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| heath | kanzure: is your copy of "molecular biology of the cell" 1.8gb? | 00:59 |
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| heath | the djvu is 63mb over here, but the pdf conversion made it 1.8gb | 01:00 |
| heath | paperbot: molecular biology of the cell | 01:00 |
| heath | do it | 01:00 |
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| @kanzure | beep boop | 07:19 |
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| @kanzure | "A Japanese startup called Spiber Inc. said it has produced an artificial spider thread that it claims is equal to steel in tensile strength yet as flexible as rubber. The company hopes to spin enough of the thread for mass production within two years, potentially opening the door to creating lighter but stronger auto parts, surgical materials and bulletproof vests. Spiber plans to produce one metric ton, or 2,205 pounds, of spider silk by ... | 08:33 |
| @kanzure | ... 2015. By November, it aims to triple its current monthly output to about 220 pounds. One promising venture was Montreal-based Nexia Biotechnologies, which engineered goats to produce milk containing spider's silk. The company, which raised $42.4 million in an initial public offering in 2000, folded in 2009 when it failed to make its research commercially viable. Since going public with its production technique last August, Spiber said it ... | 08:33 |
| @kanzure | ... has received more than a hundred requests to collaborate on projects. With a 750-million-yen ($7.6 million) investment from auto-parts maker Kojima Press Industry Co., Spiber broke ground on a prototype center and pilot plant in the northwest Japanese city of Tsuruoka earlier this month. But it will face competition from Germany's AMSilk GmbH, which says it plans to scale up lab production of the spider-silk fiber it calls Biosteel. Its ... | 08:34 |
| @kanzure | ... product also is made entirely from recombinant silk proteins that are processed via a spinning apparatus to recreate the structure of spider silk. Another competitor is Michigan-based Kraig Biocraft Laboratories Inc., which says it has genetically engineered silkworms that spin silk containing spider fiber. A small amount of spider protein can strengthen the normal silk produced by silkworms, it said." | 08:34 |
| ParahSailin | been hearing this shit for the last 20 years almost | 08:35 |
| gradstudentbot | Someone's sitting at my bench space. | 08:36 |
| @kanzure | spiber seems sorta new so i dunno how you would have heard that for 20 years. goats, sure, 20 years. silkworm too. | 08:37 |
| @kanzure | i guess they don't say what their technique is | 08:37 |
| @kanzure | how would you even know | 08:37 |
| ParahSailin | intuition | 08:39 |
| @kanzure | which technique do you predict they are using, then | 08:40 |
| ParahSailin | paperbot: http://dx.doi.org/10.1007/s00210-002-0577-3 | 08:41 |
| ParahSailin | whatever theyre doing to make silk proteins in macro amounts its not working | 08:44 |
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| @kanzure | "hackubator" | 10:19 |
| @kanzure | see, this is why we shouldn't let jojack out on his own | 10:19 |
| heathjs | http://ellingtonlab.org/blog/2012/11/09/on-apologetics/ | 10:31 |
| @kanzure | oh yeah he totally fucking hates biobricks | 10:32 |
| @kanzure | jonathan_: can vouch for that, i think | 10:32 |
| jonathan_ | biobricks are like arduino. it's an educational tool for high school kids. | 10:33 |
| jonathan_ | that's why he calls them "toys" | 10:33 |
| @kanzure | fwiw my time with him was fun and informative | 10:38 |
| @kanzure | "William also did his 3D Origami thang, but took it into new dimensions, so to speak, by examining the impact of DNA shape on cellular uptake" | 10:40 |
| @kanzure | hrm i didn't hear about that one | 10:40 |
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| ParahSailin | i dont think they'll solve the age-old spidroin production problem until "basic" molecular genetics are way ahead from where they are now | 10:45 |
| ParahSailin | like, maybe to the point of an hour to produce a 20kb circular plasmid from scratch | 10:46 |
| @kanzure | paperbot: http://dx.doi.org/10.1007/s00210-002-0577-3 | 10:51 |
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| @kanzure | oops sorry about that | 10:51 |
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| delinquentme | FUCK | 10:56 |
| delinquentme | fucking. | 10:56 |
| gradstudentbot | My parents keep asking when I'm going to finish. | 10:57 |
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| heathjs | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtHgIJ6kalk&feature=player_detailpage#t=3362s | 11:51 |
| heathjs | .title | 11:51 |
| yoleaux | Do You Want To Live Forever? - YouTube | 11:51 |
| gradstudentbot | I don't think my PI remembers me. | 11:51 |
| heathjs | title is misleading, it's the part of the video where richard miller and martin raff tear into aubrey | 11:52 |
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| ParahSailin | lol c++ | 12:23 |
| ParahSailin | i have the feeling that i should write my own version for when the boondoggle committee effort falls further behind schedule | 12:24 |
| ParahSailin | one of the guys was using some xml parsing library that required certain whitespace to parse correctly | 12:27 |
| ParahSailin | it didn't like the python xml.etree output, and i had to do xml.dom.minidom reparse and pretty output on that | 12:28 |
| @kanzure | you should use xml pull parser or xmlpp or something | 12:31 |
| ParahSailin | and why we using xml instead of json? for serialization to/from php of course | 12:31 |
| ParahSailin | presumably if there's xml in the php standard namespace, nobody can remember if it's camelCase or under_scores, so it's impossible to find in an array of 9001 items, so php wizards use xml instead | 12:33 |
| gradstudentbot | You don't happen to have any more virgin flies, do you? | 12:34 |
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| @kanzure | jrayhawk: do you remember if zotero translation-server had a wacky build system on their own fault, or was it because gecko has a wacky build system? | 13:41 |
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| jrayhawk_ | kanzure: IIRC they expected custom-patched binaries to be copied into the source directory, but I've already repressed most of what I learned from that experience. | 13:59 |
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| @kanzure | i just blew my mind up, i am collecting the pieces | 14:01 |
| @kanzure | this is extremely cool: | 14:01 |
| @kanzure | https://wiki.gnome.org/Seed | 14:01 |
| @kanzure | "Seed is a library and interpreter, dynamically bridging (through GObjectIntrospection) the WebKit JavaScriptCore engine, with the GNOME platform." | 14:01 |
| @kanzure | it uses JavaScriptCore in the outer context (like phantomjs does) | 14:01 |
| @kanzure | and then it can use webkit because there's webkitgtk+ gobject bindings | 14:02 |
| @kanzure | apparently all the node developers ignored it because "oh maybe it will be useful for GUIs" | 14:02 |
| @kanzure | https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/nodejs/OFfKXdIbzYk | 14:02 |
| @kanzure | the one downside that i see is that there's no require() implementation yet.. but it's only 100 or 200 lines of javascript to implement that. | 14:02 |
| @kanzure | so basically this should be compatible with all node modules | 14:03 |
| @kanzure | and node modules that use node-specific apis can be forced to work in seedjs using a trick similar to what substack did in browserify | 14:03 |
| @kanzure | https://git.gnome.org/browse/seed-examples/tree/ | 14:04 |
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| @kanzure | sudo apt-get install seed; git clone git://git.gnome.org/seed-examples; cd seed-examples; seed json-reddit.js | 14:15 |
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| @kanzure | nmz787: http://smokinghotcoffee.com/posts/fertilab-thinkubator-is-bringing-diy-bio-hacking-to-the-startup-community-in-eugene-or | 14:30 |
| @kanzure | people to stalk: Matt Beaudet, Shula Jaron & Jason Boone | 14:31 |
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| @kanzure | i think we know boone? | 14:31 |
| @kanzure | oh they seem to be mostly large, slowly-loaded "infographics".. nevermind. | 14:32 |
| @kanzure | i can't tell if they actually have equipment or not | 14:32 |
| @kanzure | also they don't seem to be an incubator. they charge membership fees. that's a coworking space, not an incubaotr. an incubator will usually fund you in exchange for equity or something. | 14:33 |
| @kanzure | man these guys are liars | 14:33 |
| heath | .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lV3Yhi9ib3Y | 14:34 |
| yoleaux | Nanotechnology: Moving Beyond Small Thinking, Chad Mirkin, Northwestern University - YouTube | 14:34 |
| heath | one of the better videos i've watched recently | 14:34 |
| @kanzure | that's not hard to beat, you've been watching terrible synbio marketing pitches on youtube for like 3 weeks now | 14:36 |
| heath | :) | 14:42 |
| nmz787 | what are revenue for public dna synthesis companies | 14:55 |
| @kanzure | well the market size is <$1B ish | 14:55 |
| @kanzure | by market size i mean revenue | 14:56 |
| @kanzure | well.. no. my numbers are 12 months old and shouldn't be trusted. | 14:56 |
| nmz787 | do you have a list that i could plow through lexisnexis with? | 14:58 |
| @kanzure | no, but i have a list of synthetic biology companies like: amyris, atg biosynthetics, blue heron, dna2.0, febit, geneart, ginkgo bioworks, genentech, ls9, sloning biotechnology, synthetic genomics, mr.gene, ambrx, codexis, complete genomics, halcyon molecular, solayzyme, navigenics, sequesco, pacific biosciences, raindance, kaiima biofuels, gevo, verdezyne, eureka genomics, genia, compete genomics | 15:00 |
| @kanzure | oops, those turned into dna sequencing companies | 15:00 |
| @kanzure | and the last one (compete) is a dupe of another (complete) | 15:01 |
| @kanzure | idtdna | 15:01 |
| @kanzure | hmm http://hg.mozilla.org/incubator/offscreen/ | 15:05 |
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| jrayhawk_ | paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1053811905002740 | 15:10 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag4/10.1016/j.neuroimage.2005.04.023.pdf | 15:10 |
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| nmz787 | kanzure: that web page is pretty uninforming | 15:21 |
| nmz787 | i guess i have to watch their video | 15:21 |
| nmz787 | i was actually planning to head down near Eugene this weekend | 15:21 |
| @kanzure | i didn't watch their video because it's video | 15:22 |
| @kanzure | since they don't explicitly say they have equipment, my guess is that they have none | 15:22 |
| @kanzure | plus, since they are wrong about their corporate structure (they are not an incubator), i don't have a lot of faith in these people | 15:23 |
| nmz787 | oh gosh, that video is an hour | 15:23 |
| @kanzure | haha | 15:24 |
| nmz787 | hmm, this almost sounds like they have stuff http://fertilabthinkubator.com/node/5 | 15:25 |
| nmz787 | says they offer chemistry | 15:25 |
| @kanzure | they are vague about what they actually have | 15:26 |
| @kanzure | and instead they have giant slowly-loading infographics | 15:26 |
| @kanzure | so my guess: they are boneheads | 15:26 |
| nmz787 | ok emailed them | 15:27 |
| nmz787 | yeah i couldn't copy paste their email addy | 15:27 |
| nmz787 | life tech guy there http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=76873282&authType=NAME_SEARCH&authToken=iC2r&locale=en_US&srchid=292975351373495306375&srchindex=1&srchtotal=8&trk=vsrp_people_res_name&trkInfo=VSRPsearchId%3A292975351373495306375%2CVSRPtargetId%3A76873282%2CVSRPcmpt%3Aprimary | 15:28 |
| nmz787 | 'Lead scientist for development of Qubit ' | 15:29 |
| nmz787 | http://www.google.com/patents/?vid=USPATD653981 | 15:30 |
| nmz787 | Fluorometer | 15:30 |
| nmz787 | assigned to life tech | 15:30 |
| @kanzure | is it still active? | 15:30 |
| nmz787 | hah, another of their ppl are from lifetech | 15:31 |
| nmz787 | http://www.linkedin.com/pub/shula-jaron/5/30b/aa2 | 15:31 |
| nmz787 | so they both have history or being managers | 15:32 |
| nmz787 | Jason Boone is VP at this place floragenex which is at PSBA http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=187630138&authType=NAME_SEARCH&authToken=dc2Q&locale=en_US&srchid=292975351373495566508&srchindex=2&srchtotal=218&trk=vsrp_people_res_name&trkInfo=VSRPsearchId%3A292975351373495566508%2CVSRPtargetId%3A187630138%2CVSRPcmpt%3Aprimary | 15:33 |
| nmz787 | but their tech doesn't look to flashy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restriction_site_associated_DNA_markers | 15:34 |
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| nmz787 | so neither the interviewers nor the fertilab people realize biocurious used kickstarter | 15:38 |
| nmz787 | 'it would have been ahead of their time' [to use kickstarter] | 15:38 |
| nmz787 | that was just around 13:30 into the video | 15:39 |
| nmz787 | another 50 mins left | 15:39 |
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| @kanzure | that's funny | 15:44 |
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| nmz787 | heath: why aren't you telling newbs about the diyhpl.us faq? | 16:00 |
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| heath | hrm? | 16:00 |
| nmz787 | on diybio | 16:02 |
| @kanzure | probably because of how embarrassed we are about it | 16:02 |
| @kanzure | it hasn't improved much in years | 16:02 |
| @kanzure | i think jonathan_ is literally the only person other than me who has ever cared | 16:02 |
| nmz787 | it improved last year | 16:02 |
| @kanzure | jonathan_: btw thanks for caring about the faq | 16:02 |
| nmz787 | wasn't klafka helping you parse emails to questions? | 16:02 |
| @kanzure | hey that's a good idea | 16:03 |
| nmz787 | ? | 16:03 |
| @kanzure | parsing questions from my email dump | 16:04 |
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| heath | nmz787: i haven't said anything on diybio in a long time, it's almost turned into an rss feed for me | 16:07 |
| heath | https://benchling.com/splash | 16:10 |
| heath | wow, images instead of text | 16:10 |
| heath | for the headers | 16:10 |
| nmz787 | heath, are you not the william heath that just posted something? | 16:12 |
| heath | nope | 16:12 |
| heath | heath matlock | 16:12 |
| nmz787 | ahh | 16:12 |
| nmz787 | well | 16:12 |
| @kanzure | yeah, i have the same opinion of benchling as i do of synbiota | 16:12 |
| nmz787 | sry! | 16:12 |
| @kanzure | https://synbiota.ca/welcome_page/welcome | 16:12 |
| heath | i'm aware of that page | 16:13 |
| @kanzure | haha now it's a social network | 16:13 |
| @kanzure | awful | 16:13 |
| @kanzure | "Access and edit DNA - the software of life, from any web browser using our desktop-class Open Source app" | 16:13 |
| @kanzure | hatred | 16:13 |
| heath | https://github.com/Synbiota/GENtle2 | 16:13 |
| @kanzure | there was this entire closed source component too. it was crazy. but why would i want to use a bad web ui on top of this? | 16:13 |
| @kanzure | it would be better if there was actually good non-ui software for editing genomes and stuff | 16:14 |
| heath | i don't think they are pursuing that idea anymore | 16:14 |
| @kanzure | instead of everyone focusing on making terrible user interfaces that don't work or aren't useful | 16:14 |
| @kanzure | it's like trying to make vectornti except worse | 16:14 |
| heath | benchling actually has funding, but the only email i found was for cory li through the whois of the site | 16:15 |
| heath | one of the two founders | 16:15 |
| nmz787 | i thought synbiota was all open | 16:15 |
| nmz787 | gentle2 is a nice start | 16:15 |
| @kanzure | nah there was some email where connor got really hostile iirc | 16:15 |
| nmz787 | i've used gentle a bunch, and ApE, but never vectornti | 16:16 |
| @kanzure | vectornti was this junk installed on all the lab computers at ut austin | 16:16 |
| heath | i don't mind sites like benchling if they open source their main tools and they use git for version control | 16:16 |
| @kanzure | it's actually used a lot, there's like 20,000 papers that cite using it | 16:16 |
| nmz787 | cool I am now a reviewer for the next open hardware summit talks! | 16:17 |
| @kanzure | heath: i'm not entirely sure if git is the correct option for genome version control. maybe fossil. dunno. but also, just because it's open source doesn't mean it's a good idea. | 16:17 |
| nmz787 | just got the first 4 papers to review | 16:17 |
| @kanzure | nmz787: me too, did windell ask you? | 16:17 |
| nmz787 | (talks) | 16:17 |
| nmz787 | yeah | 16:17 |
| @kanzure | that's sad. i was hoping it would be someone else. | 16:20 |
| @kanzure | is windell the only one asking people not in his immediate community? | 16:20 |
| nmz787 | "we need to move all of our equipment and furniture from its current home at the Broadway Commerce Center (44 West Broadway)" | 16:24 |
| @kanzure | guess they might have equipment | 16:24 |
| nmz787 | so fertilab used to be in the same bldg or maybeused space of floragenex | 16:24 |
| nmz787 | (one of the founder's company) | 16:24 |
| nmz787 | http://fertilabthinkubator.com/node/26 | 16:24 |
| nmz787 | 'News' | 16:24 |
| nmz787 | .title | 16:24 |
| yoleaux | Breaking news!!! We have a new home! | FertiLab | 16:24 |
| @kanzure | the /node/26 stuff means they are probably using drupal :( | 16:25 |
| @kanzure | yep.. http://fertilabthinkubator.com/README.txt | 16:25 |
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| nmz787 | homegirl wants fertilab to be the 'nexus' of startup in eugene | 16:25 |
| nmz787 | software hardware biotech everything | 16:25 |
| @kanzure | why is it startup-related? it's just another membership-fee lab. | 16:25 |
| nmz787 | it's really not any better than plaintext | 16:26 |
| @kanzure | incubators are usually those things that give you things in exchange for equity. sometimes payment.. but that would be a weird relationship ("you want our money and equity??") | 16:26 |
| nmz787 | they said they have some $ | 16:27 |
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| nmz787 | mentioned something about scholarships or something to come and try a startup in eugene | 16:27 |
| nmz787 | they have a vision to make it a GMO center of excellence, to test stuff for GMO | 16:31 |
| nmz787 | apparently countries are banning wheat from oregon | 16:32 |
| nmz787 | because some unallowed GMO strain was found growing somewhere it wasn't supposed to be | 16:33 |
| nmz787 | or somewhere it wasnt expected | 16:33 |
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| nmz787 | huh, so this biotech company was found violating animal rights http://www.aphis.usda.gov/foia/enforcement_actions/2012/August/Animal%20Welfare%20Act%20(AWA)/Complaints/CA07655-AC%20Santa%20Cruz%20Biotechnology%20Complaint_Redacted.pdf | 17:03 |
| nmz787 | 'in willful violation' is used several times there | 17:03 |
| gradstudentbot | The grant got rejected. | 17:06 |
| nmz787 | guess the company opened in 1991, and that pdf shows 5 years of violations | 17:07 |
| nmz787 | so i guess the law enforcement here sucks or they make enough to simply continue paying fines | 17:07 |
| nmz787 | which is weird, for things like a drivers license you can only have so many violations before they shut you down from driving | 17:08 |
| nmz787 | hmm, now the moral decision, should I cancel my order with this company because of this | 17:08 |
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| @kanzure | nmz787: heath is not william heath | 17:26 |
| @kanzure | nmz787: these are two completely different people | 17:26 |
| @kanzure | nmz787: william heath is xp_prg (you might remember him from the logs) | 17:26 |
| @kanzure | nmz787: our heath is ybit (the not-evil one) | 17:26 |
| @kanzure | check out the sort of bullshit that this other one spews, "The greatest amount of innovation in the history of mankind is happening at igem: http://igem.org/Main_Page" | 17:27 |
| @kanzure | who the hell thinks that | 17:27 |
| gradstudentbot | Oh man, that's a great scrabble word. I got to write that down. | 17:29 |
| delinquentme | sooooo | 17:29 |
| delinquentme | apparently sequencers .... | 17:30 |
| delinquentme | are breaking chromosomes arbitrarily | 17:30 |
| delinquentme | THEN sequencing | 17:30 |
| @kanzure | yes | 17:30 |
| @kanzure | even afm sequencing does that because you can't get 1 billion-long reads at a single time | 17:31 |
| @kanzure | also because you need the parallelism or else it would take forever | 17:31 |
| @kanzure | contigs, my friend.. | 17:31 |
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| nmz787 | well it appears sigma has the item for 2/3rd the price, so morally and logistically i can cancel that order | 17:36 |
| @kanzure | nmz787: just wanna make sure you're not confusing those two heaths | 17:51 |
| ParaSa1lin | heath richards was the best batman | 17:52 |
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| nmz787 | good thing i've only had them confused for a week or three | 18:57 |
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| delinquentme | but the thing is ... if it wernt arbitrarily chopped | 19:21 |
| delinquentme | it would have logic going IN | 19:21 |
| delinquentme | making assembly *way* cleaner | 19:21 |
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| ybit | you're welcome nmz787 | 19:40 |
| ybit | how's your microfluidics project coming along? | 19:42 |
| ybit | wait, i think that may have been wrldpc | 19:42 |
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| ybit | nope that's you | 19:45 |
| ybit | .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6zpEyDvdRA | 19:45 |
| yoleaux | Intro to DNA, DNA synthesis, and microfluidics (Nathan McCorkle) - YouTube | 19:45 |
| nmz787 | ybit: lol | 20:00 |
| nmz787 | ybit: slowly, i just watched a video on COMSOL and microfluidics earlier | 20:00 |
| nmz787 | ybit: gonna design one in autodesk inventor to show a local place who is willing to fab it for me | 20:01 |
| nmz787 | so figure i'll try to throw it into COMSOL as well | 20:01 |
| nmz787 | the video i watched earlier had a cool slide, showing diffusion times in different volumes from 1mm cube to 1 um cube... 1uL to 1 femtoliter | 20:02 |
| nmz787 | 500s ... 0.5ms | 20:02 |
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| nmz787 | so i shouldn't have to worry about mixers! | 20:02 |
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| nmz787 | huh, so Santa Cruz Biotech caused a stir when they bought a ranch years ago, well before the USDA violations were filed http://www.metroactive.com/papers/cruz/07.18.96/biofarm-9629.html | 20:22 |
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| nmz787 | 'Back Ranch Road' appears to be where they keep their goats... | 20:25 |
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| ParaSa1lin | all my goats make is poop | 20:30 |
| nmz787 | http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2013/01/18/18730443.php?show_comments=1 | 20:32 |
| nmz787 | .title | 20:32 |
| yoleaux | Federal Investigations Reveal Severe Neglect of Animals at Santa Cruz Biotechnology : Indybay | 20:32 |
| gradstudentbot | Where are the thermometers? | 20:32 |
| nmz787 | 'First-Ever Lawsuit Under California Cruelty Law Filed Against Animal Research Lab in Santa Cruz | 20:32 |
| nmz787 | ' | 20:32 |
| nmz787 | January 17, 2013 | 20:33 |
| nmz787 | http://www.gtweekly.com/index.php/santa-cruz-news/santa-cruz-local-news/4629-animal-welfare-questioned.html | 20:33 |
| nmz787 | .title | 20:33 |
| yoleaux | Animal Welfare Questioned | Santa Cruz Good Times | 20:33 |
| nmz787 | 13 MARCH 2013 | 20:33 |
| nmz787 | bad times in the Good Times... strange | 20:33 |
| nmz787 | ' It also has facilities in Dallas, Tex., Germany and Shanghai, China.' | 20:34 |
| nmz787 | 'According to a May 12 APHIS report from last year, an inspector identified a goat lying on its side bleating loudly, suffering from a severe case of pneumonia. It died in front of the inspector. In August of last year, an inspector reported a goat had such a low weigh that its ribs were protruding dramatically. When the inspector informed the company's staff, they did not provide treatment but were found later to have continued harvesting its blood. | 20:35 |
| nmz787 | well, maybe the goats were making antibodies for emaciating illness? | 20:35 |
| nmz787 | 'On Oct. 31, APHIS inspectors discovered a fully operational production site operated by Santa Cruz Biotechnology called H7, just nine miles away from the main ranch. The existence of the site, which APHIS reports say housed 841 goats, several of which were severely sick, was previously denied by Santa Cruz Biotechnology personnel.' | 20:35 |
| nmz787 | interesting | 20:36 |
| nmz787 | 'a goat lost 23 percent body weight due to an inability to eat properly after a rattlesnake bite to the face ' | 20:37 |
| nmz787 | i wonder if the bite was intentional though | 20:37 |
| nmz787 | http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/01/why-would-a-biotech-company-keep-a-secret-herd-of-goats/ | 20:37 |
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| nmz787 | dang they made it to Nature http://blogs.nature.com/news/2011/04/antibody_provider_investigated.html | 20:50 |
| nmz787 | "Budkie says the fines imposed by the USDA are so small theyre virtually meaningless, and that some companies lump the fines into the cost of doing business." | 20:51 |
| nmz787 | "The Animal Welfare Act, passed in 1966, includes regulations for the treatment of warm-blooded animals involved in research but excludes rats from the genus Rattus, and mice from the genus Mus." | 20:51 |
| nmz787 | unfortunately as we recently learned a mouse only has 1-2mL of blood and is short-lived so isn't good for antibody production | 20:52 |
| nmz787 | .wa rat blood volume | 20:52 |
| yoleaux | rat: maximum recorded blood mass (mass of blood as fraction of body mass): (data not available); Scientific name: Rattus | 20:53 |
| nmz787 | pfft | 20:53 |
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| Burninate | .wa guinea pig blood volume | 21:02 |
| yoleaux | guinea pig: maximum recorded blood mass (mass of blood as fraction of body mass): (data not available); Scientific name: Cavia porcellus | 21:02 |
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| Burninate | .wa pig blood volume | 21:02 |
| yoleaux | domestic pig: maximum recorded blood mass (mass of blood as fraction of body mass): (2.3 to 8.7)%; Scientific name: Sus domestica | 21:02 |
| Burninate | also http://xkcd.com/434/ | 21:03 |
| Burninate | oh | 21:05 |
| Burninate | nmz787 You didn't finish the paste | 21:05 |
| Burninate | "Excluded from the Act are birds, rats of the genus Rattus (laboratory rats), mice of the genus Mus (laboratory mice), farm animals, and all cold-blooded animals.[3]" | 21:06 |
| Burninate | Pigs are farm animals. | 21:06 |
| Burninate | and have significant biological compatibility with humans | 21:07 |
| Burninate | why on Earth would you use goats? | 21:09 |
| Burninate | with dere cuuuue widdwe faces | 21:10 |
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| ParaSa1lin | maybe pigs are dangerous for that sort of thing | 21:22 |
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| ParaSa1lin | or maybe nobody wants to deal with pig shit | 21:28 |
| ParaSa1lin | nobody ever got mauled to death and eaten after slipping in a sheep pen | 21:30 |
| @kanzure | delinquentme: sequencing by short fragments isn't that big of a problem. this is why alignment exists. | 21:31 |
| @kanzure | ParahSailin: man we really have to get on that antibody gravy train. | 21:34 |
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| jonathan_ | sb6 stream? | 21:36 |
| ParaSa1lin | i think it would be somewhat difficult to verify the functional activity of avastin | 21:36 |
| @kanzure | that was yesterday | 21:36 |
| ParaSa1lin | paperbot, http://dx.doi.org/10.1002/anie.201302577 | 21:38 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag5/10.1002/anie.201302577.pdf | 21:38 |
| jonathan_ | so no sb6? is that it :-( | 21:41 |
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| nmz787 | paperbot: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/store/10.1002/anie.201302577/asset/201302577_ftp.pdf?v=1&t=hievp0s2&s=5cc03fa2279c49bc5a56780508c4c5d3968d9b71 | 22:25 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag5/10.1002/anie.201302577.pdf | 22:25 |
| nmz787 | bitchin | 22:26 |
| nmz787 | ParaSa1lin: so you added some crazy stuff to paper bot? using that russian site? | 22:28 |
| ParaSa1lin | indeed | 22:29 |
| nmz787 | does it use a proxy? | 22:31 |
| nmz787 | i wasn't able to use that russian site, and have since forgotten it's name | 22:31 |
| ParaSa1lin | kanzure negotiated with sci-hub owner for limited access | 22:31 |
| nmz787 | ooooo | 22:32 |
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