathan__ | 07:25 |
| @fenn | (my browser only has one box) | 07:26 |
| jonathan__ | i have a friend who will type "www.google.com" and then when google comes up he will type "disney.com" into the google search box lol | 07:26 |
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| jonathan__ | he has no understanding of url | 07:26 |
| @fenn | why doesnt he just type disney.com in the first place | 07:26 |
| jonathan__ | or domain or any of these nerd things and he won't ever | 07:26 |
| jonathan__ | I work with some rf engineers just out of school and they do not know the difference between some.example.com and example.com/some | 07:28 |
| @fenn | so, these rf engineers are not nerds?? | 07:28 |
| jonathan__ | they are not computer nerds they are rf nerds | 07:28 |
| jonathan__ | or vlsi nerds | 07:28 |
| gradstudentbot | It's not really significant, but there's definitely a trend. | 07:29 |
| @fenn | i didnt know it was good for anything besides making computers | 07:29 |
| jonathan__ | the usability model should be: there's a box, you type in the brand name or search term, it goes to the right place. | 07:29 |
| jonathan__ | that's the model, now make it work, scotty. | 07:29 |
| @fenn | what's "the right place" then? | 07:29 |
| jonathan__ | scotty, just get it done | 07:30 |
| jonathan__ | if it's a trademark it should go to the trademark's owner's site | 07:30 |
| @fenn | trademarks only apply in a particular domain | 07:30 |
| jonathan__ | if it's a brand it should go to the most likely brands | 07:30 |
| @fenn | most likely according to whom? | 07:30 |
| jonathan__ | there was this thing a long time ago called the yellow pages and white pages, that actually worked pretty well | 07:31 |
| jonathan__ | maybe because it wasn't an open source effort and was dictated by a monopoly | 07:31 |
| @fenn | oh, you mean like ICAN was before 2000 | 07:32 |
| jonathan__ | sure humans are good at categorizing and recognition, so just use that skill... maybe all blogs should go somewhere.blog | 07:33 |
| @fenn | i think the real problem is stupid people who are unwilling to learn even the most basic things about how the world works | 07:33 |
| jonathan__ | i'd say a related problem is how many nerds think of non-nerds as stupid people | 07:34 |
| jonathan__ | it's called usabilty | 07:34 |
| jonathan__ | search index is hard, why, because html is too loose | 07:34 |
| @fenn | it's really amazing that DNS even works at all | 07:35 |
| jonathan__ | metadata is not consistent, and the system can be gamed | 07:35 |
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| jonathan__ | maybe DNS should require keywords when registering a site. | 07:36 |
| jonathan__ | that would eliminate TLDs. | 07:36 |
| @fenn | how do you specify a particular keyword set then? | 07:37 |
| @kanzure | they don't read it on a cereal box. they "scan a qr code". maybe. | 07:37 |
| jonathan__ | well, TLD's are already a tiny set of particular keywords. they were just decided long ago by an open source dude. | 07:38 |
| @fenn | "an open source dude" are you serious? | 07:38 |
| @kanzure | jonathan__: so far you seem to be the most likely person to consider a non-nerd to be stupid | 07:38 |
| jonathan__ | "people should not have to know how to perform complex tasks which can be abstracted by software" != stupid | 07:39 |
| Urchin[emacs] | I've encountered the behavior of people googling urls, I've always managed to set them straight so far | 07:39 |
| @fenn | i think the first TLD was either .arpa or .mil | 07:39 |
| Urchin[emacs] | I view it as signing one's name with an X of the modern world | 07:39 |
| @kanzure | jonathan__: 07:34 < jonathan__> i'd say a related problem is how many nerds think of non-nerds as stupid people | 07:39 |
| @kanzure | jonathan__: you seem to have this opinion | 07:39 |
| jonathan__ | don't get semantic with me | 07:40 |
| jonathan__ | why a cereal box should have to say "visit kellogs corn flakes at kellog.com" is just silly | 07:41 |
| @fenn | my point is that there's no obvious natural one to one mapping of servers/websites and keywords | 07:41 |
| @kanzure | there never was | 07:41 |
| @kanzure | anyone assuming otherwise is a bad person | 07:41 |
| jonathan__ | ha, sure it's not obvious. that's why it's called regulatory. lol | 07:41 |
| @fenn | if we all spoke lojban, then maybe, just maybe it would be possible to map words to data structures | 07:42 |
| jonathan__ | why isn't the url just called "kellogs corn flakes" and be done with it | 07:42 |
| @fenn | kind of like wikipedia disambiguation pages | 07:42 |
| Urchin[emacs] | if you restricted yourself to subsets of lojban | 07:42 |
| jonathan__ | it's natural language processing | 07:43 |
| @fenn | (fwiw i now hate lojban) | 07:43 |
| jonathan__ | well, I guess siri will just take care of it | 07:43 |
| @fenn | so jonathan__ when you set up your internet toaster, how do you access it, versus the toaster belonging to the other jonathans in the world | 07:44 |
| jonathan__ | if .TLD is a data structure then why have to expose it to a trillion people | 07:44 |
| @kanzure | we'll put gradstudentbot in charge | 07:44 |
| gradstudentbot | You don't happen to have any more virgin flies, do you? | 07:44 |
| jonathan__ | the toaster connects to something right | 07:44 |
| @fenn | the toaster connects to the internet | 07:44 |
| Urchin[emacs] | fenn: compound words cause trouble there | 07:44 |
| jonathan__ | then, it's associated with that right | 07:44 |
| jonathan__ | oh, sure, it's in the cloud | 07:44 |
| @fenn | there could be multiple routes to the toaster | 07:45 |
| jonathan__ | I should type in "toaster in jonathan's kitchen" and that would be it | 07:45 |
| @fenn | which jonathan? | 07:45 |
| jonathan__ | that is assuming I have more than one toaster | 07:45 |
| @fenn | or more than one kitchen | 07:45 |
| jonathan__ | dude, it knows it's my search, so of course it automatically knows | 07:45 |
| @kanzure | how does it know you don't mean the other jonathans? | 07:46 |
| jonathan__ | my location is already known, so by default it's the kitchen nearest me | 07:46 |
| jonathan__ | if I'm talking about other jonathans then I use a last name of course | 07:46 |
| @fenn | how is this different from the currently awful behavior of google? | 07:46 |
| jonathan__ | how does english work, yea, exactly the same | 07:46 |
| @kanzure | last name is not specific enough | 07:46 |
| jonathan__ | if I'm talking about the default, I dont have to be specific | 07:46 |
| @kanzure | gradstudentbot: back me up, here. | 07:47 |
| @kanzure | you guys broke him | 07:47 |
| jonathan__ | location is specific | 07:47 |
| jonathan__ | hence, .nyc | 07:47 |
| jonathan__ | dude gradstudentbot is a girl hottie | 07:47 |
| gradstudentbot | Someone's sitting at my bench space. | 07:47 |
| @kanzure | .nyc doesn't mean "in nyc" | 07:47 |
| jonathan__ | don't destroy my illusions | 07:47 |
| @fenn | you mean all that spam i get from .la isn't really from horny celebrities? | 07:48 |
| @kanzure | i wonder what the equivalent gtld would be for beijing or 珠江三角洲 | 07:48 |
| @kanzure | grr encodings | 07:48 |
| jonathan__ | .nyc registrations proabbly have to pass some test for regulatory registration in NYC | 07:49 |
| @fenn | i really worry about unicode domain names | 07:49 |
| jonathan__ | it's the same with .travel | 07:49 |
| @kanzure | i mean 'the area known as hong kong and shenzen" | 07:49 |
| @kanzure | ' | 07:49 |
| jonathan__ | of course I dont know how they police that | 07:49 |
| gradstudentbot | Sorry, I can't really talk right now because I'm burried in grant writing. | 07:49 |
| Burninate | .hk? | 07:49 |
| @kanzure | .hk only makes sense for hong kong | 07:49 |
| @kanzure | plus, it's really a unicode symbol for those people | 07:50 |
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| @kanzure | what is it going to be? .xz----49140193 | 07:50 |
| Burninate | shenzhen is greater Hong Kong | 07:50 |
| @kanzure | i am bad at this | 07:50 |
| @kanzure | i believe you | 07:50 |
| jonathan__ | so obviously try to register starbucks.nyc and see what happens | 07:50 |
| jonathan__ | maybe it's all a consipiracy by the registrars to make more $ | 07:51 |
| @kanzure | biohacking.nyc | 07:51 |
| jonathan__ | now companies need to register cereal.com cereal.net cerial.nyc | 07:51 |
| @kanzure | today i am leaving san jose | 07:51 |
| @fenn | most humans can't tell the difference between – and - | 07:51 |
| @kanzure | just fyi to all the california nerds up in this joint. | 07:51 |
| jonathan__ | well the money is in xxx entertainment always has been | 07:52 |
| jonathan__ | I didnt know you had a physical location | 07:52 |
| Burninate | 'the money'? | 07:52 |
| jonathan__ | I thoguht you were ephemeral | 07:52 |
| @fenn | he's made out of meat | 07:52 |
| Burninate | xxx entertainment is now substantially free | 07:53 |
| jonathan__ | i thoguht his mind was jacked into the net and he existed everywhere? | 07:53 |
| Burninate | I dabble in omnipresence. | 07:53 |
| @fenn | i didn't deny that | 07:53 |
| jonathan__ | i also thought he was on the run from the law and could only live within certain embassies, like snowden | 07:54 |
| brownies | kanzure: leaving so soon? | 07:55 |
| @fenn | facultative californiaphile | 07:57 |
| jonathan__ | " In New York City 62 percent of workers were somewhat interested in changing careers, compared to 67 percent of workers in Atlanta and 60 percent in Los Angeles. Of the 14 percent of workers overall who were in their dream job, nearly 20 percent worked in business management, followed by 16 percent in healthcare." | 08:01 |
| jonathan__ | "Location was also important. Sixty percent of people living in San Francisco said they did not want to change careers. Twenty-two percent were likely to be in a dream job, compared to just eight percent of employees in Dallas-Ft, Worth and Los Angeles." | 08:02 |
| jonathan__ | I dont even know what "business management" means. | 08:02 |
| @fenn | yelling at people on the phone | 08:02 |
| jonathan__ | yea so why is that a "dream job" ? | 08:02 |
| @fenn | some people like it. go figure | 08:03 |
| jonathan__ | maybe it means "making a lot of money to bullshit people for 8 hours a day" | 08:03 |
| brownies | "somewhat interested" seems like a really noncommittal answer, too | 08:03 |
| jonathan__ | "Business Management is a two-year, 60-credit course of study leading to an A.A.S. degree. The coursework includes both general requirements (liberal arts courses) as well as curriculum requirements (business courses)." | 08:04 |
| jonathan__ | "Introduction to Travel & Tourism " ummm OK i can see why it would be a dream job if there's basically no work involved | 08:04 |
| jonathan__ | I always wonder what happens to all those "business majors" in college. there's so many of them. where do they go? | 08:05 |
| jonathan__ | is it really possible to grow up into a salaried adult after sleeping thru classes and drinking mass quantities of beer multiple times per week? | 08:06 |
| jonathan__ | I've never had a manager who actually had a business major at all. | 08:07 |
| @fenn | i think most of them go into sales | 08:08 |
| jonathan__ | i did meet a guy who said his previous job was being a marketing manager for selling toilet paper. I was kind of in disbelief. | 08:10 |
| jonathan__ | um not marketing manager. product line manager. like, his job was to manage relationships with companies that bought his employer's toilet paper. (????) | 08:11 |
| jonathan__ | there needs to be a human for that??? | 08:11 |
| jonathan__ | what exactly is a toilet paper relationship? | 08:12 |
| @fenn | cue rant about the superiority of communism | 08:13 |
| jonathan__ | can a 3d printer print fiberglass? | 08:15 |
| @fenn | if you consider a LOM robot a "3d printer" | 08:16 |
| jonathan__ | I assume not.. | 08:16 |
| jonathan__ | fiberglass seems pretty complex. layers of mat with epoxy. | 08:16 |
| @fenn | there was some work with reprap embedding fibers, but it was only along the xy plane | 08:17 |
| @fenn | modern carbon fiber techniques include 3d weaves and other fancy tricks to maximize strength | 08:17 |
| @fenn | .title http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4DLr8qHliI | 08:19 |
| yoleaux | Weaving the Lexus LFA's Carbon Fiber A-Pillar is Mesmerizing - YouTube | 08:19 |
| chris_99 | that's insanely clever! | 08:20 |
| chris_99 | do they make the whole chassis with that? | 08:21 |
| @fenn | that's not even 3d weave, i'm not even sure how it's done | 08:22 |
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| @kanzure | brownies: yes | 08:41 |
| brownies | a little higher quality video... though more marketing in there too | 08:42 |
| brownies | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AScfESzQzIQ | 08:42 |
| brownies | .title | 08:42 |
| yoleaux | Lexus: The Hard Way - Carbon Loom - YouTube | 08:42 |
| brownies | it sounds like they make those rods of woven fibers and then mold and resin-ify them | 08:43 |
| @kanzure | "Aubrey de Grey has been appointed Adjunct Professor of MIPT in Moscow" sell-out | 08:43 |
| brownies | don't adjunct professors make terribly small amounts of money? | 08:44 |
| @kanzure | aubrey is loaded | 08:44 |
| @kanzure | he inherited a fortune | 08:44 |
| @kanzure | his actual background is comp sci and hanging out in silicon valley through the 80s-90s | 08:45 |
| brownies | oh, really? i had no idea. | 08:46 |
| gradstudentbot | I think I'll be done in 6 years. | 08:47 |
| @kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/aubrey.jpg | 08:48 |
| @fenn | well "professor de grey" sounds much more authoritative | 08:48 |
| @kanzure | "he's only a lesser professor, one of those adjunct associates" | 08:49 |
| @kanzure | campbell is moving to portland | 08:49 |
| @kanzure | no wait.. eugene? | 08:49 |
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| @fenn | close enough | 08:49 |
| gradstudentbot | I did so much qPCR today. | 08:51 |
| @fenn | omg gradstudentbot actually did something | 08:52 |
| gradstudentbot | Let's pour a bunch of chemlights into a spinner flask and claim it's luminescent e.coli. | 08:52 |
| @fenn | hey wasnt that yash's idea for the carlsbad lab demo? | 08:53 |
| @fenn | (do they have a name yet?) | 08:54 |
| @kanzure | biotechnbeyond | 08:54 |
| @fenn | "i've been spending a lot of time in the pub. pubmed ,that is." | 08:58 |
| @kanzure | ouch | 08:58 |
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| @kanzure | ah man, i almost forgot about this paper | 09:13 |
| @kanzure | http://creativemachines.cornell.edu/sites/default/files/Science09_Schmidt.pdf | 09:13 |
| @kanzure | this is the one where they used symbolic regression to figure out natural laws like for pendulum motion | 09:14 |
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| @fenn | symbolic regression is pure magic | 09:16 |
| @kanzure | i usually fail to remember the exact relationship to genetic algorithm | 09:17 |
| @kanzure | http://www.mafy.lut.fi/EcmiNL/older/ecmi35/node70.html | 09:17 |
| @fenn | .title | 09:17 |
| yoleaux | Symbolic regression - an overview | 09:17 |
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| @kanzure | "While domain of EAs is of numerical nature (real, complex, integer, discrete), domain of symbolic regression is of functional nature, i.e. it consist of function set like (sin(), cos(), gamma(), MyFunction(),...) and so called terminal set (t, x, p, ...). From mix of both sets is then synthetised final program, which can be quite complicated in point of view of its structure. | 09:17 |
| @kanzure | In the novadays there are three methods allowing to do that: genetic programming, grammar evolution and analytic programming." | 09:18 |
| @kanzure | so basically.. manipulation of directed graphs that represent mathematical equations, or something. | 09:18 |
| superkuh | paperbot: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v492/n7427/full/492031a.html | 09:19 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Nuclear%20energy%3A%20Thorium%20fuel%20has%20risks.pdf | 09:19 |
| @kanzure | superkuh: what sdr things should i buy? | 09:19 |
| @fenn | a usb tv tuner at least | 09:20 |
| superkuh | Do you only want to receive? | 09:21 |
| superkuh | If so, just an rtlsdr dongle with an R820T tuner. | 09:21 |
| @kanzure | what about transmitting? | 09:21 |
| superkuh | Otherwise I guess the BladeRF at around $400. | 09:21 |
| @kanzure | i don't have any particular goals. i just feel a little geek shamed. | 09:21 |
| @kanzure | what if i wanted to spend 10x more? | 09:21 |
| superkuh | I don't know about that price range. | 09:21 |
| @kanzure | okay. i heard an urban hacker legend about a friend of a friend of a friend who bought a military satellite dish off ebay for $2k or something. then he started to scan the night sky. | 09:22 |
| @fenn | must be a big dish | 09:23 |
| @kanzure | 3-5 feet | 09:23 |
| superkuh | The Ettus USRP line is a bit more expensive and modular at ~$800. They have very good, established GNU Radio support. The BladeRF GNU Radio stuff is still beta. | 09:23 |
| @kanzure | i think it would be fun to purchase one of those, let someone in here "own" it, but then do software timeshare stuff to let others control the hardware and do scans. | 09:23 |
| superkuh | A lot of the cost would be in the antenna pointing hardware. | 09:24 |
| @fenn | i wonder if phased array makes more sense | 09:24 |
| @fenn | what's the inverse of beam forming called? | 09:24 |
| superkuh | beam forming. | 09:25 |
| @fenn | i'll beam form your beam form, whippersnapper | 09:25 |
| superkuh | If you want to do a lot of array stuff look into Casper boards. | 09:26 |
| superkuh | https://casper.berkeley.edu/ | 09:26 |
| superkuh | They have a mailing list that's fairly active as well. | 09:27 |
| @fenn | anyway if you're capturing all the raw signals you can point the beam after the fact | 09:28 |
| @fenn | maybe a dish has a higher gain? | 09:28 |
| superkuh | And a pencil beam without interferometric confusion. | 09:29 |
| superkuh | Before all the specialized cleaning algorithms array data is very dirty. | 09:29 |
| superkuh | So I read... | 09:30 |
| @kanzure | jblake was telling me yesterday that my plans to run aircrack-ng on sdr data were infeasible :| | 09:30 |
| superkuh | I've never done UV image synthesis. | 09:30 |
| @kanzure | needs signal -> adc -> fpga -> usb to linux box | 09:30 |
| @kanzure | otherwise too slow for 802.11 | 09:30 |
| superkuh | The middle bit there is what all the BladeRF and USRP do. There's usually extra space on the fpga in them. | 09:31 |
| @kanzure | are these user-modifiable fpgas? | 09:32 |
| superkuh | Yes. | 09:32 |
| superkuh | Explicitly. | 09:32 |
| @kanzure | fascinating | 09:32 |
| superkuh | There's a costlier BladeRF with an extra large fpga for $600. | 09:32 |
| @fenn | how do you program the fpga? | 09:32 |
| @fenn | (does anyone do MPGA or other soft architectures?) | 09:33 |
| superkuh | That's beyond me. I just play with $10 usb dongles. | 09:33 |
| superkuh | There is #bladerf here on freenode. | 09:33 |
| superkuh | And in #gnuradio I bet a lot of USRP guys. | 09:34 |
| @fenn | hm. apparently the concept has disappeared from the net. an MPGA is a virtualization of an FPGA so you don't need proprietary software tools to reconfigure the FPGA once it's been flashed | 09:35 |
| gradstudentbot | Friends don't let friends go to super school. | 09:35 |
| @fenn | also you can quickly reconfigure parts of it at runtime | 09:35 |
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| delinquentme | ermerger | 09:42 |
| delinquentme | {|:] | 09:43 |
| delinquentme | ermberger^ | 09:43 |
| @fenn | make sense, you | 09:46 |
| delinquentme | oh crap that wasnt supposed to be open face | 09:48 |
| delinquentme | [{/\|:] * | 09:48 |
| delinquentme | now with bacon | 09:48 |
| @fenn | go learn regular expressions | 09:49 |
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| delinquentme | b!tch Im a culinary grilled masterpiece chef flipper of burgers. | 09:52 |
| delinquentme | fenn, you not a rails kid ja? | 09:52 |
| @fenn | never touched it | 09:53 |
| @fenn | direction of arrival estimation is the inverse of beamforming | 09:58 |
| @kanzure | 10:07 <&iimarckus> mask-programmable gate array? | 10:15 |
| @kanzure | 10:07 <&iimarckus> http://www.fpgacentral.com/pld-types/mpga-mask-programmable-gate-array | 10:15 |
| @kanzure | 10:08 <&iimarckus> came across this, planning to look more closely at it when i get home and have access to some fpgas https://github.com/Wolfgang-Spraul/fpgatools | 10:15 |
| @fenn | no, MPGA = meta FPGA, as described here http://web.archive.org/web/20050414203105/http://ce.et.tudelft.nl/~reinoud/mpga/README.html | 10:19 |
| @fenn | of course one has to wonder how many turtles we can stack up | 10:23 |
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| heath | i'm guessing somewhere someone has put together a list of possible things that can eventually be done with synthetic biology, anyone know of such a list? | 10:34 |
| @fenn | "The newly declared human right of informational self-determination de:Informationelle Selbstbestimmung gives the right of prevent one's identity and personal data from disclosure to others, and also covers disclosure of locality as well" you kids better not be doing any unauthorized computation mmkay? | 10:35 |
| @fenn | from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_time_location_system which would be pretty damn awesome to do with SDR | 10:36 |
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| @fenn | heath: i doubt such a list exists because it's so broad in scope | 10:38 |
| @fenn | like "things which can be done with electronics" covers half the internet | 10:38 |
| @kanzure | "things that can be done with biology" includes the internet | 10:39 |
| @fenn | a biological internet? | 10:39 |
| @kanzure | huh? no i mean humans created the internet. | 10:39 |
| @fenn | but the internet isn't implemented in biology | 10:40 |
| @kanzure | neither is fossil fuels | 10:40 |
| @kanzure | i am just being a douche about semantic scope | 10:40 |
| gradstudentbot | So what's a credit score? | 10:40 |
| @fenn | .meow | 10:40 |
| yoleaux | http://moar.edgecats.net/cats/tumblr_lqemghdwXc1qbz2cio1_500.gif | 10:40 |
| heath | i figure there's some blog post somewhere talking about the future of synthetic biology and the author had enough "imagine blah blah blah blah" comments that it turned into a list of projects | 10:42 |
| @kanzure | that describes literally every synthetic biology paper ever | 10:42 |
| @fenn | heath: i'd suggest reading some fiction by greg egan | 10:43 |
| @kanzure | most biology fiction is pretty bad. greg egan is a little okay. but everything else is a disaster. even greg bear's bloodthing book. | 10:44 |
| @fenn | chaff and teranesia | 10:45 |
| @kanzure | biology scifi seems pretty hard to write | 10:46 |
| @kanzure | unless you were focusing on diseases | 10:46 |
| heath | will someone prease go through all of egan's books and make a list for me? :) | 10:47 |
| @kanzure | no | 10:47 |
| heath | kanzure: you've got this | 10:47 |
| heath | you type faster than everyone here, i think your ideal for this task | 10:47 |
| superkuh | Gregory Benford and David Brin's "Heart of the Comet" was written in the 1980s. It's biotech jargon and uses still hold up pretty well today. | 10:49 |
| @fenn | heath: just read "chaff" it's not long: http://fennetic.net/irc/luminous.pdf | 10:49 |
| superkuh | Peter Watt's "Rifters" series is good too. | 10:49 |
| superkuh | And Paul J McAuley's "The Quiet War" series. | 10:50 |
| superkuh | All of them depend heavily on biotechnology. | 10:50 |
| @fenn | oh damn that file isn't complete.. nevermind | 10:51 |
| superkuh | I only read Greg Bears' "Blood Music" a couple weeks ago. If you just stop 1/3rd through it is okay. | 10:51 |
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| @fenn | i liked "the helix and the sword" ... when i was in middle school :\ | 10:52 |
| heath | http://io9.com/5049810/announcing-the-winners-of-the-io9-mad-science-contest | 10:58 |
| heath | "Jonathan Cline, a software engineer, developed a biological breathalyzer system made of bacteria. Instead of measuring alcohol levels, however, his system measures the metabolic state of "ketosis" in a person's body - this is the state where the body starts burning fat and turning it into energy. Ketosis is induced by the Atkins diet as well as caloric restriction. " | 10:58 |
| heath | go jonathan__ | 10:58 |
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| @kanzure | software engineer.. haha | 11:01 |
| @kanzure | also, shame on any of you for (1) reading io9, and (2) submitting anything to io9 | 11:01 |
| @kanzure | 10:51 < superkuh> I only read Greg Bears' "Blood Music" a couple weeks ago. If you just stop 1/3rd through it is okay. | 11:02 |
| @kanzure | that's hilarious. i didn't stop. maybe i should try stopping next time. | 11:02 |
| @fenn | quitting is for quitters! | 11:03 |
| superkuh | Charles Stross' "Scratch Monkey" has some uniquely disturbing biological epigenetic weapons in it. | 11:04 |
| superkuh | But it is not exactly hard scifi. Too far future. | 11:05 |
| @kanzure | yeah, but the problem with stross is that the way he writes is self-congratulatory or something | 11:05 |
| @kanzure | 14:09 < user_> kanzure_: ian is displeased with stross for pandering | 11:06 |
| @kanzure | 14:10 < kanzure_> is that what stross is doing? pandering? | 11:06 |
| @kanzure | 14:11 < user_> some of it, pandering to nerd desire to feel good about themselves for catching a conceptual reference to ideas of the sort that might have been favorably mentioned in wired | 11:06 |
| @kanzure | 14:14 < kanzure_> maybe we could collectively send stross a letter asking him nicely to stop doing that and to please put more effort into writing | 11:06 |
| superkuh | I have no problem with it. Concepts > story for me. | 11:06 |
| @kanzure | 12:07 < kanzure_> blah, the first few sentences are just terrible http://www.goldengryphon.com/Stross-Concrete.html | 11:06 |
| @kanzure | 12:07 < kanzure_> "It's even worse when you're sleeping the sleep that follows a pitcher of iced margueritas in the basement of the Dog's Bollocks, with a chaser of nachos and a tequila slammer or three for dessert" | 11:07 |
| @kanzure | 12:07 < kanzure_> who cares charlie, we get it, you know words about foods | 11:07 |
| @kanzure | superkuh: well, okay. fair enough. | 11:07 |
| @kanzure | i think orion's arm still has a shot at doing something great with its content | 11:09 |
| superkuh | I wish I could buy new scifi books without DRM. I've been trying to get my hands on Baxter/Pratchett's "The Long War" but I refuse to install the ebook retailers proprietary software to get the ID/keys required to use with Calibre to rip the books out of the DRM containers. | 11:10 |
| @kanzure | fenn: following up.. | 11:10 |
| @kanzure | 10:52 <&iimarckus> interesting idea, but a little pointless given the mpga itself can't be implemented with open tools | 11:10 |
| @kanzure | 10:53 <&iimarckus> i mean, i see the point, but imo time would be better spent in RE or something | 11:10 |
| @kanzure | 10:56 <&iimarckus> might be useful for academia, kind of like MMIX | 11:10 |
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| heath | "if you're working with pathogens, you're a terrorist" --genspace | 12:14 |
| heath | grr | 12:15 |
| @kanzure | "fuck doctors" | 12:17 |
| heath | these guys are now terrorist: http://2008.igem.org/Team:Heidelberg | 12:23 |
| heath | http://w3techs.com/blog/entry/nginx_just_became_the_most_used_web_server_among_the_top_1000_websites | 12:24 |
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| * heath is looking for something simple to build with biobricks | 12:49 | |
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| @kanzure | engelbart is dead | 14:05 |
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| klafka | yeah i saw :( | 14:53 |
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| ParahSailin | what js magic is used in gmail for example, that triggers the file browser dialogue when you click the paperclip | 15:03 |
| ParahSailin | giving a "click" event to a hidden input[type=file] doesnt do that | 15:03 |
| ParahSailin | ah nevermind i got it | 15:07 |
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| delinquentme | ParahSailin, did you sort it? | 16:37 |
| delinquentme | $('#id_name').trigger("click") is something you can use | 16:37 |
| nmz787_ | paperbot: http://pubs.rsc.org/en/Content/ArticleLanding/2012/LC/c1lc20667b | 16:37 |
| paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Converting%20steady%20laminar%20flow%20to%20oscillatory%20flow%20through%20a%20hydroelasticity%20approach%20at%20microscales.pdf | 16:37 |
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| nmz787_ | paperbot: http://iopscience.iop.org/0960-1317/19/4/047002/pdf/0960-1317_19_4_047002.pdf | 17:25 |
| paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/a7edf499d3f3551e519904d5c2561d9.pdf | 17:25 |
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| jonathan__ | things are blowing up in the sky | 21:59 |
| jonathan__ | it looks like WW III | 21:59 |
| jonathan__ | someone call the nsa | 21:59 |
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| jonathan__ | this should be fenn's http://www.greasegasandglory.com/media/catalog/product/cache/3/small_image/245x/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/g/a/garage-built-fuck-factories-pint-glass-set-t.jpg | 22:08 |
| jonathan__ | this one too http://www.greasegasandglory.com/media/catalog/product/cache/3/image/328x398/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/g/a/garage-built-fuck-factories-helmet.jpg | 22:09 |
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| superkuh | paperbot: http://www.nature.com/nphys/journal/v9/n7/full/nphys2677.html | 23:05 |
| paperbot | HTTP 401 unauthorized http://www.nature.com/nphys/journal/v9/n7/pdf/nphys2677.pdf | 23:05 |
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| @kanzure | i am back in austin | 23:25 |
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| heath | "This year we have several project plans which, if they don't self-assemble into green goo and eat the molecular biology building, should be fairly amusing. " | 23:39 |
| heath | http://2006.igem.org/wiki/index.php/UT_Austin_2005 | 23:39 |
| @kanzure | that was when anselm did the photobacteria plate stuff | 23:40 |
| heath | it looks like in 2004 everyone just made a lot of progress in producing parts for the biobricks library | 23:40 |
| @kanzure | biobricks are worthless | 23:40 |
| @kanzure | when are you going to get over this phase | 23:41 |
| @kanzure | and get back to doing things | 23:41 |
| heath | i'm going through each of the years right now creating a csv with the headers: year, project, devices, tags, uri, team | 23:41 |
| heath | it's a phase, it shouldn't past tomorrow | 23:41 |
| heath | ...+last past... | 23:42 |
| @kanzure | why? | 23:42 |
| @kanzure | half of their projects are lies | 23:42 |
| jonathan__ | more than half | 23:42 |
| @kanzure | the other half will only work if you have a team of 20 students dicking around with things that don't work | 23:42 |
| jonathan__ | 90% | 23:42 |
| heath | that's sad | 23:42 |
| jonathan__ | they are 'theoretical designs' not real designs | 23:42 |
| heath | maybe BioMOD has different results | 23:42 |
| jonathan__ | it is an applications idea generation contest | 23:43 |
| heath | http://biomod.net/ | 23:43 |
| heath | .title | 23:43 |
| yoleaux | BIOMOD | International Biomolecular Design Competition | 23:43 |
| @kanzure | the primary purpose of biobricks and igem is a marketing campaign | 23:43 |
| @kanzure | notice how nobody has actually been able to get biobricks outside of the igem competition | 23:43 |
| jonathan__ | it's more than that | 23:43 |
| @kanzure | also notice how there's only 2 publicly available biobricks | 23:43 |
| jonathan__ | it is a tool to get biologists to think differently | 23:43 |
| @kanzure | and by "available" i mean "they wont ship it to you, but they might claim you have a right to use it, maybe, you dirty fucking communist" | 23:44 |
| jonathan__ | well, thats also marketing campaign | 23:44 |
| heath | jonathan__: do you mean put them (biologists) on a correct or incorrect track? | 23:44 |
| jonathan__ | it's not that hard to get biobricks jeez all it takes is a paper envelope | 23:44 |
| jonathan__ | biologists do not think in terms of reusable parts | 23:44 |
| @kanzure | jonathan__: all the reports on diybio seem to indicate that nobody can get them | 23:44 |
| jonathan__ | well that's a low standard to set isnt it | 23:45 |
| @kanzure | uh? that's what we're talking about. | 23:45 |
| @kanzure | "outside of igem/university/the marketing campaign" | 23:45 |
| jonathan__ | i wouldnt trust anyone on diybio to be able to tie their shoelaces | 23:45 |
| @kanzure | it also feels like it's just a campaign to get drew/ruttberg/others a cushy job.. not sure. | 23:45 |
| jonathan__ | one angle is changing the bio educational path too | 23:46 |
| jonathan__ | move the applications tech up front instead of at the backend | 23:46 |
| jonathan__ | if it does that, then it is worthy of the hype | 23:46 |
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| jonathan__ | do you want me to get a copy of a bunch of biobricks to prove it can be done? I'd rather not go thru the effort. it's just pieces of paper it's not like it is "so" difficult to get access | 23:47 |
| @kanzure | i didn't say access i said copies | 23:48 |
| @kanzure | wait i don't know what i said | 23:48 |
| jonathan__ | from everything everyone says on diybio it's also tough to get lab access | 23:48 |
| @kanzure | but yeah access is walk into a lab while they aren't looking, no big deal | 23:48 |
| jonathan__ | how long did it take me to get lab access in austin? one day. | 23:48 |
| @kanzure | i don't think he likes me | 23:49 |
| jonathan__ | what counts is getting things done. | 23:49 |
| @kanzure | not anymore | 23:49 |
| @kanzure | i meant, as a continuation of my last message | 23:49 |
| jonathan__ | sure you can't get "real official book" of biobricks | 23:49 |
| jonathan__ | that's like saying, I can't get a copy of apple's iphone sdk without registering with them and agreeing to their license agreement. | 23:50 |
| jonathan__ | it wouldn't take you more than an hour to download the exact same sdk from a torrent. | 23:50 |
| @kanzure | well, you don't have to do that actually | 23:50 |
| jonathan__ | since biobricks are open source there isn't even any licensing agreement anyway | 23:50 |
| @kanzure | saurik was kind enough to circumvent that process for you so that you can compile on debian and other linuxes | 23:50 |
| jonathan__ | exactly | 23:51 |
| @kanzure | uh, open source is a license | 23:51 |
| @kanzure | no, that's not the same as the torrent you mentioned | 23:51 |
| jonathan__ | you don't even need biobricks to build with biobricks | 23:51 |
| @kanzure | i am going to sleep this is painful | 23:51 |
| jonathan__ | point being, no one really wants them because they don't work anyway | 23:51 |
| jonathan__ | so what's the purpose of getting copies of them | 23:52 |
| @kanzure | to make heath shut the fuck up | 23:52 |
| @kanzure | isn't that obvious? | 23:52 |
| jonathan__ | that won't work | 23:52 |
| jonathan__ | it's like trying to convince a script kiddie not to be a script kiddie and there's more to life than visual basic. that doesnt work either you know. | 23:52 |
| jonathan__ | let the bygones be bygones | 23:53 |
| jonathan__ | innovation can still happen with biobricks if the right person comes along to really spend the time on it. | 23:54 |
| @kanzure | once upon a time, i was convinced to stop using visual basic and to stop calling myself a l33t hax0r | 23:54 |
| jonathan__ | who better to spend time then some indie hacker dude with no academic deadline or biz politics driving product cycles | 23:54 |
| jonathan__ | who did the convincing? | 23:55 |
| @kanzure | an actual hacker | 23:55 |
| @kanzure | 'night | 23:56 |
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| jonathan__ | the difference is... there are no "actual dna hackers"... if there were.. then they could advertise a working sdk. until then, biobricks is just another lame mostly-non-working sdk. in essence. Partner with a lab and get a copy and play with it, maybe it will improve. | 23:58 |
| heath | morning time lupfantomo, are you located in/around st.louis? | 23:58 |
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