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| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/paperbot/commit/?id=29ea31c5 Bryan Bishop: make sure shurl is defined in advance | 00:00 |
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| gnusha | paperbot: reload papers | 00:00 |
| paperbot | UnboundLocalError: local variable 'shurl' referenced before assignment (file "/srv/ikiwiki/paperbot/modules/papers.py", line 157, in download) | 00:00 |
| paperbot | gnusha: <module 'papers' from '/srv/ikiwiki/paperbot/modules/papers.py'> (version: 2013-07-09 07:00:40) | 00:00 |
| @kanzure | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/paperbot/commit/?id=29ea31c5 | 00:00 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/a9d0939622a81088a01e6bc4dfef1bb3.txt | 00:00 |
| @kanzure | gah it's lost its explicitness | 00:01 |
| @kanzure | paperbot: https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/paperbot/commit/?id=29ea31c5 | 00:01 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/8f928cf10937be452a341f7291a7ccf9.txt | 00:01 |
| @kanzure | ParahSailin: can you look into this whenever? | 00:04 |
| @kanzure | also someone should read http://genofond.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=6452 | 00:05 |
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| nmz787_ | paperbot:http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-642-02391-0_26 | 03:37 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/4e1df72e21065d4cc71da3f92e05091d.txt | 03:38 |
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| adillian | Hi | 04:41 |
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| @kanzure | "Hi Bryan, I am writing to you in my capacity as the review chair for this year's Open Hardware Summit, to you, in your capacity as a figure of importance in the Open Source Hardware community. I would like to ask if you would be interested to help us review the submissions for talks at this year's OHS." | 07:26 |
| @kanzure | i guess if you wait long enough, people might listen | 07:26 |
| @kanzure | just sit around writing angry emails and angry comments in irc and something might happen, anyone can do it | 07:34 |
| adillian | hello | 07:36 |
| adillian | how do I transhuman? | 07:37 |
| @kanzure | learn programming, electronics, molecular biology, maybe some chemistry, build equipment and devices | 07:40 |
| EnLilaSko | adillian: By changing sex | 07:41 |
| EnLilaSko | Or atleast dressing like the other sex | 07:41 |
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| @kanzure | go away | 07:41 |
| EnLilaSko | Sorry, thought a joke would be ok | 07:41 |
| EnLilaSko | lol | 07:41 |
| @kanzure | it was a terrible joke | 07:41 |
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| eudoxia | just joined to provide independent confirmation that it was in fact a pretty bad joke | 07:57 |
| eleitl | Joke? | 07:58 |
| eleitl | There was a joke? | 07:58 |
| @kanzure | eleitl: hello | 07:59 |
| eudoxia | hey eleitl | 07:59 |
| eleitl | Hail eudoxia. | 07:59 |
| eleitl | Hi kanzure. How's things? | 07:59 |
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| eudoxia | how's your cryo org going? got to test stuff on actual cadavers? | 08:00 |
| eleitl | Cryo org is going very slowly. We're waiting for the legal expertise. | 08:00 |
| @kanzure | it's too early for me to determine how things are, i'm still waking up | 08:01 |
| eleitl | I wouldn't expect that before August/September. | 08:01 |
| eleitl | Oh, booting up. | 08:01 |
| eleitl | Ideal case is that active shutdown in Switzerland is legal. | 08:01 |
| eleitl | That would be a major sales proposition, obviously. | 08:02 |
| eleitl | Given that your average suspension is terrible beyond words. | 08:03 |
| eleitl | anyone has changed procedure post-Snowden? | 08:04 |
| eleitl | maybe it's time for a little NSA honeypotting | 08:05 |
| eudoxia | i don't think i've even used tor since the Snowden Ultimatum | 08:06 |
| eudoxia | "what's the use, They know everything. big brother has achieved omniscience etc" *cries | 08:06 |
| eleitl | I'm waiting for the new TBB, it's really faster. | 08:06 |
| @kanzure | uh.. | 08:06 |
| @kanzure | eudoxia: you might have to rethink that strategy | 08:06 |
| eudoxia | i heard they also removed the vidalia control panel/moved it somewhere else | 08:07 |
| eleitl | But in general, it's about system security. Spooks seem to h4x0r systems routinely. | 08:07 |
| eleitl | Yeah, the new TBB is sans Vidalia. | 08:07 |
| eleitl | It seems making systems clean would be a major PITA. | 08:08 |
| eleitl | You have to wipe everything, and reinstall from scratch, plus harden, etc. | 08:09 |
| eleitl | Rekey, and so on. | 08:09 |
| eudoxia | i wonder what distro Snowden used | 08:10 |
| eleitl | probably some internal one | 08:10 |
| eleitl | I expect that spooks use virtualized compartments | 08:11 |
| eudoxia | i mean after he went to HK | 08:11 |
| eleitl | he might have taken his tools with him | 08:11 |
| eudoxia | Tails is a reasonable guess | 08:11 |
| eleitl | amnesis distro on known good hardware is not a bad choice | 08:11 |
| eleitl | amnesic, even | 08:12 |
| ParahSailin | i bet they just use windows and rely on rubber hose cryptography | 08:12 |
| eleitl | the question is how to keep your hardware un0wn3d | 08:12 |
| eleitl | not easy at all | 08:12 |
| ParahSailin | kanzure: is paperbot broken currently? | 08:13 |
| @kanzure | build it yourself. i etch my circuits with my own saliva. or.. something. | 08:13 |
| @kanzure | ParahSailin: yeah.. it seems to be fetching all links again. | 08:13 |
| eleitl | you can bootstrap from next to nothing, but it's a lot of work | 08:13 |
| @kanzure | good thing we're all super paranoid | 08:14 |
| @kanzure | otherwise we might get lazy huh | 08:14 |
| gradstudentbot | We simply don't do enough titrations in my lab. | 08:14 |
| eleitl | gravimetry it's where it's at | 08:15 |
| eleitl | calcinate the living shit out of your precipitate | 08:15 |
| @kanzure | gradstudentbot: are you going to read that paper? | 08:15 |
| gradstudentbot | I think I'd like to try to write the paper myself. | 08:15 |
| eudoxia | hahahaah | 08:15 |
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| eleitl | eudoxia, do you sense trouble brewing in Argentina again? | 08:16 |
| ParahSailin | kanzure: pushed to kanzure master | 08:16 |
| @kanzure | ParahSailin: i would prefer if you would continue to make pull requests in general | 08:16 |
| @kanzure | ParahSailin: it's okay this time, i don't care /that/ much | 08:16 |
| @kanzure | ParahSailin: but if i am being lame and not doing anything, feel free to push to master of course | 08:17 |
| ParahSailin | oh, ok | 08:17 |
| eleitl | http://forexmagnates.com/bitcoins-soar-in-value-in-argentina-due-to-capital-control-laws-bitcoin-meetup-held-in-nations-capital/ | 08:17 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/218baa64633d8a2030d1caac8014b8e6.txt | 08:17 |
| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/paperbot/commit/?id=ce7355f8 rcallahan: Another verbose and explicit check | 08:17 |
| gnusha | paperbot: reload papers | 08:17 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/393162fb4336f452025551ddd52de274.txt | 08:17 |
| paperbot | gnusha: <module 'papers' from '/srv/ikiwiki/paperbot/modules/papers.py'> (version: 2013-07-09 15:17:48) | 08:17 |
| @kanzure | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/paperbot/commit/?id=ce7355f8 | 08:17 |
| @kanzure | hooray | 08:17 |
| ParahSailin | only did this way because its kind of negligent emergency | 08:18 |
| @kanzure | your wife is a negligent emergency? | 08:18 |
| @kanzure | whatever man :) | 08:18 |
| ParahSailin | heh, no, leaving it in broken state | 08:18 |
| @kanzure | thanks | 08:18 |
| ParahSailin | we passed her green card interview this morning | 08:18 |
| @kanzure | what step of the process is that? | 08:18 |
| ParahSailin | thats why i was pretty distracted yesterday | 08:18 |
| ParahSailin | near the end | 08:18 |
| ParahSailin | should be receiving the green card in a couple weeks or so | 08:19 |
| eleitl | I think I should apply for a second passport | 08:20 |
| eleitl | can come useful | 08:20 |
| ParahSailin | african diplomatic passports are expensive these days | 08:20 |
| eleitl | there are some ways to buy nationality, but I actually can get a second one legally | 08:20 |
| ParahSailin | eu countries often do make it easy for dual citizenship | 08:21 |
| eudoxia | eleitl: well i've been saying argentina is a time bomb that's gonna blow up any day now since i was like 15 so whether i sense trouble brewing or not is not too important | 08:21 |
| eleitl | yeah, EU passport, and a second nationality, just in case EU goes to shit | 08:21 |
| ParahSailin | hows uruguay | 08:21 |
| eleitl | uruguay will get a cold if Argentina sneezes | 08:22 |
| ParahSailin | i hear there's lots of cows or sheep there | 08:22 |
| eudoxia | eleitl: but i'm glad bitcoin is doing what it was meant to do | 08:22 |
| eleitl | :) | 08:22 |
| eudoxia | there are plenty of cows and some sheep | 08:22 |
| ParahSailin | one of my employer's clients is someone in uy | 08:23 |
| ParahSailin | its either sheep or cattle genotyping | 08:23 |
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| gradstudentbot | Yeah, it's the new grad student's fault. | 08:24 |
| adillian | @kanzure: learning programming (slowly), want to learn electronics, know some biology and chemistry, want to built stuff. Also want to optimize myself first | 08:31 |
| @kanzure | pre-mature optimization | 08:32 |
| eleitl | How do you intend to optimize yourself? | 08:32 |
| adillian | yes! pre-mature optimization is what I do a lot of | 08:32 |
| adillian | rationality (lesswrong.com) and heuristics and cognition | 08:32 |
| eleitl | Eat well, sleep well, take nootropics. | 08:32 |
| adillian | and organizing everything | 08:32 |
| @kanzure | adillian: please don't bring lesswrong in here | 08:32 |
| adillian | and akrasia.. | 08:32 |
| @kanzure | and don't bring "akrasia" in here | 08:32 |
| adillian | sorry | 08:32 |
| @kanzure | there's #lesswrong for that self-wallowing misery | 08:33 |
| adillian | lol ok, common topics or just annying? | 08:33 |
| adillian | ah yeah I'm in there too | 08:33 |
| @kanzure | unproductive crap | 08:33 |
| gradstudentbot | The lab meeting was cancelled. | 08:33 |
| adillian | how are you productive then? or is that too close a topic? | 08:33 |
| @kanzure | drugs | 08:33 |
| eleitl | heh | 08:33 |
| @kanzure | eleitl: hey at least i'm honest | 08:33 |
| @kanzure | eleitl: although it's not completely drugs | 08:33 |
| eleitl | I'm quite happy with my current supplement stack. | 08:34 |
| eleitl | Also, less alcohol. | 08:34 |
| ParahSailin | aubrey's supplement stack is pretty amazing | 08:35 |
| adillian | but alcohol and bad food is what keeps me going | 08:35 |
| eleitl | alcohol fucks up your REM sleep | 08:35 |
| eleitl | long-term, it fucks up everything | 08:35 |
| eleitl | adillian, if you're young, you'll survive | 08:36 |
| eleitl | if you get older, you'll have to change things, or suffer the consequences | 08:36 |
| @kanzure | adillian: also, in general if you keep busy people around, you'll get busy yourself, so just pick better friends or w/e | 08:37 |
| eudoxia | >[Bitcoin] is demonstrating itself to be more stable than the [Argentinian] Peso | 08:38 |
| eudoxia | well i think this says a lot | 08:38 |
| eleitl | kragen sitaker is in buenos aires, but he doesn't seem to be doing much these days | 08:39 |
| ParahSailin | ARS looks like value has fluctuated less than 50% in the last 3 years | 08:39 |
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| eleitl | a problem is keeping flows balanced | 08:42 |
| eleitl | you need to run an export business in order to not having to rebalance your accounts periodically, which is expensive | 08:42 |
| ParahSailin | i think argentina has bigger underlying problems than macroeconomic manifestations | 08:44 |
| eleitl | could be just mismanagement | 08:45 |
| eleitl | they should be standing as badly as they do | 08:45 |
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| eleitl | btw kanzure, I've been making a mirror of your site for last 5 days | 08:47 |
| eleitl | just in case you were wondering | 08:47 |
| @kanzure | i was not | 08:51 |
| @kanzure | seems sorta slow though | 08:51 |
| eleitl | it goes with about 25 kByte/s | 08:51 |
| eleitl | 12 GByte so far | 08:51 |
| ParahSailin | use a bigger hose | 08:52 |
| gradstudentbot | I hear you make more money being a garbage man. | 08:52 |
| eleitl | the download is either throttled, or it's I/O-limited on kanzure's side | 08:53 |
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| delinquentme | bureaucracy | 08:57 |
| delinquentme | good time | 08:57 |
| ParahSailin | kanzure: so pywebkitgtk is the best one out of ghost.py and all the others? | 08:57 |
| @kanzure | well | 09:19 |
| @kanzure | phantomjs is currently the "best" because it's actually headless, doesn't require xorg | 09:20 |
| @kanzure | for most-up-to-date, webkitgtk+ is the right solution because it can be compiled upstream and it's maintained | 09:20 |
| @kanzure | but webkitgtk+ requires x11/xorg | 09:20 |
| @kanzure | slimerjs might be okay eventually, but right now it requires xorg to run gecko (firefox) | 09:21 |
| @kanzure | ghost.py is really behind the times because its author thinks it needs xvfb (but this isn't entirely true.. it could use xserver-xorg-video-dummy). | 09:21 |
| @kanzure | webkitgtk+ is in most package repositories (but the version might be old) | 09:23 |
| @kanzure | but that's good enough for testing in most cases | 09:23 |
| @kanzure | here's a really simple webkitgtk+ thing i do in python, http://paste.debian.net/15181/ | 09:23 |
| @kanzure | run it with.. | 09:23 |
| @kanzure | LD_LIBRARY_PATH=`pwd`:/home/kanzure/local/qt/WebKit/WebKitBuild/Dependencies/Root/lib64/ strace python sample.py http://github.com/kanzure | 09:23 |
| @kanzure | (if you want to use your compiled version of webkitgtk+ as opposed to the girepository version provided by your local friendly package manager) | 09:24 |
| ParahSailin | so phantomjs, not pyphantomjs right? | 09:25 |
| @kanzure | correct. | 09:26 |
| @kanzure | pyphantomjs is very old and not maintained, sadly. it's a python rewrite of phantomjs. also it happens to require x11 because it was a rewrite of phantomjs from before phantomjs became actually headless. | 09:27 |
| delinquentme | Does anyone know how long outside of the body the lung-on-a-chip maintained its cells homeostasis? | 09:28 |
| ParahSailin | couple days probably? | 09:28 |
| @kanzure | phantomjs is based on qtwebkit from qt 4.8 from 2012. but qt 4.8 had an old version of qtwebkit at that time. and qtwebkit had an old version of webkit at that time. so as you can imagine, phantomjs has a rather old web browser engine inside of it. most HTML5 things don't work. | 09:28 |
| @kanzure | oh wait maybe qt 4.8 was 2011. | 09:29 |
| @kanzure | bkero: are you around? | 09:29 |
| bkero | kanzure: hi | 09:31 |
| @kanzure | bkero: could you do the transfer now? | 09:31 |
| @kanzure | or are you busy? | 09:31 |
| bkero | kanzure: I'll need to sort some work stuff, put clothes on, and go downstairs | 09:32 |
| bkero | I woke up around 12 minutes ago | 09:32 |
| @kanzure | can you transfer the coins first, and then i'll cover your loss if my person doesn't pay? | 09:32 |
| @kanzure | i expect payment will be something like 30-60 minutes | 09:33 |
| bkero | I think you'll be good for it, ok. | 09:34 |
| bkero | How many coins did you want? | 09:34 |
| gradstudentbot | I haven't written the abstract. | 09:34 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, pm | 09:35 |
| @kanzure | bkero: one sec. haggling. | 09:35 |
| @kanzure | bkero: let's say $380 USD for 5 btc? | 09:37 |
| bkero | kanzure: okay | 09:37 |
| @kanzure | bkero: can you pm me your account? | 09:37 |
| @kanzure | thank you sir | 09:39 |
| @kanzure | i'll probably buy in the near future, except for myself | 09:39 |
| @kanzure | delinquentme: i don't see any pm | 09:44 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, I think I sorted it out | 09:47 |
| delinquentme | I needed a big O representation for a marketing email :D | 09:47 |
| delinquentme | deets to come I might have a cool easy project | 09:48 |
| delinquentme | also! when do you leave SJ? | 09:48 |
| @kanzure | i'm already gone | 09:48 |
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| delinquentme | KANZ I HATE | 09:54 |
| delinquentme | Y U NO | 09:54 |
| delinquentme | BASTID. | 09:55 |
| delinquentme | </3 | 09:55 |
| * delinquentme le weeps | 09:55 | |
| delinquentme | maybe I should just write a research paper on dis | 09:55 |
| delinquentme | open saurce dat staf | 09:55 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, talk to me about the pip publishign process | 09:55 |
| delinquentme | is it easy? | 09:55 |
| delinquentme | does anyone check for malicious axion? | 09:56 |
| @kanzure | look at how i do it in pdfparanoia/Makefile | 09:56 |
| @kanzure | the target you want to look at is "upload" | 09:57 |
| @kanzure | i don't think it checks for malware | 09:57 |
| eleitl | libgen might have malware | 09:57 |
| ParahSailin | diyhpl.us might have malware | 09:58 |
| * eleitl afks --> $home | 09:58 | |
| ParahSailin | i think its an omen of something that rubyforge is down right when i need to install ruby gem | 09:59 |
| @kanzure | gemfury | 10:01 |
| ParahSailin | well i need to install vagrant for something and i dont have root to do rpm | 10:02 |
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| ParahSailin | i guess rpm2cpio | 10:04 |
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| EnLilaSko | paperbot: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ptr.5025/abstract;jsessionid=5CAE688A62FA7E5FE5E994B157FC8A81.d02t03 | 10:26 |
| @kanzure | and now we wait | 10:26 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/4d3d343b685188ce50520c7f0474d807.txt | 10:26 |
| ParahSailin | you can be sure that there was no way it was gonna get that | 10:27 |
| @kanzure | paperbot: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/store/10.1002/ptr.5025/asset/ptr5025.pdf | 10:27 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/b8f5510ef7aee90286cf607942ec950b.txt | 10:27 |
| @kanzure | paperbot: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/store/10.1002/ptr.5025/asset/ptr5025.pdf?v=1&t=hixdfaig&s=3704672441418a1d7c48148980d7e3ab647c4f90 | 10:27 |
| @kanzure | oh wait | 10:27 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/87e0ca2973c247fad735f2f21578e8e9.pdf | 10:27 |
| @kanzure | wtf | 10:27 |
| EnLilaSko | "Early view" = can't get? | 10:27 |
| ParahSailin | was that a translator fault or a my fault | 10:28 |
| @kanzure | why did that work? the ampersands were totally borked. | 10:28 |
| @kanzure | i guess v=1 was what it needed passed on the pdf url | 10:28 |
| ParahSailin | paperbot: http://dx.doi.org/10.1002/ptr.5025 | 10:28 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/8f5cf5a1508a21d04cd69e6d70dac8be.pdf | 10:28 |
| @kanzure | looks like the same pdf to me | 10:29 |
| ParahSailin | i agree, we need more logging for debugging purposes | 10:29 |
| @kanzure | logging seems dangerous | 10:30 |
| @kanzure | maybe just a small http server (bottle or flask) on a port, and we can watch the log before it gets thrown away | 10:30 |
| ParahSailin | why do you think that first attempt failed? translator issue? | 10:32 |
| ParahSailin | half my time is spent on installing shit-- package managers bla bla bla | 10:35 |
| ParahSailin | pip install requests; fail | 10:35 |
| @kanzure | pip-2.7 install requests | 10:38 |
| @kanzure | i think the first one failed because of the jsessionid maybe | 10:40 |
| @kanzure | paperbot: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ptr.5025/abstract | 10:40 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/49cc12e04f93a5e3e5b020a175917847.pdf | 10:40 |
| @kanzure | paperbot: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ptr.5025/abstract;jsessionid=1 | 10:40 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/c617fec2dede5dd9353df5dc12e465d9.pdf | 10:40 |
| ParahSailin | im surprised it doesnt get a doi out of it and upload to libgen | 10:40 |
| @kanzure | paperbot: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ptr.5025/abstract;jsessionid=5CAE688A62FA7E5FE5E994B157FC8A81.d02t03 | 10:40 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/9fb2113d9b2f8019cd51d3daa0c6df07.pdf | 10:40 |
| @kanzure | well now i'm really confused | 10:40 |
| @kanzure | i do not like non-deterministic behavior | 10:40 |
| ParahSailin | sci-hub can be non-deterministic, it uses a different proxy each time | 10:41 |
| @kanzure | i don't think it used scihub | 10:41 |
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| @kanzure | maybe i should just run paperbot through mitmproxy constantly | 10:41 |
| ParahSailin | probably not | 10:41 |
| @kanzure | this would be easier to debug if there weren't really low limits on all outgoing requests | 10:46 |
| ParahSailin | pm | 10:48 |
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| @kanzure | responded | 10:52 |
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| ParahSailin | its quite bizarre how phenny modules work-- you register functions with the main loop by setting the commands attribute of functions in a module? | 11:01 |
| @kanzure | phenny is actually pretty old | 11:02 |
| @kanzure | i think sbp has written like 2 other irc bot frameworks in the mean time | 11:02 |
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| ParahSailin | i think phenny.msg("#derp", "hodor") should work | 11:04 |
| @kanzure | i am busy writing other code at the moment so either bug report or pull request and i'll get to it soon | 11:05 |
| ParahSailin | i wouldnt mind going to all js so that there's a single environment integrated with phantomjs | 11:05 |
| @kanzure | it's not a single environment actually | 11:05 |
| @kanzure | there's two javascript environments in phantomjs | 11:05 |
| @kanzure | one is for the outside context (the phantomjs client software) | 11:06 |
| @kanzure | the other is inside each page which gets a fresh js context | 11:06 |
| @kanzure | if you want to go with phantomjs then i suggest looking at how i structure phantomjs client modules | 11:14 |
| @kanzure | https://github.com/kanzure/phantomjs-test-provisions | 11:14 |
| ParahSailin | i tried to push that to mine, but it did it to yours instead | 11:21 |
| @kanzure | git remote -vvv | 11:23 |
| ParahSailin | ok next time ill push to mine again | 11:23 |
| @kanzure | you can be explicit about it | 11:23 |
| @kanzure | git remote rm origin | 11:23 |
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| @kanzure | git remote add kanzure git@github.com:kanzure/paperbot.git | 11:23 |
| @kanzure | git remote add github git@github.com:rcallahan/paperbot.git | 11:23 |
| @kanzure | git push github; git fetch kanzure; ... etc.. | 11:23 |
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| @kanzure | ParahSailin: ssh newuser@diyhpl.us then tell me your username and i'll add you to paperbot.git on the server | 11:27 |
| @kanzure | then you will do: git remote add diyhplus rcallahan@diyhpl.us:/srv/git/paperbot.git master | 11:27 |
| @kanzure | and to make paperbot reload you do: git push diyhplus master:master | 11:27 |
| ParahSailin | ok, created user rcallahan | 11:32 |
| @kanzure | access granted | 11:33 |
| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/paperbot/commit/?id=a5cbff87 rcallahan: Logging | 11:35 |
| gnusha | paperbot: reload papers | 11:35 |
| paperbot | gnusha: <module 'papers' from '/srv/ikiwiki/paperbot/modules/papers.py'> (version: 2013-07-09 18:35:18) | 11:35 |
| ParahSailin | youll need to restart with LOGGING sysenv set | 11:35 |
| @kanzure | set it to what? | 11:37 |
| ParahSailin | the secret channel, not including # | 11:37 |
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| heath | i'm having second thoughts on writing a dsl to specify the operation rules, constraints, and possible results of genetic circuits | 11:38 |
| heath | https://gist.github.com/heath/ce3958034a10bcb2fe68 | 11:38 |
| @kanzure | genetic circuits aren't a language | 11:38 |
| @kanzure | wrong mental model | 11:38 |
| heath | josiah zayner has some good points, and i'm guessing what kanzure is about to say is valid as weell | 11:38 |
| @kanzure | i'm p. sure that guy is a troll | 11:39 |
| @kanzure | he's the "Come back when you have a PhD" troll | 11:39 |
| heath | *boo* *hiss* | 11:40 |
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| heath | i think whipping out a web-based synbio platform in a month is a little over the top, but replicating cadnano's functionality is doable | 11:40 |
| heath | but i like the idea of building stuff using a text editor instead of clicking around | 11:41 |
| @kanzure | why would you make a web based platform :( | 11:42 |
| @kanzure | tons of people have done that and they are all terrible and evil | 11:42 |
| @kanzure | specifically, in the domain of bioinformatics and genetic engineering | 11:43 |
| @kanzure | have you considered talking with some bio people and asking them what their actual problems are? | 11:43 |
| heath | yep, first thing i _thought_ about without actually doing | 11:44 |
| heath | a web platform is nice, i'm more inclined to use software that is web-based as long as its main source is available | 11:44 |
| heath | e.g. gitorious | 11:44 |
| @kanzure | you have no reasonable explanation for why it is "nice" | 11:44 |
| @kanzure | i'm here to tell you that working with multi-gigabyte genomes in a browser is *not* nice | 11:45 |
| heath | it's accessible from any device | 11:45 |
| @kanzure | so is ssh, fuck off | 11:45 |
| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/paperbot/commit/?id=a62f60c8 rcallahan: Log function scoping | 11:45 |
| gnusha | paperbot: reload papers | 11:45 |
| paperbot | gnusha: <module 'papers' from '/srv/ikiwiki/paperbot/modules/papers.py'> (version: 2013-07-09 18:45:35) | 11:45 |
| heath | if you want to work with multi-gigabyte genomes, don't load it all at once, just like you would do on a desktop/laptop | 11:47 |
| @kanzure | i still don't see why i have to use a browser, wah | 11:47 |
| @kanzure | i write web apps all day and night, so it's not like i'm unaware of how it would work | 11:47 |
| @kanzure | i know exactly how it would work and i'm failing to see the benefit to me | 11:47 |
| heath | oh, also there's web-rtc which makes it relatively simple to make your app 'collaborative', i.e. chat/audio/video messaging | 11:48 |
| @kanzure | here are the actual problems i've encountered: it takes too many weeks to try out a genome, ordering dna takes too long, my primers are wrong, my plasmids are wrong, my plasmids cost too much, my reagents cost too much, nobody knows how to debug my gels, everyone keeps making awful websites that i have to scrape because they are poor programmers | 11:48 |
| heath | i don't know of anyone in this community that makes web apps, except for one guy | 11:49 |
| heath | j5 is the other web app | 11:49 |
| ParahSailin | i think genome compiler is a quality piece of software | 11:49 |
| @kanzure | you're not paying attention then | 11:49 |
| heath | so 2 people | 11:49 |
| @kanzure | i'm not the only other one | 11:49 |
| @kanzure | nmz787, cathal, myself, ParahSailin, those mozilla/synbio assholes, those genome compiler jerks, the clotho people, almost every igem team ever, that kid from ucla | 11:50 |
| @kanzure | but yeah let's just assume that our friends are idiots | 11:51 |
| @kanzure | that'll help.. | 11:51 |
| heath | oh, and there's genocad | 11:51 |
| @kanzure | also nathan h's company, that i can't remember at the moment | 11:51 |
| heath | ParahSailin: are you joking? <-- not a cut at you, just can't tell with irc. i imagine nobody actually uses genome compiler for any lab work, it doesn't seem practical | 11:51 |
| @kanzure | oh yeah, that's the last thing i want to be using in a lab setting.. adobe air. wtf. | 11:52 |
| @kanzure | yeah i want my genome pipeline to be like adobe flash: riddled with security flaws | 11:52 |
| heath | kanzure: "so 2 people", that was meant to say i could think 2 projects, sorry for the confusion | 11:53 |
| heath | regardless of adobe air, what use would it be in the lab? | 11:53 |
| ParahSailin | heh, yeah that was a troll | 11:54 |
| @kanzure | i think it does codon optimization, but who cares. i think cathal's python library does better codon optimization already. | 11:54 |
| ParahSailin | paperbot: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/9781118523728.ch5/summary | 11:55 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/9a5d38d92897ccabee2aeec893171cf3.txt | 11:55 |
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| @kanzure | "I had to disconnect China fro Sci-Hub" | 12:23 |
| @kanzure | "too much user" | 12:23 |
| @kanzure | http://bbs.techyou.org/ | 12:25 |
| ParahSailin | lol | 12:26 |
| @kanzure | http://boxuesky.com/ | 12:29 |
| ParahSailin | blog study sky | 12:30 |
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| heathjs | does anyone know anything about this guy? http://www.ted.com/profiles/956259 | 13:42 |
| heathjs | https://github.com/Leukippos?tab=repositories | 13:42 |
| heathjs | https://twitter.com/Socrates_Logos | 13:43 |
| heathjs | </stalk> | 13:43 |
| heathjs | http://www.cds.caltech.edu/~murray/wiki/index.php/Biomolecular_Breadboards_for_Prototyping_and_Debugging_Synthetic_Biocircuits | 13:44 |
| heathjs | that's not from gerd moe-behrens, just another example where all funding for synbio seems to be from gov grants | 13:45 |
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| heath | http://www.diysect.com/ | 15:16 |
| heath | http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/260055886/diysect-filming-biotinkering-for-the-web | 15:17 |
| heath | eri gentry | 15:17 |
| @kanzure | please don't | 15:17 |
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| heath | oh, i thought she said eri, it's "mary" | 15:18 |
| @kanzure | may tsang | 15:19 |
| @kanzure | that's not eri | 15:19 |
| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/paperbot/commit/?id=1cafc6c2 rcallahan: Variable name | 15:19 |
| gnusha | paperbot: reload papers | 15:19 |
| paperbot | gnusha: <module 'papers' from '/srv/ikiwiki/paperbot/modules/papers.py'> (version: 2013-07-09 18:45:35) | 15:19 |
| @kanzure | ParahSailin: yo dawg write better commit messages | 15:19 |
| @kanzure | ParahSailin: "git log" to see my beautiful shakespearean commits | 15:20 |
| nmz787_ | need javascript help http://jsfiddle.net/ds9s7/109/ | 15:20 |
| nmz787_ | why is minMaxWindow not defined? | 15:20 |
| @kanzure | where do you see the error? | 15:21 |
| nmz787_ | chrome inspector | 15:22 |
| ParahSailin | dont we have jquery for stuff like document.getElementById | 15:22 |
| nmz787_ | can't call it manually | 15:22 |
| @kanzure | ParahSailin: yeah, but jquery is useful for other things really | 15:22 |
| nmz787_ | trying to make it fire on the middle maximise window button | 15:22 |
| nmz787_ | no jquery allowed for this | 15:22 |
| @kanzure | ParahSailin: by default modern browsers give you the $() selector, jquery is for everything else | 15:22 |
| @kanzure | nmz787_: you should consider using requirejs to bundle all of your dependencies into the same page | 15:22 |
| nmz787_ | nope | 15:23 |
| nmz787_ | no libs allowed | 15:23 |
| @kanzure | nmz787_: also if this is your attempt to run a vm in a browser, you should use the qemu's guy jslinux | 15:23 |
| nmz787_ | nope | 15:23 |
| nmz787_ | this is a test | 15:23 |
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| @kanzure | why are no libraries allowed? | 15:23 |
| @kanzure | libraries are what makes the world go round | 15:23 |
| nmz787_ | req of the test | 15:23 |
| @kanzure | if you don't like extra files, you can just use requirejs | 15:23 |
| @kanzure | and you shouldn't work anywhere that doesn't let you use libraries | 15:24 |
| nmz787_ | no dude, this isn't any problem with libs | 15:25 |
| nmz787_ | how can you immediately divert to that as any sane answer? | 15:25 |
| @kanzure | nmz787_: window.minMaxWindow = minMaxWindow | 15:26 |
| nmz787_ | seems like a scope issue from what I can tell | 15:26 |
| @kanzure | you are losing your scope and basically minMaxWindow is not defined | 15:26 |
| nmz787_ | where would I set that line | 15:26 |
| @kanzure | somewhere after you have defined the function | 15:26 |
| @kanzure | also i would add a semicolon at the end just because i am pedantic | 15:26 |
| @kanzure | window.minMaxWindow = minMaxWindow; | 15:26 |
| gradstudentbot | I hope they kick me out. | 15:26 |
| nmz787_ | yup | 15:27 |
| nmz787_ | that did it | 15:27 |
| @kanzure | and then if you still experience trouble change the onClick handler to be window.minMaxWindow() | 15:27 |
| nmz787_ | ahh | 15:28 |
| @kanzure | by default your click handlers have to be on the global scope | 15:28 |
| @kanzure | unless you set the event handler inside your closure/scope when minMaxWindow has been defined | 15:28 |
| @kanzure | and then if you still experience trouble change the onClick handler to be window.minMaxWindow() | 15:28 |
| @kanzure | oops | 15:28 |
| @kanzure | i meant to send a different line instead of "and then if".. | 15:28 |
| @kanzure | in this case we're just cheating and adding it to window, which is a global | 15:28 |
| @kanzure | people who write good javascript will probably not like the fact that you're using window as a global, but it's too much effort for me to describe the alternative :P | 15:29 |
| @kanzure | i wonder if jsfiddle is putting your js into an ondocumentready call | 15:30 |
| @kanzure | because if that's the case then you could just set the element's handler in your javascript just after you define the function | 15:31 |
| @kanzure | and pass a reference to the function there | 15:31 |
| @kanzure | instead of using the window global | 15:31 |
| @kanzure | *ondocumentready callback | 15:31 |
| ParahSailin | i thought everything you defined on the top level was implicitly attr of window | 15:34 |
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| @kanzure | ParahSailin: not if jsfiddle is putting your javascript into a closure | 15:35 |
| ParahSailin | crazy fun | 15:35 |
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| ParahSailin | ah, window.onload = function() {important business} | 15:37 |
| @kanzure | ParahSailin: could you add the LOGGING and SCIHUB_PASSWORD environment variables to paperbot/README.md please? | 15:37 |
| @kanzure | onload is different i think | 15:37 |
| @kanzure | "The ready event occurs after the HTML document has been loaded, while the onload event occurs later, when all content (e.g. images) also has been loaded." | 15:37 |
| @kanzure | "The onload event is a standard event in the DOM, while the ready event is specific to jQuery. The purpose of the ready event is that it should occur as early as possible after the document has loaded, so that code that adds funcionality to the elements in the page doesn't have to wait for all content to load." | 15:37 |
| ParahSailin | well thats the closure jsfiddle does to the business you put in the js box | 15:40 |
| @kanzure | sure | 15:40 |
| @kanzure | in general you should use closures | 15:40 |
| @kanzure | instead of making everything a global | 15:40 |
| @kanzure | and in my fantasy world, everyone knows how to write commonjs-compliant javascript | 15:40 |
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| heath | nmz787_: was afk | 16:08 |
| heath | window.minMaxWindow = function() {... | 16:08 |
| heath | but then you're on the global scope | 16:08 |
| heath | but then it looks like you already are operating ont the global scope, so... :) | 16:10 |
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| heath | which again raises your original question, hrm. | 16:14 |
| @kanzure | there was nothing else being used like that | 16:15 |
| @kanzure | so of course he would ask that question | 16:15 |
| @kanzure | see? | 16:15 |
| nmz787_ | so this almost works http://jsfiddle.net/ds9s7/141/ | 16:18 |
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| nmz787_ | http://fiddle.jshell.net/ds9s7/146/show/ | 16:35 |
| nmz787_ | feast your heart out | 16:35 |
| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/paperbot/commit/?id=13a4599a U-ACORNSYS\pwang: Added environment variables to readme; changed tr variable name to shu in scihub.py | 16:41 |
| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/paperbot/commit/?id=3e4754e6 U-ACORNSYS\pwang: Merge branch 'master' of https://github.com/rcallahan/paperbot | 16:41 |
| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/paperbot/commit/?id=450c7ef7 U-ACORNSYS\pwang: Merge branch 'master' of diyhpl.us:/srv/git/paperbot | 16:41 |
| gnusha | paperbot: reload papers | 16:41 |
| paperbot | gnusha: <module 'papers' from '/srv/ikiwiki/paperbot/modules/papers.py'> (version: 2013-07-09 18:45:35) | 16:42 |
| @kanzure | ParahSailin: you sure do like your short variable names | 16:42 |
| @kanzure | and merging | 16:42 |
| nmz787_ | huh, so this is what addgene runs https://github.com/okws/okws | 16:43 |
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| ParaSa1lin | variable names proportional to the lines in scope | 16:47 |
| nmz787_ | heath: what's up? | 16:49 |
| nmz787_ | kanzure: I actually haven't look at genome compiler pretty much since they first came public | 16:49 |
| nmz787_ | kanzure: but I've heard it uses some adobe product, which seems wholly over the top | 16:50 |
| @kanzure | adobe air | 16:50 |
| @kanzure | it's like flash except worse | 16:50 |
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| nmz787_ | yeah, so after I heard that I didn't consider it a realistic option | 16:51 |
| nmz787_ | but I guess a lot of adobe products make $$$ so maybe they're onto something? | 16:52 |
| nmz787_ | especially given how much avg joe biologist sucks at using a computer | 16:52 |
| @kanzure | when i pull paperbot.git from diyhpl.us i don't see the two merge commits | 16:52 |
| @kanzure | where did they go? | 16:52 |
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| heath | nmz787_: heyo | 16:58 |
| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/paperbot/commit/?id=c25b3148 U-ACORNSYS\pwang: Correct doi in libgen | 16:59 |
| gnusha | paperbot: reload papers | 16:59 |
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| ParaSa1lin | paperbot, http://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlelanding/2011/nr/c1nr10681c | 17:16 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/A%20transparent%20hybrid%20of%20nanocrystalline%20cellulose%20and%20amorphous%20calcium%20carbonate%20nanoparticles.pdf | 17:16 |
| nmz787_ | heath: sup | 17:18 |
| heath | hola | 17:18 |
| nmz787_ | heath: i posted an article to diybio recently outlining computer-like biologic functions | 17:19 |
| gradstudentbot | Grant submitted. | 17:19 |
| nmz787_ | or things in biologics that could be used like computer parts | 17:19 |
| heath | someone published a nand 2 years ago, not sure why someone didn't use that to build out all the other gates | 17:21 |
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| heath | not saying it's illogical, just didn't know why | 17:22 |
| heath | nmz787_: i'll look for it | 17:22 |
| heath | your email that is | 17:22 |
| nmz787_ | heath: because they're all super slow to actuate and reset | 17:26 |
| heath | nmz787_: what are you working on these days? | 17:44 |
| heath | nmz787_: oh, you're referring to "The biological microprocessor, or how to build a computer with biological parts" | 17:44 |
| heath | i sent an email to the author this morning about that | 17:44 |
| heath | kind of curious what he has a Ph.D. in, I can't really find this anywhere, it could be underwater basket weaving for all I know | 17:45 |
| nmz787_ | yes | 17:45 |
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| nmz787_ | lately i've been contemplating low-noise analog sampling in mixed-signal circuitry | 17:46 |
| brownies | people always joke about that, but i feel like weaving baskets underwater would not be the easiest thing in the world | 17:46 |
| nmz787_ | I took a basket weaving class when i was probably 12 the one time i went to boy scout camp | 17:46 |
| nmz787_ | the one year i tried that out | 17:47 |
| @kanzure | heath: you should read this thread, https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/diybio/GxRTESzUWUI/b68eQEeluisJ | 17:48 |
| @kanzure | heath: in particular, read at least until the parts where i spoke up or anselm wrote words | 17:48 |
| @kanzure | oh i mean my second email, not the first one. don't stop there. | 17:49 |
| @kanzure | "... there is no source, the bytecode has multiple reentrent abstractions, is unstable and has a very low signal to noise ratio, the runtime is unbootstrappable, the execution is nondeterministic, it tries to randomly integrate and execute code from other computers... multiple reentrant and self-modifying abstractions. absolutely everything has subtle side effects." | 17:49 |
| heath | thanks kanzure | 17:52 |
| nmz787_ | kanzure: that was specifically in relation to DNA though, I think | 17:52 |
| nmz787_ | the article i mentioned covers lots of levels of the cell | 17:52 |
| @fenn | brownies: only the basket is underwater, it's not like underwater hockey | 17:53 |
| nmz787_ | i.e. DNA mechanisms, protein mechanisms, rna | 17:53 |
| nmz787_ | isolated from the whole system | 17:53 |
| brownies | fenn: oh really? that's much more boring. | 17:57 |
| @fenn | Grand Master Turing once dreamed that he was a machine. When he awoke he exclaimed: | 17:59 |
| @fenn | ``I don't know whether I am Turing dreaming that I am a machine, or a machine dreaming that I am Turing!'' | 17:59 |
| @fenn | that's one for gradstudentbot | 18:00 |
| gradstudentbot | The protocol is wrong. | 18:00 |
| heath | .meow | 18:04 |
| yoleaux | http://moar.edgecats.net/cats/tumblr_m3wxox7WOs1rows1to1_400.gif | 18:04 |
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| nmz787_ | how do i grep all subdirs for a string ".port" | 18:45 |
| nmz787_ | it wont seem to escape with slashes | 18:45 |
| nmz787_ | and the dot is being a wildcard | 18:45 |
| @kanzure | try \Wport or \Bport | 18:46 |
| nmz787_ | nada | 18:47 |
| nmz787_ | i actually want to search for the period | 18:47 |
| nmz787_ | -F with no escaping works | 18:49 |
| nmz787_ | oh | 18:49 |
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| nmz787_ | i'm dumb \. was working, but highlighting wasn't | 18:49 |
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| nmz787_ | so i quickly assumed it wasnt working | 18:49 |
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| heath | nmz787_: \. | 19:34 |
| heath | oh, maybe i should have continued reading | 19:34 |
| heath | http://moar.edgecats.net/cats/tumblr_m3wxox7WOs1rows1to1_400.gif | 19:34 |
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| brownies | .meow | 20:05 |
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| jonathan_ | man biologists take the cake in terms of uber nerdiness | 21:29 |
| jonathan_ | what other type of nerd enjoys long conversations about how *bad* something smells | 21:29 |
| yashgaroth | we have 400L open tanks of lysed e.coli in the lab every week, people average about an hour bitching about it | 21:31 |
| yashgaroth | also who threw all babak's shit into the trash | 21:31 |
| jonathan_ | umm I told em you did it | 21:32 |
| yashgaroth | oh noooo | 21:32 |
| jonathan_ | j/k. i dunno anything about it just saw the emails | 21:32 |
| jonathan_ | dude needs to grow up I think, if he believes anything in the lab is safe or guaranteed at all | 21:33 |
| jonathan_ | I cant even seem to convince anyone to keep the microwave in one location and plugged in | 21:33 |
| jonathan_ | but hey, we can have long convos about how incredibly bad some bio product smells eh | 21:34 |
| @kanzure | bunch of pussies | 21:34 |
| jonathan_ | bryan i'll fwd you the emails | 21:34 |
| yashgaroth | is this smell issue related to something at the lab | 21:34 |
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| jonathan_ | smell, no.. a bio guy this eve kept telling me all about some chemical that smells "like the strongest toe-jam ever" as if I knew what that meant and smelled my own toejam frequently? meanwhile i'm trying to work and get out of there.. | 21:36 |
| jonathan_ | obviously ppl with too much free time | 21:36 |
| @kanzure | jonathan_: so, why not a lab based around consulting | 21:36 |
| @kanzure | jonathan_: and then let people come in to do projects based on proposals or w/e for free, instead of membership fees, if you happen to like their projects (educational, tutorials, or actual work stuff) | 21:36 |
| jonathan_ | consulting for what, the smelliest chemical or talking about smelly bio? | 21:37 |
| @kanzure | then the consulting revenue can support the facility | 21:37 |
| @kanzure | i mean CRO work | 21:37 |
| @kanzure | it's how the biotech world spins | 21:37 |
| @kanzure | big bio has forms specifically for paying CROs big piles of money | 21:37 |
| jonathan_ | i'd rather not discuss whatveer the biz model for the lab is... it is no longer my concern | 21:37 |
| @kanzure | this is a thing they happily do | 21:37 |
| @kanzure | okay whatever | 21:37 |
| yashgaroth | he has his 'bucha and he's happy | 21:37 |
| @kanzure | i see | 21:38 |
| jonathan_ | there have been a bunch of consultants come in... (aka unemployed guys) | 21:38 |
| @kanzure | consultant does not mean unemployed | 21:38 |
| jonathan_ | oh, my culture that almost died due to bad lab hrs? | 21:38 |
| @kanzure | if they actively sign contracts at biotech companies, i think that's worth knowing | 21:38 |
| @kanzure | no reason for a lab to not be 24/7 | 21:38 |
| jonathan_ | there is one girl who is a successful consultant/trainer, she is going to def be in the lab, maybe with her own bench | 21:39 |
| @kanzure | what consulting does she do? | 21:39 |
| yashgaroth | who, dana? | 21:39 |
| jonathan_ | surfing | 21:39 |
| @kanzure | what you really want is someone who regularly closes 10k-50k deals with biotech companies. these are super small contracts and shouldn't be hard to do at all. | 21:39 |
| jonathan_ | ask why they would be in that lab at all if there is no supervision there | 21:40 |
| @kanzure | because you shouldn't have members you don't trust | 21:40 |
| @kanzure | what sorta hostile environment is this | 21:41 |
| jonathan_ | Hrrrmmmmm well even qualcomm for example has the exact same problem | 21:41 |
| jonathan_ | "who unplugged my router??? who changed the firewall rules???" | 21:41 |
| @kanzure | that's why you provision your own private firewall/vm/whatever | 21:41 |
| jonathan_ | that is why test network is designed as completely separate from engineering network and corp networks | 21:41 |
| jonathan_ | "who brought the network down with the packet flood test?" | 21:42 |
| @kanzure | that's just poor network design | 21:42 |
| jonathan_ | the point is that even large corps with well paid full time proj managers still has these probs | 21:42 |
| jonathan_ | so now a coop lab won't have these probs? as I was mentioning tonight, no one wants to tell the f'ups to get lost, so problems will happen | 21:43 |
| jonathan_ | or even, no one seems to really want to manage the lab at all | 21:44 |
| @kanzure | we should put gradstudentbot in charge of the lab | 21:44 |
| gradstudentbot | When is he back from sabbatical? | 21:44 |
| jonathan_ | where's the white board or etc with stuff work lists? none? | 21:44 |
| jonathan_ | anyways it was bound to happen just a matter of time | 21:46 |
| jonathan_ | btw max, richard wants a write up of our project, so he can post to the web | 21:47 |
| yashgaroth | oh yeah aight | 21:48 |
| jonathan_ | so do you wanna write something then I can add the electronics part to it then we send it to him | 21:48 |
| jonathan_ | probably just a paragraph | 21:48 |
| yashgaroth | cool | 21:48 |
| jonathan_ | make sure to emphasize how smelly the project is lol | 21:49 |
| jonathan_ | paperbot http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1439-0507.1995.tb00410.x/pdf | 21:50 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag4/10.1111/j.1439-0507.1995.tb00410.x.pdf | 21:50 |
| yashgaroth | disruptively smelly | 21:50 |
| jonathan_ | wow paperbot is like magic! | 21:50 |
| ParaSa1lin | hehe | 21:51 |
| jonathan_ | kombucha is a zooglea btw | 21:51 |
| jonathan_ | that's a great scrabble word | 21:53 |
| @kanzure | that's probably the nerdiest thing you've said in here | 21:56 |
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| nmz787_ | cool | 22:02 |
| nmz787_ | ! | 22:02 |
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| jonathan_ | i wonder if that's a compliment or an insult. | 22:15 |
| jonathan_ | look at how many consultants are signed up for the grand opening.. all there for networking. http://biotechandbeyond.eventbrite.com/ | 22:18 |
| jonathan_ | Hello, Mr. Jeff Cassett, FBI | 22:27 |
| jonathan_ | "Special Agent Jeff Cassett is the Weapons of Mass Destruction Coordinator for the San Diego Division of the FBI." | 22:28 |
| yashgaroth | aww dangit | 22:28 |
| jonathan_ | "Special Agent Cassett has held this position for 11 years and has responsibilities to coordinate the local FBI efforts in preventing, preparing for, and responding to WMD related events. SA Cassett currently works on the FBI’s Joint Terrorism Task Force and has previously served as a Special Agent Bomb Technician and the Team Leader for the FBI’s Hazardous Materials Response Team." | 22:29 |
| jonathan_ | thanks a lot Joe | 22:29 |
| jonathan_ | ""My name is Jeff Cassett. I am the Weapons of Mass Destruction Coordinator for the San Diego Division of the FBI. I wanted to take this opportunity to introduce myself to the group. How did you hear about us? The FBI is very interested in maintaining connectivity to DIY BIO groups across the country. I have been involved in numerous meetings and conferences with DIY BIO participants, as well as leading researchers, and industr | 22:30 |
| jonathan_ | members, in the field of synthetic biology. Glad to hear there is a group in San Diego. What sort of events do you expect from DIYbio San Diego? The FBI hosts an FBI/DIYBIO/Synthetic Biology symposium every year to exchange ideas and network with hobbyists and industry members. This year's event will be held in Mountain View, CA/Sunnyvale, CA, in early June. Please feel free to reach out to me if you want more info or have an | 22:30 |
| jonathan_ | items of concern. jeffrey.cassett@ic.fbi.gov "" | 22:30 |
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| yashgaroth | david brin apparently | 22:33 |
| jonathan_ | plus a nice assortment of JOURNALISTS | 22:34 |
| yashgaroth | wait do we need tickets to get in cuz I told like a dozen people to just show up | 22:34 |
| @kanzure | "early june" | 22:37 |
| @kanzure | was this last year? | 22:37 |
| yashgaroth | "The FBI host[ed]" | 22:37 |
| @kanzure | cause here's what they said http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/fbi-diybio-2012/ | 22:38 |
| jonathan_ | max did you finish the writeup ? | 22:38 |
| @kanzure | gradstudentbot: when are you going to finish writing the paper? | 22:38 |
| gradstudentbot | I coauthored a paper about that a few years ago. | 22:38 |
| yashgaroth | wut no | 22:39 |
| jonathan_ | dude write a paragraph already | 22:39 |
| jonathan_ | richard wants it tonight | 22:39 |
| @kanzure | "a whole paragraph!?" | 22:39 |
| jonathan_ | yea I know, complex huh | 22:39 |
| @kanzure | jonathan_: the secret to making a biologist do work is to write a bad paragraph, and then he will be angered enough to fix it | 22:39 |
| yashgaroth | every snide comment adds 15 minutes to my dicking-around time, but fine | 22:40 |
| jonathan_ | this liquid stuff goes in this tube and it does stuff and like makes stuff happen and then it goes out this other tube after it's like mutated and stuff and then like there's a beaker involved and suddenly data appears and the PI signs off on it or something | 22:40 |
| jonathan_ | i kinda wanna sleep ya know | 22:41 |
| yashgaroth | I'm typing | 22:41 |
| jonathan_ | was this last year? -> yea that quote may have been from last year | 22:41 |
| jonathan_ | and anyway the reason for fbi to host the conf is so they can.. drum roll.. say nothing and SPY on everyone else.. and duh.. worked pretty well for them eh | 22:42 |
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| gradstudentbot | Don't even ask how my research is going. | 22:45 |
| @kanzure | jonathan_: yeah but how else am i going to get NRA funding | 22:54 |
| @kanzure | gene guns gotta fall under 2a | 22:55 |
| @kanzure | fbi is a straight shot to the top of the NRA grant pile :p | 22:55 |
| jonathan_ | if ya cant beat em, join em. | 22:56 |
| jonathan_ | i rule | 23:13 |
| jonathan_ | paperbot pmid 18979556 | 23:14 |
| jonathan_ | paperbot http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18979556 | 23:15 |
| jonathan_ | poor paperbot | 23:15 |
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| jonathan_ | paperbot http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0928468011000034 | 23:33 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Hepatoprotective%20properties%20of%20kombucha%20tea%20against%20TBHP-induced%20oxidative%20stress%20via%20suppression%20of%20mitochondria%20dependent%20apoptosis.txt | 23:33 |
| jonathan_ | paperbot http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0269915X00800348 | 23:38 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag3/10.1016/S0269-915X%252800%252980034-8.pdf | 23:38 |
| jonathan_ | bad url The requested URL /scimag3/10.1016/S0269-915X%2800%2980034-8.pdf was not found on this server. | 23:38 |
| jonathan_ | suspect bad unicode | 23:38 |
| jonathan_ | paperbot http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0924224407002932 | 23:41 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag4/10.1016/j.tifs.2007.10.001.pdf | 23:41 |
| * jonathan_ dude what. | 23:42 | |
| jonathan_ | " Kombucha might be promising probiotics for consumption on the Moon | 23:42 |
| jonathan_ | Kozyrovska, Natalia; Foing, Bernard H. | 23:42 |
| jonathan_ | 38th COSPAR Scientific Assembly. Held 18-15 July 2010, in Bremen, Germany, p.3" | 23:42 |
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